If it was Israel there would be posts/threads

Sunnyisland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14472884



Where is all the posts & posters to condemn syrian slaughter of its people

When Israel kills anyone there is immediate uproar with condemnation from most media, many posters here and even marches on its embassy,Where are the politicians now that are usually criticizing Israel at the drop of a hat.Yet as syria continues these killings/murders there is nothing. Just a bit puzzled here, why the double standards.

My opinion is there should be as much a public outcry against Syrian aggression as Israeli.

Nodin

realies wrote: »

........

My opinion is there should be as much a public outcry against Syrian aggression as Israeli.

...its in politics.

Syria is under sanctions from the US, EU etc, Israel is under no sanctions whatsoever, hence the disparity.

Offy

realies wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14472884



Where is all the posts & posters to condemn syrian slaughter of its people

When Israel kills anyone there is immediate uproar with condemnation from most media, many posters here and even marches on its embassy,Where are the politicians now that are usually criticizing Israel at the drop of a hat.Yet as syria continues these killings/murders there is nothing. Just a bit puzzled here, why the double standards.

My opinion is there should be as much a public outcry against Syrian aggression as Israeli.

Not another Isreal thread.............

suspectdevice

realies wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14472884



Where is all the posts & posters to condemn syrian slaughter of its people

When Israel kills anyone there is immediate uproar with condemnation from most media, many posters here and even marches on its embassy,Where are the politicians now that are usually criticizing Israel at the drop of a hat.Yet as syria continues these killings/murders there is nothing. Just a bit puzzled here, why the double standards.

My opinion is there should be as much a public outcry against Syrian aggression as Israeli.

and nothing ever happens to israle expcet an increase in their 9bn dollar funding from america. other countries have their leaders overthrown and their resources taken care of

threestripes

Isreal aren't killing their own people, they are slaughtering those they have basically enslaved and treating like animals with most of the western governments help and medias approval. Syria are (wrongly) killing their own who have been treated like animals with international dissaproval and hopefully sanctions which will never been seen with Isreal, thus we can let them do the talking for us.

Sunnyisland

Nodin wrote: »

...its in politics.

Syria is under sanctions from the US, EU etc, Israel is under no sanctions whatsoever, hence the disparity.

Yes Nodin i know that and its as dead as the people in syria, So because there is sanctions against syria we can all carry on & forget about it. lets not highlight or criticize,The minute a boat even points its bow at Israel there is a thread about it, I still don't get it,

Of wrote: »

Not another Israel thread.............

Actually i was hoping this would be about syria.

Fred Cohen

realies wrote: »

Actually i was hoping this would be about syria.

Maybe you should have mentioned Syria in the title then?

RayM

realies wrote: »

When Israel kills anyone there is immediate uproar with condemnation from most media, many posters here and even marches on its embassy,

Yes, but the condemnation of Israel's murder of civilians is always counterbalanced by a loyal and vocal bunch of apologists, eager to display their right-wing credentials by deflecting attention away from Israel via monotonous repetition of "yeah, but what about Syria?"

starbelgrade

This is After Hours. No need to be so Syrias.

Freddie59

Go Israel! Fcuk the begrudgers!:D

Sunnyisland

Fred Cohen wrote: »

Maybe you should have mentioned Syria in the title then?

I put Israel in the thread as i knew THAT would get attention,For some strange reason syria does not get attention.

RayM wrote: »

Yes, but the condemnation of Israel's murder of civilians is always counterbalanced by a loyal and vocal bunch of apologists, eager to display their right-wing credentials by deflecting attention away from Israel via monotonous repetition of "yeah, but what about Syria?"

I am not right wing and i am not pro Israeli or anti Israel just for the sake of it, But as you said yeah but what about syria,There is thread going about libya and they have UN sanctions against them,It seems to me here that if USA or UK are involved there will be mass posts and condemnations, and if there not involved sure no one is interested.

Forest Master

realies wrote: »

I put Israel in the thread as i knew THAT would get attention,For some strange reason syria does not get attention.

BOOOOORING!!

maninasia

Nodin wrote: »

...its in politics.

Syria is under sanctions from the US, EU etc, Israel is under no sanctions whatsoever, hence the disparity.

Borrix, it's just not fashionable that's all.

The_Minister

I think people just expect better of Israel because it is a Western-cultured liberal democracy.

We don't expect countries made up of free educated people to commit such crimes against others.

maninasia

Borrix again, the US has people locked up in camps without trial and admitted to all types of torture. It routinely sends missiles into foreign countries civilian areas.

It's just follow the leader type stuff.

Guill

Syria can fight back properly.

maninasia

Borrix they can, tanks and army against civilians, same thing, actually no, a lot worse.

Forest Master

maninasia wrote: »

Borrix

maninasia wrote: »

Borrix

maninasia wrote: »

Borrix

Are you feeling okay?

Nodin

realies wrote: »

Yes Nodin i know that and its as dead as the people in syria, So because there is sanctions against syria we can all carry on & forget about it. lets not highlight or criticize,The minute a boat even points its bow at Israel there is a thread about it, I still don't get it,

.

Its been explained to you.

Also, you'll find defenders of Assads regime few and far between.

Wibbs

Forest Master wrote: »

Are you feeling okay?

Well he is a man in Asia so maybe that's how bollocks comes out....

wes

If the OP gave a crap about the Syrian people being murdered by that tyrant Assad, they would not have made the thread about Israel. Seems pretty clear to me, this is just another bout of whataboutery to defend Israel, which imho show the people who engage in it, only care about the ME via the prism of Israel and nothing more.

The_Minister

maninasia wrote: »

Borrix again, the US has people locked up in camps without trial and admitted to all types of torture. It routinely sends missiles into foreign countries civilian areas.

It's just follow the leader type stuff.

Which they are roundly criticised for, abroad and in their own country.

Sunnyisland

wes wrote: »

If the OP gave a crap about the Syrian people being murdered by that tyrant Assad, they would not have made the thread about Israel. Seems pretty clear to me, this is just another bout of whataboutery to defend Israel, which imho show the people who engage in it, only care about the ME via the prism of Israel and nothing more.

Really, it shows me that posters here only complain when it is about Israel,and if Israel had not been mentioned the thread would have died a death as it slowly is.

As i have said already i am not a pro everything Isreal, just seems a very much lack of impartiality here.

hardCopy

starbelgrade wrote: »

This is After Hours. No need to be so Syrias.

Why?

Son Of A Vidic

OP - we expect nothing less from a brutal Syrian dictator.

Israel however claim to be a flagship of democracy and freedom in the region. When in reality they are merely hypocrites, with a horrendous human rights record that speaks for itself really.

wes

realies wrote: »

Really, it shows me that posters here only complain when it is about Israel,and if Israel had not been mentioned the thread would have died a death as it slowly is.

The thread died, because it wasn't really about Syria at all, just the same old defending Israel via whataboutery. If you cared about Syria, you would not have mentioned Israel at all.

realies wrote: »

As i have said already i am not a pro everything Isreal, just seems a very much lack of impartiality here.

I would disagree, as it seems pretty clear you see the ME only in terms of Israel, and nothing more. You don't care abou Syria at all, and quite frankly the thread is hugely hypocritical.

Sunnyisland

wes wrote: »

The thread died, because it wasn't really about Syria at all, just the same old defending Israel via whataboutery. If you cared about Syria, you would not have mentioned Israel at all.

Where am i defending Israel,I have asked why is there not a thread or posts about syria and i already pointed out why i mentioned Israel.

I would disagree, as it seems pretty clear you see the ME only in terms of Israel, and nothing more. You don't care about Syria at all, and quite frankly the thread is hugely hypocritical.

Well quite frankly your wrong.

Nodin

realies wrote: »

Really, it shows me that posters here only complain when it is about Israel,and if Israel had not been mentioned the thread would have died a death as it slowly is.

As i have said already i am not a pro everything Isreal, just seems a very much lack of impartiality here.

You asked a question, received the answer, and rejected it as it disagrees with the answer you wanted to hear.

Sunnyisland

Nodin wrote: »

You asked a question, received the answer, and rejected it as it disagrees with the answer you wanted to hear.

I reject the part where I am being accused of having some sort of pro Israeli agenda. and what was the answer i wanted to hear ?

Nodin

realies wrote: »

I reject the part where I am being accused of having some sort of pro Israeli agenda. and what was the answer i wanted to hear ?

Evidently not the truth
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73750271&postcount=2
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73755953&postcount=19

Some accusation of anti-semitism? Whinging about anti-US bias?

Sunnyisland

Nodin wrote: »

Evidently not the truth
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73750271&postcount=2
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73755953&postcount=19

Some accusation of anti-semitism? Whinging about anti-US bias?

Where is that pro Israeli

And i am not whinging i am saying as i see it here.

EL_Loco

ohh, ohh, me ears are alight.

Nodin

realies wrote: »

Where is that pro Israeli

And i am not whinging i am saying as i see it here.

I never said you were pro - Israel. And its been explained to you why it is the way it is, which you just ignore and carry on regardless.

Sunnyisland

Nothing happening here but if anybody is interested they can send this email below which will be passed on to the syrian authorities.Thanks.


http://www.amnesty.ie/content/dont-let-syrian-people-stand-alone

wes

realies wrote: »

Well quite frankly your wrong.

No, I am right actually, and the existense of this thread is what proves it. At the very least what your saying is hypocritical.

Sunnyisland

wes wrote: »

No, I am right actually, and the existense of this thread is what proves it. At the very least what your saying is hypocritical.

In your eyes explain to me what you think i am saying.

wes

realies wrote: »

In your eyes explain to me what you think i am saying.

The fact you started this thread at all, is what is massively hypocritical. If you really gave a crap about Syria, you would not be using there plight to make a point regarding Israel. You are imho guilty of exactly what you accusing other of.

Freddie59

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

OP - we expect nothing less from a brutal Syrian dictator.

Israel however claim to be a flagship of democracy and freedom in the region. When in reality they are merely hypocrites, with a horrendous human rights record that speaks for itself really.

Kinda can't blame them when they were once nearly exterminated. They're making sure no terrorist scumbag Iranian President gets the chance to do the same. Good for them.

Freddie59

realies wrote: »

I reject the part where I am being accused of having some sort of pro Israeli agenda. and what was the answer i wanted to hear ?

It's OK. Some posters have a proven track record of ant-Israeli sentiments. Don't feel you're special.:)

Sunnyisland

wes wrote: »

The fact you started this thread at all, is what is massively hypocritical. If you really gave a crap about Syria, you would not be using there plight to make a point regarding Israel. You are imho guilty of exactly what you accusing other of.

Well maybe i went about it the wrong way all i was trying to do was bring the plight of the syrian people to the boards notice & by mentioning Isreal i knew it would get that notice.

wes

realies wrote: »

Well maybe i went about it the wrong way all i was trying to do was bring the plight of the syrian people to the boards notice & by mentioning Isreal i knew it would get that notice.

Except the way you made the point, made it more about Israel, which is counter to your own stated intent above.

Also, there are very few people who defend anything Assad does, and you will as such have shorter threads, as pointed out earlier. Threads on any other dodgy regimes tend to be shorter as no one in there right mind will defend them.

Sunnyisland

wes wrote: »

Except the way you made the point, made it more about Israel, which is counter to your own stated intent above.

Also, there are very few people who defend anything Assad does, and you will as such have shorter threads, as pointed out earlier. Threads on any other dodgy regimes tend to be shorter as no one in there right mind will defend them.

Ok point taken thanks.

Sunnyisland

http://www.amnesty.ie/content/dont-let-syrian-people-stand-alone


Just for anybody that missed it.

twinQuins

realies wrote: »

Yes Nodin i know that and its as dead as the people in syria, So because there is sanctions against syria we can all carry on & forget about it. lets not highlight or criticize,The minute a boat even points its bow at Israel there is a thread about it, I still don't get it,

The Syrian government doesn't hold pretensions about being the only democracy in the region.
To put it more plainly: Israel's actions are hypocritical because of how they wish to portray themselves, Syria's are not.

Besides that the situations are not exactly comparable.

Freddie59 wrote: »

It's OK. Some posters have a proven track record of ant-Israeli sentiments. Don't feel you're special.

Similarly right-wing hacks are a dime-a-dozen on this forum. You're nothing special either.

Freddie59

twinQuins wrote: »

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Awwwww. You say the nicest untrue things.:D

HellsAngel

Nodin wrote: »

...its in politics.

Syria is under sanctions from the US, EU etc, Israel is under no sanctions whatsoever, hence the disparity.

Not only that but Israel also recieves billions in ' aid ' from the US and the EU. They also have advantagoues trade agreements with both, Syria, Libya etc does not. As EU citizens we are rightly concerned that we should be supprting such a terrorist state as Israel.

SuperInfinity

The_Minister wrote: »

I think people just expect better of Israel because it is a Western-cultured liberal democracy.

We don't expect countries made up of free educated people to commit such crimes against others.

Oh the naivety. :rolleyes:

The_Minister, careful what you buy into. We are no more "educated" than people in the middle east. We are no more "free" than MOST people in the middle east.

You think math and english grammar has anything to do with living freely? You must be joking. They are merely tools used by the Westerners, many of the westerners who use the tools believe in it themselves.

The people in Libya wanted Gaddafi. Most people in Syria and Iran want their democratically elected leaders also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlFL0iGq-y4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5jfK2U1Lg

This whole idea of the middle eastern people being oppressed is an invention of the west in order to make them bow to their will.

The people of the Middle East DON'T WANT WESTERN INTERFERENCE. THEY WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.

They have protesting and sometimes rioting just like the Tea Party and far less bad than the rioting in England. They also can get away with things far more easily over there.

SamHarris

wes wrote: »

The thread died, because it wasn't really about Syria at all, just the same old defending Israel via whataboutery. If you cared about Syria, you would not have mentioned Israel at all.



I would disagree, as it seems pretty clear you see the ME only in terms of Israel, and nothing more. You don't care abou Syria at all, and quite frankly the thread is hugely hypocritical.

Still a valid topic for a thread, the double standards of SOME of those that claim they merely attack Israel on its record.

SamHarris

HellsAngel wrote: »

Not only that but Israel also recieves billions in ' aid ' from the US and the EU. They also have advantagoues trade agreements with both, Syria, Libya etc does not. As EU citizens we are rightly concerned that we should be supprting such a terrorist state as Israel.

This is rarely said in posts, it is often just attacks on Israel on their people, if it were about it being a liberal democracy and people "expecting better" as has been mentioned above, you would hear it more often from critics. You dont. Its merely the same mantra of it being an "Apartheid state" and a litany of its evils since its creation, obviously motivated by something else rather than real concern over human suffering as evidenced by the double standards in the levels of attention these incidents recieve.

Similarly it is often the most voracious critics of Israel on the internet that are the first to defend places like Cuba, Iran and Libya (see the Irish Anti War Movement, or any real poster who routinely attacks Israel).

SamHarris

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Oh the naivety. :rolleyes:

The_Minister, careful what you buy into. We are no more "educated" than people in the middle east. We are no more "free" than MOST people in the middle east.

You think math and english grammar has anything to do with living freely? You must be joking. They are merely tools used by the Westerners, many of the westerners who use the tools believe in it themselves.

The people in Libya wanted Gaddafi. Most people in Syria and Iran want their democratically elected leaders also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlFL0iGq-y4

youtube]3A5jfK2U1Lg[/youtube]

This whole idea of the middle eastern people being oppressed is an invention of the west in order to make them bow to their will.

The people of the Middle East DON'T WANT WESTERN INTERFERENCE. THEY WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.

They have protesting and sometimes rioting just like the Tea Party and far less bad than the rioting in England. They also can get away with things far more easily over there.

Case in point.

Also if you watch RT for your news you already have serious perception problems.

KeithAFC

Israel is in amongst the barbaric Islamic states around them. So it is understandable on why they defend themselves.