Tipperary V Dublin 2011 AI Semi-Final

daniels.ducks

Just to get the sliothar rolling...

Will Brendan Maher start?

How will Ryan O'Dwyer react to playing a major c'ship game against his native county?

What will the outcome be?

Fandango

Have to be realistic on this one and just hope it isnt all one way traffic. Cant see any way, even with lady luck on our shoulder on the day, that we can come out victorious here. I suppose if Tipp have an off day and we have a spectacular day it certainly isnt impossible (just to contradict my first sentance ) but incredibly unlikely. Another couple of years and we may or may not be up to that standard but not yet imo.

dcr22B

Tipp might as well not bother turning up, we'll be sending them back down the M7/M8 with their tail between their legs :P

Seriously though, it's a shame from a Dubs perspective that we've so many vital players missing through injury (Brady, Hiney, Keaney, Trainor, Gough and Tracey) as I think we'd have given Tipp a right good rattle. We're in bonus territory now and I'd be happy if we're within 6/7 points of Tipp come the final whistle.

DoctaDee

dcr22B wrote: »

Tipp might as well not bother turning up, we'll be sending them back down the M7/M8 with their tail between their legs :P

Seriously though, it's a shame from a Dubs perspective that we've so many vital players missing through injury (Brady, Hiney, Keaney, Trainor, Gough and Tracey) as I think we'd have given Tipp a right good rattle. We're in bonus territory now and I'd be happy if we're within 6/7 points of Tipp come the final whistle.

Agree completely .. we'll have to wait a while longer, to in any way rattle Tipp, would have been nice to have our 1st choice backline starting. A Tipp mate of mine told me ... there's no easy way to say this, but Tipp are going to tear into them from the off .. probably put a decent score on in the 1st 20 mins and then glide home. This really could be any score for Tipp if they put their mind to it .. a successful result for us would be anything less than 10 points (but that might be down to Tipp rather than us)... a really big walloping wouldn't serve either team

premierstone

daniels.ducks wrote: »

Just to get the sliothar rolling...

Will Brendan Maher start?

How will Ryan O'Dwyer react to playing a major c'ship game against his native county?

What will the outcome be?

From What I have heard from withim the camp, Brendan wont be starting, which slightly worries and suprises me.

Ryan O'Dwyer is a very committed, honest and physical hurler, but he is not a 'summer hurler' if you will and in Paraic Maher and Paul Curran will more than meet hes match physically, I would worry more about Liam Rushe, Dotsy and Paul Ryan tbh.

The outcome is difficult to predict, I think Tipp will win but the margin could be anything from very tight to a cakewalk, the respective attitude of both teams will determine the margin, some Tipp players may be sub-conciously holding back in fear of been injured, others may have allowed themselves to believe its a gimme and in hurling this is very dangerous as if you are not right mentally at the start of a game it is very hard to turn it on half way through.

This possibility added to the fact that there is no real pressure on Dublin, they have achieved everything they set out to at the start of the year and more, a national title, Leinster finalists and now AI semi-finalists, so reallly they are in bonus territory and should be able to hurl with the freedom that this can bring.

I have seen too many Tipp teams down through the years that were ''certainties'' get overturned to take any game for granted, but I do feel this current Tipp team have that little something special about them and the likes of Cummins, Curran, O'Mahoney, Corbett and the mecurial Master Kelly have been around long enough and seen enough to not afford any opponent the respect they deserve, and for that reason I expect Tipp to see the job through.

LostBoy101

Dublin played very well this year and this is their best season in a long time and I have a positive feeling Dublin Hurling will be up there with The Cats' and Tipp's standard of hurling.

No matter what the score margin is, we will never give up.

corny

A friend of mine was in earshot of Anthony Daly and he said as long as fellas go out and leave nothing behind them he'll be happy. While Kilkenny are a top side too many Dublin players sat back and admired them in the Leinster final. Think that won't happen again and despite the injuries Dublin will give a good account of themselves. They'll still finish second best though. Tipp by 7.

OAOB

From a Tipp perspective a good competitive game is exactly whats needed at this stage of the championship and i'd reckon Dublin are well able to give them a challenge. Unfortunately for Dublin some of their key players are injured and Tipp have a full panel to choose from and for that reason alone i can't see any way Dublin will win this one but for that team it will be a valuable experience and should stand to them next year.
From a personal perspective a Tipp win and a good performance from Dublin would be the best result

hurlingmad81

the fact that the pressure off dublin for first game in championship this year ..people were even tippin them in leinster final, and the lack of mental baggage that would be there with kk, means they'll go out and hurl with pure abandon, will take the game to tipp in a positive way (unlike waterford who only wanted to limit damage v kk). coupled with fact that tipp havent been tested yet, and will have had 5 weeks since a game, and the fact that it'll be next to near impossible to hit highs of munster final mean, it'll be a much better semi in my opinion. but the injuries are too much and tipp should win by between 7-10 pts

spankadamonkee

As a Tipp fan i hope we are left with something to work on after the semi final. Id hate to beat Dublin by a cricket score as it would be of no benefit to us. It might only serve as an ego booster, and that we could do without. I hope Dublin give as good as they get and that its a right good match.

Kojak

This is Tipp's game to loose. If Dublin had all of their players fit, then they would make a game of it (but not win it as I'd still think that Tipp would win).

I just hope that Daly doesn't set up the Dubs to be very defensive and to hold Tipp to a certain margain of victory as it nearly always backfires and could lead to a cake walk for Tipp. I doubt Tipp will run away with this game, but still there won't be any danger of them loosing it either.

Tipp by 7+ points.

Justin10

I dont think Tipp will have it all their own way, as longs as Dublin keep it under two goals they will be fine. I find Tipp foul in large numbers and with Ryan this will keep the score ticking over.
If Dublin outscore Tipp in the goal stakes I honestly believe they will be there or there abouts.

The Minor game is massive for Dublin, some fantastic hurlers in that bunch, im sure U21s will come through their semi final so be great be in a least two All Irelands, resulting in my opinion that Dublin are the only county in the coming years to topple Tipp & The Cats.

ConTheCat

It will be interesting to see how Ryan O Dwyer plays, been watching him all season.
Hope its a close enough game with a bit of atmosphere!

SteelyDanJalapeno

Rochey18 wrote: »

I dont think Tipp will have it all their own way, as longs as Dublin keep it under two goals they will be fine. I find Tipp foul in large numbers and with Ryan this will keep the score ticking over.
If Dublin outscore Tipp in the goal stakes I honestly believe they will be there or there abouts.

The Minor game is massive for Dublin, some fantastic hurlers in that bunch, im sure U21s will come through their semi final so be great be in a least two All Irelands, resulting in my opinion that Dublin are the only county in the coming years to topple Tipp & The Cats.

And Clare!

Justin10

Clare? Clare are at the level that Dublin where 4-5 years ago in my opinion. Ye they have some decent underage players but they need to get them to the senior team which Dublin are doing very well but for example Galway are not.

Dublin have massive talent coming through with the likes of Keaney, Brady, Hiney, Tracey etc.

Be great if teams like Clare and Limerick get to the level of Tipp and Kilkenny.
Suppose thats for discussion when the season is over.

teednab-el

Tipp should win by 8.

bren2001

Dubs have it in the bag. Tipperary will be no problem, awful team.

Seriously tho, I really hope Dublin don't get trashed. We have had an exceptional season and all I want is a respectable fight from the team. If we can keep up (thats a huge if) till the final ten minutes then who knows. If Tipp get 5 or 6 ahead at any point in the match its over.

timogen

Now while i feel tipp will win,I think this is a game that could unsettle tipp they are red hot favourites going into this game with people predicting a huge tally for them in the end.If they don't get that will they suffer.People said on this and other forums kilkenny were there for the taking against waterford,some of the kilkenny forwards had a poor day at the office and still beat waterford by 6 points,waterford were meant to have more of a chance of beating the cats than the dubs of beating tipp.So by all the talk that went on tipp should win by at least 12 points,i dont think this will happen maybe a few points but not that much i think the dubs will give them a right rattle.If tipp win by only 6 points what position does that put them in as people considered waterford to be the harder of the two games with kilkenny not playing at there best last sunday.While i feel tipp will win i reckon it will be only by 5/6.Will that be good enough for them with a full strenght team against a seriously weakened dublin side.Interesting weekened ahead.

CrowdedHouse

Get Real - Tipp by a score a man - no mercy............:D

bren2001

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Get Real - Tipp by a score a man - no mercy............:D

I dont think anybody wants to see that. Nobody gains anything from Tipp pulling away from the get go.

corny

bren2001 wrote: »

Nobody gains anything from Tipp pulling away from the get go.

What a strange thing to say. How could Tipp not gain from playing well for 70 and putting Dublin to the sword?

Its an AI semi. Give it everything you can and if that means you destroy the other team mind, body and soul and win by 20+ points.... well thats a sign of a job well done i'd say.

Fireball07

I'd expect Dublin to give Tipp a game but I still expect them to be fairly comfortable and be able to move up the gears if they have to. Kinda like Kilkenny V Waterford. It shouldn't be a stroll in the park for Tipp, they might have to fight quite hard for it but they have too much class and skill all over the pitch not to win.

Sunnyisland

Good luck Dublin seniors & minors,

Some of the world's greatest feats were accomplished by people not smart enough to know they were impossible. ~Doug Larson

Up the dubs

bren2001

corny wrote: »

What a strange thing to say. How could Tipp not gain from playing well for 70 and putting Dublin to the sword?

Its an AI semi. Give it everything you can and if that means you destroy the other team mind, body and soul and win by 20+ points.... well thats a sign of a job well done i'd say.

A 20 point win for Tipp is not what Tipp need. They need a tough physical match where Dublin push them and show any weaknesses for the Kilkenny final. Its also a sign that Dublin gave up and the end of the match is just like training. KK had a good match against Waterford and thats what Tipp need from Dublin.

Saying all this I am not giving up on a Dublin upset and when I take my seat (or stand) at Croke Park I will firmly believe and back the team to win. Stranger things have happened.

Le King

I hope Dublin give us a great game. I'd rather we get a strong work out for 70 mins than a big win. H'on the Premier. Would love to see Brendan getting a good few minutes too. I have a feeling it will be a tight enough game.

decisions

As long as our heads don't drop after the first 20min I don't care what the final score is.

In the next couple of years I would like to hink that we could topple the superpowers of hurling but it's not gonna happen this year.

daniels.ducks

I can't believe that people are writing Dublin off.. Just look back to the Tipp-Clare game. Tipp were in trouble in the first 20 minutes. A better team ie. Dublin would have put Tipp to bed. No point in basing your prediction on the Munster final. Tipp were at their best and Waterford worst. Look at Cork who be Laois by 9 goals!!

GoldFour4

Anyone have any update on Brendan Cummins? Apparently he took a ball to the eye and it was closed with swelling.

Patsy fyre

malachyscott wrote: »

Anyone have any update on Brendan Cummins? Apparently he took a ball to the eye and it was closed with swelling.

I hear he is ok for Sunday.

Patsy fyre

Im expecting Dublin to give it absolutely everything in this match and if Tipp are not in top form this may prove to be a tricky game.
Dublin seem to have found there goal scoring touch in recent times and this may be there best bet for victory as I doubt they would be able to out point tipp.

Knowing Ryan O'Dywer I know he is going to really try to make a name for himself in this game and if he gets half an opportunity then expect him to shoot for goal.

Id still expect Tipp to take this by 4 or 5 points but stranger things have happened and the championship, just look at the Cork footballers.

What does everyone think will be the attendance ?

Mushy

Looking forward to the game, can't see beyond a Tipp victory, but it'll be closer than a lot of people think. I'd be happy winning by 1.

As for attendance....probably similar to last weeks I'd guess.

Colm O hAnluain

Hi all

Can somebody clear something up for me please. Why is this match referred to as Dublin's first All Ireland semi final since 1948 - did they not play Tipperary in 1961? Or was there no semi final that year?

Thanks

Colm

JONJO THE MISER

Dublin +10 Pts vs Tipp 10/11, a dead cert.

UpTheSlashers

Colm O hAnluain wrote: »

Hi all

Can somebody clear something up for me please. Why is this match referred to as Dublin's first All Ireland semi final since 1948 - did they not play Tipperary in 1961? Or was there no semi final that year?

Thanks

Colm

1961 was the All-Ireland final. The winners of Leinster and Munster went straight into the final.

Starokan

i always go to the hill for tipp matches in croke park. Anyone know if thats changed for tomorrow seeing as dublin are in the match.

I seem to remember that it changes for the football to dublin only

Colm O hAnluain

UpTheSlashers wrote: »

1961 was the All-Ireland final. The winners of Leinster and Munster went straight into the final.

Thanks for the quick reply!
Looking forward to a great match tomorrow. Dublin for the double!

Browney7

Tipp can be caught on a day of that there is no doubt. Look at last year against cork and galway pushed them all the way.

That said I think Dublin will struggle. I dont know would o dwyer replace any of the tipp forwards at the moment. I think tipp will outscore the dubs by 4/5 points and by 2 maybe 3 goals so a 10 point win for tipp I think.

blackbelt

Starokan wrote: »

i always go to the hill for tipp matches in croke park. Anyone know if thats changed for tomorrow seeing as dublin are in the match.

I seem to remember that it changes for the football to dublin only

No it doesn't. This myth comes from the bandwagoners and gobsh1tes that like to sing "Hill 16 is Dublin only".I find it embarassing to be frank.

You are more than welcome and able to get a hill ticket as you would any other part of the stadia.

blackbelt

Browney7 wrote: »

Tipp can be caught on a day of that there is no doubt. Look at last year against cork and galway pushed them all the way.

That said I think Dublin will struggle. I dont know would o dwyer replace any of the tipp forwards at the moment. I think tipp will outscore the dubs by 4/5 points and by 2 maybe 3 goals so a 10 point win for tipp I think.

Your loss is our gain. I think you are mad down in Tipperary not to have a guy of the calibre of Ryan O Dwyer as a regular,if even a sub,a guy that you could call from the bench.

Hopefully he will bang in a few goals and stick it to Tipperary.

Le King

blackbelt wrote: »

Browney7 wrote: »

Tipp can be caught on a day of that there is no doubt. Look at last year against cork and galway pushed them all the way.

That said I think Dublin will struggle. I dont know would o dwyer replace any of the tipp forwards at the moment. I think tipp will outscore the dubs by 4/5 points and by 2 maybe 3 goals so a 10 point win for tipp I think.

Your loss is our gain. I think you are mad down in Tipperary not to have a guy of the calibre of Ryan O Dwyer as a regular,if even a sub,a guy that you could call from the bench.

Hopefully he will bang in a few goals and stick it to Tipperary.

A regular? Come on. Maybe as a sub but he doesn't suit our style. Ryan wouldn't even get into the starting XV of either Tipp or KK.

UpTheSlashers

O'Dwyer would be well down the pecking order in terms of ability, probably somewhere between number 20 and 30 in the Tipp squad. And if someone is going to transfer to Dublin it shows that they just dont have the ambition to be a top hurler. No loss for Tipp but a big loss for Cashel.

corny

UpTheSlashers wrote: »

And if someone is going to transfer to Dublin it shows that they just dont have the ambition to be a top hurler.

Hows that? Are you saying only top hurlers play for Tipp?

UpTheSlashers

corny wrote: »

Hows that? Are you saying only top hurlers play for Tipp?

Im saying that top hurlers try to break into the starting 15 of their home county rather than transfer to a weaker county

Justin10

Do you honestly think that he came to Dublin to play inter county hurling??
Also about the Hill, go to the Hill, of course it aint for just Dublin, im sure you will enjoy it but in my opinion there is nothing better when its packed with the Dubs.

LostBoy101

UpTheSlashers wrote: »

Im saying that top hurlers try to break into the starting 15 of their home county rather than transfer to a weaker county

I take it you are refering to O'Dwyer, but you are wrong that Dublin are a weaker side we have proven to be soon one of the best hurling teams in the Country.

Big Ears

LostBoy101 wrote: »

I take it you are refering to O'Dwyer, but you are wrong that Dublin are a weaker side we have proven to be soon one of the best hurling teams in the Country.

I think he just meant weaker in relation to the player's home country, in this case Tipperary. At least I'd like to think Dublin are weaker than Tipperary, I suppose tomorrow will conclusively answer the question.

quirkster

Im in Hanoi in Vietnam. Anyone know a stream I'll be able to catch the game on?

Ponster

quirkster wrote: »

Im in Hanoi in Vietnam. Anyone know a stream I'll be able to catch the game on?

Yes. You'll need to install Sopcast though.

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Patsy fyre

MON TIPP

blackbelt

UpTheSlashers wrote: »

O'Dwyer would be well down the pecking order in terms of ability, probably somewhere between number 20 and 30 in the Tipp squad. And if someone is going to transfer to Dublin it shows that they just dont have the ambition to be a top hurler. No loss for Tipp but a big loss for Cashel.

Maybe I'm biased or over-protective of my county but Dublin are definitely a top three or four team now along with Waterford.Tipp fans must not have been watching the masterclass performance O Dwyer put in by putting 3 goals past Limerick and getting us through to the semi.

I think O Dwyer is full of ambition.He wants to play for a team that he can contribute to and not a team that doesn't rate him and please....Dublin are a top team.We won the Walsh Cup and National Hurling League.We have plenty of underage success and the future looks bright for Dublin hurling.He's not a bad player to have with his experience the younger lads coming through can play off hi and learn a lot.

The arrogance being shown by Tipp fans is an eye opener.I only wish we had those 5 players but we are crippled with injuries.I think that will ultimately be our un-doing and we can't ask anymore of the players that are able to play than to go out and do themselves justice and fight all the way until the final whistle.

Mushy

blackbelt wrote: »

Maybe I'm biased or over-protective of my county but Dublin are definitely a top three or four team now along with Waterford.Tipp fans must not have been watching the masterclass performance O Dwyer put in by putting 3 goals past Limerick and getting us through to the semi.

I think O Dwyer is full of ambition.He wants to play for a team that he can contribute to and not a team that doesn't rate him and please....Dublin are a top team.We won the Walsh Cup and National Hurling League.We have plenty of underage success and the future looks bright for Dublin hurling.He's not a bad player to have with his experience the younger lads coming through can play off hi and learn a lot.

The arrogance being shown by Tipp fans is an eye opener.I only wish we had those 5 players but we are crippled with injuries.I think that will ultimately be our un-doing and we can't ask anymore of the players that are able to play than to go out and do themselves justice and fight all the way until the final whistle.

What arrogance? He would contribute to Tipp but he wouldnt get his game, thats not arrogance. Its unfortunate for him that the players in his position are also really good. Good player but unlucky for him with Tipp, not as if anyone is begrudging it.

Ye'll never live it down when needing a Tipp man to win Liam for ya:pac: