Where to report Forgein Cars that live in the country???

Hightower21

I have recently bought an import from england, paid the VRT and taxed it ect.
Neighbour up the road has a forigen car and works and lives here for at least a year or more. where can I report this car for tax purposes?

BronsonTB

Revenue

Ring your local VRT office. They have inspectors that investigate.

keithclancy

http://www.revenue.ie/en/contact/

Hightower21

keithclancy wrote: »

http://www.revenue.ie/en/contact/

Thanks. will do.

-Corkie-

Your local AGS either would sort it too.

charlemont

Matt Simis

Ring Revenue or ask the Gardai for advise. I dont see why you need to post your Stasi antics on a public Motoring forum. Also its "foreign" and the shift key is on the bottom left. If only your literacy matched your inflated sense of civic duty!

Let he without sin cast the first stone and all that.

Hightower21

Hightower21 wrote: »

I have recently bought an import from england, paid the VRT and taxed it ect.
Neighbour up the road has a forigen car and works and lives here for at least a year or more. where can I report this car for tax purposes?

How about keep your nose out of other peoples business.

sparks24

i hope karma bites you on the ass

MarkR

charlemont wrote: »

He isn't ratting out some poor sod trying to earn a crust. If it's not on irish plates, then vrt (unfair as it may be) hasn't been paid. It's not taxed. It's not nct'd.

Services are being cut left and right, and much as I hate to give the f*ckers the money, if I have to, then so should everybody else.

goodstuff!

Can't beat good old Irish bitterness!:mad:

Blazer

Rivka Easy Galaxy wrote: »

How about keep your nose out of other peoples business.

afraid someone will call you on it as well?

Rivka Easy Galaxy wrote: »

A lot of people do 3 months on 2 months off, people also don't want to spent a big chunk of money at once and would rather spread it over the year. I've never taxed a car for any longer than 3 months at a time.

Hightower21

Rivka Easy Galaxy wrote: »

How about keep your nose out of other peoples business.

Well I forked out the VRT like many people here so why shouldnt they?
I pay way too much car tax over the years.

Im sorry for my spelling! !

NWPat

Snitches get stiches so live and let live.

keithclancy

goodstuff! wrote: »

Can't beat good old Irish bitterness!:mad:

You'd be laughing alright if they crashed into you and it turned out they had no Insurance since ANPR/Gardai can't check foreign plates.

Or charge for tolls, GoSafe Vans don't work, Parking tickets go to la la land .. etc etc

EPM

The next smart ass that has a go off the OP gets a ban. He asked a legitimate question and the keyboard warriors are out in force. If you can't add anything to the discussion bar personal abuse then don't post.

goodstuff!

keithclancy wrote: »

You'd be laughing alright if they crashed into you and it turned out they had no Insurance since ANPR/Gardai can't check foreign plates.

Or charge for tolls, GoSafe Vans don't work, Parking tickets go to la la land .. etc etc

A bit ott there. There would be more chance of me being hit by an uninsured irish reg car!

Sc@recrow

Sc@recrow wrote: »

afraid someone will call you on it as well?

Not at all my car is not on uk plates, anymore.

Dont know why you dug out that quote,I was making a statement that some people do 3 months on 2 months off an that I never taxed a car more than 3 months at a time, doesn't mean I don't go in and tax it again as soon as the 3 months is up.

keithclancy wrote: »

You'd be laughing alright if they crashed into you and it turned out they had no Insurance since ANPR/Gardai can't check foreign plates.

They had no problem asking me for an insurance cert when I was stopped on one occasion, which I produced on the spot and continued on my way after.

coolbeans

Tax evasion pisses me off.

Voodoomelon

With the OP here.

If you can't afford the VRT, whether you agree with it or not (I don't btw), then don't buy the car. Would I report someone for no reason? Not unless they'd done something to me personally. But I hate the whole "flaunting the yellow plate" thing that goes on. "Ach sure i got away with it for 6 months and saved meself €1200". Good man, no NCT or tax and questionable insurance whilst looking over your shoulder for half a year.

Makes people who actually pay the VRT on time out to be gobshítes.

Matt Simis

keithclancy wrote: »

You'd be laughing alright if they crashed into you and it turned out they had no Insurance since ANPR/Gardai can't check foreign plates.

Or charge for tolls, GoSafe Vans don't work, Parking tickets go to la la land .. etc etc

Why make any connection between no tax and no Insurance? This is pure scaremongering. You obviously do not realise the ANPR system currently shows virtually all cars on the road as "no insurance" due to the way the interface with the tax system was rolled out. ANPR isnt some of insurance provider.

I have had about 7 UK reg cars over the last 10 years and various family members too (all VRTed now of course). But the idea of driving around without insurance, just not a factor. Ignoring legality and severity of punishment (rightfully), most people will accept no insurance is an unacceptable risk to them personally.

But I guess your statement is more alarming and therefore effective!

PS: GoSafe vans wont work!? Oh noes my trip to work will be chaos with all these yellow regs zooming about with impunity! Its like Diplomat plates for plebs! :cool:

Voodoomelon

Voodoomelon wrote: »

questionable insurance

Neighbour of mine wrote of a car a while back, was driving it nearly 2 years in Ireland on uk plates and insured with Quinn. Paid out straight away, no hassle.

Padraig Mor

Rivka Easy Galaxy wrote: »

How about keep your nose out of other peoples business.

sparks24 wrote: »

i hope karma bites you on the ass

goodstuff! wrote: »

Can't beat good old Irish bitterness!:mad:

NWPat wrote: »

Snitches get stiches so live and let live.

Given that the insurance status of long term foreign platers is *extremely* questionable, I can understand why the OP is concerned. Have two of them within 200m of my place, both living here 4 years+.

dgt

Is there a possibility that said car is actually road legal in its own country? Taxed tested etc... Just sayin ya know :rolleyes:

Say you have an address in Omagh as well as here. Whats the story then if youre driving round in your car with ni plates down here? Licences, insurance etc... Just wondering...

Not that I agree with vrt dodgers, leaves the rest of us to stump up the differences. What fools we look like registering vehicles while these frontbottoms prance around vrt free as they think :mad: weve imported and registered at least 3 vehicles here in recent times...

Matt Simis

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Given that the insurance status of long term foreign platers is *extremely* questionable, I can understand why the OP is concerned. Have two of them within 200m of my place, both living here 4 years+.

Have you completely missed the fact the OP already said twice that his "concern" was rooted with the understandable though clearly begrudgng fact he paid VRT so he feels personally hard done by?

Had the OP started a thread stating he feels his neighbour represents a dangerous uninsured risk to his fellow road users, the responses would have been entirely different. Dont try to recast what the intentions were here. Go check out your 200meter close tax dodgers and see if they are insured, out of interest. That practice is intolerable (driving uninsured).

Padraig Mor

Matt Simis wrote: »

Why make any connection between no tax and no Insurance? This is pure scaremongering. You obviously do not realise the ANPR system currently shows virtually all cars on the road as "no insurance" due to the way the interface with the tax system was rolled out. ANPR isnt some of insurance provider.

To the very best of my knowledge, no European insurance policy covers the driver to live in another country (generally limited to 30 days at a time IIRC). Given that Revenue now require Irish insurance companies to notify them of cars insured by them on foreign plates for more than 30 days (presumably to send around the VRT guys), it's a pretty safe bet that many/most of those on foreign plates are 'winging it' on foreign policies, if they have any insurance at all.

mikemac

Go for it OP

Revenue will be happy to hear from you and will sort this.

Padraig Mor

Matt Simis wrote: »

Have you completely missed the fact the OP already said twice that his "concern" was rooted with the understandable though clearly begrudgng fact he paid VRT so he feels personally hard done by?

Had the OP started a thread stating he feels his neighbour represents a dangerous uninsured risk to his fellow road users, the responses would have been entirely different. Dont try to recast what the intentions were here. Go check out your 200meter close tax dodgers and see if they are insured, out of interest. That practice is intolerable (driving uninsured).

Of course what's really funny is that many of these people are not liable to pay any VRT in the first place - due to having lived abroad. They just don't want to pay motor tax.

Matt Simis

Padraig Mor wrote: »

To the very best of my knowledge, no European insurance policy covers the driver to live in another country (generally limited to 30 days at a time IIRC). Given that Revenue now require Irish insurance companies to notify them of cars insured by them on foreign plates for more than 30 days (presumably to send around the VRT guys), it's a pretty safe bet that many/most of those on foreign plates are 'winging it' on foreign policies, if they have any insurance at all.

You assume they are foreign nationals for some reason (I assume most yellow regs are Irish people?). Also my understanding is some insurance companies abroad do over long term pan-Euro policies. I think you are just randomly stating things now. As I said, ask those 4 year long guys you mentioned, I would be interested (though shocked) to know if people really did drive for 4 whole years with no insurance.

Hightower21

Thanks for all the comments and advice. I will take them on board! :P

Padraig Mor

Matt Simis wrote: »

Also my understanding is some insurance companies abroad do over long term pan-Euro policies. I think you are just randomly stating things now.

With a home address in a different country to that the policy is issued in? Don't think so.

Matt Simis

Padraig Mor wrote: »

With a home address in a different country to that the policy is issued in? Don't think so.

Ill ask tomorrow, Im sure I was told so by a foreign national type. He bought an Irish car after 6mths as he is a fairly law abiding guy.

CiniO

Padraig Mor wrote: »

To the very best of my knowledge, no European insurance policy covers the driver to live in another country (generally limited to 30 days at a time IIRC).

You are completely wrong here. It's opposite.

Every third party motor insurance in EU covers driving in any EU country for the whole period of policy. That's required by EU directive, which was already put in force into local law of every member state.

In few countries though, you might have problems renewing your policy if you no longer live there. But in others you would have no problems renewing your policy after you are gone and live somewhere else.

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

You are completely wrong here. It's opposite.

Every third party motor insurance in EU covers driving in any EU country for the whole period of policy. That's required by EU directive, which was already put in force into local law of every member state.

In few countries though, you might have problems renewing your policy if you no longer live there. But in others you would have no problems renewing your policy after you are gone and live somewhere else.

No, you indeed have to tell a fib and say your living and resident in the country, they won't renew if they know your no longer resident there.

But yeh, every EU Policy will cover you anywhere in the EU for the term of the policy as long as you didnt take it out under false pretences

CiniO

Hightower21 wrote: »

I have recently bought an import from england, paid the VRT and taxed it ect.
Neighbour up the road has a forigen car and works and lives here for at least a year or more. where can I report this car for tax purposes?

OP just wanted to ask you, how do you know that your neighbour is not doing it legally?
There is plenty of exceptions for VRT.
I advice to take a look at revenue website.

stealthyspeeder

Padraig Mor wrote: »

To the very best of my knowledge, no European insurance policy covers the driver to live in another country (generally limited to 30 days at a time IIRC). Given that Revenue now require Irish insurance companies to notify them of cars insured by them on foreign plates for more than 30 days (presumably to send around the VRT guys), it's a pretty safe bet that many/most of those on foreign plates are 'winging it' on foreign policies, if they have any insurance at all.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

With a home address in a different country to that the policy is issued in? Don't think so.

I think so....

http://www.ecarinsurance.co.uk/helpdesk.php

type 'extended european cover' in and select European cover in the dropdown

check out free european cover (or read below)

All eCar policies (except Short Term Cover) provide cover within the Territorial Limits of the policy throughout the policy year.

This extension is provided for the purpose of travel only.

Your permanent home must be in Great Britain, Northern Ireland or the Isle of Man and must also be your primary residence.

The cover provided within the Territorial Limits is the same level of cover you have in the UK.

Please note, European Breakdown Recovery Assistance is available to purchase as an additional cover on your policy, providing that your vehicle is 8 years old or less, you have comprehensive cover, and you have an Annual Policy (European Breakdown cover is not available on Pay As You Go or Short Term Cover).

Please refer to our on-line policy wording for more details.
View associated FAQs:
What are the territorial limits of the policy?

territorial limits?

What are the territorial limits of the policy?
For all policies except Short Term Cover

The Territorial Limits are as follows:

Great Britain,
Northern Ireland,
Isle of Man,
Channel Islands,
Republic of Ireland,
Andorra,
Austria,
Belgium,
Croatia,
Cyprus,
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Estonia,
France (including Monaco),
Finland,
Germany,
Gibraltar,
Greece,
Hungary,
Iceland,
Italy (including San Marino and the Vatican City),
Latvia,
Liechtenstein,
Lithuania,
Luxembourg,
Malta,
Netherlands,
Norway,
Poland,
Portugal,
Spain,
Sweden,
Switzerland,
Slovakia,
Slovenia,

The above does require your primary residence to be in the UK, however the reality of someone having this type of insurance would be that unless your crashing Lambos into Ferraris the insurance company will pay out it would be a lot of hard work to prove that that your primary address was different to that stated on their certificate. So a white lie yes, but not one that would have any consequence for resident of the republic.

CiniO

keithclancy wrote: »

No, you indeed have to tell a fib and say your living and resident in the country, they won't renew if they know your no longer resident there.

First example I can think of is Poland
Every insurance company will provide you with cover for Polish registered car, no matter what is your country of residence.

Hightower21

CiniO wrote: »

OP just wanted to ask you, how do you know that your neighbour is not doing it legally?
There is plenty of exceptions for VRT.
I advice to take a look at revenue website.

He is a hairdresser. Has worked and lived in town for a number of years. owns the same car with non irish plates. and non uk plates.

will look into it.

CiniO

Hightower21 wrote: »

He is a hairdresser. Has worked and lived in town for a number of years. owns the same car with non irish plates. and non uk plates.

will look into it.

F.E this:

10. Can a State resident drive a foreign registered vehicle for business use?

A State resident can not normally drive a foreign registered vehicle for business use. However, there are a number of exceptional circumstances in which this rule does not apply. Those exceptional circumstances are:-

• A State resident who is employed by an employer established in another Member State may, on application to the Revenue Commissioners, be approved to use a Category A vehicle or a motor-cycle registered in another Member State (either owned or leased by the employer) for business/private use in the State provided
  1. the vehicle is provided as part of the contract of the employment, and
  2. it is used principally for business use outside the State.

Application forms for this temporary exemption are available from any Revenue Office.

• A State resident who is employed by an employer established in another Member State is eligible to use Category B & C vehicles registered in another Member State (either owned or leased by the employer) for business/private use in the State.
• A State resident who is an employee of a car-hire firm established outside the State is allowed to drive a vehicle for the purpose of returning it to the firm after the vehicle was left in the State on expiry of a hire contract.
• In other circumstances where authorised in writing by the Revenue Commissioners.

Maybe your neighbour is employed in addition to being hairdresser here, is employed somewhere abroad as well, and this is his company vehicle.

Padraig Mor

CiniO wrote: »

You are completely wrong here. It's opposite.

Every third party motor insurance in EU covers driving in any EU country for the whole period of policy. That's required by EU directive, which was already put in force into local law of every member state.

In few countries though, you might have problems renewing your policy if you no longer live there. But in others you would have no problems renewing your policy after you are gone and live somewhere else.

Y'know what......you're right.:o From RSA policy:
"We will extend the [third party cover] for vehicles in any Green Card
Country."

However, it still doesn't negate the fact that VRT evasion is illegal

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

I think so....

http://www.ecarinsurance.co.uk/helpdesk.php

type 'extended european cover' in and select European cover in the dropdown

check out free european cover (or read below)



territorial limits?



The above does require your primary residence to be in the UK, however the reality of someone having this type of insurance would be that unless your crashing Lambos into Ferraris the insurance company will pay out it would be a lot of hard work to prove that that your primary address was different to that stated on their certificate. So a white lie yes, but not one that would have any consequence for resident of the republic.

i.e. they do not provide cover if you are living in another country (like Ireland) and they are quite specific in pointing out the cover is for travel purposes only.

dharn

goodstuff! wrote: »

Can't beat good old Irish bitterness!:mad:

bitterness has nothing to do with it if there was a bit more respect for rules and regs in this country we would not be in the mess we are in now

stealthyspeeder

Padraig Mor wrote: »

i.e. they do not provide cover if you are living in another country (like Ireland) and they are quite specific in pointing out the cover is for travel purposes only.

It doesnt say living. It says residency and permanent home.

If you take the Irish revenues view on residency, then a person who's occupational ties are different than their personal ties, is considered to have their primary residency in the country of their personal ties provided they return home regularly.

So if a persons permanent home is in another country (their home in ireland is only temporary due work), the person was unmarried, the person was not using their car for commercial use, the person working in Ireland and returned home reguarly, they would be covered by their insurance and not evading VRT.

Padraig Mor

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

So if a persons permanent home is in another country (their home in ireland is only temporary due work), the person was unmarried, the person was not using their car for commercial use, the person working in Ireland and returned home reguarly, they would be covered by their insurance and not evading VRT.

I think you and I both know that those would be rare cases (and that's even assuming that their policy is valid, which I doubt). One of my tax dodging neighbours (nice girl that she is) is living here for several years with her now husband in the house they've bought. I think it's pretty clear where her permanent home is......

keithclancy

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

It doesnt say living. It says residency and permanent home.

If you take the Irish revenues view on residency, then a person who's occupational ties are different than their personal ties, is considered to have their primary residency in the country of their personal ties provided they return home regularly.

So if a persons permanent home is in another country (their home in ireland is only temporary due work), the person was unmarried, the person was not using their car for commercial use, the person working in Ireland and returned home reguarly, they would be covered by their insurance and not evading VRT.

Occupational Ties vs Personal Ties ???
No, thats not the case.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/residence.html

Who is Resident?

A person is resident for Irish tax purposes if they spend -

1. 183 days in Ireland or
2. 280 days over two years - ie. current and preceding tax year, minimum 30 days in each year.

Up to 31/12/2008 a day for residence purposes was one on which the person was in Ireland at midnight. From 1/1/2009 a day for residence purposes is one on which the person is in Ireland at any time in a day.

Same rules across the board, even though I had a German address my 3 days per week working at my secondary residence meant I needed to have a Dutch registered car as I only spent 144 days in Germany in the year, so for tax purposes my primary residence was the Netherlands with my secondary in Germany.

I could leave a Dutch registered Car at a Holiday home in Ireland for years and only use it when I visit Ireland and thats perfectly fine.

You can work and live in Ireland for under 183 days in the year and not be resident.

You cannot work and live in Ireland for over 183 days and not be resident.

stealthyspeeder

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I think you and I both know that those would be rare cases (and that's even assuming that their policy is valid, which I doubt). One of my tax dodging neighbours (nice girl that she is) is living here for several years with her now husband in the house they've bought. I think it's pretty clear where her permanent home is......

Not as rare as you think, I personally know of 5 people who fit this category.
In that case, if she is married, the country of the marital residence is taken as the country of personal ties, so she fails and is not exempt on this count.

keithclancy wrote: »

Occupational Ties vs Personal Ties ???
No, thats not the case.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/residence.html




Same rules across the board, even though I had a German address my 3 days per week working at my secondary residence meant I needed to have a Dutch registered car as I only spent 144 days in Germany in the year, so for tax purposes my primary residence was the Netherlands with my secondary in Germany.

I could leave a Dutch registered Car at a Holiday home in Ireland for years and only use it when I visit Ireland and thats perfectly fine.

You can work and live in Ireland for under 183 days in the year and not be resident.

You cannot work and live in Ireland for over 183 days and not be resident.

Your not in Germany or Holland now, and were not taking about income tax (to which those residency rules apply).

VRT is treated differently (same site )

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/temporary-exemption-foreign-registered.html

TouchingVirus

CiniO wrote: »

F.E this:

Maybe your neighbour is employed in addition to being hairdresser here, is employed somewhere abroad as well, and this is his company vehicle.

Up to Revenue to figure this out with the other guy, not up the OP to figure it out before reporting it as a potential fraud case.

keithclancy

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Your not in Germany or Holland now, and were not taking about income tax (to which those residency rules apply).

VRT is treated differently (same site )

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/leaflets/temporary-exemption-foreign-registered.html

Actually the rules fall under the same EU Directive:

The rules regarding normal residency are in line with the EU Directives in this regard, especially Directive 83/182/EEC

IRELAND

- Motor vehicle excise duties (Finance (Excise Duties) (Vehicles) Act 1952 as amended, and Section 94, Finance Act 1973 as amended)

NETHERLANDS

- Motorrijtuigenbelasting (wet op de motorrijtuigenbelasting 21 juli 1966, Stb 332 - wet van 18 december 1969/Stb 548)

"Normal residence " means the place where a person usually lives (for at least 185 days each year) because of personal or occupational ties.


Wherever you live for 185 days a year.

This is standard, Primary residence, i.e. where my partner lives, or where its declared in the case where you have none.

Its not your mum and dads house.

stealthyspeeder

keithclancy wrote: »

Actually the rules fall under the same EU Directive:

The rules regarding normal residency are in line with the EU Directives in this regard, especially Directive 83/182/EEC

"Normal residence " means the place where a person usually lives (for at least 185 days each year) because of personal or occupational ties.


Wherever you live for 185 days a year.

This is standard, Primary residence, i.e. where my partner lives, or where its declared in the case where you have none.

Its not your mum and dads house.

I suggest you read article 7 of Directive 83/182/EEC more closely.

The Key difference here is the exemption which is on the rules in relation to VRT and not to income tax.

If a person's occupational ties are in a different country from his/her personal ties, then the country of personal ties is taken as the normal residence provided the person returns there regularly.

This makes sense in relation to transport. As it would be expected that the means of transport which is also the object of taxation, should not put a person in a ridiculous double taxation siuation wherby they are contrivening their home countries motor taxations rules by returning home.

Im afraid you are wrong with the simplistic statement of

"Not your Mum and Dads house"

Family links, such as parents are recognised personal ties, as are siblings and marital partners and children.

If you live with your partner it does not affect your status unless you are married or have children (article 9 in Directive 83/182/EEC )

fasttalkerchat

You're as sour as last weeks milk. I hope you get caught out yourself someday if that's the sorta thing you would do to someone else

Beta Ray Bill

OP is 100% correct to report this.

The Law is the Law. It's that simple.

At a time when services are being slashed, people are losing their jobs (1000 jobs were put on the line today @ MBNA) and the country is in a huge amount of debt.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, caught evading tax should be hit with the book.

I know some people here are very against VRT, I myself think the TAX is a complete rip off. However if I have been forced to pay it, everyone else will have to pay it too.

If you can't "afford" the VRT then you cant afford the car, simple as.

stealthyspeeder

grahambo wrote: »

OP is 100% correct to report this.

The Law is the Law. It's that simple.

The OP may or may not be in a position to ascertain with 100% certainty that the person is not exempt.

Im sure someone who was legally exempt (while being able to deal with officials who would investigate) would take a very dim view of the OP for the hassle.

On a more personal note, the OP's sudden interest in the reporting people has come about because he has had to pay and he begrudges those who have not had to/do not have to. I have found I have very little common ground with individuals who behave in this way (regardless of whether the topic is VRT, regular tax or any other negative personal instance), I tend to avoid them as much as possible.