A surge for right wings groups.

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 4:35pm #1

Considering all that is happenning in London and elsewhere in the UK, I believe there will be a significant rise in the support for more right wing political parties. The BNP is sure to benefit from what has happened.

We are starting to see the negative aspects of multiculturalism to motivate certain people (people who oppose it) to commit violent acts, for example in Norway two weeks ago, the riots in London will worsen this due to the fact from what we have seen from footage on TV, that a lot of the rioters appear to be from a non-native English background.

The opinions of a surprising amount of people across Europe on multiculturalism was seen in the European elections, in the belief that multicuturalism is failing, Sarkozy, Berlusconi and even Merkel have stated it, it will not be surprising if British politicians start announcing it also.

What do you think?

aidan_walsh · 09-08-2011 4:36pm

We have seen it in Norway two weeks ago

We did? When?

it will not be surprising if British politicians start announing it also.

Why?

cosmicfart · 09-08-2011 4:37pm

I dont trust politicians at all so I might just go with the Green fairies next time.

Biggins · 09-08-2011 4:37pm

I think the BNP and its ilk can go to hell.

Superbus · 09-08-2011 4:38pm

Because the far right being in power always ends happily.

Celly Smunt · 09-08-2011 4:39pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Considering all that is happenning in London and elsewhere in the UK, I believe there will be a significant rise in the support for more right wing political parties. The BNP is sure to benefit from what has happened.

how would the BNP benefit? the BNP have absolutly no connection with the riots and the rioters,looters and arsonists are just as many white as black

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

We have seen it in Norway two weeks ago, and in the European elections, multicuturalism is failing, Sarkozy, Berlusconi and even Merkel has stated it, it will not be surprising if British politicians start announing it also.

What do you think?

The Norway shootings were commited by a right wing radical,if anything he de-moralised far right sympathys.

MungBean · 09-08-2011 4:40pm

aidan_walsh wrote: »

We did? When?

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

two weeks ago.

Apparently

Mike 1972 · 09-08-2011 4:41pm

pmcmahon wrote: »

the BNP have absolutly no connection with the riots.

Id say quite a few of their supporters might.

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

We have seen it in Norway two weeks ago

eh ?

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

multicuturalism is failing, Sarkozy, Berlusconi and even Merkel have stated it

Then it MUST be true :rolleyes:

MungBean · 09-08-2011 4:42pm

I voted for everything :pac:

Sykk · 09-08-2011 4:44pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Considering all that is happenning in London and elsewhere in the UK, I believe there will be a significant rise in the support for more right wing political parties. The BNP is sure to benefit from what has happened.

We have seen it in Norway two weeks ago, and in the European elections, multicuturalism is failing, Sarkozy, Berlusconi and even Merkel have stated it, it will not be surprising if British politicians start announcing it also.

What do you think?

Just because Sarkozy banned the burkah doesn't state multi-culturalism isn't working. It simply means no one wants people walking around with a mask over their face.

Berlusconi and Merkel stated it? When?

Because some psychopath in Norway killed a load of kids it now also means Norway are right-wing?

What are you talking about?

pragmatic1 · 09-08-2011 4:44pm

Without a doubt. This is how the far right get into power. They exploit disasters. Its like a blueprint.

Emiko · 09-08-2011 4:47pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

We are starting to see the negative aspects of multiculturalism marginalisation to motivate certain people (people who oppose it) to commit violent acts

fyp

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 4:47pm

Sykk wrote: »

Just because Sarkozy banned the burkah doesn't state multi-culturalism isn't working. It simply means no one wants people walking around with a mask over their face.

Berlusconi and Merkel stated it? When?

Because some psychopath in Norway killed a load of kids it now also means Norway are right-wing?

What are you talking about?

The OP was edited.

Richard Hillman · 09-08-2011 4:48pm

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Without a doubt. This is how the far right get into power. They exploit disasters. Its like a blueprint.

Its also the blueprint for the far left to get into power. When you hear loons like Richard Boyd-Barrett constantly saying "Rise Up", this is exactly what he means. He wont admit it but its the truth.

Saila · 09-08-2011 4:51pm

someone needs to dig up 'that video' about yer man on the street from the BNP talking ****e and add it here

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 4:52pm

Sykk wrote: »

Just because Sarkozy banned the burkah doesn't state multi-culturalism isn't working. It simply means no one wants people walking around with a mask over their face.

I have been living in France for the past year as a student, and I can safely say that the native French are very weary of multiculturalism, and I can say that the Germans that I know have the same opinion.

dsmythy · 09-08-2011 4:52pm

I don't quite know where multiculturalism comes into it. I'd blame the breakdown of the family unit.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Its also the blueprint for the far left to get into power. When you hear loons like Richard Boyd-Barrett constantly saying "Rise Up", this is exactly what he means. He wont admit it but its the truth.

I wonder if his British equivalent, whoever the hell that is, takes some responsibility for the same rhetoric...........

ItsAWindUp · 09-08-2011 4:53pm

I truly hope not, but it's quite possible.

Mickeroo · 09-08-2011 4:54pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

We are starting to see the negative aspects of multiculturalism to motivate certain people (people who oppose it) to commit violent acts, for example in Norway two weeks ago, the riots in London will worsen this due to the fact from what we have seen from footage on TV, that a lot of the rioters appear to be from a non-native English background.

Eh, you were able to tell from the videos that some of the rioter's weren't born in england??

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 4:54pm

Sykk wrote: »

Berlusconi and Merkel stated it? When?

Have you ever heard of Google?

sock puppet · 09-08-2011 4:54pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Its also the blueprint for the far left to get into power. When you hear loons like Richard Boyd-Barrett constantly saying "Rise Up", this is exactly what he means. He wont admit it but its the truth.

The far left are almost non existant here though, while that fuckwit Le Pen seems to be very popular at the moment.

Father Damo · 09-08-2011 4:54pm

aidan_walsh wrote: »

We did? When?

If you are going to do something self embarassing couldnt you just... I dunno....sh1t yourself in public for a candid camera skit? At least make it entertaining? Rather than make one of the worst posts Ive ever seen on this site, and that says alot.

Mickeroo · 09-08-2011 4:55pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Have you you ever heard of Google?

If it's so easy to find you should have no problem googling it yourself and backing up your claims....

aidan_walsh · 09-08-2011 4:55pm

We are starting to see the negative aspects of multiculturalism to motivate certain people (people who oppose it) to commit violent acts, for example in Norway two weeks ago

Thats not the fault of multiculturalism. Thats the fault of a madman with access to a gun and explosives.

it will not be surprising if British politicians start announcing it also.

Again, why?

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 4:56pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Eh, you were able to tell from the videos that some of the rioter's weren't born in england??

BACKGROUND, did you miss that part?

orourkeda · 09-08-2011 4:57pm

Where there's a perception of ethnic groups causing trouble, a right wing reaction will follow.

As an aside, the police are in a no win situation here. If they react in too soft a fashion they will draw criticism and if they react in too tough a fashion they will draw criticism.

Is this a societal issue that runs deeper than mere looting. It would appear so

aidan_walsh · 09-08-2011 4:58pm

Father Damo wrote: »

If you are going to do something self embarassing couldnt you just... I dunno....sh1t yourself in public for a candid camera skit? At least make it entertaining? Rather than make one of the worst posts Ive ever seen on this site, and that says alot.

I shall consider myself "schooled" or whatever it is you hip young kids say these days.

I certainly feel like I understand the points raised in the OP thanks to your counter argument. Bravo sir, bravo.

Mickeroo · 09-08-2011 5:00pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

BACKGROUND, did you miss that part?

Indeed I did not, my question still stands. If they were born there then they're native, also Tottenham has had a large non-white population since at least the 60's so it's quite likely their parents and even grandparents are english too.

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 5:00pm

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Thats not the fault of multiculturalism. Thats the fault of a madman with access to a gun and explosives.

Again, why?

He was clearly not insane, he knew what he was doing, but I understand that the senseless slaughter that he has commited can be labelled as acts of a madman.

Not supporting what he did, I am not a right wing supporter,

As a political science student I am merely evaluating what the potential consequences are as a result of the events in London, so a few people on this thread get off their high horses.

jugger0 · 09-08-2011 5:01pm

I hope so, too many greedy liberal weak wristed nancy boy cowards in charge.

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 5:06pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Indeed I did not, my question still stands. If they were born there then they're native, also Tottenham has had a large non-white population since at least the 60's so it's quite likely their parents and even grandparents are english too.

It is common knowledge that the UK and other nations has had problems with immigrants (illegal mostly) and their other generations integrating and contributing to the state, wether that is the state's fault or the immigrants' is still debatable.

Emiko · 09-08-2011 5:07pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

It is common knowledge that the UK and other nations has had problems with immigrants (illegal mostly) and their families integrating and contributing to the state, wether that is the state's fault or the immigrants' is still debatable.

So, it's illegal immigrants who are rioting and looting?

Mike 1972 · 09-08-2011 5:09pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Not supporting what he did, I am not a right wing supporter,

I call shenanigans !

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 5:11pm

Emiko wrote: »

So, it's illegal immigrants who are rioting and looting?

Quite possibly, remember all those riots in Paris that occur every so often, mostly immigrants or the younger generations of immigrants or children of immigrants (some of who were born in the state itself)

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 5:12pm

Mike 1972 wrote: »

I call shenanigans !

Call what you want, I said my piece.

PS. I am a socialist

Richard Hillman · 09-08-2011 5:16pm

dsmythy wrote: »

I wonder if his British equivalent, whoever the hell that is, takes some responsibility for the same rhetoric...........

I say his equivelent are the ones claiming to be "Community Leaders". The people who claimed to be "Community Leaders" were all over the media yesterday trying to justify the smaller riots on Saturday and Sunday. They seem to have gone missing today. One of them even said on Sky News yesterday about the Currys looting "When have Curry's built a school in the area?" :rolleyes: Thats the mindset of the something for nothing culture.

jugger0 · 09-08-2011 5:16pm

Emiko wrote: »

So, it's illegal immigrants who are rioting and looting?

He probably ment to say black people, as where ever large groups of blacks congregate trouble is not far away, any city in the world with a large population of black people has a high crime rate and thats a fact.

inb4racism

Mod: User banned.

Taco Corp · 09-08-2011 5:18pm

Skunkle wrote: »

I voted for everything :pac:

Me too! I love it when polls don't make me choose

Emiko · 09-08-2011 5:31pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Quite possibly, remember all those riots in Paris that occur every so often, mostly immigrants or the younger generations of immigrants or children of immigrants (some of who were born in the state itself)

Their colour or ethnicity has less to do with their rioting than the fact they have been marginalised, in the banlieus, since the sixties or so.

And that's coming from someone who lived for two years in one of the Paris banlieus .

jugger0 wrote: »

He probably ment to say black people, as where ever large groups of blacks congregate trouble is not far away, any city in the world with a large population of black people has a high crime rate and thats a fact.

inb4racism

So, cities with a small black population have low crime rates?

Mike 1972 · 09-08-2011 5:34pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

I am a socialist

And Im the Queen of the Outer Hebrides.

biko · 09-08-2011 5:35pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

We are starting to see the negative aspects of multiculturalism to motivate certain people (people who oppose it) to commit violent acts, for example in Norway two weeks ago

The Ap (Labour) actually rose in numbers after the shootings.

Labor gets the whole 41.7 percent support at a recent parliamentary measure. This is 11 percentage points up from the June poll.

The Conservative party, of which Brevik was a member of, went from 19.5% to 16.5%

Translated source

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 5:35pm

Emiko wrote: »

Their colour or ethnicity has less to do with their rioting than the fact they have been marginalised, in the banlieus, since the sixties or so.?

Care to go into depth on that?

Emiko wrote: »

So, cities with a small black population have low crime rates?

Not always.

RepublicanEagle · 09-08-2011 5:37pm

Mike 1972 wrote: »

And Im the Queen of the Outer Hebrides.

"I call shenanigans."

jugger0 · 09-08-2011 5:37pm

Emiko wrote: »

So, cities with a small black population have low crime rates?

American cities with the highest crime rates have one thing in common... can you guess what that is?

Emiko · 09-08-2011 5:41pm

jugger0 wrote: »

American cities with the highest crime rates have one thing in common... can you guess what that is?

Marginalised communities?

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Care to go into depth on that?

I haven't time. I'm heading out.

There's plenty online, if you care to look.

This should get you started...http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/article/23729/paris-suburbs-place-of-exile.html

MetalDog · 09-08-2011 6:14pm

Best thing to come out of this would be that the scroatbags who rioted and the BNP met up in a field and killed each other off.

Logical Fallacy · 09-08-2011 6:23pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Quite possibly, remember all those riots in Paris that occur every so often, mostly immigrants or the younger generations of immigrants or children of immigrants (some of who were born in the state itself)

Funny, doesn't really explain whitey hiding in his house while the Turks were out defending their ends.

4Sheets · 09-08-2011 6:27pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Funny, doesn't really explain whitey hiding in his house while the Turks were out defending their ends.

The turks know that other minorites rampaging wont attack them..they have common goals at the end of the day.

randylonghorn · 09-08-2011 6:35pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

Not supporting what he did, I am not a right wing supporter,

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

PS. I am a socialist

Odd choice of username, so!!

Logical Fallacy · 09-08-2011 6:39pm

4Sheets wrote: »

The turks know that other minorites rampaging wont attack them..they have common goals at the end of the day.

lol, **** me man, didn't realise they were handing out acid and cliff notes on bull**** over on the right wing.

That's the best post in this thread yet...keep em coming, i always love running into a person who makes me glad i don't share their world view.

marcsignal · 09-08-2011 6:39pm

RepublicanEagle wrote: »

The opinions of a surprising amount of people across Europe on multiculturalism was seen in the European elections, in the belief that multicuturalism is failing, Sarkozy, Berlusconi and even Merkel have stated it, it will not be surprising if British politicians start announcing it also.

What do you think?

Cameron already said it about 2 months ago, shortly after Merkel and Sarkosy.

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A surge for right wings groups.

More support for the BNP and other similar groups after the London riot?s 113 votes

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