Bullying

Scanlas The 2nd

Quote from 50 cent "The kid in the playground least willing to fight will be the kid that gets beaten up".

Words of wisdom, words of stupidity or words of obviousness? What do you think?

stupidusername

Doesn't mean that kid deserves to be beaten up

arybvtcw0eolkf

Bullying doesn't have to be physical, it can be denying a kids their friends, slagging (including social network sites), snide remarkd etc.

Unwillingness to fight would be just one factor.

Penn

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Quote from 50 cent "The kid in the playground least willing to fight will be the kid that gets beaten up".

Words of wisdom, words of stupidity or words of obviousness? What do you think?

Hasn't he been shot 9 times?

Scanlas The 2nd

Barrington wrote: »

Hasn't he been shot 9 times?

Not in the playground.

mackg

Barrington wrote: »

Hasn't he been shot 9 times?

Yup, he has taken more shots to the face than your mother.

FatherLen

50 pence is a shit rapper.

Penn

mackg wrote: »

Yup, he has taken more shots to the face than your mother.

Though, not as many as your mother. In fact, he'd have to be shot with a Gatling gun to even get to half that figure

Bipolar Joe

Two parts stupidity, one part obviousness. I was bullied a lot until I snapped, then I was just avoided.

stupidusername

Carmen Thoughtless Comet wrote: »

Bullying doesn't have to be physical, it can be denying a kids their friends, slagging (including social network sites), snide remarkd etc.

:eek: is that what me and kya are doing to you!?

Guill

I was bullied in school, only beaten up once, that wasn't too bad. The years of fear and verbal abuse made my life hell.

50 cent don't know shít bout shít.

mackg

Barrington wrote: »

Though, not as many as your mother. In fact, he'd have to be shot with a Gatling gun to even get to half that figure

In fairness tis true but it would be very close if yours didn't insist on nearly every fella that calls over blowing their load in that 5 gallon drum she keeps in the corner, What does she plan to do with it when it's full anyway?

Penn

mackg wrote: »

In fairness tis true but it would be very close if yours didn't insist on nearly every fella that calls over blowing their load in that 5 gallon drum she keeps in the corner, What does she plan to do with it when it's full anyway?

Oh no. Your wit has bested me. Curses!

Napper Hawkins

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Quote from 50 cent "The kid in the playground least willing to fight will be the kid that gets beaten up".

Words of wisdom, words of stupidity or words of obviousness? What do you think?

He's not wrong, but there's way more to it than that.

Plenty of popular, non bullied kids wouldn't be able to handle being in a fight either if it came down to it.

wandatowell

50 Cent.................. load of crap, both he and his stupid rap music


Kill this motherfcukin thread motherfcuker

cosmicfart

50 cent is killa dog he keeps it fo real from the ol sckool playaground shíte wer it all began back the day WORD

arybvtcw0eolkf

stupidusername wrote: »

:eek: is that what me and kya are doing to you!?

Well I'm waiting for the physical abuse from you :P

I might even pay a small fee!.

stupidusername

Carmen Thoughtless Comet wrote: »

Well I'm waiting for the physical abuse from you :P

I might even pay a small fee!.

you know my rates :cool:

arybvtcw0eolkf

stupidusername wrote: »

you know my rates :cool:

My soul is yours :cool:

stupidusername

Carmen Thoughtless Comet wrote: »

My soul is yours :cool:

\o/

anyway, ahem, back on topic, I was bullied in school, over my hair of all things, and I never stood up for myself. i don't know if it's because of that or that and other environmental factors, but I definitely don't like confrontation now. I avoid it as much as possible. I read about some cases of bullying in another forum here and in a way it was great to see so many people that have taken it in another way, to always stand up for themselves, and not take **** from anyone.

Napper Hawkins

It's been said over and over again and it's easier said than done but, smacking your bully a good hard box (preferably in front of others) can work wonders.

Did for me.

Bipolar Joe

What about if you're a complete weakling?

The King of Moo

That's generally not the reason kids start bullying other kids. Usually it's just because they're different in some way or a "nerd." But if a kid doesn't fight the bully once the bully's begun, obviously the bully's more likely to continue.

However, we sometimes get romantic notions of standing up to bullies. Not that it can't work, but if a big guy is picking on a scrawny kid, there's probably not a great deal the little kid can do with a punch.

As others have said, the bullies aren't often physically tough. These days especially, with the numerous ways bullies can pick on kids without being physically near them, fighting is less of an issue in terms of bullying.

Also: 50 cent + words of wisdom ≠ sense.

Scanlas The 2nd

The King of Moo wrote: »

That's generally not the reason kids start bullying other kids. Usually it's just because they're different in some way or a "nerd." But if a kid doesn't fight the bully once the bully's begun, obviously the bully's more likely to continue.

However, we sometimes get romantic notions of standing up to bullies. Not that it can't work, but if a big guy is picking on a scrawny kid, there's probably not a great deal the little kid can do with a punch.

As others have said, the bullies aren't often physically tough. These days especially, with the numerous ways bullies can pick on kids without being physically near them, fighting is less of an issue in terms of bullying.

Also: 50 cent + words of wisdom ≠ sense.

Would a bully not prefer a weakling who doesn't fight back to a weakling who does fight back?

I wouldn't be so certain about 50 cent being a moron, don't judge a book by it's cover. He appears to be a shrewd business man if you dig deeper.

The King of Moo

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Would a bully not prefer a weakling who doesn't fight back to a weakling who does fight back?

I wouldn't be so certain about 50 cent being a moron, don't judge a book by it's cover. He appears to be a shrewd business man if you dig deeper.

I'll put my hands up and admit I'm no expert on 50 cent, I'm just going by the odd tweet of his I've come across. But he has to have at least some brains to get where he is I suppose.

Some bullies might prefer a weakling who doesn't fight back, but I can imagine if the kid poses no physical threat it probably wouldn't matter to them.
In fact, I can imagine bullies deliberately picking on a weak kid they know will try to fight back, as they could get a good laugh out of his attempts.
I think what's more important in selecting a target is that they're weaklings, not that they'll fight back or not.

LisaLee

Bullies are cowards, any time that one tried to create hassle for me, a sharp collection of choice words or a dig would stop them in their tracks. The lowest of the low imo.

Whispered

If a "sharp collection of words" stopped a bully in his or her tracks anytime they tried to create hassle, then I'm sorry but you were not being bullied. There is a huge difference between someone trying to bully you and someone actually bullying you. It takes a hell of a lot to stand up to someone who is bullying you. I mean real proper bullying, not the usual playground crap that goes on.

stupidusername

Whispered wrote: »

If a "sharp collection of words" stopped a bully in his or her tracks anytime they tried to create hassle, then I'm sorry but you were not being bullied. There is a huge difference between someone trying to bully you and someone actually bullying you. It takes a hell of a lot to stand up to someone who is bullying you. I mean real proper bullying, not the usual playground crap that goes on.

it's not very nice to belittle what someone went through just because it mightn't fit in with the definition of 'bullying'

Whispered

But the thread is entitled bullying

Bullying is repeated instances of things happening, usually over a long period of time. One exchange is not bullying. It could be attempted by a bully, but if you can stop it immediately then you're not a "victim of bullying" so to speak. I think the term bullying gets thrown around a lot and is a much more serious issue. Kind of like someone feels a bit sad and they say they're depressed if you know what I mean. It just dilutes the seriousness of people who are actually depressed.

I guess what I'm trying to say - bullying does not mean one or two heated exchanges. I apologise if it came across as belittling, hopefully the above clarifies.:)

EDIT: Just wanted to ad - couldn't it be said that suggesting all you need to do is stand up to a bully is belittling what victims actually go through?

Bipolar Joe

In my experience, any collection of words in any order results in a belt in the face. Were you bullied in an after school special?

pragmatic1

It depends on the situation. In general its better to nip it in the bud as quickly as possible. Bullies tend to be insecure people.

stovelid

I guess the best way to get people to stop bullying you is to frighten them but it's hardly a sound piece of advice for most kids. If you're not hard, you'll probably just invite a worse beating by trying to do something you' re not capable of. At the end of the day, there will always be harder people than you.

It's crap for parents: part of you wants your kids to stand up for themselves but the other (bigger) part doesn't want them fighting, whether for the risk of it or the idea that everything can be solved by having a scrap. Plus it's unfair to make a kid feel that they have to fight back if they're not tough as it's like setting a macho test that they will be traumatized at failing.

I think I'll be enrolling my boys in self-defense classes as kids. Hopefully that they can learn to defend themselves but also to realize that fighting is not always the way to deal with things.

Whispered

stovelid wrote: »

Plus it's unfair to make a kid feel that they have to fight back if they're not tough as it's like setting a macho test that they will be traumatized at failing.
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I agree so much with this - it's unfair to make a child (or an adult too I suppose) feel as if they could sort it all out if only they were strong/hard/witty/brave enough.

stovelid

Whispered wrote: »

I agree so much with this - it's unfair to make a child (or an adult too I suppose) feel as if they could sort it all out if only they were strong/hard/witty/brave enough.

Yeah, the idea that every bully is completely weak and that all any kid (of any level of toughness) has to do is to belt them is a little bit Hollywood.

The King of Moo

stovelid wrote: »

Yeah, the idea that every bully is completely weak and that all any kid (of any level of toughness) has to do is to belt them is a little bit Hollywood.

Absolutely. I think the old cliché that all bullies are cowards is more true of adult bullies, but on the playground it's often down to a herd mentality, impressing others or simply enjoying bullying.

Though I was never really personally bullied, most of the kids at my schools who did bully others were generally popular and lacking in the troubled childhoods or poor academic performance and subsequent low self-esteem that some people imagine causes people to become bullies.
They just did it for kicks, I don't think they ever really did it to maintain their dominance over the uncool kids, as their was never any real need to do that, as the cool kids were always the cool kids and that never really changed despite the fact that most of the cool kids didn't bully anyone.

tan11ie

I really feel for kids growing up in this day and age.Last week i was told how a gang of eight year olds attacked another lad same age and reordered it on their phone to show everyone.The age of technology has it's down sides.:(

The matter was dealt with by all the kids parents and the recording deleted, but the humiliation and fear that poor little fella must be feeling.My heart goes out to him.

Monty Burnz

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Two parts stupidity, one part obviousness. I was bullied a lot until I snapped, then I was just avoided.

The snapping part handily explains why you dipped your penis into a guy's drink when you were working in a fast food dump.

pragmatic1

tan11ie wrote: »

I really feel for kids growing up in this day and age.Last week i was told how a gang of eight year olds attacked another lad same age and reordered it on their phone to show everyone.The age of technology has it's down sides.:(

The matter was dealt with by all the kids parents and the recording deleted, but the humiliation and fear that poor little fella must be feeling.My heart goes out to him.

I think its less brutal than it used to be. There were fights every day in my national and secondary school.

stupidusername

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I think its less brutal than it used to be. There were fights every day in my national and secondary school.

it may be less brutal, but it's probably more constant. i mean i got a break when i went home, but children now are on every social network, so probably have it everywhere they look.

It wasn't me!

Part of it is the development of confidence. In my first primary school, I was bullied constantly, can't even remember the origin of it, and it wasn't something I knew how to deal with, so I was confused and would just let it happen and I was miserable. Then I moved when I was 9 or 10, and in a new environment, I found out that these people didn't automatically bully me, for whatever reason, and I got to play rugby, and I wasn't bad at it, and I got some praise and started to develop confidence. Of course, not everyone will ever like you, so naturally there were still plenty of snide remarks and exchanges, and even a smack or two thrown, but now I could respond, and it was automatic that I wouldn't take it lying down like I did before. Come secondary school, there's always going to be more tension, and indeed, there were more conflicts between people everywhere, and I was no exception, but I was able to assume that I wasn't the problem and could assert myself, regardless of the source of belittlement or scorn. A change of environment and discovering that I was good at things gave me the confidence I needed. Bullying is a product of the culprit and the victim. If one or other isn't predisposed to the relationship, it can't happen. I've since met the people who bullied me in my old school at several stages since and not one of them has any hold over me anymore. Now, maybe it's just because we're all much older, but it wasn't that long after I left that I first ran into them again, and they had nothing on me. It's a horrible thing to undergo, but the answer is to change yourself so that they can't bully you, in my experience. Not everyone can be a victim.

Bipolar Joe

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The snapping part handily explains why you dipped your penis into a guy's drink when you were working in a fast food dump.

Which in turn may explain the avoidance. And so we come full circle.

Sea Sharp

"The kid in the playground least willing to fight will be the kid that gets beaten up"

It's a good observation.
Bullys tend to focus their sadistic inclinations on the person for which there'll be the least consequences, AKA the easiest person to 'put in their place'.
Bullying is not just a phenomenon exclusive to children and teenagers. What usually happens is that bullies get smarter and better at covering their tracks as they get older. They replace childish name-calling and physical intimidation with social ostracisation and disproportionate aggression.

LisaLee

Whispered wrote: »

If a "sharp collection of words" stopped a bully in his or her tracks anytime they tried to create hassle, then I'm sorry but you were not being bullied. There is a huge difference between someone trying to bully you and someone actually bullying you. It takes a hell of a lot to stand up to someone who is bullying you. I mean real proper bullying, not the usual playground crap that goes on.

I wasn't bullied, but I had friends at school who were. If I was around when the bullies started up etc then I'd step in and cut them down to size. It was no use telling the teacher what had happened, one teacher told us to "Go sort it out between yourselves." So we did.

If anything I got off lightly, other people I know weren't as fortunate.

I feel worse for young people today who are being bullied as there are more mediums in which the bully can get to them.

Dudess

Sometimes I suspect the "Bullies are cowards/unhappy/insecure" stuff is just said to sugarcoat reality - sure, no doubt these statements can be true, but there are some bullies who are none of the above, and are simply *****.

Knex*

Always found that whenever someone thought they had something over me and tried mocking me or putting me down, that taking no **** off them from the start was the best form of action.

Remember one day in secondary school some lad goes "Shut up ya foxy fúcker" after I answered a question. Turned around in the middle of class and went "How can you talk with that fat head? I'd rather lick **** off roadkill than have to look at you again".
Earned me 3 days detention but shít like that in secondary school earns you near legendary status (for a week )

Being aggressive with my put-downs but also smiling away and laughing off whatever they said(tbh I usually get good banter out of slaggings etc even if they are serious) usually meant they'd move onto their next target.

Edit: I am aware that this isn't bullying but its something that I feel could of led to it if I had let it slide and been seen as a weak/easy target.

hondasam

Bullies are insecure people who need to dominate and control others.
They say things to intentionally hurt another person in order to make themselves feel better.
Most bullies don't understand or care about the feelings of others.
Bullies have low self-confidence and low self-esteem which makes them feel insecure.

Mapck

I'm not too late right? Nobody has posted Zangief Kid yet?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/zangief-kid#.TkouEGuwWJI

I went to a complete knacker school but the odd thing was there was very little bullying. There were fights but never anything prolonged. If anyone was a target it should have been me: small, weak, intelligent, an excellent judge of character, avoided drawing attention to myself, read during class, I knew the word arrogant in 1st class. I'm not sure why there was never any bullying, it seemed like everyone in the class was one big family (hence the relationships) and I was their distant cousin from another Country who barely understood their language and when I found out that I wasn't related I never talked to them again.

Scanlas The 2nd

tan11ie wrote: »

I really feel for kids growing up in this day and age.Last week i was told how a gang of eight year olds attacked another lad same age and reordered it on their phone to show everyone.The age of technology has it's down sides.:(

The matter was dealt with by all the kids parents and the recording deleted, but the humiliation and fear that poor little fella must be feeling.My heart goes out to him.

I feel sorry for the kids who grew up 200 years ago. They have things pretty good these days.