Several Killed in Terrorist attack in Eilat in Israel

The Saint

Several people were killed and at least 15 people were hurt on Thursday in a series of terrorist attacks on Israeli targets near the southern city of Eilat.

The first attack, at around 12 P.M., was a shooting from a vehicle on Egged bus 392 traveling from Beer Sheva to Eilat, near the community of Netafim. Ten passengers on board the bus sustained light to moderate injuries.

Shortly after the bus attack, IDF forces engaged in a shootout with the armed men near the scene of incident. Moreover, a second shooting attack took place in which five people were seriously wounded. In addition to the shooting attacks, mortars were fired from the Egyptian border and a bomb was set off on an Israeli army vehicle.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/several-dead-in-series-of-terrorist-attacks-in-southern-israel-1.379309

Also mortars fired from the Sinai.

The story is still developing.

RIP to those killed and a speedy recovery to those injured. Hopefully those responsible will be brought to justice.

It will be interesting to see who is responsible for these attacks and the response. Hopefully it is an isolated incident.

wes

Just read about it there myself. Terrible crime indeed. Hopefully, things don't escalate.

BlaasForRafa

Apparently some of the terrorists were killed in a shootout with the IDF. We'll see if any of them can be identified and if they belong to any organisation, it dosen't really fit Hamas's m.o though.

Madd Finn

Were all of the fatalities on the Arab/Palestinian/Insurgent/freedom fighter/terrorist/guerilla/Islamist side?

One report says that nobody on the bus which was the target of the original attack was killed.

Fr Tod Umptious

Madd Finn wrote: »

Were all of the fatalities on the Arab/Palestinian/Insurgent/freedom fighter/terrorist/guerilla/Islamist side?

One report says that nobody on the bus which was the target of the original attack was killed.

According to RTE 14 are dead, 7 on the bus(s) and 7 killed by the IDF.

Good to see the IDF take out these murdering scum.

[MOD]Celebration of violence, flame bait, use of 'scum' - banned for a week.[/MOD]

BlaasForRafa

Madd Finn wrote: »

Were all of the fatalities on the Arab/Palestinian/Insurgent/freedom fighter/terrorist/guerilla/Islamist side?

One report says that nobody on the bus which was the target of the original attack was killed.

Details are still rather unclear but it seems like most of the Israeli deaths came when an anti-tank missle was fired at a civilian vehicle near Eilat. At least 6 of the terrorists involved in this attack were killed by the IDF.

An airstrike on the house of the leader of the Popular Resistance Committee, a rogue element of fatah, killed at least 6 people.

It seems like Hamas weren't involved but one of their senior spokesmen praised the attack in comments to Al-Jazeera ( it attacked [Israeli] soldiers and came in the right time while Israel is attacking Gaza almost every day)...strange how all those killed were civilians then...

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/08/201181893519247218.html

SamHarris

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

It seems like Hamas weren't involved but one of their senior spokesmen praised the attack in comments to Al-Jazeera ( it attacked [Israeli] soldiers and came in the right time while Israel is attacking Gaza almost every day)...strange how all those killed were civilians then...

Im confused by this comment, could you clarify please?

ragg

So, this happens and Israel bombs Gaza? Animals. When will the international community take a stand against this barbaric nation

SamHarris

ragg wrote: »

So, this happens and Israel bombs Gaza? Animals. When will the international community take a stand against this barbaric nation

Just pointing out they bombed the home of the leader of the organistation that took responsibility for the attack. According to the group he was killed. Not always for hitting Gaza, but very clearly an attack on a nations troops demands a response.

Does anyone know Hamas' postion towards the group? Were they attempting to arrest/quell them or was there support in the same fashion that the Taliban had for al Qaeda? If it were a normal situation Hamas police would and should have dealt with it alone. It is not.

Also,the international community is chock full of cowrds if the US does not lead them, usually kicking and screaming, in a particular direction. When one fo the major powers stand against something, particularly the States, nothing happens or will.

BlaasForRafa

SamHarris wrote: »

Im confused by this comment, could you clarify please?

Ok I'll try and clarify it.

1. Hamas were not directly involved (at least from the information to date)
2. Hamas did not condemn the terrorist action
3. Hamas actually praised the terrorist action claiming it was a strike against the Israeli defence force.
4. Although some soldiers were wounded, all the Israelis killed were civilians which makes Hamas's comments utterly cynical.

BlaasForRafa

ragg wrote: »

So, this happens and Israel bombs Gaza? Animals. When will the international community take a stand against this barbaric nation

Talk about getting the wrong end of the stick....

As I already posted the attacks were organised by a rogue terrorist organisaion based in Gaza. Israel targeted and destroyed their headquarters. I'd suggest you get the facts next time before jumping aboard the outrage train.

The Saint

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

4. Although some soldiers were wounded, all the Israelis killed were civilians which makes Hamas's comments utterly cynical.

As far as I'm aware, there was one soldier among the casualties who was killed during a gun battle with the attackers.

As for Hamas, it wouldn't be like them to take a cynical line on anything. :rolleyes:

arybvtcw0eolkf

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

4. Although some soldiers were wounded, all the Israelis killed were civilians which makes Hamas's comments utterly cynical.

It's probably worth remembering that Hamas and many Palestinians, and people in the Arab world consider Israeli's of military age as military targets.

Kev_ps3

Not surprising.

JustinDee

Brennan Obedient Sarsaparilla wrote: »

It's probably worth remembering that Hamas and many Palestinians, and people in the Arab world consider Israeli's of military age as military targets.

Some indeed might. Thats how warped their 'strategists' tend to think.

FTA69

Brennan Obedient Sarsaparilla wrote: »

It's probably worth remembering that Hamas and many Palestinians, and people in the Arab world consider Israeli's of military age as military targets.

Perhaps because they are military reservists.

BlaasForRafa

The Saint wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, there was one soldier among the casualties who was killed during a gun battle with the attackers.

As for Hamas, it wouldn't be like them to take a cynical line on anything. :rolleyes:

At the time I posted the details were fairly sketchy and no IDF casualties were reported. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/10-rockets-strike-israel-day-after-coordinated-terror-attacks-kill-8-1.379518 has a good summary of what happened, it looks like one Israeli casualty was from the army and one from the border police, the rest of the deaths were civilian including the driver of a bus who was killed by a suicide bomber.

There probably would have been many more deaths if the driver of the first bus hadn't reacted by putting his foot hard on the accelerator and fleeing the scene of the ambush. There were some female soldiers on that bus, if one had been killed or captured it would have set off a chain of events that would have possibly led to another war in Gaza, these are the kind of stakes that these terrorists are playing with.

SamHarris

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Ok I'll try and clarify it.

1. Hamas were not directly involved (at least from the information to date)
2. Hamas did not condemn the terrorist action
3. Hamas actually praised the terrorist action claiming it was a strike against the Israeli defence force.
4. Although some soldiers were wounded, all the Israelis killed were civilians which makes Hamas's comments utterly cynical.

Ah thanks. Second.

It seems to me a situation not unlike in north western Pakistan - the government fails to secure its own borders, fails to live up to its international obligations concerning splinter groups in every way and then act appaled when another nation, one who has been damged directly by their negligence, takes the matter into their own hands.

I would say, however, that in the case of Hamas they may be far more willing and capable of dealing with matters like this with some give and take from Israel. How much either side is willing to do that is pretty damn clear though.

BlaasForRafa

FTA69 wrote: »

Perhaps because they are military reservists.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/two-sisters-and-their-husbands-among-victims-of-terror-attacks-in-south-israel-1.379561

5 of those killed in the ambush were in their mid-50's, well past the age military service so I reject your assertion. The terrorists were killing for the sake of killing, as long as they were Israeli it didn't matter who they were or what age they were.

humanji

Is there any truth to the claim that there had been attacks going on for the previous 5 days? I read it online, but it was a comment on an news article. So I don't know if it was just someone mouthing off, or if there's aspects that aren't being reported.

FTA69

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/two-sisters-and-their-husbands-among-victims-of-terror-attacks-in-south-israel-1.379561

5 of those killed in the ambush were in their mid-50's, well past the age military service so I reject your assertion. The terrorists were killing for the sake of killing, as long as they were Israeli it didn't matter who they were or what age they were.

Hold on a second here chief, my comment was in response to Makikomi's i.e. militants view Israelis of military-age to be targets, they do so because Israelis of military age are in fact military reservists. I never commented on the justification or lack of justification of this attack.

caseyann

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Talk about getting the wrong end of the stick....

As I already posted the attacks were organised by a rogue terrorist organisaion based in Gaza. Israel targeted and destroyed their headquarters. I'd suggest you get the facts next time before jumping aboard the outrage train.

So a nine year old boy was acceptable death? In their retaliation.
Imagine if all countries reacted like that back.Lets say like USA did in Hiroshima.:rolleyes:

SamHarris

caseyann wrote: »

So a nine year old boy was acceptable death? In their retaliation.
Imagine if all countries reacted like that back.Lets say like USA did in Hiroshima.:rolleyes:

Oh here we go with this again.

Tell us exactly what country involved in world war 2 you believe would not have used the bomb had they gotten it first?

Lets not let this threads be hijacked so early by the same sanctimonious post's which "contribution"s boil down to "I think killing is bad. I dont think people should kill each other, disagree with me I dare you!"

If you wish to engage in a debate, propose other methods of dealing with the issue, apportion blame in a logical fashion and show why you believe it should be distributed as such, explain what you think should be done in the future and why.

You are not impressing anyone with your impeccable morals or political nuance when this is all you have to say, develop your point.

Why is there not a minimum standard for posts?

Molloys Clondalkin

So just to set the record straight,
The palestinians have launched 4 attacks in Israel killing 8 Israelis.
And the UN fail to condem.
Israel responds by attacking military targets and kills top terrorists
Hamas says its a massacare while they fire over 30 rockets indiscriminatly into Israel in one day.
now hamas says the lull is over.

So its clear to see its the Palestians who started this salvo of violence which Im sure everyone will agree will spiral out of control.

The Saint

Molloys Clondalkin wrote: »

So just to set the record straight,
The palestinians have launched 4 attacks in Israel killing 8 Israelis.
And the UN fail to condem.
Israel responds by attacking military targets and kills top terrorists
Hamas says its a massacare while they fire over 30 rockets indiscriminatly into Israel in one day.
now hamas says the lull is over.

So its clear to see its the Palestians who started this salvo of violence which Im sure everyone will agree will spiral out of control.

If you are going to set the record straight you should at least do so accurately.

18 August 2011 – Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has strongly condemned today’s series of coordinated terrorist attacks in southern Israel that have killed at least six people and injured many more.
Media reports say gunmen fired at a bus travelling close to the Israeli-Egyptian border, around noon local time, and that two other vehicles in the same area were subsequently hit by either rocket fire or an explosive device.

In a statement issued by his spokesperson, Mr. Ban offered his condolences to the families of the victims and wished a speedy recovery to the injured in the attacks.

“The Secretary-General hopes that the perpetrators are swiftly identified and brought to justice,” the statement noted. “He is concerned at the risk of escalation and calls for all to act with restraint.”

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39328&Cr=Israel&Cr1=

Also, I have yet to see reports of the rockets from Gaza being fired from Gaza. While Hamas are thundering ****s, I don't think they have stated that they have fired those rockets. It is not in their interests to do this. Most rockets from Gaza tend to be fired by Islamic Jihad.

anymore

caseyann wrote: »

So a nine year old boy was acceptable death? In their retaliation.
Imagine if all countries reacted like that back.Lets say like USA did in Hiroshima.:rolleyes:

You appear to miss the point of Hiroshima etc, these bombings brought the war to an end and have ensured more than 65 years of peace in Japan.

cyberhog

IDF kills 14 in Gaza, Hamas renounces ceasefire

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Israeli warplanes killed three Palestinians in an airstrike in central Gaza City late Friday, medics said, raising the death toll to 14 in the coastal enclave since a deadly attack in southern Israel on Thursday.

The latest strike hit a civilian car killing three people from the same family including a 5-year-old boy and a doctor, Gaza medical official Adham Abu Salmiya said, adding that three others were wounded.

...

On Friday evening, Hamas' armed wing the Al-Qassam Brigades called off a ceasefire with Israel and urged factions in Gaza to respond to Israeli attacks, Al-Aqsa Radio reported.

"There can be no truce with the Israeli occupation while it commits massacres against the Palestinian people without justification," a representative of the militant group was quoted as saying.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=414545

Crazy Horse 6

You reap what you sow and all that.

BlaasForRafa

caseyann wrote: »

So a nine year old boy was acceptable death? In their retaliation.
Imagine if all countries reacted like that back.Lets say like USA did in Hiroshima.:rolleyes:

The IDF killed the leadership group of the terrorist who attacked it, the leaders MUST have known that Israel would retaliate. They are the ones who put the nine your old boy in danger, they are responsible for his death and any other deaths. Try and think a bit before jumping on the outrage train.

BlaasForRafa

The Saint wrote: »

If you are going to set the record straight you should at least do so accurately.


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39328&Cr=Israel&Cr1=

Also, I have yet to see reports of the rockets from Gaza being fired from Gaza. While Hamas are thundering ****s, I don't think they have stated that they have fired those rockets. It is not in their interests to do this. Most rockets from Gaza tend to be fired by Islamic Jihad.

A rocket hit an industrial park on the outskirts of Ashkelon injuring 6. Another rocket was shot down over Ashkelon by the Iron Dome security system. A grad rocket severely injured 3 in Ashdod, ironically it seems they were illegal palestinian workers which just shows how indiscriminate the rockets are, that they end up hurting their own people.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/rockets-hit-southern-israel-three-palestinian-workers-wounded-1.379635

Islamic Jihad have been responsible up to now but Hamas should have been doing more to stop them since they are the authority in Gaza.

Molloys Clondalkin

The Saint wrote: »

If you are going to set the record straight you should at least do so accurately.

I did and I suggest you do the same Ban Ki Moon's assistans making a statement is not the UN

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4111245,00.html

Lebanon prevents UN condemnation of terror attack


Security Council member Lebanon thwarts condemnation of Thursday’s terror offensive that left eight Israelis dead; UN envoy Prosor: Lebanon itself a terror state, UN blind and deaf in face of anti-Israel terror

Molloys Clondalkin

The Saint wrote: »

Also, I have yet to see reports of the rockets from Gaza being fired from Gaza. While Hamas are thundering ****s, I don't think they have stated that they have fired those rockets. It is not in their interests to do this. Most rockets from Gaza tend to be fired by Islamic Jihad.

Altogether, terrorists fired 17 rockets and a number of mortar shells at Israel on Friday. No injuries or damage were reported

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4111223,00.html

Try reading the news from the middle east there's plenty of reports.

Gaza militants fired several rockets at Israel Saturday morning. The fire followed a declaration by the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades – Hamas' military wing – saying that its armistice with Israel was over.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4111254,00.html

The Saint

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

A rocket hit an industrial park on the outskirts of Ashkelon injuring 6. Another rocket was shot down over Ashkelon by the Iron Dome security system. A grad rocket severely injured 3 in Ashdod, ironically it seems they were illegal palestinian workers which just shows how indiscriminate the rockets are, that they end up hurting their own people.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/rockets-hit-southern-israel-three-palestinian-workers-wounded-1.379635

Islamic Jihad have been responsible up to now but Hamas should have been doing more to stop them since they are the authority in Gaza.

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant I hadn't heard of Hamas firing any rockets from Gaza.

Of course Hamas should be doing whatever it can to stop indiscriminate rocket fire from Gaza, as Richard Goldstone stated it is a war crime and a possible crime against humanity, but I am sure there are internal power political considerations that might have a bearing on the veracity of them doing so. It is after all not in their interest to have rockets fire from Gaza either.

The Saint

Molloys Clondalkin wrote: »

Altogether, terrorists fired 17 rockets and a number of mortar shells at Israel on Friday. No injuries or damage were reported

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4111223,00.html

Try reading the news from the middle east there's plenty of reports.

Gaza militants fired several rockets at Israel Saturday morning. The fire followed a declaration by the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades – Hamas' military wing – saying that its armistice with Israel was over.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4111254,00.html

See correction in my previous post.

The Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades might have declared an end to their ceasefire but as it states in the article you posted it was the Popular Committees and Islamic Jihad that took responsibility for the rocket attacks you cite. It does not negate what I previously stated.

BTW I do read the press from the Middle East every day as a necessity.

The Saint

Molloys Clondalkin wrote: »

The Saint wrote: »

If you are going to set the record straight you should at least do so accurately.

I did and I suggest you do the same Ban Ki Moon's assistans making a statement is not the UN

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4111245,00.html

Lebanon prevents UN condemnation of terror attack


Security Council member Lebanon thwarts condemnation of Thursday’s terror offensive that left eight Israelis dead; UN envoy Prosor: Lebanon itself a terror state, UN blind and deaf in face of anti-Israel terror

Um, you are stating that the Secretary General of the entire UN structure does not represent the UN but one highly politicised organ of it does, particularly since one temporary member, wrongly in my opinion, scuppered a condemnation of the attacks. By that logic Lebanon is the spokesperson for the UN.

The secretary general is the spokesperson for the UN the Security Council is not.

Molloys Clondalkin

That would be like Enda Kenny saying he condems it and the Fine Gael party not condeming it. Its 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
Its still fair to say the UN did not condem it, its typical to see a security council comdenation of something like this and thats not happening.

The Saint

Molloys Clondalkin wrote: »

That would be like Enda Kenny saying he condems it and the Fine Gael party not condeming it. Its 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
Its still fair to say the UN did not condem it, its typical to see a security council comdenation of something like this and thats not happening.

No it wouldn't. Your analogy is rubbish. The Secretary General is not the leader of the Security Council, he is the head of the Secretariat, the largest organ of the UN dealing with its day-to-day running.

The Security Council is probably the least representative organ of the UN. Case in point is that it took one non-permanent member to stop a condemnation.

Furthermore, by your logic, if the Security Council represents the UN it must the most pro-Israel body given the number of resolutions vetoed by the US against it.

Monty Burnz

JustinDee wrote: »

Some indeed might. Thats how warped their 'strategists' tend to think.

Aren't all Israelis of military age reservists in fact (aside from the ultra-orthodox folk)?

Edit: ah, I see this is addressed elsewhere.

Monty Burnz

Molloys Clondalkin wrote: »

So just to set the record straight,
The palestinians have launched 4 attacks in Israel killing 8 Israelis.
And the UN fail to condem.

Why would what the UN says have any bearing on Israel? When did Israel start giving a toss about the UN, or world opinion?

Molloys Clondalkin

The Security Council is probably the least representative organ of the UN. Case in point is that it took one non-permanent member to stop a condemnation.

Furthermore, by your logic, if the Security Council represents the UN it must the most pro-Israel body given the number of resolutions vetoed by the US against it.


Fair enough my ignorance of the Un has been brought to attention.

Son Of A Vidic

As long as Gaza remains the worlds largest open prison, the motivation to carry out these attacks will always remain. It's long past the time to treat the disease, rather than just the symptoms of it.

anymore

So where are Ireland's self appointed 'Humanitarians' on this issue ? pat Lane, David Norris, Michael D Higgins etc.........

slimjimmc

Molloys Clondalkin wrote: »

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4111245,00.html

Lebanon prevents UN condemnation of terror attack


Security Council member Lebanon thwarts condemnation of Thursday’s terror offensive that left eight Israelis dead; UN envoy Prosor: Lebanon itself a terror state, UN blind and deaf in face of anti-Israel terror

Just for a bit of balance (I'm definitely not taking any side here)...
US blind and deaf in face of Israeli terror (including "the killing by Israeli forces of several UN employees and the destruction of the World Food Programme (WFP) warehouse" in 2002).
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

It's not unusual for members to use their veto in an inappropriate (imo) manner, so it shouldn't be a surprise if someone used it even in this instance.
All acts of terrorism from whatever source should be universally condemned by all Security Council members, unfortunately politics often gets in the way of morals.

anymore

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

As long as Gaza remains the worlds largest open prison, the motivation to carry out these attacks will always remain. It's long past the time to treat the disease, rather than just the symptoms of it.

Wish I could afford to stay in this five statr open prison !
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/06/al-mashtal-hotel-gaza-strip_n_920101.html
AL-SOUDANIA, Gaza Strip -- The Gaza Strip's first five-star hotel gleams with marble floors, five luxury restaurants and a breezy cafe overlooking the territory's white sandy beaches and sparkling blue Mediterranean Sea. The only thing missing are guests.
Nearly all of the newly opened hotel's 222 rooms, decked out with ornate metal-worked lamps, flat screen televisions, oversized beds and sea views, sit empty. The tourists whom the developers expected to flood to Gaza when they launched the project 13 years ago are nowhere to be seen. Local residents, most of them living in poverty, can only dream of staying in the gleaming complex.
:

Nodin

anymore wrote: »

Wish I could afford to stay in this five statr open prison !
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/06/al-mashtal-hotel-gaza-strip_n_920101.html
AL-SOUDANIA, Gaza Strip -- The Gaza Strip's first five-star hotel gleams with marble floors, five luxury restaurants and a breezy cafe overlooking the territory's white sandy beaches and sparkling blue Mediterranean Sea. The only thing missing are guests.
Nearly all of the newly opened hotel's 222 rooms, decked out with ornate metal-worked lamps, flat screen televisions, oversized beds and sea views, sit empty. The tourists whom the developers expected to flood to Gaza when they launched the project 13 years ago are nowhere to be seen. Local residents, most of them living in poverty, can only dream of staying in the gleaming complex.
:

I bolded the relevant part.

anymore

Nodin wrote: »

I bolded the relevant part.

There is a reason why I included that particular section - apart from the fact I try to be fair most of the time.

caseyann

SamHarris wrote: »

Oh here we go with this again.

Tell us exactly what country involved in world war 2 you believe would not have used the bomb had they gotten it first?

Lets not let this threads be hijacked so early by the same sanctimonious post's which "contribution"s boil down to "I think killing is bad. I dont think people should kill each other, disagree with me I dare you!"

If you wish to engage in a debate, propose other methods of dealing with the issue, apportion blame in a logical fashion and show why you believe it should be distributed as such, explain what you think should be done in the future and why.

You are not impressing anyone with your impeccable morals or political nuance when this is all you have to say, develop your point.

Why is there not a minimum standard for posts?

Excuse me? :rolleyes: nothing to add to that post as typical.

anymore wrote: »

You appear to miss the point of Hiroshima etc, these bombings brought the war to an end and have ensured more than 65 years of peace in Japan.

I missed no point of it and was blatant murder which is still having effects now.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

The IDF killed the leadership group of the terrorist who attacked it, the leaders MUST have known that Israel would retaliate. They are the ones who put the nine your old boy in danger, they are responsible for his death and any other deaths. Try and think a bit before jumping on the outrage train.

Rubbish and still no excuse.
Israel and the other powers that be such a Britain in its time all nothing more than war criminals.But they get away with it and Irish and people in gaza along with any nation that is deprived of rights and their lives and are treated like dirt are the terrorists typical bull****.

BlaasForRafa

caseyann wrote: »

Rubbish and still no excuse.
Israel and the other powers that be such a Britain in its time all nothing more than war criminals.But they get away with it and Irish and people in gaza along with any nation that is deprived of rights and their lives and are treated like dirt are the terrorists typical bull****.

You just don't seem to have a clue. All you have bouncing around the inside of your skull is "Israel is evil, Israel is evil" and you don't even attempt to look at their side of the equation. I note that you haven't said anything to condemn the killing of 5 Israeli civilians by the PRC terrorists.

SamHarris

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You just don't seem to have a clue. All you have bouncing around the inside of your skull is "Israel is evil, Israel is evil" and you don't even attempt to look at their side of the equation. I note that you haven't said anything to condemn the killing of 5 Israeli civilians by the PRC terrorists.

No dont you see she addressed that, bad things happen in Gaza therefore they CANT be terrorists? The argument is probably too nuanced for you.

Apparantly if its a side that Casey does not like it's "blatant murder" like the bombing of Hiroshima or the attacks on Gaza militants. but you see if it is done by the other side continually it is just them defending themselves. Or can just be ignored. Whichever is more conventiant. It is important for the people that Casey does not like not to retaliate in any way to help end the suffering of their own peoples. That would be just ... bad.

caseyann

SamHarris wrote: »

No dont you see she addressed that, bad things happen in Gaza therefore they CANT be terrorists? The argument is probably too nuanced for you.

Apparantly if its a side that Casey does not like it's "blatant murder" like the bombing of Hiroshima or the attacks on Gaza militants. but you see if it is done by the other side continually it is just them defending themselves. Or can just be ignored. Whichever is more conventiant. It is important for the people that Casey does not like not to retaliate in any way to help end the suffering of their own peoples. That would be just ... bad.

Oh they suffer so bad lmao please you have some beer goggles on there.

Fred Cohen

It seems some of those killed by the IDF were 5 Egyptian Policemen and the Egyptians are none to pleased about it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14602710

They have withdrawn their ambassador by all accounts.