France & Germany

mightysurveyor

Can anyone tell me what is the deal with France & Germany? They seem to calling the shots all over town now.

Someone seriously needs to b itch slap Sarkozy and Merkel before they're goosestepping down O Connell street hand in hand.

Biggins

lol

prinz

Volunteering to do the slapping yourself OP? Go on, I dare ya!

Toby Take a Bow

Ah, they've always been calling the shots. They just don't really care whether it's so blatant now.

mightysurveyor

prinz wrote: »

Volunteering to do the slapping yourself OP? Go on, I dare ya!

No problem, I'll open hand b itch slap any Frenchman on any given day and preferably Thierry Henry first

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mightysurveyor wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what is the deal with France & Germany? They seem to calling the shots all over town now.

Someone seriously needs to b itch slap Sarkozy and Merkel before they're goosestepping down O Connell street hand in hand.

I believe it's called "trade and financial discipline" according to RTDH. Feckers. And here were we thinking wrecklessness, financial and political corruptin and personal greed were the way forward

orourkeda

Nicholas Sarkozy thinks he's Napoleon. Little scut needs a good kick in the bollix.

Sykk

mightysurveyor wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what is the deal with France & Germany? They seem to calling the shots all over town now.

If you don't know the reasons behind this then you should go back into your cave, where have you been in the last 3 years?!

Fratton Fred

Germany wants to rule europe, France will side with whoever they think will be the eventual winners.

Have we learnt nothing from history.

Maybe Sarkozy will move the government to Vichy?

Magic Beans

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

prinz

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Germany wants to rule europe, France will side with whoever they think will be the eventual winners.
Have we learnt nothing from history.

We learnt that while the Brits concerned themselves over who 'ruled Europe' they had no problems whatsoever establishing the biggest empire the planet has seen over the rest of the planet. Will we let the Germans rule Gibraltar I wonder..

bullpost

Time to get the yanks in..............oh wait.................

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Germany wants to rule europe, France will side with whoever they think will be the eventual winners.

Have we learnt nothing from history.

Maybe Sarkozy will move the government to Vichy?

Agricola

Dear Herr MightySurveyor,

Vee are sad to hear of your feelings toward the Supreme Franco/German Alliance. Vee vould like to assure you und all you other little Irish pixie heads, zat ze continued prosperity of all nations in the European Union iz our only goal. Vee certainly av no interest in the invasion of sovereign states.....at zis moment.

'owever, if you vould like to continue to receive your ample und generous social welfare payment, vee vould encourage you to SHUT UP ZIS INSTANT OR VEE VILL BE FORCED TO TAKE STRINGENT MEASURES. YOU MUST COMPLY, YOU VILL COMPLY!

Yours,

Frau A. Merkel

Dangerous Man

I for one don't welcome our new Franco-German facist overlords and insist that we tell them to politely fuken ze off.

conorhal

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Germany wants to rule europe, France will side with whoever they think will be the eventual winners.

Have we learnt nothing from history.

Maybe Sarkozy will move the government to Vichy?

Well he's already moved it to the French speaking end of Belgium (which we all know isn’t really a country anyway)

DoubleBogey

The funny thing is they already have Bern b itch slapped. Every time they go on one of their dirty weekends and plot their domination over pillow talk, they come back and make their big announcement, only for the markets to turn around and kick them in the bollix. Every announcement they make knocks billions off the markets. It's the biggest b itch slap a political leader can get. The markets are the wisdom of crowds. They are our voice and what they're saying is nobody gives a flying fcuk what you b'tches have to say. Not only that, but we think you're a pair of fcuk wits.

Bring on the demise and get us out of this joke they call the Euro.

pragmatic1

I'm going to vote against anything that they proposed. Fcuk Europe.

DoubleBogey

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I'm going to vote against anything that they proposed. Fcuk Europe.

And make sure you stick to your guns and vote against it the 2nd time round.

Richard tea

And the 3rd time

Dont panic because a yes to lisbon is a yes to jobs:pac::pac::pac::P:pac::pac::pac:

pablomakaveli

A Franco-German empire eh. They'll probably invade poland and then surrender when they fight back.

Sykk

pablomakaveli wrote: »

A Franco-German empire

That sounds like it could be a newly opened Chinese restaraunt in Ballybrack.

mightysurveyor

Sykk wrote: »

That sounds like it could be a newly opened Chinese restaraunt in Ballybrack.

Where yore ma works?

inmyday

mightysurveyor wrote: »

No problem, I'll open hand b itch slap any Frenchman on any given day and preferably Thierry Henry first

You must be the biggest hard man on boards.ie.

You sound like a complete tosser!

Fratton Fred

prinz wrote: »

We learnt that while the Brits concerned themselves over who 'ruled Europe' they had no problems whatsoever establishing the biggest empire the planet has seen over the rest of the planet. Will we let the Germans rule Gibraltar I wonder..

World domination is where its at.

simplybam

I was gonna quote some posters here, but there were just too many who obviously didn't have a clue, so I couldn't be bothered. Instead, here are some facts for you brain dead imbeciles (I'm hoping the few people with remnants of the gray matter, will know that they're not included in the above statement).

Without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter) your motorways would be non-existent - ever noticed the signs 'financed by the European Regional Development Fund'? Guess not, you'd have to be able to read, sorry.

Without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter), there'd be no Luas (funny that, it was financed with MAJOR financial aid from the European Regional Development Fund)

Ok, you probably don't know what a museum is, so I'll try to explain. It's a big building where they display all kinds of stuff, i.e. art, artefacts, machinery, history, etc. (etc. stands for et cetera, which is latin for 'and other things' or 'and so on'), but without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter) a good few museums around here wouldn't exist.

Now I could go on, but I reckon this will give your brains an overload for the next few weeks, so just let me know when you're ready for more.

Again, I do apologize to all sensible members of this community and I'm generally quite a decent chap, but stuff like those utterly idiotic comments posted in this thread - and you all know which one's I refer to - just get my blood boiling and I have to vent.

If a mod or decent member of boards.ie asks me to I'll gladly delete this post (I know mods can do that themselves, but I'll do it voluntarily)

Thank you all

cml387

When's the Iphone 5 out?

Richard tea

simplybam wrote: »

I was gonna quote some posters here, but there were just too many who obviously didn't have a clue, so I couldn't be bothered. Instead, here are some facts for you brain dead imbeciles (I'm hoping the few people with remnants of the gray matter, will know that they're not included in the above statement).

Without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter) your motorways would be non-existent - ever noticed the signs 'financed by the European Regional Development Fund'? Guess not, you'd have to be able to read, sorry.

Without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter), there'd be no Luas (funny that, it was financed with MAJOR financial aid from the European Regional Development Fund)

Ok, you probably don't know what a museum is, so I'll try to explain. It's a big building where they display all kinds of stuff, i.e. art, artefacts, machinery, history, etc. (etc. stands for et cetera, which is latin for 'and other things' or 'and so on'), but without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter) a good few museums around here wouldn't exist.

Now I could go on, but I reckon this will give your brains an overload for the next few weeks, so just let me know when you're ready for more.

Again, I do apologize to all sensible members of this community and I'm generally quite a decent chap, but stuff like those utterly idiotic comments posted in this thread - and you all know which one's I refer to - just get my blood boiling and I have to vent.

If a mod or decent member of boards.ie asks me to I'll gladly delete this post (I know mods can do that themselves, but I'll do it voluntarily)

Thank you all

Without the Eu we would not owe 10000000000000000000000000 euro ( or a figure close to that.

PseudoFamous

Richard tea wrote: »

Without the Eu we would not owe 10000000000000000000000000 euro ( or a figure close to that.

No we wouldn't, we'd just have defaulted, like Iceland. Of course, those who we borrowed money from would be incredibly annoyed at us for a few years, which may cost the economy far more than the quoted €80bn.

charlemont

Sykk wrote: »

If you don't know the reasons behind this then you should go back into your cave, where have you been in the last 3 years?!

Well said, Ireland only has itself to blame.

simplybam

Richard tea wrote: »

Without the Eu we would not owe 10000000000000000000000000 euro ( or a figure close to that.

And how did you come up with that piece of genius? Are you saying that without the EU you wouldn't have taken out a € 1.000.000 mortgage for a 2 bed flat in some crappy estate that's basically worth a 0 less? Was that the evil EU who made you do it? No, it was complete and utter lack of brains that made you do it. And now the EU is here to rescue your ugly oversized behind.

You're welcome

7sr2z3fely84g5

We wouldn't listen to the germans the first time and we still don't,look at 2007 german minister got laughed out of it for making such a suggestion :rolleyes:-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2469335.ece

Mr Pauls poured scorn on Ireland’s recent affluence and its Government, telling his audience at Clontarf Castle in Dublin that “junior ministers earn more than the German Chancellor” and that “20 per cent of the population are public servants” – neither of which is true.
He described the country’s health service as chaotic with hospital waiting lists which would not be tolerated elsewhere.
And he revealed his amazement that Irish doctors who were offered annual salaries of €200,000 (£138,000) to work in the public sector turned their noses up at what they called “Mickey Mouse money”.
He said that he was at the National Concert Hall when an announcer appealed for the owner of a 1993-registered car to move the vehicle because it was blocking an entrance.
“Of course no one moved,” said Mr Pauls. “All the Irish are driving 2006 and 2007 cars. For all I know the car is still there.” He also said that tourists from the United States had stopped visiting Ireland because they were sick of the incessant traffic jams.
Dermot Gallagher, the Secretary-General of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Ireland’s Foreign Ministry, was ordered by Dermot Ahern, the Foreign Minister to issue a formal protest.

Spread

simplybam wrote: »

......... Again, I do apologize to all sensible members of this community and I'm generally quite a decent chap, but stuff like those utterly idiotic comments posted in this thread - and you all know which one's I refer to - just get my blood boiling and I have to vent........

More like a big girl's blouse/schwul strop.

Spread

simplybam wrote: »

And how did you come up with that piece of genius? Are you saying that without the EU you wouldn't have taken out a € 1.000.000 mortgage for a 2 bed flat in some crappy estate that's basically worth a 0 less? Was that the evil EU who made you do it? No, it was complete and utter lack of brains that made you do it. And now the EU is here to rescue your ugly oversized behind.

You're welcome

When it comes to lack of brains ........ Germany displayed quite a lot in their two adventures. WTF built up Germany after it's collapse? Not once but twice.

Richard tea

simplybam wrote: »

And how did you come up with that piece of genius? Are you saying that without the EU you wouldn't have taken out a € 1.000.000 mortgage for a 2 bed flat in some crappy estate that's basically worth a 0 less? Was that the evil EU who made you do it? No, it was complete and utter lack of brains that made you do it. And now the EU is here to rescue your ugly oversized behind.

You're welcome

Eu, Mortgage, 2 bed flat, Evil ???? Our debt problem reached far beyond the looming mortgage crisis.

#15

Spread wrote: »

When it comes to lack of brains ........ Germany displayed quite a lot in their two adventures. WTF built up Germany after it's collapse? Not once but twice.

What is the point of bringing up the actions of past generations? Is it meant to reflect on the current generation of Germans or something?
Because if we apply that criteria to everyone, there'll be quite a few countries coming out looking as bad or worse than Germany.

Also, what is the reference to ''twice'' about? Are you talking about the Marshall plan? That occurred once.
There was no such plan post-WW1. You do know about the ridiculous financial penalties imposed on Germany after WW1?

saywhatyousee

simplybam wrote: »

I was gonna quote some posters here, but there were just too many who obviously didn't have a clue, so I couldn't be bothered. Instead, here are some facts for you brain dead imbeciles (I'm hoping the few people with remnants of the gray matter, will know that they're not included in the above statement).

Without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter) your motorways would be non-existent - ever noticed the signs 'financed by the European Regional Development Fund'? Guess not, you'd have to be able to read, sorry.

Without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter), there'd be no Luas (funny that, it was financed with MAJOR financial aid from the European Regional Development Fund)

Ok, you probably don't know what a museum is, so I'll try to explain. It's a big building where they display all kinds of stuff, i.e. art, artefacts, machinery, history, etc. (etc. stands for et cetera, which is latin for 'and other things' or 'and so on'), but without Germany (or the EU as a whole, for that matter) a good few museums around here wouldn't exist.

Now I could go on, but I reckon this will give your brains an overload for the next few weeks, so just let me know when you're ready for more.

Again, I do apologize to all sensible members of this community and I'm generally quite a decent chap, but stuff like those utterly idiotic comments posted in this thread - and you all know which one's I refer to - just get my blood boiling and I have to vent.

If a mod or decent member of boards.ie asks me to I'll gladly delete this post (I know mods can do that themselves, but I'll do it voluntarily)

Thank you all

Nice to see the lobby's are out in force!!:D

pragmatic1

I'd like to see the RA executing German and French bankers.

PseudoFamous

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I'd like to see the RA executing German and French bankers.

But it was our bankers' fault. That'd be like executing your mother for telling you off because you stole a car.

pragmatic1

PseudoFamous wrote: »

But it was our bankers' fault. That'd be like executing your mother for telling you off because you stole a car.

The Germans and French are just as complicit. Kill our bankers too. All these cnuts really do have blood on their hands. Countless lives ruined. If the law isnt willing to punish them then I'm all for cruder methods.

saywhatyousee

PseudoFamous wrote: »

But it was our bankers' fault. That'd be like executing your mother for telling you off because you stole a car.

Not entirely true,its the same situation as the analogy.
I am selling crack cocaine you pseudo overdose.Who is to blame more, me who sold it to you,or the person that sold it to me?

brendansmith

If history has taught us anything, it's that the Germans are tolerant and sound.

simplybam

Spread wrote: »

When it comes to lack of brains ........ Germany displayed quite a lot in their two adventures. WTF built up Germany after it's collapse? Not once but twice.

Lol, the first time around Hitler built up Germany and the second time it was the Marshall Plan in order to avoid the need for another Hitler. Any more questions?

Pompey Magnus

simplybam wrote: »

And how did you come up with that piece of genius? Are you saying that without the EU you wouldn't have taken out a € 1.000.000 mortgage for a 2 bed flat in some crappy estate that's basically worth a 0 less? Was that the evil EU who made you do it? No, it was complete and utter lack of brains that made you do it. And now the EU is here to rescue your ugly oversized behind.

You're welcome

Where do you think all that money came from? The EU was our loan shark and now we are supposed to thank them when they come to break our legs when we start to struggle to pay them back?

Yes the EU helped pay for our lovely motorways, where would we be without them? These motorways helped fuel our financial collapse, commuting to Dublin would have been far less attractive without them, property prices would not have been artificially inflated to a preposterous level in small towns 50+ miles from Dublin by professionals moving out of the city because, thanks to the EU, they now had a relatively easy commute. We would not have had access to large numbers of cheap foreign labour, thus removing a vital fail-safe which would have helped prevent an overheating in the construction sector. The rural landscape would not thus not have been permanently scarred by horrible, monotonous housing estates.

Without the EU we wouldn't have had easy access to money we couldn't afford, young professionals working in Dublin would have been forced to pay high rent to live within easy access of the city...not ideal but far better than a worrying about a looming mortgage default, we would be a poor country but if you think we would have anywhere near the debt that we do now I would like to see how you can justify that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Where do you think all that money came from? The EU was our loan shark and now we are supposed to thank them when they come to break our legs when we start to struggle to pay them back?

No, unless you're in the habit of borrowing from a loan shark and then buying luxury goods with the money.

Yes the EU helped pay for our lovely motorways, where would we be without them? These motorways helped fuel our financial collapse, commuting to Dublin would have been far less attractive without them, property prices would not have been artificially inflated to a preposterous level in small towns 50+ miles from Dublin by professionals moving out of the city because, thanks to the EU, they now had a relatively easy commute. We would not have had access to large numbers of cheap foreign labour, thus removing a vital fail-safe which would have helped prevent an overheating in the construction sector. The rural landscape would not thus not have been permanently scarred by horrible, monotonous housing estates.

So motorways, housing estates are hard-working foreigners are bad, then? No wonder they acoid them in other countries. Oh, wait...

Without the EU we wouldn't have had easy access to money we couldn't afford, young professionals working in Dublin would have been forced to pay high rent to live within easy access of the city...not ideal but far better than a worrying about a looming mortgage default, we would be a poor country but if you think we would have anywhere near the debt that we do now I would like to see how you can justify that.

Again, not the EU's fault. We were given the tools, we choose to use them irresponsibly. Not the fault of the toolmaker. Unless you're saying we should never have been given the money BECAUSE we were going to act wrecklessly and irresponsibly, your post about expansion being bad makes no sense.

simplybam

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Where do you think all that money came from? The EU was our loan shark and now we are supposed to thank them when they come to break our legs when we start to struggle to pay them back?


Without the EU we wouldn't have had easy access to money we couldn't afford, young professionals working in Dublin would have been forced to pay high rent to live within easy access of the city...not ideal but far better than a worrying about a looming mortgage default, we would be a poor country but if you think we would have anywhere near the debt that we do now I would like to see how you can justify that.

As the previous poster pointed out, if you go to the bank and take out a loan it's your responsibility to ensure you can repay it. What's the story with people constantly blaming others for their own shortcomings or stupidity? So if I go to my bank, take out a loan, take the money straight to the casino and put everything on black it'd be the banks fault when red comes up and I lose everything?

Brilliant logic, that is!

Pompey Magnus

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So motorways, housing estates are hard-working foreigners are bad, then?

Yes they certainly are bad if they come at a level which a state cannot afford.

None are bad in and of themselves, but when a combination of motorways, cheap European money and cheap labour lead to an over supply of massively overpriced property in poor quality housing estates far outside the primary employment center in the country then I would regard that as pretty bad, yes.

Again, not the EU's fault. We were given the tools, we choose to use them irresponsibly. Not the fault of the toolmaker. Unless you're saying we should never have been given the money BECAUSE we were going to act wrecklessly and irresponsibly, your post about expansion being bad makes no sense.

I'm not saying a large number of Irish people weren't blameless, lots of the citizens of this country should hold their heads in shame at what their greed has done. All I am saying is that the EU played its part in this mess too, they were part of the problem and they are not, as was being suggested, a white knight riding valiantly to the rescue of Ireland.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Yes they certainly are bad if they come at a level which a state cannot afford.

None are bad in and of themselves, but when a combination of motorways, cheap European money and cheap labour lead to an over supply of massively overpriced property in poor quality housing estates far outside the primary employment center in the country then I would regard that as pretty bad, yes.



I'm not saying a large number of Irish people weren't blameless, lots of the citizens of this country should hold their heads in shame at what their greed has done. All I am saying is that the EU played its part in this mess too, they were part of the problem and they are not, as was being suggested, a white knight riding valiantly to the rescue of Ireland.

Firstly, to correct my repsonce as well as the post I was replying to, the motorways and infrastructure were built with grants, not loans. So there ws no loan-sharking originally.

I believe the causes of over-priced land (not property, land) was the fault of unscrupulous developers and corrupt politians. It was the rezoning and buying of the land on which the property was to be built that caused the bubble. I'm not sure where cheap labour comes into it, considering construction workers are very well paid to the best of knowledge, regardless of where they come from. I also don't know where the EU comes into it, at least not until well after the bubble had burst and we were already in deep trouble.

I agree with you when you say that the EU are not the white knight you mention, completely, but I still don't see where they are to blame in causing the crisis to start with.

fontanalis

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Firstly, to correct my repsonce as well as the post I was replying to, the motorways and infrastructure were built with grants, not loans. So there ws no loan-sharking originally.

I believe the causes of over-priced land (not property, land) was the fault of unscrupulous developers and corrupt politians. It was the rezoning and buying of the land on which the property was to be built that caused the bubble. I'm not sure where cheap labour comes into it, considering construction workers are very well paid to the best of knowledge, regardless of where they come from. I also don't know where the EU comes into it, at least not until well after the bubble had burst and we were already in deep trouble.

I agree with you when you say that the EU are not the white knight you mention, completely, but I still don't see where they are to blame in causing the crisis to start with.

Why blame irish people when you have another scapegoat easily available, we can't have people facing up to their responsibilites!
Anyway don't you know Ireland was an economic powerhouse before we joined the EU?

Seanchai

orourkeda wrote: »

Nicholas Sarkozy thinks he's Napoleon. Little scut needs a good kick in the bollix.

Very good. Are you the editor of some xenophobic, europhobic (and, of course, anti-Irish) British rightwing tabloid in the spare time you have away from Boards?

Seanchai

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I'm going to vote against anything that they proposed. Fcuk Europe.

:rolleyes: You're an honour to any British Tory or BNP member.

Seanchai

Maverick Inexpensive Tenor wrote: »

We wouldn't listen to the germans the first time and we still don't,look at 2007 german minister got laughed out of it for making such a suggestion :rolleyes:-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2469335.ece

Good post. There was outrage among all those Irish who had invested in property when the German ambassador to Ireland warned us during the so-called "Celtic Tiger" about how the Irish had lost the run of themselves.

He was correct. We, the Irish people, have a shít load of maturing to do. It seems that many in this thread are complicit in deluding themselves about Irish responsibility for our current situation.

Helpful advice to these people: stop reading rightwing europhobic British newspapers, and the Sunday Independent. Educate yourselves.