Henry Coyle vs Elio Cotena WBF Light-Middlewight Title - 12th August [Live on TG4]

Syferus

Can't beleive there's a world title fight involving an Irish fighter (taking place in Ireland!) and on tv and little or no mention of it. Anyone going to Castlebar for the fight? Coyle is a local lad of course, but Darren Cruise is from the area as well and he's on the undercard, hopefully they'll at least show highlights of his bout. In all honesty, it's a very attractive card for the region because most of the fights involve boxers that are well known and liked locally. I hope it's a success!

At least TG4 are making more of an effort than RTE, but I'd imagine we'll have to swallow Irish language commentators for the pleasure of watching the fight.

makl

Syferus wrote: »

At least TG4 are making more of an effort than RTE, but I'd imagine we'll have to swallow Irish language commentators for the pleasure of watching the fight.

nothin wrong with that.

nice1 for heads up

nacho libre

I'm looking forward to seeing Coyle in action.
I was wondering what Cruise was up to recently. It's good to hear he is on the bill also. Fair play to TG4 for airing this event.

Frankie Lee

Calling it a world title fight is a bit much, but fair play to TG4 for showing it and hopefully Coyle does the business.

Syferus

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Calling it a world title fight is a bit much, but fair play to TG4 for showing it and hopefully Coyle does the business.

You take what you're given! It'll be a big step in the right direction for Coyle if he can win it no matter the federation providing the belt.

duagre

I'm delighted this is being televised. Fairplay to TG4; they deserve all the credit in the world. RTE's handling of Boxing over these last few months has been a disgrace.

With all that being said, selling it as a world title fight is a serious stretch.

Syferus

duagre wrote: »

I'm delighted this is being televised. Fairplay to TG4; they deserve all the credit in the world. RTE's handling of Boxing over these last few months has been a disgrace.

With all that being said, selling it as a world title fight is a serious stretch.

Agreed, but at this point the belts have become so fragmented I'm almost past caring what arrangement of letters are before 'world title'.

slapbangwallop

Syferus wrote: »

Agreed, but at this point the belts have become so fragmented I'm almost past caring what arrangement of letters are before 'world title'.

Simply, No!

Syferus

slapbangwallop wrote: »

Simply, No!

Pardon? I know full well the WBF belt is hardly in the top tier of belts but the point remains that the entire idea of a 'world title' has become completely and utterly diluted to the point I really don't care how they market the fight.

nacho libre

I don't mind either. I would just to see a local lad winning a version of a world title- even it is a dubious version. It'll mean he can hopefully progress to more prestigious fights in the future.

joepenguin

Ok the only gripe I have here is that Coyle fell short at Irish level and instead of fighting Moore, Murtagh, McDonagh, Rea or O Brien for the Irish light middleweight title he is going after a title not worth fighting for. A rematch with sinclair for the title would be awesome but he is kinda retired so would presumably vacate it if others wanted to duke it out.

Syferus

joepenguin wrote: »

Ok the only gripe I have here is that Coyle fell short at Irish level and instead of fighting Moore, Murtagh, McDonagh, Rea or O Brien for the Irish light middleweight title he is going after a title not worth fighting for. A rematch with sinclair for the title would be awesome but he is kinda retired so would presumably vacate it if others wanted to duke it out.

He's been in Chicago for the last half decade so unless you're given a straight-up shot at the Irish title it's very hard for you to go around fighting a load of Europe-based fighters. This fight being here is obviously part of a strategy to set himself up in the European stakes, with the ultimate aim being a European title shot in the near future. If they're between him and that title I don't imagine he'll shy away from them.

joepenguin

You dont need to fight European fighters to fight for an irish title. He has had a shot at the title and is again in position to do so. I dont understand why is fighting for a title that leads nowhere.
Anto Fitz fought for the EBA title which in itself is meaningless. However as a result he is now ranked 10th in the WBA and qualifies for a shot at the interim, regular or super belts. The super been held by Felix Sturm.
Therefor you can justify fighting for the EBA, its a title worth fighting over as it leads to paydays. The WBF is a dead end title, no one recognises you for it, no one cares if you defend or lose it. Yes you can go on to bigger things, but thats not what opens the doors to them like the eba, ebu (proper euro title), eu, wba intercontinental, wbo intercontinental etc. It will however look awesome over his mantlepiece.
I support Henry as much as I support any other Irish fighter, I really do.
All Im saying is its a pity that these belts are been fought for when an Irish title could be on the line.

Syferus

joepenguin wrote: »

You dont need to fight European fighters to fight for an irish title. He has had a shot at the title and is again in position to do so. I dont understand why is fighting for a title that leads nowhere.
Anto Fitz fought for the EBA title which in itself is meaningless. However as a result he is now ranked 10th in the WBA and qualifies for a shot at the interim, regular or super belts. The super been held by Felix Sturm.
Therefor you can justify fighting for the EBA, its a title worth fighting over as it leads to paydays. The WBF is a dead end title, no one recognises you for it, no one cares if you defend or lose it. Yes you can go on to bigger things, but thats not what opens the doors to them like the eba, ebu (proper euro title), eu, wba intercontinental, wbo intercontinental etc. It will however look awesome over his mantlepiece.
I support Henry as much as I support any other Irish fighter, I really do.
All Im saying is its a pity that these belts are been fought for when an Irish title could be on the line.

Honestly, Coyle is at the age and point in his career where fighting for an Irish title would seem a somewhat backward step if he has ambitions to fight at the highest levels. The thing about the WBF belt is that it's meaning is nebulous and it doesn't effect him negatively where as I get the feeling that there's a point where 'serious' fighters don't really have much appetite for the Irish titles.

That's even ignoring the fact fighting for the Irish title may have prevented the fight being in Castlebar, a key part of the promotion as it's a big homecoming for Coyle.

Big Ears

Syferus wrote: »

Honestly, Coyle is at the age and point in his career where fighting for an Irish title would seem a somewhat backward step if he has ambitions to fight at the highest levels. The thing about the WBF belt is that it's meaning is nebulous and it doesn't effect him negatively where as I get the feeling that there's a point where 'serious' fighters don't really have much appetite for the Irish titles.

That's even ignoring the fact fighting for the Irish title may have prevented the fight being in Castlebar, a key part of the promotion as it's a big homecoming for Coyle.

When you were destroyed in 3 rounds in your only Irish title fight to date(and only professional fight versus an Irish fighter) I don't really think it's right of Coyle or his management to feel they are beyond an Irish title fight, seeing as he came up so abundantly short in his last one.

Granted a lot of these boys are as good as Sinclair, but Coyle has a very padded record and I'm afraid only more padding is going on here with an opponent holding a seemingly credible record, and fighting for a seemingly more credible title than the Irish title(not really true). It's like a way of bypassing serious tests and yet still getting more credit for it. If Coyle really wants to go the European route he should prove he's the best in Ireland first.

I'm aware this post could seemingly come across as anti Coyle, which I'm not at all. He's an exciting fighter and I wish him all the best tomorrow night, I just wish he was matched with tougher opposition in more meaningful fights.

Syferus

Big Ears wrote: »

When you were destroyed in 3 rounds in your only Irish title fight to date(and only professional fight versus an Irish fighter) I don't really think it's right of Coyle or his management to feel they are beyond an Irish title fight, seeing as he came up so abundantly short in his last one.

Granted a lot of these boys are as good as Sinclair, but Coyle has a very padded record and I'm afraid only more padding is going on here with an opponent holding a seemingly credible record, and fighting for a seemingly more credible title than the Irish title(not really true). It's like a way of bypassing serious tests and yet still getting more credit for it. If Coyle really wants to go the European route he should prove he's the best in Ireland first.

I'm aware this post could seemingly come across as anti Coyle, which I'm not at all. He's an exciting fighter and I wish him all the best tomorrow night, I just wish he was matched with tougher opposition in more meaningful fights.

But that's obviously the end-result of tomorrow night; to move up to bigger fights. It's most akin to Dunne's return from the US, really. He'll ease himself back into the rhythm of things over here and take it form there. For me, that makes alot of sense.

slapbangwallop

Syferus wrote: »

But that's obviously the end-result of tomorrow night; to move up to bigger fights. It's most akin to Dunne's return from the US, really. He'll ease himself back into the rhythm of things over here and take it form there. For me, that makes alot of sense.

Syferus, I sincerely hope you are a close friend, former gym-mate or family member of Coyles because the arguments you are putting across show a serious lack of objectivity.

Dunne returned to Ireland is somewhat of a blaze of glory. 14-0, previously managed by SRL, loads of exposure on ESPN in the States and Channel 4 in UK.

Whereas Coyle, outside Mayo, is completely unknown and not forgeting we actually had a bit of a homecoming before when he struggled wth Sergejs Savrinovics who had one win from his 14 fights and then the following year Coyle got outclassed and taken out in three rounds in the ONLY meaningful (post Bell) fight of his career and since then has been fighting nobodies, which is being unkind to nobodies.

What Coyle has going for him is that he is from a popular, well known family and shifts a lot of tickets and can certainly box a bit. If he didnt he would he would have been forced into a tougher fight a long time before this or ingored.

But I have a real allergic reaction to these trinket titles, they are meanlingless, completely and utterly meaningless in boxing terms. It wont improve his ratings and may actually deterimentally effect his rating with more established organisations and wouldnt even be sanctioned in a lot of countries.

What they do do is con well-meanling but less than switched on TV stations, sponsors and boxing supporters who get all excited about a "world title" and they are more likely to get invovled.

That is a good thing, but it saddens me that this is what boxing has to do to get the attention it deserves and I am delighted we have a show on TV this weekend but you wont pull the wool over the eyes of the guys on here as easy as some barstoolers in Belmullet.

Good luck to him tonight, we have push the bill hard but I cant help but grind my teeth when I hear mention of "world titles" or "world champions" because it does a disservice to guys that are and confuses casual boxing punters even more.

Like Joe Penguin said, I would prefer to see a rematch with Neil Sinclair and a fight for the Irish title fight with Joe Rea or Lee Murtagh but we will see what happens after tonioght.

Good luck to him and all the fighters on the bill.

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

Can't beleive there's a world title fight involving an Irish fighter (taking place in Ireland!) and on tv and little or no mention of it. Anyone going to Castlebar for the fight? Coyle is a local lad of course, but Darren Cruise is from the area as well and he's on the undercard, hopefully they'll at least show highlights of his bout. In all honesty, it's a very attractive card for the region because most of the fights involve boxers that are well known and liked locally. I hope it's a success!
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It's Henry Coyle! Who is he?

Does anyone here even know him?

Brutal truth. I am not at all surprised that nobody knows, or wants to know.

And just because someone sticks two words before the fight, world title, doen't change the fact
that this is a run of the mill fight.

I will be watching, but because I like boxing.

Very few others will watch this, even casual boxing fans won't tune in.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

It's Henry Coyle! Who is he?

Does anyone here even know him?

Brutal truth. I am not at all surprised that nobody knows, or wants to know.

And just because someone sticks two words before the fight, world title, doen't change the fact
that this is a run of the mill fight.

I will be watching, but because I like boxing.

Very few others will watch this, even casual boxing fans won't tune in.

In fairness that'll probably have more to do with most not even knowing it's on, which obviously wouldn't be the case if this were a proper World title fight. This card probably would get good numbers as part of a pro box live on RTÉ 2. Hopefully it'll still do well(by TG4's standards).

Syferus

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I'm not affiliated with Coyle or even know him personally at all. The similarities between a guy spending alot of time in the US and coming back over here for a crack at bigger things and Dunne is clear enough; no one knows where Coyle will end up.

It's a fight in his home area - it's a homecoming so why are you trying to over-think it? if he wins and then fights someone pointless (at age 30) you can say what you want but it seems to early to overly criticize his strategy when we won't really have much of a hint of it until after tonight's fight.

slapbangwallop

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Free, legal stream for Brian Peters promotions bill in Ireland

Royal Theatre Running Order: Doors Open, 6:30. First bout 7:15

1. Paul Hyland V Dai Davies - 6 rds
2. Michael Sweeney V John Waldron - 8 rds
3. Finbarr Eade V Mickey Coveney - 10 rds
4. Patrick Hyland V Fabrizio Trotta - 8 rds
5. Henry Coyle V Elio Cotena - 12 rds
Swing bout: Darren Cruise V Lee Murtagh - 4 rds

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James__10

Will there be English Commentry?:o

andrew90

http://www.midwestradio.ie/mwr/listen-live.html

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

It's Henry Coyle! Who is he?

Does anyone here even know him?

Brutal truth. I am not at all surprised that nobody knows, or wants to know.

And just because someone sticks two words before the fight, world title, doen't change the fact
that this is a run of the mill fight.

I will be watching, but because I like boxing.

Very few others will watch this, even casual boxing fans won't tune in.

What you're saying is you don't know who he is, therefore how could anyone else? The main reason being he's not from Dublin/Cork/Belfast. So, to fill you in...

As an amateur he won the Irish senior welterweight title versus no less an opponent than James Moore (world bronze medalist) having given him a terrific fight in losing the previous year's final. After feeling he got shafted by not being selected for his 3rd effort at qualifiying for the Olympics (Moore was sent instead and lost by an even bigger margin to a guy Henry had already lost narrowly to in one of the other qualifiers) he turned pro.

He is an extremely nice fella from a very nice family (his first cousin Patrick has won a number of Irish titles also) and they are indeed very popular people in that part of Mayo and would be very well known and liked in boxing circles in the west.

Having said that, I agree the whole WBF angle pisses me off, especially when he hasn't even won an Irish title. I'm not sure he has the ability (determiation is no problem) to even win a European title, but I certainly wish him all the best and sincerely hope he proves me very wrong.

megadodge

James__10 wrote: »

Will there be English Commentry?:o

It's an Irish language station, so I can't imagine why there would be.

cppromotions

Spike Osullivan dropping back down to lightmiddle ! now if henry wins his title fight first defence against Osullian would be a cracker !

James__10

megadodge wrote: »

It's an Irish language station, so I can't imagine why there would be.

Well i'd imagine the vast majority of people would be english speaking thats why it could be in English :rolleyes:

coronaextra

your man is only tapping, coyle far too strong. Should finish this off soon.

Samich

Coyle looking good.

coronaextra

your man didnt want to know about it! he was looking for a way out all through the fight!:mad:

walshb

Coyle boxed really well tonight. Should he not really be a welter though? Bit too pudgy!

megadodge

James__10 wrote: »

Well i'd imagine the vast majority of people would be english speaking thats why it could be in English :rolleyes:

Can you explain the logic of having an Irish language station that doesn't broadcast in Irish:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

nacho libre

I only saw the Hyland and Coyle fights. Hyland was impressive. Your man lasted longer than i thought he would
By the way who won between Sweeney and Waldron?

Frankie Lee

walshb wrote: »

Coyle boxed really well tonight. Should he not really be a welter though? Bit too pudgy!

I thought he looked in better shape than he did two years ago, if he is to improve he really does need to improve his conditioning a lot more. He has good boxing skills, although his defence is poor but his condititioning must be holding him back a bit.
It was a decent entertaining fight but as was said by others here hopefully Coyle steps up in class and fights for an Irish title next.

I thought TG4 did a good job with their coverage, my Irish is poor enough though so I don't know if Seán Bán Breathnach was talking nonsense or not.

supersean1999

world title fight my ass, ya mans record is 18-10, haha:) coyle im afraid has reached his limit,

slapbangwallop

What a fantastic quality World title fight, er, no!

However, it looked good on TV. The TG4 production went smooth. Coyle comes across really well. My mother text me to say isnt he such as nice fella - which is usually my barometer. Pajo did well. Tickets sold well and Peters attracted sponsors!

Lots of positives there and hopefully Peters and TG4 can build something there on the back of Coyle. Coyle never looks defined and with a proper S&C coach I am sure he would make welter with absolute ease.

Well done Henry.

duagre

Well, I thought that was tremendous fun. A great first broadcast from TG4.
Good fights and great enthusiasm from the crowd. It made it really easy to get in to it.

I to thought Coyle seemed in better shape than in the past - both him and Patrick boxed very well on the night. Coyle seems like a very nice fella. I would like to see him do well.

Congrats to everybody involved.

washman3

supersean1999 wrote: »

world title fight my ass, ya mans record is 18-10, haha:) coyle im afraid has reached his limit,

would you get in a ring with him?? or would you prefer to hide behind the safety of a keyboard posting snide comments.

Syferus

Was lovely listening to Henry after the fight, he just seems like a great guy and I'm sure everyone wishes him the best.

He bossed the fight and did all that was asked of him. I find it hard to imagine a European title is beyond him, be it at little-middleweight or welterweight. It's the time in his career to start taking more risks so hopefully this is the start of a good stretch for him.

EDIT: Cotena's record was 18-5, not 18-10. I guess your Irish isn't as up to scratch as your trolling abilities.

Boooourns

Yeah it was an enjoyable night of boxing. How far do people think Hyland can go? looked impressive tonight.
It was funny announcing Coyle as a World champion tonight, fair play for getting and winning the belt but the WBF?? Oh jeez.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Coyle boxed really well tonight. Should he not really be a welter though? Bit too pudgy!

Well whether he wants to fight at Welterweight, which he'd certainly be more than capable of making or Light-Middleweight, I think it's a must to lose the excess fat if he's to take his career seriously. There's no problem staying at Light-Middle if he wants to add some muscle mass while lowering his body fat, but he simply does have to lose the fat.

Now there were some positives to take from tonight for him, he boxed well mostly, used his jab quite well and had Cotena under control throughout. Encouragingly his defence seems to have improved quite a bit as well, although it could still do with further refinement. Him and Spike would make for a terrific fight, but if Coyle doesn't sharpen his defence, then O'Sullivan's power would be the telling difference in the fight. I wouldn't mind seeing a fight with Healy either if Ciaran doesn't mind heading back down to Light-Middleweight.

It would simply be madness of Coyle to think he's past Irish title level when James Moore, Gary O'Sullivan, Ciaran Healy, Lee Murtagh and Eddie 'ill advised' Hyland are all at the weight. Of course Sinclair would be a more than adequate opponent as well if he doesn't fancy relinquishing that Irish title yet and decided on a comeback. There's plenty of Irish fighters around at the weight, Joe Rea could probably make 154 as well, and Robbie Long definitely could. If you include Ciaran Duffy, that's potentially 9 fighters that could fight for the Irish title at Light-Middleweight.
Anyway the publicity stunt is over, Coyle is impressive, lets move on and hopefully it'll be a decent Irish opponent up next or if not an International fight with a little more meaning than this. On paper this was the best win of Coyle's career though, so congratulations for that.

I thought Hyland did a good job on a tricky opponent in Trotta. He did get caught stupidly at times, but I think that was partially as a result of struggling to deal with the Italians rough style. The bodyshots from Pajo really had some menace in them and he's proved once again that he can punch when he wants to. Will be very interesting with who he's matched up with next. This little run of Laze, Sassou, Frenois ad Trotta has been a run of decent high level European journeymen and gatekeepers, but now it's time to put him into a real test or a fight that will actually take him somewhere. As I've mentioned in the past Cyril Thomas really would be the perfect opponent for him, unfortunately however I'd assume the Frenchman has now retired.

Gotta feel for Eade, losing by such a narrow margin in a seemingly tough, close fight (I only saw the televised last 3 rounds), but Coveney was always an extremely live underdog and he showed that when he gave Pajo Hyland serious problems in his last Irish title fight. A rematch would not surprise me in the slightest.

Sweeney vs Waldron

Waldron was retired in his corner after 3 rounds

boxer.fan

TG4 deserve some recognition here. Hopefully this kind of coverage gave them some decent audience numbers and give them reason to show some events like this in the future. I think its a smart move on their part with the amateur scene enjoying a purple patch at the moment, which in theory should yield some decent pro's in the not too distant future, and subsequently some interesting domestic events (hopefully).

Well done Henry Coyle!!

Big Ears

Also what the hell is all this 25 fight unbeaten Irish record ****e coming out of Hyland's camp ?
Jack McAuliffe went his whole career(40 fights) unbeaten and 'Nonpareil' Jack Dempsey(not to be confused with the 'Manassa Mauler', Heavyweight champion who took his idles name) went 44. Granted both of those chaps had quite a few draws, but even if we're talking wins only, then a recent Irish fighter got to 26-0, a little known Derryman by the name of John Duddy.

You do have to question some to the stuff Irish boxers and their teams come out with. Especially when it comes to claiming records.

slapbangwallop

washman3 wrote: »

would you get in a ring with him?? or would you prefer to hide behind the safety of a keyboard posting snide comments.

try attacking the post not the poster.

Not everyone here is a world class boxer you know, does that mean that arent allowed voice their opinions.

If you disagree with what he is saying then outline your reasons why he is making an invalid comment rather than making an ad hominem attack.

nacho libre

Syferus wrote: »

Was lovely listening to Henry after the fight, he just seems like a great guy and I'm sure everyone wishes him the best.

He bossed the fight and did all that was asked of him. I find it hard to imagine a European title is beyond him, be it at little-middleweight or welterweight. It's the time in his career to start taking more risks so hopefully this is the start of a good stretch for him.

EDIT: Cotena's record was 18-5, not 18-10. I guess your Irish isn't as up to scratch as your trolling abilities.

I was like everyone else glad he won, he does seem like a good lad too, but i'm not sold him on winning a European title. Cotena was no great shakes from what I saw.

Mister Dread

It was a nice surprise to see some live pro boxing on the TG4. It wasn't a bad fight but the Italian just did not want to be there. He called the doctor in himself just before the round was about to start. I thought it was a poor show from a pro boxer.

washman3

slapbangwallop wrote: »

try attacking the post not the poster.

Not everyone here is a world class boxer you know, does that mean that arent allowed voice their opinions.

If you disagree with what he is saying then outline your reasons why he is making an invalid comment rather than making an ad hominem attack.

We're not all world class boxers? well spotted,excellent.
if we were we would'nt be posting on Boards.ie.
neither are 99% of people who actually box and most world class boxers will never be world champions. Fact.
Most of us know that Coyle is not a "proper" world champion after last night,he fought well,beat the opponent picked for him by the promoter and spoke like a true sportsman afterwards.
And well done to TG4 for showing the fights.
But when we get a clown posting,not an opinion,but a snide remark,i'll make no apologies for "attacking" him.
And finally, since when have become a self-appointed forum advisor??

slapbangwallop

washman3 wrote: »

We're not all world class boxers? well spotted,excellent.
if we were we would'nt be posting on Boards.ie.
neither are 99% of people who actually box and most world class boxers will never be world champions. Fact.
Most of us know that Coyle is not a "proper" world champion after last night,he fought well,beat the opponent picked for him by the promoter and spoke like a true sportsman afterwards.
And well done to TG4 for showing the fights.
But when we get a clown posting,not an opinion,but a snide remark,i'll make no apologies for "attacking" him.
And finally, since when have become a self-appointed forum advisor??

I'm yawning internally on so many levels.

washman3

slapbangwallop wrote: »

I'm yawning internally on so many levels.

A sky sports convert i would say.:D
Enjoy the armchair....;)

joepenguin

Whats a sky sports convert?

walshb

washman3 wrote: »

would you get in a ring with him?? or would you prefer to hide behind the safety of a keyboard posting snide comments.

I wouldn't call sean's comment snide at all. And, if it was, it was also a perfectly accurate snide comment.