Dublin Vs Donegal - Sun 28th Aug. 3.30pm

Monty.

Based on Dublin's excellent performance again Tyrone, Donegal will have their work cut out for them.

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Sunnyisland

Will ya let me get over todays result first :-)

Sunnyisland

And who is your man in your avatar ?

Monty.

realies wrote: »

And who is your man in your avatar ?

The one that didn't get beat up.

Kinetic^

4 tickets booked:D:D:D

rossie1977

dublin going in as massive favourites, the fans expectations skyhigh......surely only one winner so

mcgee will take connolly, joe mcmahon should have been dropped after the last game, donegals half back line will completely nullify their opposite numbers, dublin will win midfield but will be forced to hit long aimless balls into brogan et al, like kildare were dublin will be forced to shoot from outside the 50 yard line, its going to be a tight tense affair, donegal by a point or two for me

The_Kew_Tour

I cant see nothing but comfortable Dublin victory by 7-10 points

rossie1977

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I cant see nothing but comfortable Dublin victory by 7-10 points

the most donegal have conceded in 70 minutes of play this year is 10 points and that was last time out against kildare and it took them till the fourth minute of injury time to get that

tyrone only managed 9 points against them, derry just 8

boxer.fan

rossie1977 wrote: »

the most donegal have conceded in 70 minutes of play this year is 10 points and that was last time out against kildare and it took them till the fourth minute of injury time to get that

tyrone only managed 9 points against them, derry just 8

Ssssshh!!! Let the dubs build this up as much as possible. The more they believe they are already in the final the better for Donegal. Surely history has taught us that. :pac:

Monty.

Donegal hasn't really met a challenging team yet.
Donegal are fitter this year, at long last, and other than their swarm defence tactic, they don't play well together as a team, they panic easily, and make lots of mistakes. Dublin will take them apart.

petalgumdrops

Monty. wrote: »

Donegal hasn't really met a challenging team yet.
Donegal are fitter this year, at long last, and other than their swarm defence tactic, they don't play well together as a team, they panic easily, and make lots of mistakes. Dublin will take them apart.

I wouldn't be so sure!!

Monty.

petalgumdrops wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure!!

Donegal is a long drive home, and trust me, lots of ye will be leaving early. You'll be playing your first real team this year.

johnmcdnl

it'll be great to see the biggest display of sunshine supporters Croke Park has seen in years anyways :pac:

petalgumdrops

Monty. wrote: »

Donegal is a long drive home, and trust me, lots of ye will be leaving early. You'll be playing your first real team this year.

When playing against an inferior team as ye were tonight its easy for u to assume that Dublin have a free pass to the AI SF. I was in croker tonight and unless we were watching a different game I don't see how on the basis of that performance you can write of your opposition!! Dublin should have had 3 goals or more which they failed to follow through on. They stopped playing in the last ten minutes and Tyrone didn't play for the whole 70 mins!! Dublin had plenty of space tonight which enabled them to score points but they wont have that space against Donegal. IMO this will frustrate the Dublin forwards. Connolly was great tonight but hes an inconsistent player!! Donegal's style of play will frustrate Dublin's Forwards!!

TouchingVirus

Monty. wrote: »

You'll be playing your first real team this year.

You're talking out of your arse with the quoted bit. Kildare were a real team, and were marginally beaten over the course of 90+ minutes.

Of course it's great to let the excitement of today's sublime performance by the Dubs go to your head and have visions of Brogan, Cluxton et al lifting the Sam but I'm going to be a lot more reserved about it. The points made by the Donegal folks in the Tyrone match thread are valid - Tyrone gave the forwards too much room and often times were left without men back to defend. They were cynical most of the time, barging into the Dublin back line to get very soft frees and generally being ****. Nineteen points from play is both astonishing and flattering, and you can be sure it's not something that'll be repeated with Donegal.

As much as it pains me to say it, Dublin have Cluxton taking our 45s, earlier in the season their 40m+ shots were going wide a lot of the time and goals were what kept Dublin going. How many goals are Dublin going to score against a 14 man defence? How many <20m out points are Dublin going to have the opportunity to knock over? These are key questions that'll be answered on match day, but all of them leave me feeling like today's performance needs to be put into context, and the 28th is an entirely different day.

All that being said, come on Dublin - I'll be roaring & cheering from 305 again, and hoping it doesn't all end in tears like last year!

DessieMG

Monty. wrote: »

Donegal is a long drive home, and trust me, lots of ye will be leaving early. You'll be playing your first real team this year.

It's 180 miles from Donegal to Dublin But 500 miles from Dublin to Donegal, I wouldn't call them the first real team, Kildare were tipped as the number 3 team in the country and Donegal kept Johnny Doyle scoreless ( although he has a history of not performing on big days), I wouldn't exactly rule them out just yet,

What Dublin have is an intimidation factor more than the fluency and skill of a team like Kerry

muscail

wasnt great game, Tyrone were poor, Donegal much better team, and will be happy with what they seen today!

DessieMG

TouchingVirus wrote: »

You're talking out of your arse with the quoted bit. Kildare were a real team, and were marginally beaten over the course of 90+ minutes.

Of course it's great to let the excitement of today's sublime performance by the Dubs go to your head and have visions of Brogan, Cluxton et al lifting the Sam but I'm going to be a lot more reserved about it. The points made by the Donegal folks in the Tyrone match thread are valid - Tyrone gave the forwards too much room and often times were left without men back to defend. They were cynical most of the time, barging into the Dublin back line to get very soft frees and generally being ****. Nineteen points from play is both astonishing and flattering, and you can be sure it's not something that'll be repeated with Donegal.

As much as it pains me to say it, Dublin have Cluxton taking our 45s, earlier in the season their 40m+ shots were going wide a lot of the time and goals were what kept Dublin going. How many goals are Dublin going to score against a 14 man defence? How many <20m out points are Dublin going to have the opportunity to knock over? These are key questions that'll be answered on match day, but all of them leave me feeling like today's performance needs to be put into context, and the 28th is an entirely different day.

All that being said, come on Dublin - I'll be roaring & cheering from 305 again, and hoping it doesn't all end in tears like last year!

Your comment about Dublin relying on goals to win games is very interesting since Donegal have yet to concede a goal from open play in the Championship

decisions

I don't think Dublin have this in the bag. I think aiming for a large margin is a bad idea and so is thinking that we are in the final already. We need to go out and put in a strong performance. We are going to need the Brogans playing at their best and we are going to need a strong defense. We should dominate the midfield but that counts for nothing if our forwards don't have their scoarkng boots on.

TouchingVirus

DessieMG wrote: »

Your comment about Dublin relying on goals to win games is very interesting since Donegal have yet to concede a goal from open play in the Championship

Considering their style of football/defence, that statistic isn't at all surprising. And while Dublin scored no goals today, they did have 3 opportunities to slam it into the net. But between the long-distance shooting we might have to resort to, and the frustration the forwards will feel at the pressure Donegal will put them under I really can't see how anybody is trumpeting a victory by a considerable margin for Dublin. It's going to be a real slogfest, it won't be pretty but hopefully Dublin can grind out the victory

Monty.

petalgumdrops wrote: »

Donegal's style of play will frustrate Dublin's Forwards!!

All teams are wise to Donegal's crude tactics now. You just have to lob balls over them and you will beat them with skill all day long. This is what Kildare done in the first half, and they made Donegal totally impotent, and then forgot to do so in the second half and fell for the swarm rubbish. Dublin won't be making that stupid mistake. All you have to do is get a good fast lead on Donegal, and then they will fall to pieces and start arguing among themselves like headless chickens as usual. It will be like shooting fish in a barell. I actually feel sorry for ye. (almost). By the way, when are they going to teach Donegal fans how to drive and park when they come to the big smoke ?

TouchingVirus

Monty. wrote: »

All teams are wise to Donegal's crude tactics now. You just have to lob balls over them and you will beat them with skill all day long. This is what Kildare done in the first half, and they made Donegal totally impotent, and then forget to do so in the second half and fell for the swarm rubbish. All you have to do is get a good fast lead on Donegal, and then they go to pieces.

And who's going to lob these balls over from 40m? How low do you think the Dublin shots vs points conversion rate will be if we're forced to play that game? Because right from the start of the league through to today, I don't see anything to suggest the number is going to be high.

Monty. wrote: »

It will be like shooting fish in a barell. I actually feel sorry for ye. (almost). By the way, when are they going to teach Donegal fans how to drive and park when they come to the big smoke ?

Ah, I see now. You've got the rose-tinted specs on and are starting to troll, excellent.

themandan6611

muscail wrote: »

wasnt great game, Tyrone were poor, Donegal much better team, and will be happy with what they seen today!

and thats why donegal dominated tyrone earlier this year :rolleyes:

Dublin starting to peak - they will out-donegal in the defensive stakes and out-gun them up front.

The dubs are a team on a mission this year

petalgumdrops

Monty. wrote: »

All teams are wise to Donegal's crude tactics now. You just have to lob balls over them and you will beat them with skill all day long. This is what Kildare done in the first half, and they made Donegal totally impotent, and then forgot to do so in the second half and fell for the swarm rubbish. Dublin won't be making that stupid mistake. All you have to do is get a good fast lead on Donegal, and then they will fall to pieces and start arguing among themselves like headless chickens as usual. It will be like shooting fish in a barell. I actually feel sorry for ye. (almost). By the way, when are they going to teach Donegal fans how to drive and park when they come to the big smoke ?

That all sounds great in theory but Dublin have been know to lose the heads. If anything the Kildare game showed that we play to the very end - we didnt give up and were rewarded for that!! I just think you're naive in thinking it will be a walkover. Teach us to drive and park?? have u ever seen someone from Dublin trying to drive in the Country??? I think they think they do be driving artic lorries they take up that much of the road!!!

Stinicker

rossie1977 wrote: »

the most donegal have conceded in 70 minutes of play this year is 10 points and that was last time out against kildare and it took them till the fourth minute of injury time to get that

tyrone only managed 9 points against them, derry just 8

Kildare wouldn't have scored in a brothel the same day, Tyrone were today finally shown up as washed up and well over the hill, Derry only have the bradleys and I can see nothing but an overwhelming defeat for Donegal, who will resort to sheer negativity in an attempt to halt the attack. Dublin will blow them out of the water I reckon.

It will be a Kerry-Dublin final.

petalgumdrops

themandan6611 wrote: »

and thats why donegal dominated tyrone earlier this year :rolleyes:

Dublin starting to peak - they will out-donegal in the defensive stakes and out-gun them up front.

The dubs are a team on a mission this year

and also why dublin dominated tyrone tonight!! Tyrone gave Donegal a much better game than they did Dublin. Surprising with all that space Dublin couldn't convert a goal!! The dubs are on a mission every year!! too much hype surrounding Dublin every year!! It will go to the heads and Donegal will be happy to watch it all unfold over the next 3 weeks

TouchingVirus

petalgumdrops wrote: »

and also why dublin dominated tyrone tonight!! Tyrone gave Donegal a much better game than they did Dublin. Surprising with all that space Dublin couldn't convert a goal!! The dubs are on a mission every year!! too much hype surrounding Dublin every year!! It will go to the heads and Donegal will be happy to watch it all unfold over the next 3 weeks

Where was the hype for Dublin this year? After a poor performance in the Leinster there was little to hype - I didn't read a single prediction that said Dublin would win but there were quite a few with Tyrone down as the team to face Donegal.

The fact Dublin didn't hit the net doesn't worry me really, they had a 9 point cushion and it was approaching exhibition stuff from them. Goals when you need them are a different story

smashey

Monty. wrote: »

All you have to do is get a good fast lead on Donegal, and then they will fall to pieces and start arguing among themselves like headless chickens as usual. It will be like shooting fish in a barell. I actually feel sorry for ye. (almost). By the way, when are they going to teach Donegal fans how to drive and park when they come to the big smoke ?

Let's try having a good debate here without any trolling nonsense please

Monty.

petalgumdrops wrote: »

That all sounds great in theory but Dublin have been know to lose the heads. If anything the Kildare game showed that we play to the very end - we didnt give up and were rewarded for that!! I just think you're naive in thinking it will be a walkover. Teach us to drive and park?? have u ever seen someone from Dublin trying to drive in the Country??? I think they think they do be driving artic lorries they take up that much of the road!!!

On top of that Donegal are easy to get thick, all we have to do is poke and prod ye a bit and call ye sheep shaggers and you will start fouling all over the place and start crying at the ref. Donegal can never keep a cool head.

petalgumdrops

The fact Dublin didn't hit the net doesn't worry me really, they had a 9 point cushion and it was approaching exhibition stuff from them. Goals when you need them are a different story [/QUOTE]

I think its more to do with Dublin's inability to take open goals against a non-existent defence.

misty floyd

Some of the comments here are embaressing. This game will be anyones, I won't be putting money down anyway. Wexford put up more of a fight the last day than I saw from tyrone today in croker. For me, todays performance wasn't perfect.

Monty, thats silly talk. Will you stop making us look like cocky morons.

thatsnotmyname

I find the Kerry/Dublin final talk amusing

Dublin have to beat Donegal first
Donegal are in bonus territory and all the pressure is on Dublin

they have a terrible record in semi finals
it should be an interesting game and a lot closer than this evenings game

petalgumdrops

Monty. wrote: »

On top of that Donegal are easy to get thick, all we have to do is poke and prod ye a bit and call ye sheep shaggers and you will start fouling all over the place and start crying at the ref. Donegal can never keep a cool head.

Thick?? well I hope ya's don't put on Ogara at that rate!! :rolleyes:

teednab-el

themandan6611 wrote: »

The dubs are a team on a mission this year

Like every year. I still think Dublin are no way good enough to go all the way and win the All Ireland.

teednab-el

Stinicker wrote: »

It will be a Kerry-Dublin final.

Mr cocky out again.

TouchingVirus

petalgumdrops wrote: »

I think its more to do with Dublin's inability to take open goals against a non-existent defence.

16 goals in the league, 4 in the provincials. Doesn't look like an inability to score goals to me despite today's lack of a goal.

How Soon Is Now

Monty. wrote: »

Based on Dublin's excellent performance again Tyrone, Donegal will have their work cut out for them.

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TouchingVirus

angerfist2009 wrote: »

???? Why are tickets on sale on here and not ticketmaster and whats with them being on sale so early anyway i mean game just finished ffs.

What's the issue with them being on sale? No service charge and in before they get snapped up - win win!

teednab-el

Monty. wrote: »

It will be like shooting fish in a barell.

It could be like shooting stars if Dublins big players dont step up to the plate again for the next match.

petalgumdrops

TouchingVirus wrote: »

Where was the hype for Dublin this year? After a poor performance in the Leinster there was little to hype - I didn't read a single prediction that said Dublin would win but there were quite a few with Tyrone down as the team to face Donegal.

The fact Dublin didn't hit the net doesn't worry me really, they had a 9 point cushion and it was approaching exhibition stuff from them. Goals when you need them are a different story

I think its more to do with Dublin's inability to take open goals against a non-existent defence.

Stinicker

teednab-el wrote: »

It could be like shooting stars if Dublins big players dont step up to the plate again for the next match.

Well it happened to Cork, so you'd never know :eek:

TouchingVirus

petalgumdrops wrote: »

I think its more to do with Dublin's inability to take open goals against a non-existent defence.

You could have just edited your post to fix the quote I have already replied ----^

corny

If you could take anything from the quarter finals its that there is no substitute for good honest commitment. Both sides have it in spades and both sides, whether people like it or not, defend superbly. The difference as i see it is this.

People can talk and talk about Dublin not getting that sort of space against Donegal and they're probably right. What they fail to realise is that won't win you the game. Dublin are infinitely better, and i don't use that word lightly, at making the transition from defence to attack. Its an overlooked fact now after the subsequent drama but the first half of Donegal and Kildare had to be the worst 35 minutes of football i've ever seen. Donegal went sideways, backwards, sideways again because they couldn't break out from behind the ball. They defended brilliantly and made it difficult but they only got 3 scores in the first half and went 25 minutes without a score. You compare that to Dublin today and there is no comparison. Dublin moved the ball at pace with accurate (foot and hand) passing and got 19 from play. Dublin also managed the same total in one half of football against Kildare (1-7) that Donegal managed in the entire game.

Both sides will defend well. Only one side will attack well. It'll be the difference.

Just on the hype nonsense being a deciding factor. It matters little in my book. The whistle went this evening. There were no scenes of triumphant jubilation, no running down to Hill 16 with the fist pumps. Just like their manager this Dublin team mean business. If they lose against Donegal hype will have **** all to do with it.

PhosphoricAcid

Donegal will be a far tougher test than the one Tyrone provided. Noel McGee will not let Connolly run riot, Bernard was poor enough today and poor against Wex. Karl Lacey will have the pace on Alan. However, if you ask me Dublin's weakness is HB line, Brennan isn't a manmarker, McCarthy is indisciplined and Nolan is a rather average player.

But Donegals half-forwards aren't great either, their full forward line is their strength. And Ross O'Caroll can take Murphy imo. Mick Fitz or Cian O'Sullivan are capable of marking McBrearty or McFadden.

Dublin to shade it, two point win. Then lose to Mayo in the final

boxer.fan

Monty. wrote: »

fouling all over the place and start crying at the ref. Donegal can never keep a cool head.

Which team had the highest foul tally this evening against a poor team who managed to convert a significant score?

petalgumdrops

TouchingVirus wrote: »

16 goals in the league, 4 in the provincials. Doesn't look like an inability to score goals to me despite today's lack of a goal.

in front of goal?? Thats not how an all Ireland winning team plays! DOnegal wont be letting any past the keeper!!

teednab-el

Stinicker wrote: »

Well it happened to Cork, so you'd never know :eek:

I just reckon Donegal could be tough opposition for Dublin. If Dublin beat them, they will have a shot at the All Ireland. When the Brogans are on fire though they are hell to stop and Donegal will have to come up with something to counteract their influence. I think if the Brogans are off form, Dublin could be in trouble.

How Soon Is Now

TouchingVirus wrote: »

What's the issue with them being on sale? No service charge and in before they get snapped up - win win!

Because i use ticketmaster theres no sign them being onsale there yet and no date given. Plus the game is bloody 3 weeks away lol. Give people chance pay for one game first.

TouchingVirus

petalgumdrops wrote: »

in front of goal?? Thats not how an all Ireland winning team plays! DOnegal wont be letting any past the keeper!!

Pretty much all goals are scored in front of the goal and in close vicinity of it. Donegal haven't conceded a goal in the championship, and it isn't hard to see why when you see their defence tactics. I'm questioning Dublin's ability to win when they're not great at long range shots, and probably won't get the opportunity to score a goal given Donegal's tactics.

What point are you making at this stage or are you just drum-beating?

ayeboy

Love all this talk of Dublin in the final. Can't see the Dublin players getting too carried away though. Donegal's defence won't let dublins forwards walk right through them like they did against tyrone. The half back and full backs have been immense so far against some quality opposition...Dublin will find it extremely difficult to rack up the points.

My main concern is midfield for Donegal. I can see Dublin dominating here. But hopefully forwards will do the business. Have to say they were poor against Kildare. Murphy was injured and Mcbreartys only 17 but quality. Colm Anthony wont have an off day like last time out...he's been exceptional all season.

Anyhow... I canny wait for the game. Will be tighter than most predict. Bring it on!!!

Monty.

corny wrote: »

Both sides will defend well. Only one side will attack well. It'll be the difference.

+ 1. Donegal's forwards and midfield are a mixture of me feiners, prima donna's, and headless chickens. They can't attack as a team, or keep their cool, and their accuracy is woeful. The Kildare Vs Donegal first half was the most piss poor football I've ever had the misfortune to watch. Kildare got very tired and sloppy in the second half, that's the only reason Donegal fluked it.