Lights Out In Prison

SafeSurfer

Does anyone know what lights out means in the context of Irish prisons. Is there still an electricity supply in the cell so TV can work, can one still read or does it mean lights/electricity are turned off completely. I think lights out time in Irish jails is 10pm.

chin_grin

When the big hand touches the little hand.

oppenheimer1

More than a couple of boardsies have been in the clink, I'm sure they'll be able to tell us...

stovelid

It's a gentleman's agreement between the authorities and the prisoners so that people can deal drugs and administer non-consensual anal sex under cover of darkness.

Micky Dolenz

chin_grin wrote: »

When the big hand touches the little hand.

That's probably true after lights out.

starbelgrade

How long are you going inside for OP?

Oh_Noes

SafeSurfer wrote: »

does it mean lights/electricity are turned off completely.

Yes.

/thread

Saila

starbelgrade wrote: »

How long are you going inside for OP?

and..you'll soon find out OP

WASP0

...ask Larry Murphy, he's around here somewhere!!!!

chin_grin

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

That's probably true after lights out.

I'll double your entendre......

SafeSurfer

starbelgrade wrote: »

How long are you going inside for OP?

2 and a half years

starbelgrade

SafeSurfer wrote: »

2 and a half years

Ouch. This is what your ring looks like now...

o


This is what it will look like in 2 and half years....

O

SafeSurfer

starbelgrade wrote: »

Ouch. This is what your ring looks like now...

o


This is what it will look like in 2 and half years....

O

In fairness I think the incidence of homosexuality/male rape in prison in an Irish context is relatively small. It is a major problem in the American prison system. That sexual assault of people in care of the state is seen as a laughing matter saddens me. No one would make the same remark to inmates of Industrial Schools in Ireland in the past. The state has a duty of care to those in its custody. After all anyone can end up in prison.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Depends what your going in for op,if its for sex/gang offences you might get protective custody,anything else maybe in general population,besides behave yourself inside and your entitled to some reduction in your sentence


*info gathered from various newspaper articles.

Ricardo G

Why you going to prison OP??

ignorant question i know, but we'd all love to hear the answer:p

SafeSurfer

Ricardo G wrote: »

Why you going to prison OP??

ignorant question i know, but we'd all love to hear the answer:p

Nothing violent drug or perverted related.

Have read dublinshanes account of his time in Mountjoy on Boards and its the only first hand information of experience in the Irish prison system I can find from an inmates point of view.

Ricardo G

Would personally be my worst fear, think i'd skip the country before doing the time

starbelgrade

SafeSurfer wrote: »

That sexual assault of people in care of the state is seen as a laughing matter saddens me.

Anything can be subject of humour. The fact that some people try to ignore that saddens me.

patrickc

in the midlands prison, main lights are turned off i think it's ten ish, but you have electric in your cell after that for your xbox, tv etc etc

SafeSurfer

Ricardo G wrote: »

Would personally be my worst fear, think i'd skip the country before doing the time

I know what you mean. To think I use to like shows like Oz and American's Hardest Prisons. Anyone can end up in a situation where they are facing a prison sentence. It isnt just stereotypical criminals that we read about in papers who end up inside. Think for example if you were driving your girlfriend or boyfriend home, answered the phone crashed killed your passenger convicted of reckless driving causing death. Just an example but decent, ordinarily law abiding citizens, people who you would be happy to look after your house or baby sit your kids can end up on the wrong side of the law and in prison.

SafeSurfer

patrickc wrote: »

in the midlands prison, main lights are turned off i think it's ten ish, but you have electric in your cell after that for your xbox, tv etc etc

Thanks Patrickc

Susannahmia

Xbox? Are you serious?

SafeSurfer

starbelgrade wrote: »

Anything can be subject of humour. The fact that some people try to ignore that saddens me.

I agree, lets hear your jokes about the the rape of people in Industrial schools.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Susannahmia wrote: »

Xbox? Are you serious?

i believe they do get them,wouldn't you be thankful for one if you where locked up in your cell all night?.

its fine for some people say give them bread and water,but not everyone going into the slammer is a scoob,some are jailed for fines or something else silly because there lack of services to deal with some of these people.

patrickc

Susannahmia wrote: »

Xbox? Are you serious?

it's bought yourself, not given to you. you can buy them in the prison shop, with money given to you or the small daily allowance you get can build up. I think it's 3/4 euro per day

Dodd

I stayed in one for a while.
Lights out was 10pm but I was up early every day and wanted the lights out about that time anyway.
The people I stayed with were sound but the food crap.C Block *waves*.
I never stayed there after that for some reason......It could be because of the crap food.
Any updates on how good/bad the food is in the Joy these days.:)

stovelid

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I agree, lets hear your jokes about the the rape of people in Industrial schools.

I made a joke about prison rape too. And to be fair, I would make it again as I don't think a joke in the right context necessarily implies a lack of compassion for serious subjects.

That said, I probably wouldn't have made it had I known your OP was serious and I'm sorry to hear that you have ( by your own admission) fallen on the wrong side of the law for something non-reprehensible and I hope things go as well as they can for you.

SafeSurfer

stovelid wrote: »

I made a joke about prison rape too. And to be fair, I would make it again as I don't think a joke in the right context necessarily implies a lack of compassion for serious subjects.

That said, I probably wouldn't have made it had I known your OP was serious and I'm sorry to hear that you have ( by your own admission) fallen on the wrong side of the law for something non-reprehensible and I hope things go as well as they can for you.

Thanks Stovelid. I don't think that rape is a joking matter whether it is the rape of male prisoners in state care or the rape of our wives, daughters, sisters, girlfriends on Irish streets. The consequnces are the same for the victim.

hinault

Lights out are at 10.00pm.

Each cell though has the option of turning on it's own electricity supply.
Therefore when lights go out, you can choose to leave the light in your cell on.

The problem is that in the Joy you have to share a cell so whether the light remains on or off is subject to you and your cellmate (s).

(the reason I know this btw is because my former next door neighbour is in the Joy).

lab man

when does yer sentance begin hope it goes fast 4 u

Dodd

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I agree, lets hear your jokes about the the rape of people in Industrial schools.

Kids who were sent to Industrial schools most times did nothing to cause them to go there.

Take a joke or you will be messed up when locked up.

You sound like a bitch in that post and if you go on like that inside people will run a much on you.

jimmycrackcorm

Kalani Short Lioness wrote: »

i believe they do get them,wouldn't you be thankful for one if you where locked up in your cell all night?.

its fine for some people say give them bread and water,but not everyone going into the slammer is a scoob,some are jailed for fines or something else silly because there lack of services to deal with some of these people.

Scoobs only get the DS.

charlemont

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Does anyone know what lights out means in the context of Irish prisons. Is there still an electricity supply in the cell so TV can work, can one still read or does it mean lights/electricity are turned off completely. I think lights out time in Irish jails is 10pm.

Ha Most cells have a type of double light, 1 bright white light and a dimmer light with a blue tint, The switches are on the outside so the landing officer will turn them off when he is on his rounds, You have a bright red light outside all cells with a switch inside to light it so that alerts officers if you need them, Normally when the officer is on his rounds he will lift the hatch and ask you about the light, Most cells only use the dimmer light anyway as there would be light from the television. Think the bright light is off by ten.

wnolan1992

hinault wrote: »

Lights out are at 10.00pm.

Each cell though has the option of turning on it's own electricity supply.
Therefore when lights go out, you can choose to leave the light in your cell on.

The problem is that in the Joy you have to share a cell so whether the light remains on or off is subject to you and your cellmate (s).

(the reason I know this btw is because my former next door neighbour is in the Joy).

D'you get a dimmer switch? To set the mood like? :pac:

Tehachapi

SafeSurfer wrote: »

In fairness I think the incidence of homosexuality/male rape in prison in an Irish context is relatively small. It is a major problem in the American prison system. That sexual assault of people in care of the state is seen as a laughing matter saddens me. No one would make the same remark to inmates of Industrial Schools in Ireland in the past. The state has a duty of care to those in its custody. After all anyone can end up in prison.

No not "anyone" can end up in prison. I, nor any of my family or friends have ever been in prison and never will - why? Because we are not criminals.

Please explain how "anyone" can get locked up in prison. Nonsense.

hinault

Tehachapi wrote: »

No not "anyone" can end up in prison. I, nor any of my family or friends have ever been in prison and never will - why? Because we are not criminals.

Please explain how "anyone" can get locked up in prison. Nonsense.

I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you haven't got the funds to pay a court fine.
Otherwise you will be committed to prison.

stovelid

Tehachapi wrote: »

No not "anyone" can end up in prison. I, nor any of my family or friends have ever been in prison and never will - why? Because we are not criminals.

Please explain how "anyone" can get locked up in prison. Nonsense.

Bollocks.

wnolan1992

Tehachapi wrote: »

No not "anyone" can end up in prison. I, nor any of my family or friends have ever been in prison and never will - why? Because we are not criminals.

Please explain how "anyone" can get locked up in prison. Nonsense.

Post #20

Tehachapi

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Post #20

Think for example if you were driving your girlfriend or boyfriend home, answered the phone crashed killed your passenger convicted of reckless driving causing death.

That's reckless driving resulting in the death of someone, due to the driver's stupidity/ignorance and most definitely should be punished. A car is a very dangerous weapon and if people can't respect that, and end up killing people, then they belong in prison.

Ricardo G

Tehachapi wrote: »

That's reckless driving resulting in the death of someone, due to the driver's stupidity/ignorance and most definitely should be punished. A car is a very dangerous weapon and if people can't respect that, and end up killing people, then they belong in prison.

That's obviously why you ride a very high horse

wnolan1992

Tehachapi wrote: »

That's reckless driving resulting in the death of someone, due to the driver's stupidity/ignorance and most definitely should be punished. A car is a very dangerous weapon and if people can't respect that, and end up killing people, then they belong in prison.

I never said they shouldn't be punished. In this instance the person would rightly go to jail. But you asked the OP to explain how anyone could end up in jail, he did in that post. Anyone can make a stupid mistake that could end up costing them their freedom.

Dodd

I can't believe you compare yourself to kids in state care.
If you go into care of the state as a child you can spend (and most times will) many years there.
Take care what you post because many people know others inside and you
might get known and you get there to .................

flas

Tehachapi wrote: »

No not "anyone" can end up in prison. I, nor any of my family or friends have ever been in prison and never will - why? Because we are not criminals.

Please explain how "anyone" can get locked up in prison. Nonsense.

driving in your car on iced over roads, you lose control of your car on the ice, skid and knock someone down, killing them, you go to jail for death caused by dangerous driving, could happen anyone...or another instance, someone comes up to you on a night out, keeps hitting you, boxing you, you, noy wanting to fight back push this person out of your way, they fall backwards, trip and bang their head and die, you go to jail for manslaughter! two instances where you were not setting out to be a criminal but have done wrong in the eyes of the law...

Tehachapi

flas wrote: »

driving in your car on iced over roads, you lose control of your car on the ice, skid and knock someone down, killing them, you go to jail for death caused by dangerous driving, could happen anyone...or another instance, someone comes up to you on a night out, keeps hitting you, boxing you, you, noy wanting to fight back push this person out of your way, they fall backwards, trip and bang their head and die, you go to jail for manslaughter! two instances where you were not setting out to be a criminal but have done wrong in the eyes of the law...

Again those are completely hypothetical situations and thankfully judges are not complete idiots. Huge mitigating circumstances like icy roads or acting in self-defence will not result in custodial sentences. Almost every court case is published in newspapers/media these days - if you could provide me a link to either of those situations actually occuring in reality and the person receiving a prison sentence, I will take back my comments. Otherwise you are completely wrong.

Chuck Stone

What about getting caught with a few pounds of weed? That you were growing in Granny's old greenhouse down the back of the paddock?

Locked up because of a plant that you were growing to help old folks with their aches and pains?

Huh?

Shame on you prohibitionists.

SHAME ON YOU ALL!

Tehachapi

I'm all for marijuana being legalized and taking it out of criminals hands, however you still have to acknowledge that at the moment it's illegal. Disagreeing with a law doesn't entitle you to break it.

Chuck Stone

Tehachapi wrote: »

I'm all for marijuana being legalized and taking it out of criminals hands, however you still have to acknowledge that at the moment it's illegal. Disagreeing with a law doesn't entitle you to break it.

I say that this is an immoral law, perhaps even sadistic, which hurts individuals, families, communities and society.

People who mean no harm to anyone should be left in peace by the agents of the state.

Can you imagine if the obscene spectacle of billions of dollars squandered on the drugs war had been used to educate people about the harm that can be caused by drugs and also used to treat addicts?

okioffice84

Tehachapi wrote: »

Again those are completely hypothetical situations and thankfully judges are not complete idiots. Huge mitigating circumstances like icy roads or acting in self-defence will not result in custodial sentences. Almost every court case is published in newspapers/media these days - if you could provide me a link to either of those situations actually occuring in reality and the person receiving a prison sentence, I will take back my comments. Otherwise you are completely wrong.

You're completely right of course...

Sex assault conviction a miscarriage of justice

MARY CAROLAN
Tue, Apr 28, 2009
A CO GALWAY man has had his conviction for sexually assaulting a young girl more than a decade ago declared a miscarriage of justice following admissions by her that she lied about the alleged offence.
The three-judge Court of Criminal Appeal yesterday certified Michael Feichín Hannon’s 1999 conviction for sexual assault and assault of then 10-year-old Una Hardester was a miscarriage of justice.
Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman, sitting with Mr Justice Daniel Herbert and Mr Justice John MacMenamin, said this was an “alarming and disturbing” case where an entirely innocent man was convicted by a jury and the appeal court was unimpressed by the “wickedness or gravity of what was done”. He said Mr Hannon was entitled to have his good name restored.
The granting of a certificate also means Mr Hannon is entitled to seek compensation from the State.
Ms Hardester had in 2006 admitted her claims were untrue. The appeal court ruled that those admissions amounted to newly discovered facts, rendering the conviction a miscarriage of justice. It rejected the DPP’s argument that a miscarriage should not be certified on grounds of no wrongdoing by the State or its agents.
Mr Justice Hardiman said the issue in the case was very narrow, whether a convicted person, now recognised as having been at all stages innocent of the charges, was entitled to a certificate. The issue was not to be confused with the separate issue of whether only a person whose innocence was recognised as uncontrovertible was entitled to such a certificate.
Mr Hannon (34), Attymon, Athenry, Co Galway, originally from Clifden, received a four-year prison sentence at Galway Circuit Court after being found guilty by a jury of sexually assaulting and assaulting Una Hardester near her then home at Aughrismore, Cleggan, Co Galway in January 1997.
Outside court yesterday, Mr Hannon said he “always maintained my innocence” of the crime of which he was convicted.
“I am very pleased and relieved that my conviction has been quashed and that the court has confirmed I suffered a miscarriage of justice. The day has long been coming.” The last 10 years had been difficult for his family who also had to live with “the stigma” of a conviction for something he did not do, he said.
Mr Hannon said he was “disappointed” that the DPP had “fully resisted” his application for a certificate. “No State agency or department has ever apologised or expressed regret for what happened to me,” he said.
“If what happened to me is not a miscarriage of justice what is? I hope that more care will be taken in the future to ensure that it never happens again.”
Mr Justice Hardiman said this case was unlike any miscarriage of justice of which the court was aware in that the defence had not complained about the Garda investigation or conduct of the trial and Mr Hannon had not appealed.
He said Ms Hardester, now in her 20s and living in the US, had in 2006 made statements to gardaí in Co Galway withdrawing her original complaints against Mr Hannon, admitting these were not true, fabricated and false in their entirety. She said she had decided to come clean after “finding God”.
She also said her motivation for making these allegations was “revenge and misplaced loyalty to my family ” and she now wanted to tell the truth so Mr Hannon’s name could be cleared.
The judge noted the two families lived near each other but fell out in a dispute over land. A few days before her complaint Ms Hardester had been in court with her father, Crofton, who was convicted of assaulting Mr Hannon’s father.
Ms Hardester said she had never come into contact with Mr Hannon at any stage in his life and was never coerced or coached by anyone. She had done something terribly wrong and got away with it, whereas others, especially Mr Hannon, had paid a heavy price.
Ms Hardester also apologised to the State and all other involved in the case for wasting their time and money. Mr Hannon found out about the retractions “by chance” when a member of his family met her in November 2006.
© 2009 The Irish Times

Tehachapi

That was not the example you gave, and absolutely nothing to do with dangerous driving or self defence. I'll quote my post again because you seem to have trouble reading:

if you could provide me a link to either of those situations actually occuring in reality and the person receiving a prison sentence, I will take back my comments.

Still waiting on a link.... or were you talking rubbish?

Hasmunch

Tehachapi wrote: »

No not "anyone" can end up in prison. I, nor any of my family or friends have ever been in prison and never will - why? Because we are not criminals.

Please explain how "anyone" can get locked up in prison. Nonsense.

okioffice84 wrote: »

You're completely right of course...

Sex assault conviction a miscarriage of justice

MARY CAROLAN
Tue, Apr 28, 2009
A CO GALWAY man has had his conviction for sexually assaulting a young girl more than a decade ago declared a miscarriage of justice following admissions by her that she lied about the alleged offence.
The three-judge Court of Criminal Appeal yesterday certified Michael Feichín Hannon’s 1999 conviction for sexual assault and assault of then 10-year-old Una Hardester was a miscarriage of justice.
Mr Justice Adrian Hardiman, sitting with Mr Justice Daniel Herbert and Mr Justice John MacMenamin, said this was an “alarming and disturbing” case where an entirely innocent man was convicted by a jury and the appeal court was unimpressed by the “wickedness or gravity of what was done”. He said Mr Hannon was entitled to have his good name restored.
The granting of a certificate also means Mr Hannon is entitled to seek compensation from the State.
Ms Hardester had in 2006 admitted her claims were untrue. The appeal court ruled that those admissions amounted to newly discovered facts, rendering the conviction a miscarriage of justice. It rejected the DPP’s argument that a miscarriage should not be certified on grounds of no wrongdoing by the State or its agents.
Mr Justice Hardiman said the issue in the case was very narrow, whether a convicted person, now recognised as having been at all stages innocent of the charges, was entitled to a certificate. The issue was not to be confused with the separate issue of whether only a person whose innocence was recognised as uncontrovertible was entitled to such a certificate.
Mr Hannon (34), Attymon, Athenry, Co Galway, originally from Clifden, received a four-year prison sentence at Galway Circuit Court after being found guilty by a jury of sexually assaulting and assaulting Una Hardester near her then home at Aughrismore, Cleggan, Co Galway in January 1997.
Outside court yesterday, Mr Hannon said he “always maintained my innocence” of the crime of which he was convicted.
“I am very pleased and relieved that my conviction has been quashed and that the court has confirmed I suffered a miscarriage of justice. The day has long been coming.” The last 10 years had been difficult for his family who also had to live with “the stigma” of a conviction for something he did not do, he said.
Mr Hannon said he was “disappointed” that the DPP had “fully resisted” his application for a certificate. “No State agency or department has ever apologised or expressed regret for what happened to me,” he said.
“If what happened to me is not a miscarriage of justice what is? I hope that more care will be taken in the future to ensure that it never happens again.”
Mr Justice Hardiman said this case was unlike any miscarriage of justice of which the court was aware in that the defence had not complained about the Garda investigation or conduct of the trial and Mr Hannon had not appealed.
He said Ms Hardester, now in her 20s and living in the US, had in 2006 made statements to gardaí in Co Galway withdrawing her original complaints against Mr Hannon, admitting these were not true, fabricated and false in their entirety. She said she had decided to come clean after “finding God”.
She also said her motivation for making these allegations was “revenge and misplaced loyalty to my family ” and she now wanted to tell the truth so Mr Hannon’s name could be cleared.
The judge noted the two families lived near each other but fell out in a dispute over land. A few days before her complaint Ms Hardester had been in court with her father, Crofton, who was convicted of assaulting Mr Hannon’s father.
Ms Hardester said she had never come into contact with Mr Hannon at any stage in his life and was never coerced or coached by anyone. She had done something terribly wrong and got away with it, whereas others, especially Mr Hannon, had paid a heavy price.
Ms Hardester also apologised to the State and all other involved in the case for wasting their time and money. Mr Hannon found out about the retractions “by chance” when a member of his family met her in November 2006.
© 2009 The Irish Times

You asked for an example and got it.
You were proved WRONG so no need to demand for examples of the hypothetical situations flas offered.

artanevilla

Tehachapi wrote: »

That was not the example you gave, and absolutely nothing to do with dangerous driving or self defence. I'll quote my post again because you seem to have trouble reading:



Still waiting on a link.... or were you talking rubbish?

Have you ever walked across a road not at a pedestrian crossing?