The difference between Mock Results and Exam results. Survey.

partyatmygaff

It's an extremely common question. Do people generally speaking go up or down in points between the Mocks and the actual Exams?

I don't know and neither do most people so i've taken the liberty to create a survey to see what the general trend is. Just enter how many points you achieved in the Mock and how many points you achieved in the real thing and the spreadsheet will do all the rest.

Regardless of when you sat your LC you're welcome to participate. Repeats should put in all sets of results and not just their best.

Survey form
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dGE0ajFfdk5heFB6R2FaU1lXendBeEE6MQ#gid=2

Data and Statistics
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjdswhIupxjadGE0ajFfdk5heFB6R2FaU1lXendBeEE&hl=en_US


Feel free to share the survey.

dambarude

Good idea partyatmygaff. I did mine in 08, will I put in mine?

partyatmygaff

Go ahead

partyatmygaff

Currently I have the spreadsheet generating the following statistics

Mean points achieved in Mock
Mean points achieved in Exam
Mean numerical change in points
Mean percentage change in points
Standard deviation in change in points
Largest increase in points
Largest decrease in points
Most common trend (Increase, Decrease or No Change)

Anything i'm missing? I'd say that's about all the useful information that can be gotten out of a survey like this but if anyone has any suggestions i'm all ears.

plein de force

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Currently I have the spreadsheet generating the following statistics

Mean points achieved in Mock
Mean points achieved in Exam
Mean numerical change in points
Mean percentage change in points
Standard deviation in change in points
Largest increase in points
Largest decrease in points
Most common trend (Increase, Decrease or No Change)

Anything i'm missing? I'd say that's about all the useful information that can be gotten out of a survey like this but if anyone has any suggestions i'm all ears.

partyatmygaff, do you miss doing maths or something?:p
good idea, i'll make my contribution wednesday or thursday when i'll have the results:o

partyatmygaff

I don't hate Maths... just Maths exams

**Timbuk2**

Good idea - very nice spreadsheet/Excel work there!

So far I have the largest decrease in points of 40

you beat me to this

Carsinian Thau

Going to add mine in a min (they're from 07, hope they're still ok).

I had a decrease of 5 points between mocks and actual LC.

Carsinian Thau

Mainly increases so far (which I guess is to be expected). Thankfully the decreases don't appear to be overly severe.

Well done to whoever went from mock 110 to actual 335! A 204.5% increase is bloody brilliant.

dambarude

So far it's a very skewed sample... the mean actual LC points is 505, which is high. You probably won't get a very representative sample from users of this forum tbh.

flyaway.

Cool idea. I'll add mine next week!

**Timbuk2**

I'm probably very wrong about this, but isn't it impossible to get 595, as somebody has increased their points to?

How did somebody go from 400 to 300

vDarr

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

I'm probably very wrong about this, but isn't it impossible to get 595, as somebody has increased their points to?

My thoughts exactly :rolleyes:

spurious

There are a lot of variables at work here.

• If your mocks were from the usual mock companies, there is no guarantee they were set to a Leaving Cert. standard.
• The marking of the mocks is well known to be in many cases a bit suss.
• The effort someone put in to each set of exams could vary greatly.
• It's possible some schools had not completed the courses by the time the mocks were scheduled.

The bottom line is that all things being equal, candidates get what they deserve. Those who worked, read the question carefully and answered the questions will do well. Those who chanced their arm, learned off pre-prepared answers and tried to jam them into the questions asked will be relying on good luck to favour them.

dambarude

^^ Agreed. It'll still be interesting to see though.

AnneElizabeth

Great idea!

The decreases are scaring me though :S Did those of you who got large decreases just panic for the actual LC?

randylonghorn

AnneElizabeth wrote: »

Great idea!

The decreases are scaring me though :S Did those of you who got large decreases just panic for the actual LC?

Or perhaps some sought out hints for the mocks?

**Timbuk2**

AnneElizabeth wrote: »

Great idea!

The decreases are scaring me though :S Did those of you who got large decreases just panic for the actual LC?

I got a large decrease - it definitely wasn't to do with panic, I think it's partly because I knew some of the questions that were coming up for the mocks (:o) and because I scored much higher than I needed for my courses, I 'relaxed' a bit too much in the run up to the actual thing.

Corruptedmorals

I put in mine from 2007. Definitely were going for the scare tactics that mocks company, I KNEW I could do better than the mocks by a long shot- increased by 140 points and English went from a C1 to A1. And I didn't drastically increase in brainpower either.

partyatmygaff

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

I'm probably very wrong about this, but isn't it impossible to get 595, as somebody has increased their points to?

I've removed the invalid entry.


Sorry for the delay, i've been a bit busy.


Edit: I'm surprised at how large some of the increases are. Someone went up 225 points or in other words 204.5%! Very impressive.

partyatmygaff

Bump for the big day.

Adding in my entry now.

445 - 470

partyatmygaff

565-555



I'm going to appeal two subjects and hopefully at least get a no change if not an increase.

LC2010HIS

LC 2010 - 310
PRE 2011 - 315 - failed french
LC 2011 - 400


Holy moley !?!?!?:eek::eek::eek::eek::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

floutingmaxims

Mocks: I didnt sit my biology,only sat one half of my maths, failed geog and history.. Got in and around 180

Real LC: Cant be arsed posting all grades(again) but got 355 :L Happy days!

flyaway.

Just added mine

monaghanman10

560 in mocks 555 in real thing.

Shreddingblood

Mocks - 445
Real Deal - 535

orlabobs

I think - I did mine last year so hard to remember mock results - but I think I got 355 points - But - I failed maths....
In the real thing I got 460 and got a C3 in maths (ol)

conlufc

went from 110 in da mocks to 345 today. happy out now.:D
Bring on tonight!!

Seaner1878

Mocks 405
Real Deal 380

25 points less?..I can't say im terribly disappointed though..

Faunge

Mocks 510
Leaving cert 515

AgathaK

Mocks 480, real LC 510.

xclw

Mocks 430
Real 445

disappointed cos i went from an A in Irish To a B3

rainbowtrout

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

I'm probably very wrong about this, but isn't it impossible to get 595, as somebody has increased their points to?

If you got 5 A1s and a B3 in honours maths and were applying to UL using their bonus points for maths you would get 500 and 75+20 (bonus) = 595

I'm sure there are other combinations as well, but it is possible but only for UL

fulhamfanincork

went from 315 to 415. i know 415 is well below the average but sure it got my course and i didn't do too much work so i can't complain

partyatmygaff

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

went from 315 to 415. i know 415 is well below the average but sure it got my course and i didn't do too much work so i can't complain

415 is 110 above the national average. There aren't enough entries in the survey yet to get an accurate national mean.

You had twice the average increase though. Well done.

fulhamfanincork

partyatmygaff wrote: »

415 is 110 above the national average. There isn't enough entires in the survey yet to get an accurate national mean.

You had twice the average increase though. Well done.

is it?

cheers man, hope everything went ok for you as well.

bis in ucc is what it looks like i'll be doing

Sunny!!

exact same in pre as in real thing 340

LC2010HIS

Shreddingblood wrote: »

Mocks - 445
Real Deal - 535

WELL DONE:)

Fireball07

I went up by 65 (470 to 535)

gruffler91

510 to 530

Gav77

Went up 95

Thought i was going to go down:eek:

Manc Red

I went up 40 points.

brownlad

520>560 .

DaBomb

Mocks-450
Leaving-460

Sparticle

Mocks 560.
Leaving 585.

Reflected the increased effort in my case.

Shreddingblood

LC2010HIS wrote: »

WELL DONE:)

Thanks dude.

I'd be lying if I said I achieved this through hard work and effort. Did late night cramming for all of the tests and it paid off. My advice would be : You can doss in class if you do the homework.

Wonderstruck

I got exactly the same results in the mocks and the Leaving actually! 450! :P
My grades flew about the place, but I got the same number in the end!

I thought it would go up as I was 2% of the higher grade in the mock in English (or something really minor like that, my memory isn't that perfect), but I ended up with the same grade. *le sigh*