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Reporting a dangerous dog...

  • 17-08-2011 10:53am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭


    ...is there any point...Was walking my dog today in a park in Sallynoggin when from behind me i heard an approaching growling, looked behind to see a Rothweiller coming at speed...i pulled my dog close and stood between them....he circled a bit, while i shoo'd him away....his owner , tracksuit bottoms and no top ,on the phone, pushing a pram :rolleyes:...called him back.....
    No leash and no muzzle.....
    I'd be worried more for someone who might be really afraid of these dogs...
    Should i report it or is there any point without any proof...:confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭catch me if you can


    how can you report the dog? do you know where the owner lives?
    If the dog just ran up and didnt actually bite I dont see what you would be reporting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭kennyw


    OP, I understand you may have been fearful for you an your pets well bein which may be making you over react..

    As an owner of 2 rottie's myself, If that dog was as you said in your heading
    dangerous
    he would have made short work of you and your dog..

    But as you also state, you were able to shoo him away
    shoo'd him away
    it goes to show that the dog had not got the intention of harming either you or your pet.

    I agree with catchme if you can
    If the dog just ran up and didnt actually bite I dont see what you would be reporting?

    But I am however highly annoyed at the fact that it is indeed this owner who does not have the dog under control to stop his pet free roaming off lead that causes people to brandish these amazing friendly loyal animals as a Beast off lead..

    does it make a difference if this was a family man with a merc in the drive or suit on his back, or as you state
    tracksuit bottoms and no top
    , would of made a difference to you.. The fact is that the owner did not have the dog on a lead which would have stopped this.

    When i walk my 2 girls, i have to bring them to an industrial estate or end of the beach when there is noone around to get "scared" of the 2 soft tongue dangling beasts running around.. I do respect other peoples fears of dogs, even if they own there own toy breed or other wise smaller dog.

    I was only last night met with a gang of about 6-8 youngsters of mixed age an sex outside my local soccer pitch where i walk my 2 big rotties, on leads, and they all got a rub an pet an lick from my dogs,, it was a nice change to usual approach i get form there older generation in the area, where they would normally cross the road or change footpath when they see me walking with my 2 pets..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭DBCyc


    Irresponsible owner, but not so much a dangerous dog :)

    If you report it, the warden might pay a visit to the area to see if it happens again. I doubt that they can or will do anything more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭aisher


    You could report it as this may be a regular walking area for this man and his dog. This dog should have been on a leash and should have had a muzzle. Regardless of the dogs intentions towards you it should not have been running free off leash. I really dont see the point of having rules in place in relation to dogs if dog owners just do what they want!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭tinyjiney


    aisher wrote: »
    You could report it as this may be a regular walking area for this man and his dog. This dog should have been on a leash and should have had a muzzle. Regardless of the dogs intentions towards you it should not have been running free off leash. I really dont see the point of having rules in place in relation to dogs if dog owners just do what they want!


    Tanx for the un-biased reply...i'll report it..it might save some dogs life.. ;)

    Sorry for upsetting the others....very touchy subject i suppose...

    kennyw..i'm not afraid of ANY dog, been around and love dogs all my life,i wasnt afraid at all......I dont think a guy in a merc (unless he sells drugs) is going to let this type of dog run free, tracksuit man wouldnt waste beer money on a muzzle...;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    I'm just curious OP, in what way was the dog dangerous?
    Sorry for upsetting the others....very touchy subject i suppose...
    Reporting a dog as dangerous if it's not, is indeed quite touchy for a lot of people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭catch me if you can


    dont think a guy in a merc (unless he sells drugs) is going to let this type of dog run free, tracksuit man wouldnt waste beer money on a muzzle

    Woa! that is such a bigoted thing to say I dont even know where to begin.
    I think you need to calm down , the Dog ran up to you, you shooed him away. He did not hurt you.
    Yes the owner should have had him on a lead, but it hardly makes the owner a criminal mastermind.
    I dont understand why you would want to create such drama in your life over nothing.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    tinyjiney wrote: »
    Tanx for the un-biased reply...i'll report it..it might save some dogs life.. ;)

    Sorry for upsetting the others....very touchy subject i suppose...

    kennyw..i'm not afraid of ANY dog, been around and love dogs all my life,i wasnt afraid at all......I dont think a guy in a merc (unless he sells drugs) is going to let this type of dog run free, tracksuit man wouldnt waste beer money on a muzzle...;)

    Why is it going to save some dogs life? That doesn't make any sense.

    'this type of dog'? what, a dog that came near to you and then went back to its owner without doing anything wrong?

    You really do have issues with stereotypes don't you. If you want unbiased replies, how about putting up unbiased threads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭are you serious


    tinyjiney wrote: »
    his owner , tracksuit bottoms and no top ,on the phone, pushing a pram

    This statement has hit a nerve, I for one have a child, a moile phone and also A rottweiler. When I choose to take my son with me when walking the dog I take him in his buggy, I ear tracksuit bottoms every time I walk my dog like almost every other person I've ever seen walking theirs or the odd one or two in shorts...

    Ive been known to take a phone call olso while all this was going on, multitasking I like to call it :rolleyes:

    This "dangerous" dog done nothing wrong except probably give you a fright, he didn't do it on purpose, and if he did he certainly wouldn't have "shoo'd away"

    Gotta go get myself some respectable dog walking clothes now, any suggestions on what to wear? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭antocann


    op if that dog was any where near dangerous it would of made chew toys of your dogs , for the owner to have a kid with them also shows the dog is friendly


    and you shoo'd it away , make it even more tame as it went
    you would honestly be wasting your time reporting it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Allgäuerin


    garkane wrote: »
    This statement has hit a nerve, I for one have a child, a moile phone and also A rottweiler. When I choose to take my son with me when walking the dog I take him in his buggy, I ear tracksuit bottoms every time I walk my dog like almost every other person I've ever seen walking theirs or the odd one or two in shorts...

    Ive been known to take a phone call olso while all this was going on, multitasking I like to call it :rolleyes:

    And you also have your dog off leash??? :mad:

    I can fully understand the OP!!!! This time they got a fright, the next time maybe the dog will be hurt!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭are you serious


    And you also have your dog off leash??? :mad:

    No, when did i say that?

    Ive got a long field leash for my dog, its a 10 meter line he's never let off the leash unless I'm walking him in the early hours after I finish my night shift.

    I'd like to add I also dont walk around topless not unless I'm on holiday :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭Zapperzy


    If it had been a labrador would that make any difference?

    Ok completely disregarding the restricted breeds list I don't see what this guy done wrong. His dog approached you, you shoo'd it away, he called his dog back and it returned. Did the dog growl or raise his hackles or show any sign of aggression? Ok according to the law a rottweiler should be on a lead and muzzled at all times, that law is utter rubbish and you'l find a lot of people here disagree with it, whether all restricted breed owners should adhere to it is another arguement, if the dog is friendly and under control regardless of what breed it is why should they have to keep their friendly dog on a lead ?

    I'l put it this way. I might start a thread later to get opinions on this. I'v just come back from a walk on the beach. At the end of the walk I seen a woman with an offlead greyhound coming towards me, as she got closer her dog approached my dog, she told me her dog was very gentle and friendly, I told her my dog was not so friendly. My dog was on a short lead, her dog on no lead. My dog lunged and barked at her dog. Should I report her because she had an offlead dog on a beach where there is a sign up saying all dog should be under effectual control? Obviously I'm not going to report her but it's the same as your experience, her dog offlead approached me and my dog onlead, just this dog was a greyhound and not a rottweiler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    And you also have your dog off leash??? :mad:

    I can fully understand the OP!!!! This time they got a fright, the next time maybe the dog will be hurt!

    Why, what are you basing that on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    Maybe to put this in perspective.

    I always keep my two on the leash - however when they see other dogs they want to play with they do go a bit nuts - and sometimes do the weirdest kind of growl depending on the dog.

    However - they are complete softies.

    In terms of the rottie you met - since you were able to shooh away - this bodes well. However - their owner does need a slap on the wrists. That dog may not have met someone like you - instead they could have met someone who reacted out of fear and caused the situation to escalate.

    Either way - well done on dealing with a potentially stressful situation so well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Allgäuerin


    ISDW wrote: »
    Why, what are you basing that on?

    I'm basing this on my experience for having/walking dogs now over 15 years. Dont get me wrong I dont have anything against "big" dogs if they well behaved. This dog was obviously not "friendly" or how would you explain the speeding up and then growling at the OP & dog?[COLOR=#000000 ! important][/COLOR]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 989 ✭✭✭piperh


    I'm struggling where to start on this. I have to agree with some of the others and say i'm missing the part where the dog was dangerous.

    He ran up to you and from what you've said returned to the owner when called. Well thats more than an awful lot of dogs and i'm sure its not the first time you've been confronted by an unleashed dog approaching yours and barking or growling, I wonder if you have reported them??

    I think you are stereotyping the breed the same as you are stereotyping the owner. I'm not saying the situation wasn't scary as i'm sure it was and the owner was irresponsible for allowing his dog off the leash and letting it approach you and your dog.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    I'm basing this on my experience for having/walking dogs now over 15 years. Dont get me wrong I dont have anything against "big" dogs if they well behaved. This dog was obviously not "friendly" or how would you explain the speeding up and then growling at the OP & dog?[COLOR=#000000 ! important][/COLOR]

    How do you know the dog wasn't friendly? Reread what the OP said, he/she heard growling behind them, then a rottie came charging at them. The OP doesn't say that the rottie was growling as it charged at them, or that it growled at any time when he/she was shooing it away.

    From my perspective, how could they have heard the dog growling if it was so far away that they "looked behind to see a Rothweiller coming at speed"? Growls don't usually carry that far. How do they know it was the rottie that was growling at all, if indeed there was growling?

    If this dog was not "friendly" then how come it allowed a complete stranger to shoo it away with no reaction? What bit of this dog's actions was not friendly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Allgäuerin


    @ISDW ok you right. I must have interpret all these years dogs wrong who chased me and my dogs up with growling at us! And now, I see the scar on my leg, after one of these dogs bit me, completly diffrent. He just wanted to play with me :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    No, there is absolutely no point in reporting this. In fact you would be wasting time of people who have to deal with real dangerous animals. I wonder if the man was not in a tracksuit or if this had been a labrador would it all have been as "dangerous". Maybe the man was a good dog owner who was distracted for a minute, made a mistake. The dog didnt even growl or bark at you or your dog, what exactly is dangerous here?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    @ISDW ok you right. I must have interpret all these years dogs wrong who chased me and my dogs up with growling at us! And now, I see the scar on my leg, after one of these dogs bit me, completly diffrent. He just wanted to play with me :rolleyes:

    Did the dog in the op bite? or chase them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭antocann


    i think in all honesty the op's post should realy say ,

    " i heard a noise , look behind their was a dog sniffing, its a rottie so it has to be dangerious , should i report it "


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    @ISDW ok you right. I must have interpret all these years dogs wrong who chased me and my dogs up with growling at us! And now, I see the scar on my leg, after one of these dogs bit me, completly diffrent. He just wanted to play with me :rolleyes:

    Roll your eyes all you like. Nowhere does the op say that the dog growled at her, he/she heard growling behind them. Rotties often actually do make a noise like growling when they're playing, so maybe your expertise isn't all that you imagine it to be. I can't actually understand what your point is though in the post I've quoted, it doesn't make sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭lrushe


    OP as the owner of a Rottie I can tell you that they are a very vocal breed & what might sound like a growl might not be a growl in the agressive sense. I am very wary of letting my girl meet strange dogs, not because she is dangerous (she is v.social) but because she tends to approach other dogs like a bull in a china shop & frighten owners who don't know better.
    Personally I don't see any point in reporting this dog, as others have said if this dog was indeed dangerous wild horses wouldn't have stopped it from attacking you or your dog.
    Also just for the record I hope to be walking my Rottie while pushing a pram next year, I also wear a tracksuit for comfort, I hope I don't get judged for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    how can you report the dog? do you know where the owner lives?
    If the dog just ran up and didnt actually bite I dont see what you would be reporting?

    The dog should have been on a lead and muzzled. Also the clown should have been reported to the fashion police:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Shammy


    The same thing happened to me today , i went to the park with my kids and dog (on a lead) , this over weight lab came running over to my female gave a little growl then started to sniff . The owner came along a few mins later to call his dog ......should i report him ? (he too was wearing a tracksuit bottoms, but then again so was I )


    What really annoyed me was the fact that if it had been my bitch off the lead running over to another dog giving a growl , it would have been a case of another dangerous gsd .

    Dogs like playing with other dogs , clearly this rottie was not an aggressive dog he was just curious , granted he should have been on a lead , and i can see how you got a fright to see him running up behind you . But this wasnt a dangerous dog .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    What if the dog had bit the OPs dog or the OP? The owner was irresponsible and as an owner of a RB should have known better. The Rotties owners negligence could have gotten the Rottie into trouble. It's funny how this point is lost on alot of people in this section.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    What if the dog had bit the OPs dog or the OP? The owner was irresponsible and as an owner of a RB should have known better. The Rotties owners negligence could have gotten the Rottie into trouble. It's funny how this point is lost on alot of people in this section.

    But it didn't bite anybody or anything, so how is it a dangerous dog? Yes, obviously by law the dog should have been muzzled and on a lead, but that is because it is on a restricted breed list, not because it is a dangerous dog. Why is the assumption made that just because its a rottie its going to bite?

    If it was a labrador in this story instead of a rottie, would you and others be talking about it biting? Yet it could well be an off lead labrador running up to somebody, running around them, and then going back to its owner when called. Yes, an annoyance definitely, dangerous dog? No, no matter what breed it is.

    Oh, but a labrador wouldn't have an owner in tracksuit bottoms pushing a pram whilst on the phone obviously.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭aisher


    Bringing up other breeds of dog is pointless - last I read a Lab was not on the list of restricted breeds so making comparisons is pointless. If you own a restricted dog you have added responsibilities even if you disagree or feel its unfair. Had the dog bitten the OP it would have been another story of how 'dangerous' these dogs are - like it or not if a Chihuahua did the same it would be passed off as a 'nip'. Irresponsible owners have turned a perfectly decent dog into a feared 'dangerous' dog. I sympathise with the OP and I dont see how anyone can defend the owner of the dog since he was not doing the responsible thing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    The person is well in their rights to report a restricted breed un muzzled and un leashed, whether the dog is dangerous or not is irrelevant.

    Its up to you to report this crime or you can just hope the dog doesn't mame a child and you didn't do anything about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    The owner was irresponsible and as an owner of a RB should have known better.

    I agree with this, I would never dream of taking a dog out off-lead if I had pram/pushchair with me. There was too much going on at the same time there for the owner to be in effective control of the dog, RB or not. If the dog is going to approach people uninvited it really shouldn't have been off lead. Who is to say the OP's dog is dog friendly and what would the owner of the Rottie have done if the other dog kicked off, because if this had happened it would clearly have been his fault/responsibility. What could he realistically have done if his dog approached an aggressive dog and they got in a fight when he had a child in a pram with him, would he have abandoned the dog or the pram? How would that have ended for a dog that technically is supposed to be on a short lead and muzzled?

    This is something that should be taken into account as part of the decision making process for anyone considering getting a dog that is on the restricted breeds list. If people are not willing to at least have adequate control of the dog (leads and muzzles aside) they should have got a different breed.

    As for the scenario in the OP, is this incident worthy of reporting? Given all of what I've said above I would still say no, there is nothing of much consequence in the opening post that would lead me to believe this scenario was anything other than a non-incident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    aisher wrote: »
    Bringing up other breeds of dog is pointless - last I read a Lab was not on the list of restricted breeds so making comparisons is pointless. If you own a restricted dog you have added responsibilities even if you disagree or feel its unfair. Had the dog bitten the OP it would have been another story of how 'dangerous' these dogs are - like it or not if a Chihuahua did the same it would be passed off as a 'nip'. Irresponsible owners have turned a perfectly decent dog into a feared 'dangerous' dog. I sympathise with the OP and I dont see how anyone can defend the owner of the dog since he was not doing the responsible thing.

    Of course its not pointless. Just because a dog is on the RB list does not mean that it is a dangerous dog. For your information, when the RB list was being drawn up, the Chihuahua was initially added to it because the name sounds foreign, so they thought the dog was a foreign, dangerous dog. Thats how pointless the RB list is. Bringing up the breed at all in this scenario is pointless, as was the fact that the owner was wearing tracksuit bottoms. I can completely understand how the OP might have been scared at a dog running towards them, and around them in a circle, but as has been stated already, that does not make it a dangerous dog. The stereotypes in this thread are unbelievable.

    My brother used to drive a Merc and have a rottie, and he wears tracksuit bottoms a lot. Drug dealer? no, rugby player and sailor, at this moment in time he's skippering a yacht in the fastnet race. Hows that for a stereotype?

    I am not defending the owner of the dog at all, but nowhere has the OP shown that this is a dangerous dog - and the title of the thread is 'Reporting a dangerous dog'.
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The person is well in their rights to report a restricted breed un muzzled and un leashed, whether the dog is dangerous or not is irrelevant.

    Its up to you to report this crime or you can just hope the dog doesn't mame a child and you didn't do anything about it.

    Why is this dog going to 'mame' a child? Just because its a rottie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    ISDW wrote: »
    aisher wrote: »
    Bringing up other breeds of dog is pointless - last I read a Lab was not on the list of restricted breeds so making comparisons is pointless. If you own a restricted dog you have added responsibilities even if you disagree or feel its unfair. Had the dog bitten the OP it would have been another story of how 'dangerous' these dogs are - like it or not if a Chihuahua did the same it would be passed off as a 'nip'. Irresponsible owners have turned a perfectly decent dog into a feared 'dangerous' dog. I sympathise with the OP and I dont see how anyone can defend the owner of the dog since he was not doing the responsible thing.

    Of course its not pointless. Just because a dog is on the RB list does not mean that it is a dangerous dog. For your information, when the RB list was being drawn up, the Chihuahua was initially added to it because the name sounds foreign, so they thought the dog was a foreign, dangerous dog. Thats how pointless the RB list is. Bringing up the breed at all in this scenario is pointless, as was the fact that the owner was wearing tracksuit bottoms. I can completely understand how the OP might have been scared at a dog running towards them, and around them in a circle, but as has been stated already, that does not make it a dangerous dog. The stereotypes in this thread are unbelievable.

    My brother used to drive a Merc and have a rottie, and he wears tracksuit bottoms a lot. Drug dealer? no, rugby player and sailor, at this moment in time he's skippering a yacht in the fastnet race. Hows that for a stereotype?

    I am not defending the owner of the dog at all, but nowhere has the OP shown that this is a dangerous dog - and the title of the thread is 'Reporting a dangerous dog'.
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The person is well in their rights to report a restricted breed un muzzled and un leashed, whether the dog is dangerous or not is irrelevant.

    Its up to you to report this crime or you can just hope the dog doesn't mame a child and you didn't do anything about it.

    Why is this dog going to 'mame' a child? Just because its a rottie?

    I said just hope the dog doesn't mame a child, Because id feel bad not reporting something illegal and a child gettin hurt.

    and its not because its a rottie, its because laws are laws and the dog is on a restricted breed list for a reason. if everyone was to just ignore the laws they didn't agree with we'd Tate. People fighting dogs and all sorts and not being prosecuted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭john t


    ISDW Good post.. Im owner a german shepard/ restricted breed, i regularry walk with my 2yr old and 5 yr old daughters, 22mnth old dog always off lead in park, when other parents with kids and small dog see us they can be a bit panicy and afraid but they see dog with kids and presume its a good dog as she is..I suppose because we know have a list of restricted dog breeds sum people expect the dog too be angry/ aggressive/ violent etc...If people allow dogs too meet and sniff their is no problem...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    and its not because its a rottie, its because laws are laws and the dog is on a restricted breed list for a reason. if everyone was to just ignore the laws they didn't agree with we'd Tate. People fighting dogs and all sorts and not being prosecuted.

    You are comparing a rottie being off-lead to dog fighting?? :confused: I'd have been more inclined to compare it to people that let their dogs wander. If I was to report every dog that wandered up to me that I had to shoo away, two things would happen.

    1. I wouldn't be able to report them all because the calls would cost more than my weeks wages!

    2. The dog warden would take a restraining order out on me for harassment :p

    I think this needs to put into context and perspective, there's a bit too much speculation going on in this thread!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭toadfly


    and its not because its a rottie, its because laws are laws and the dog is on a restricted breed list for a reason. if everyone was to just ignore the laws they didn't agree with we'd Tate. People fighting dogs and all sorts and not being prosecuted.

    The dogs that are the RB list aren't on it for any good reason. It's all media hype and stupid people overeacting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Where have I said that dog is dangerous? Seriously the person who owned the Rottie is breaking the law. The law maybe stupid but it's the law. Until RB owners get their act together and have the act repealed we as RB owners have a responsibility to OUR dogs not to put them in a situation where they can get themselves into trouble.

    Some people are obsessed wth the word dangerous. And everytime someone uses the word the same crowd gather to give their mob like rebuff. It's actually quite tiring.

    Think about the dog. The dog may or may not be person or dog aggressive. We don't live in an ideal world where all RB owners are responsible. As RB owners these people should be chastised as they are bringing the rest of us and our RB dogs into disrepute. Why put your dog into a situation where it could end up being put down because of your negligence.

    ISDW wrote: »
    But it didn't bite anybody or anything, so how is it a dangerous dog? Yes, obviously by law the dog should have been muzzled and on a lead, but that is because it is on a restricted breed list, not because it is a dangerous dog. Why is the assumption made that just because its a rottie its going to bite?

    If it was a labrador in this story instead of a rottie, would you and others be talking about it biting? Yet it could well be an off lead labrador running up to somebody, running around them, and then going back to its owner when called. Yes, an annoyance definitely, dangerous dog? No, no matter what breed it is.

    Oh, but a labrador wouldn't have an owner in tracksuit bottoms pushing a pram whilst on the phone obviously.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    TillyGirl wrote: »
    The dogs that are the RB list aren't on it for any good reason. It's all media hype and stupid people overeacting.

    Why not do something about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    So now the OP was imagining things? The growl may not have happened? Where did the OP confirm this? Instead of having a go at the OP why not chastise the Rotties owner?

    ISDW wrote: »
    How do you know the dog wasn't friendly? Reread what the OP said, he/she heard growling behind them, then a rottie came charging at them. The OP doesn't say that the rottie was growling as it charged at them, or that it growled at any time when he/she was shooing it away.

    From my perspective, how could they have heard the dog growling if it was so far away that they "looked behind to see a Rothweiller coming at speed"? Growls don't usually carry that far. How do they know it was the rottie that was growling at all, if indeed there was growling?

    If this dog was not "friendly" then how come it allowed a complete stranger to shoo it away with no reaction? What bit of this dog's actions was not friendly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    The voice of reason. Thankyou.

    aisher wrote: »
    Bringing up other breeds of dog is pointless - last I read a Lab was not on the list of restricted breeds so making comparisons is pointless. If you own a restricted dog you have added responsibilities even if you disagree or feel its unfair. Had the dog bitten the OP it would have been another story of how 'dangerous' these dogs are - like it or not if a Chihuahua did the same it would be passed off as a 'nip'. Irresponsible owners have turned a perfectly decent dog into a feared 'dangerous' dog. I sympathise with the OP and I dont see how anyone can defend the owner of the dog since he was not doing the responsible thing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Where have I said that dog is dangerous? Seriously the person who owned the Rottie is breaking the law. The law maybe stupid but it's the law. Until RB owners get their act together and have the act repealed we as RB owners have a responsibility to OUR dogs not to put them in a situation where they can get themselves into trouble.

    Some people are obsessed wth the word dangerous. And everytime someone uses the word the same crowd gather to give their mob like rebuff. It's actually quite tiring.

    Think about the dog. The dog may or may not be person or dog aggressive. We don't live in an ideal world where all RB owners are responsible. As RB owners these people should be chastised as they are bringing the rest of us and our RB dogs into disrepute. Why put your dog into a situation where it could end up being put down because of your negligence.

    The reason I get so irate when people describe an RB dog as dangerous is because they are not basing it on any fact. This dog did not display any dangerous tendencies whatsoever, so I don't understand why you and other posters are saying it may or may not be aggressive. Surely by its actions it has shown that it is not aggressive? I would have no problem, as has been said, with the OP reporting the dog for not complying with the law, but phone the dog warden and report a dangerous dog, only one outcome for that dog, and its not a good one.

    What is actually more tiring is hearing about the amount of RB dogs that get killed in pounds every day because they are on that list, and because people think they are intrinsically dangerous.

    You really want to pray that if ever your dog got out, or was stolen, that it would end up in the handful of pounds that will rehome an RB. If your dog was stolen, and then let go, it could end up in a pound anywhere in the country, and if you didn't get there within 5 days it would be killed, even if it hasn't displayed any aggression whatsoever.

    As has been pointed out in this forum many times before, there is no basis of fact for the dogs that are on the RB list to be on there.

    And as for people only sticking to some laws and not others - never broken the speed limit whilst driving? Or is that one different?:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    So now the OP was imagining things? The growl may not have happened? Where did the OP confirm this? Instead of having a go at the OP why not chastise the Rotties owner?

    Good point, on an internet forum that they're not going to read. Great use of my time.

    The OP has shown a tendency to exaggerate, don't you think? The only people who own rotties and drive mercs are drug dealers?:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    ISDW wrote: »
    Good point, on an internet forum that they're not going to read. Great use of my time.

    The OP has shown a tendency to exaggerate, don't you think? The only people who own rotties and drive mercs are drug dealers?:eek:

    Talk about generalisations. The OP exaggerates and the irresponsible owner gets a free pass.

    I own a Rhodesian Ridgeback. I don't want further restrictions placed on me or my dog because of irresponsible owners.

    Not once have I ever said this dog was dangerous. Let me put this scenario to you. The OP is walking their dog on a lead minding their own business when a Rottie approaches (in their mind in an aggressive manner, not everyone can read the situation). The Rottie trys to get to the OPs dog and the OP panics and try's to decent their dog by swinging and kicking at the dog (not everyone can read a dogs body language). The Rottie is turn tries to defend itself by fighting back. Say the Rottie is friendly and only wanted to sniff the OPs dog, we now have a scenario where a very friendly Rottie has gotten into trouble.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    That should have read defend their dogs. Bloody iPhone. LOL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    ISDW wrote: »
    Good point, on an internet forum that they're not going to read. Great use of my time.

    The OP has shown a tendency to exaggerate, don't you think? The only people who own rotties and drive mercs are drug dealers?:eek:

    BTW if my posts are a waste of your time don't read them. I would hate to think I've misappropriated your time and energy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Talk about generalisations. The OP exaggerates and the irresponsible owner gets a free pass.

    I own a Rhodesian Ridgeback. I don't want further restrictions placed on me or my dog because of irresponsible owners.

    Not once have I ever said this dog was dangerous. Let me put this scenario to you. The OP is walking their dog on a lead minding their own business when a Rottie approaches (in their mind in an aggressive manner, not everyone can read the situation). The Rottie trys to get to the OPs dog and the OP panics and try's to decent their dog by swinging and kicking at the dog (not everyone can read a dogs body language). The Rottie is turn tries to defend itself by fighting back. Say the Rottie is friendly and only wanted to sniff the OPs dog, we now have a scenario where a very friendly Rottie has gotten into trouble.
    In case you haven't noticed, practically every post here has said it was wrong for the person to have their dog off lead, the issue people have is with the OP reporting a dog as dangerous when it clearly wasn't.

    By the way anyone who lashes out at a dog for approaching their dog shouldn't own a dog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Narsil


    I think the OP has completely overreacted and as many here have already said, if you were to report any curious dog off-lead,you'd be sued by dog wardens for continual harassment!

    As for the RB list:rolleyes: As the owner of one of the most friendliest GSD's I know, here's a little taster of what small,cute,fluffy dog made it onto the NSW(Australia)'s list of ill-tempered dogs..................
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/maltese-terrier-joins-dangerous-dog-list-20091025-hehr.html
    ....................now I bet that was surprising to most.

    I'm sure if a Maltese came running at someone,looked at them and returned to their owner, that someone would coo and say 'what a cute little fluffy doggie', but when its a Rottie/Gsd etc, they have a heart attack and start blustering about RB lists,muzzles and reporting it.Makes me a little annoyed:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    In case you haven't noticed, practically every post here has said it was wrong for the person to have their dog off lead, the issue people have is with the OP reporting a dog as dangerous when it clearly wasn't.

    By the way anyone who lashes out at a dog for approaching their dog shouldn't own a dog.

    Actually they have been telling the OP they have over reacted.

    Anyone who puts there RB dog into a situation that could lead to them getting into trouble are the people you should be having a go at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭DBCyc


    Leaving breeds out of this for a second, I think that it's bad form to let your dog run up to anyone unless they clearly want to interact with your dog. So anyone who lets that happen with their dog is a bit inconsiderate in my book. I don't really let it bother me when it happens as I like meeting dogs :)

    Unfortunately, while it makes no sense, the OP probably was more wary as the dog was a Rottie. This is a pity, but it's the world we live in and hopefully it will change. I know they 'play growl' a lot but most people wouldn't!

    Anyway the incident itself sounded relatively harmless and it has been blown out of all proportion. Real life hysteria = Internet hysteria / 1,000.

    The owner was inconsiderate and shouldn't have let it run up to the OP, the dog seemed excitable but backed-off when told. No harm done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Actually they have been telling the OP they have over reacted.
    Yes, by wanting to report a "dangerous dog".
    This thread would be very different if the OP had just mentioned reporting the dog as loose, with no mention of "reporting a dangerous dog".
    Anyone who puts there RB dog into a situation that could lead to them getting into trouble are the people you should be having a go at.
    Since there is nobody advocating this, there is not much point in me having a go at anybody.
    On the other hand I do have an issue with someone reporting an obedient dog that has done no harm as dangerous.


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