Do you blame the poor?

Matthew23

with the riots hapening in london at the moment the question is on my mind- do you blame the poor for problems in soceity? I know alot of people say that poor people dont have the opertunities that rich people have, but i think that it is there own fault because alot of rich people came from poor families and made themselves rich in business or something. look at wayne rooney....

there is alot of violence and crime in poor areas, do you blame the poor for it or is it the goverments fault for not helping the poor out more? why is it that there is not as much crime in posh areas?

The King of Moo

Yes, I blame the poor, they're just trolling the rest of us :rolleyes:

chin_grin

Oh look Dah-ling he's trying to bring class in to an argument <takes out monocle> a-hawhawhawhahwawhawwwwwwwwwww.

FatherLen

ha i read the title and already decided i was going to say yes.
what are we blaming them for?

Emiko

I blame short alleles.

mackg

FatherLen wrote: »

ha i read the title and already decided i was going to say yes.
what are we blaming them for?

Poverty

daveyeh

eat the rich!

Matthew23

FatherLen wrote: »

ha i read the title and already decided i was going to say yes.
what are we blaming them for?

eh read the post i put up :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

J. Marston

This thread is gonna get nasty.

mackg

J. Marston wrote: »

This thread is gonna get nasty.

The good kind of nasty?

Rabies

Rich or poor, a scumbag is the same.
One wears a hoodie from Champion Sports, the other from Ralph Lauren.

People often a t as a pack in situations like this. Thinking they will get away with it. Wait until it's all over. I'm sure there will be names of some high profile person's son or daughter in middle of it.

meditraitor

yep, and the lefties

CiaranMT

Is there any other type of nasty?

Mr. Manager

Should probably throw blacks and jews in there for good measure :rolleyes:

J. Marston

mackg wrote: »

The good kind of nasty?

Lets wait and see...

Biggins

Matthew23 wrote: »

Do you blame the poor

No.
I blame scumbags just starting trouble so they can rob and steal.

The poor have equal good standards too and the vast majority of them do not do what was done in London.

Matthew23

Biggins wrote: »

No.
I blame scumbags just starting trouble so they can rob and steal.

The poor have equal good standards too and the vast majority of them do not do what was done in London.

ok but are there more poor scumbags than scumbags from posher areas? in town i feel like i am in trouble in hardwick street but i am safe on grafton street so maybe....

biko

Matthew23 wrote: »

With the riots happening in London at the moment the question is on my mind- do you blame the poor for problems in society? I know a lot of people say that poor people don't have the opportunities that rich people have, but I think that it is their own fault because a lot of rich people came from poor families and made themselves rich in business or something. Look at Wayne Rooney....

There is a lot of violence and crime in poor areas, do you blame the poor for it or is it the government's fault for not helping the poor out more? Why is it that there is not as much crime in posh areas?

For every Wayne Rooney there are thousands of kids that don't make it at all.
They live in poor areas with poor education. With poor education they can't get a good/interesting/satisfying job so they get a crap job. With a crap job they can't afford to live anywhere but a poor area. And so the cycle continues...

They watch other kids from better areas have cool things like expensive phones and clothes. They get angry and frustrated and want to lash out.

But most of all, they see older kids doing crime and driving nice cars, getting "respect" and scoring with girls and they want to emulate their older peers.
The parents are too weak to keep them under control and so they roam the streets to find something to do/something to break.

This is (imo) as true for black London as for white Limerick so not so much a race issue as a class/group issue.

The King of Moo

I particularly blame the poor for their reckless doling out of credit, the way they covered up abuse by the clergy, and the interest they charged us on their bailout.

Matthew23

The King of Moo wrote: »

I particularly blame the poor for their reckless doling out of credit, the way they covered up abuse by the clergy, and the interest they charged us on their bailout.

what do you mean

The King of Moo

Matthew23 wrote: »

what do u mean

I mean that some people from poor areas do indeed cause some social problems through crime and intimidation, but there are much bigger problems in society that we'd be better off being concerned about that have nothing to do with the poor.

ScumLord

The human animal is a by-product of it's environment. I blame the people who shape our environment.

smokedeels

No, I blame the rioters

CreepingDeath

Matthew23 wrote: »

with the riots hapening in london at the moment the question is on my mind- do you blame the poor for problems in soceity?

Yes for a good 95% of it.
Robberies, burglaries, violence, drugs etc.
The lazy scum who won't do a decent days work.

Social welfare should be given on a declining scale... dropping 10% each year you're unemployed.

CreepingDeath

ScumLord wrote: »

The human animal is a by-product of it's environment. I blame the people who shape our environment.

Bulldozer & JCB drivers ?

D1stant

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Bulldozer & JCB drivers ?

Coastal Erosion. Bastard of a thing

Frank Black

The poor are a right bunch of pr;cks,

but mostly it's the sick and the lame - those feckers, coughing, limping around the place, causing trouble.

Don't get me started on the meek - I'd lock the lot of them up.

Bipolar Joe

I can't ****ing wait until I'm a millionaire and am in charge of a bank and stuff, then I can stop raping everyone.

rockmongrel

Your ignorance astounds me.

Aoifey!

There are plently of poor people who have absolutely nothing to do with the riots, who are just as scared, helpless and ashamed of what's going on as those more well off. It is the scumbags causing the trouble, not the poor.

daenerysstormborn3

I'd say at least 60% of the people reading this thread could be classed as poor given the state of people's finances today so no, I don't blame the poor, if you were to blame the poor you'd be casting your net over a huge portion of society who up to 2-3 years ago were classed as "rich". There are plenty of "poor" people who give their whole lives doing an honest hard day's work so that they can get out of the "poor" class and don't resort to looting and assaulting strangers in the street to draw attention to their problems.

I would blame poor parenting as from the pictures and videos I have seen of the rioting in England, the majority of the rioters are just kids. Where did they learn it's okay to burn down a business, vandalise someone's house, steal other people's possessions?

mawk

I blame schools and to a much larger degree parents.

I do not however know how to fix either issue in a timely and cost effective basis

eco2live

I blame Pat Kenny

Matthew23

eco2live wrote: »

I blame Pat Kenny

the conservative journalist class? i think they can have an influence but it is pretty small i think.

Mickeroo

Yes OP, look at Wayne Rooney. He's a terrible role model for anyone.

Matthew23

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yes OP, look at Wayne Rooney. He's a terrible role model for anyone.

why? he is rich and famous and is very skilled at his job. he is also i nice person

i would have him as a childs role model ahead of tony blair

stephen_k

biko wrote: »

They live in poor areas with poor education. With poor education they can't get a good/interesting/satisfying job so they get a crap job. With a crap job they can't afford to live anywhere but a poor area. And so the cycle continues...

They are given the same educational opportunites as anyone else going to a comprehensive school in the UK... The majority of people coming out of comprehensive schools are not out there rioting... It's there for them, not our fault if they don't want to work hard, because getting an education, listening and respecting a teacher, accepting the principle of authority figures, is alien to them and is seen an opportunity for ridicule by their peer group...

Temptamperu

Matthew23 wrote: »

why? he is rich and famous and is very skilled at his job. he is also i nice person

i would have him as a childs role model ahead of tony blair

Yes his use of prostitutes that come up every few months in the papers show him off as a great role model :rolleyes:

Saaron

You can be poor yet still have good morals.

The people involved in these riots could be poor, yes. I think they've just been brought up with little to no morals and have no respect for anyone but themselves.

Mickeroo

Matthew23 wrote: »

why? he is rich and famous and is very skilled at his job. he is also i nice person

i would have him as a childs role model ahead of tony blair

I think footballers in general aren't great real life role models for kids, what about someone that had to use their brain to make it in life rather than how good they are at a meaningless game?

BrerWolf

YES!


what are we talking about?

Matthew23

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think footballers in general aren't great real life role models for kids, what about someone that had to use their brain to make it in life rather than how good they are at a meaningless game?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

you need a brain to play football at that standard , rooney is very intelligent and so are all of them, but maybe not in the way a surgeon or accountants are

steddyeddy

Matthew23 wrote: »

with the riots hapening in london at the moment the question is on my mind- do you blame the poor for problems in soceity? I know alot of people say that poor people dont have the opertunities that rich people have, but i think that it is there own fault because alot of rich people came from poor families and made themselves rich in business or something. look at wayne rooney....

there is alot of violence and crime in poor areas, do you blame the poor for it or is it the goverments fault for not helping the poor out more? why is it that there is not as much crime in posh areas?

Right ill express my view in full after I make clear that wayne rooney is a one in a million person. Imagine working into a community out reach centre where disadvantaged people come in and ask for job advice and telling them "look at wayne rooney".

Rantan

I don't understand why the army has not been called in(whatever is not in Afganistan) - introduce martial law for a night or two - then a curfew - make it quite clear that all looters regardless of social class will be shot on sight. End of riots and end of a few scum bags, its a win win all round!

mattjack

Matthew23 wrote: »

with the riots hapening in london at the moment the question is on my mind- do you blame the poor for problems in soceity? I know alot of people say that poor people dont have the opertunities that rich people have, but i think that it is there own fault because alot of rich people came from poor families and made themselves rich in business or something. look at wayne rooney....

there is alot of violence and crime in poor areas, do you blame the poor for it or is it the goverments fault for not helping the poor out more? why is it that there is not as much crime in posh areas?

my names Matthew too...............

Mickeroo

Matthew23 wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

you need a brain to play football at that standard , rooney is very intelligent and so are all of them, but maybe not in the way a surgeon or accountants are

All footballers are not intelligent nor do they have to be, same goes for accountants, they just have to be good at what they do.

I just don't think a lot of their lifestyles set good examples for kids, obviously there are exceptions, not to mention that a lot of them end up ditching school to pursue their footballing careers and then they don't make it.

Any footballer is a terrible example to give of someone from a poor background becoming successful, you may aswell give a hollwywood actor as an example the chances are about as slim of someone emulating them whether they're rich or poor.

sollar

I doubt many rioting are in gainful employment. Its just riff raff i'd say.

NTMK

Matthew23 wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

you need a brain to play football at that standard , rooney is very intelligent and so are all of them, but maybe not in the way a surgeon or accountants are

they have the intelligence needed for football no doubt about that but some shouldnt be left on their own
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article183106.ece

DARIUS VASSELL has injured himself...trying to drill a hole in his big toe.

The Aston Villa and England striker, 22, attempted the do-it-yourself surgery in a bid to burst a blood blister under the nail.

But his bizarre antics backfired and Vassell now misses Sunday's clash against Blackburn after causing an infection and having half of the nail removed.

Villa boss Graham Taylor said: "He really shouldn't have been trying to sort the problem out himself. There are people on the staff readily available to have treated the problem.

"Darius tried to get the blood out himself, which he now realises was not really advisable.

"I am not certain he looks after his feet properly. It was giving him pain and it seems he used a medical implement to try to drill the nail.

"The outcome was it still caused him pain and was infected.

"He's now had half the nail removed and that's left him struggling to be fit for the Blackburn game. But he should be OK next week."

The injury means Vassell now misses a showdown with former Villa old boy Dwight Yorke.

Rooney was lucky as were alot of people from his background. there is an untold amount of people with his potential have slipped through the net because they didnt have the facilities, the funding, or be in the right place at the right time

Mike 1972

Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight

Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night

While they:
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8OIl9t9hjk

sock puppet

Mickeroo wrote: »

Any footballer is a terrible example to give of someone from a poor background becoming successful, you may aswell give a hollwywood actor as an example the chances are about as slim of someone emulating them whether they're rich or poor.

Well I wouldn't go that far. I mean no sportsperson succeeds based on talent alone, it's their hard work sets them apart.

Mickeroo

sock puppet wrote: »

Well I wouldn't go that far. I mean no sportsperson succeeds based on talent alone, it's their hard work sets them apart.

I agree with you, but it also requires a lot of luck too. For every one of them that makes it there's hundreds if not thousands who don't.