Gaelic football All Stars so far

ondeball

What do ye reckon so far? Main players?

From a Wexico point of view I think the loss to Limerick will prob mean we get no nominations.

Seriously think that Graeme Molloy, Adrian Flynn and Ben Brosnan should get a look in.

Of the Dubs just Alan Brogan, James McCarthy and Rory O'Carroll have seemed worthy so far.

Half a dozen of the Kerry lads and Nicholas Walsh from Cork.

Stephen Kelly will prob be nominated to reward Limerick's effort, maybe Ian Ryan though.

SSK

Hard to know with 5 games still to be played...possibly something like this

Cluxton/Hennelly

Gormley
O'Carroll
Molloy

O'Se
Lacey
Bolton

Sheehan
Cavanagh

Moran
Brogan
Dec O'Sullivan

Darran O'Sullivan
Murphy
O'Connor

Probably forgotton a couple and I've taken some slight positional licence in some lines

rossie1977

donegals niall mcgee, karl lacey and kevin cassidy are certs for all-stars atm

mayos andy moran and kerrys darren o sullivan too, peter harte possible

doc_17

Neil McGee should get one......the only reason he might not is Tory O'Carroll. Not because O'Carroll is better but because there is loads more hype associated with the Dubs!

ondeball

SSK wrote: »

Hard to know with 5 games still to be played...possibly something like this

Cluxton/Hennelly

Gormley
O'Carroll
Molloy

O'Se
Lacey
Bolton

Sheehan
Cavanagh

Moran
Brogan
Dec O'Sullivan

Darran O'Sullivan
Murphy
O'Connor

Probably forgotton a couple and I've taken some slight positional licence in some lines

Is that Tomas O'Connor that you have in corner forward?

Think you're not too far off there based on what I've seen.

If Ben Brosnan doesn't get one it'll be a shame. He was pure class v Dublin in the Leinster Final and I haven't seen a bad game out of him in the Championship. Very classy forward.

rossie1977

doc_17 wrote: »

Neil McGee should get one......the only reason he might not is Tory O'Carroll. Not because O'Carroll is better but because there is loads more hype associated with the Dubs!

they will move them around to accommodate both, o'carroll has been dublins best player so far this summer imo

keane2097

Deleted User wrote: »

If Ben Brosnan doesn't get one it'll be a shame. He was pure class v Dublin in the Leinster Final and I haven't seen a bad game out of him in the Championship. Very classy forward.

+1, really classy player.

Hard to see him being left out if he finishes the year top scorer.

rossie1977

keithob wrote: »

ya think donie shine deserve one???

shine was better last year than this, wasnt great against leitrim, had a super game against mayo but was up and down against tyrone, mixed some great football with some easy missed frees, roscommon got further last year and if he didn't get one last year (he got nominated), he won't even get nominated this year

rossie1977

keane2097 wrote: »

+1, really classy player.

Hard to see him being left out if he finishes the year top scorer.

brosnan won't get one, frankie dolan didn't get one in 2003 (not even nominated) and scored far more than brosnan scored this year, dolan scored 1-38 in 2003 compared to 0-32 for brosnan this year

bren2001

doc_17 wrote: »

Neil McGee should get one......the only reason he might not is Tory O'Carroll. Not because O'Carroll is better but because there is loads more hype associated with the Dubs!

Neil McGee has been very good and if donegal progress any further than I would be suprised if he does not get in or nominated. Saying that, Rory O'Carroll has been superb for Dublin this year. He has been their best player imo. There is not hype surrounding him personally so I think it is a little bit unfair to assume he will get it purely because he is from Dublin. He is an excellent player, that if he gets it deserves it on his own merit.

SSK

ondeball wrote: »

Is that Tomas O'Connor that you have in corner forward?

Think you're not too far off there based on what I've seen.

No Donnacha from Cork, as League champions and quarter finalists I think they'll probably get 1 and he's definitely the most deserving.

Ben Brosnan was my 7th forward, he's really unlucky but I think the loss to Limerick killed his chances because the forward spots are so competitive.

Neil McGee ahead of Molloy is probably fair enough, I put Molloy in because his job on Bernard Brogan in the Leinster Final was as good a defensive job as I have seen all year.

ondeball

SSK wrote: »

No Donnacha from Cork, as League champions and quarter finalists I think they'll probably get 1 and he's definitely the most deserving.

Ben Brosnan was my 7th forward, he's really unlucky but I think the loss to Limerick killed his chances because the forward spots are so competitive.

Neil McGee ahead of Molloy is probably fair enough, I put Molloy in because his job on Bernard Brogan in the Leinster Final was as good a defensive job as I have seen all year.

Molloy was class against Carlow as well.

I can't see Brosnan getting one. He was out of the game against Carlow and quiet enough from play against Westmeath.

The way things are going Kerry could be on for four of the fsix forward spots if they give Mayo a good hammering.

Kojak

Deleted User wrote: »

If Ben Brosnan doesn't get one it'll be a shame. He was pure class v Dublin in the Leinster Final and I haven't seen a bad game out of him in the Championship. Very classy forward.

Its very unlikely that he will get one when Wexford didn't even make the 1/4 finals of the AI. Like it or not, the selection comittee/process in heavely influenced by what teams make the semi-finals and final.

Old_-_School

Donegal are guaranteed 2 after winning the toughest province and having not won an Ulster title in 19 years. Their most likely candidates will be McGee and Lacey
Mayo are guaranteed 1 or 2 after winning Connaught and beating the reigning Champions.
At most one will go to teams who've been knocked out already, possibly to Kildare.
Cork will get 0. Kerry will get 0 if they lose to Mayo. Dublin could lose and still get 1 from A Brogan. The rest all depend on the 4 games remaining in the championship.

phkk

Old_-_School wrote: »

Donegal are guaranteed 2 after winning the toughest province and having not won an Ulster title in 19 years. Their most likely candidates will be McGee and Lacey
Mayo are guaranteed 1 or 2 after winning Connaught and beating the reigning Champions.
At most one will go to teams who've been knocked out already, possibly to Kildare.
Cork will get 0. Kerry will get 0 if they lose to Mayo. Dublin could lose and still get 1 from A Brogan. The rest all depend on the 4 games remaining in the championship.

Donncha O'Connor is a certainty I'd say

keane2097

phkk wrote: »

Donncha O'Connor is a certainty I'd say

He really, really isn't.

Mr. Incognito

Why is cluxton floated around- he does f all every year and nearly always gets a nomination.

Kerry's Kiely for me so far- excellent stops at the start of the Cork game, against Limerick twice.

Darren O Sullivan is a cert as is Declan O'Sullivan.

outside of that it's hard to look past one of the O'Shea's for Mayo for one or that 19 year old that nearly won the game single handed. Killian O'Connor is it?

Cork, hmmmmmm lost to Kerry, lost to Mayo- hard to see them deserving one

Donegal should pick up one or two in the forwards.

Tyrone have a lot of football played but no individual starts yet.

If Dublin beat Tyrone it'll be because Brogan has a big game.

Still to early to tell with 5 teams left.

After the semis would be a good time to resurrect the thread.

DH2K9

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Why is cluxton floated around- he does f all every year and nearly always gets a nomination.

Kerry's Kiely for me so far- excellent stops at the start of the Cork game, against Limerick twice.

Darren O Sullivan is a cert as is Declan O'Sullivan.

outside of that it's hard to look past one of the O'Shea's for Mayo for one or that 19 year old that nearly won the game single handed. Killian O'Connor is it?

Cork, hmmmmmm lost to Kerry, lost to Mayo- hard to see them deserving one

Donegal should pick up one or two in the forwards.

Tyrone have a lot of football played but no individual starts yet.

If Dublin beat Tyrone it'll be because Brogan has a big game.

Still to early to tell with 5 teams left.

After the semis would be a good time to resurrect the thread.

His kickouts are the best in the country maybe that's why???

sanbrafyffe

i think feeny off mayo might just sneak one

PhosphoricAcid

Hopefully Hennelly, A. O'Shea, Moran , Cillian O'Connor and Trev Mortimer all get a look in.

overshoot

DH2K9 wrote: »

His kickouts are the best in the country maybe that's why???

paul durcan for donegal is giving him a bit of a run for it this year. his distribution against derry in the ulster final was superb.
and one goal conceeded-a rebound from a saved penalty in the last minute of the cavan match when they were well beaten. then again with that defence infront of him he hasnt saved that much

homerjay2005

Darren and Declan O Sullivan are 2 likely ones from kerry atm anyway, a decent semi final and they will go close.

apart from that, alot of football to be played in the semi and hopefully final and this will add a few if kerry were to do well.

cant see anybody else stand out right now, though Keely has had a good championship so far, Marc, sheehan, donnacha all have been decent, but things can change once its semi final and final time.

Old_-_School

phkk wrote: »

Donncha O'Connor is a certainty I'd say

In his 2 biggest games so far he got one point from play against Kerry and one point from play against Mayo. He's not going to get an All-Star based on one great performance against Down.

Kojak

Killian O'Connor from Mayo may or may not get an All-Star award, but I think at the moment he is the front runner for Young Footballer of the year.

Gael85

Paul Durcan

Hugh McGrillen
Neil McGee
Graeme Molloy

Stephen Lavin
Karl Lacey
Emmet Bolton

Sean Cavanagh
Bryan Sheehan

Peter Harte
Brian McGuigan
Declan O'Sullivan

Darran O'Sullivan
Andy Moran
Ben Brosnan

SSK

Gael85 wrote: »

Paul Durcan

Hugh McGrillen
Neil McGee
Graeme Molloy

Stephen Lavin
Karl Lacey
Emmet Bolton

Sean Cavanagh
Bryan Sheehan

Peter Harte
Brian McGuigan
Declan O'Sullivan

Darran O'Sullivan
Andy Moran
Ben Brosnan

Too many Dubs...

kerosene

Karl Lacey and Declan O'Sullivan my only certs so far, Sean Cavanagh is running into form at the right time though.

ondeball

Colm Cooper is a dead cert now.

Syferus

Andy Moran has to be a lock now and I'd venture Tervor Mortimer will at least earn himself a nomination, he's been full of endevour this year and has really thrived at wing-back.

keane2097

I'd be surprised to see any Mayo player get an All Star tbh.

If Dublin make the final expect Kerry and Dublin to make up the vast, vast majority of the line up.

yop

Brosnan top scorer deserves a mention, but I suspect he won't get it.
For good performances and playing hell against Cork and Kerry Moran might, but wont'

Expect the 2 finalists to dominate but if one was to get a shout I would like Brosnan to get a nod.

Utopia Parkway

keane2097 wrote: »

I'd be surprised to see any Mayo player get an All Star tbh.

Andy Moran is the only one that has a chance IMO. The two finalists will obviously dominate the team so there will only be a few positions left over for the rest.

Mr. Incognito

Can't see Mayo getting any.

Moran had a decent enough year but what was the largest total he ran up?

He only got what- 2 points yesterday? Hardly all star material.

Gooch is nailed on imo, so is Sheehan if he has a good game against Dublin/Donegal which he should do.

From Kerry- Thomas O Shea, Tom O'Sullivan, Gooch, Darren O'Sullivan should get one win or lose but the winner usually only gets 5-8 with the beaten finalists picking up another 4 or so leaving three random slots.

Pete_Cavan

For me, the All Star team so far is;

Stephen Cluxton
Hugh McGrillen
Neil McGee
Graeme Molloy
James McCarthy
Karl Lacey
Trevor Mortimer
Sean Cavanagh
Bryan Sheehan
Darran O'Sullivan
Declan O'Sullivan
Andy Moran
Colm Cooper
Michael Murphy
Alan Brogan

starlit

Cooper is in the running there after his fantastic performance yesterday!:)

Syferus

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Can't see Mayo getting any.

Moran had a decent enough year but what was the largest total he ran up?

He only got what- 2 points yesterday? Hardly all star material.

I can't understand someone trying to judge any player on scoring alone, let alone a player anyone with much of an experience of would know is more a playmaker than simply a scorer. He only played full-forward in the Cork/Kerry games and he doesn't take frees, where as just about all the people with big scores in the forward lines that are being mentioned do.

Moran has set up countless scores for Mayo for years but this year he was spectacular and I'd argue anyone who doesn't agree hasn't much knowledge of the Connacht championship matches he played in this season.

theoneeyedman

Syferus wrote: »

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Can't see Mayo getting any.

Moran had a decent enough year but what was the largest total he ran up?

He only got what- 2 points yesterday? Hardly all star material.

I can't understand someone trying to judge any player on scoring alone, let alone a player anyone with much of an experience of would know is more a playmaker than simply a scorer. He only played full-forward in the Cork/Kerry games and he doesn't take frees, where as just about all the people with big scores in the forward lines that are being mentioned do.

Moran has set up countless scores for Mayo for years but this year he was spectacular and I'd argue anyone who doesn't agree hasn't much knowledge of the Connacht championship matches he played in this season.

I quite like Moran as a player but the fact is yesterday he had 3 excellent goal chances and scored none. Hard to see any other mayoman getting one though. Vaughan at 6 might sneak a token nomination after yesterday but not an award.

SSK

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Can't see Mayo getting any.

Moran had a decent enough year but what was the largest total he ran up?

He only got what- 2 points yesterday? Hardly all star material.

Gooch is nailed on imo, so is Sheehan if he has a good game against Dublin/Donegal which he should do.

From Kerry- Thomas O Shea, Tom O'Sullivan, Gooch, Darren O'Sullivan should get one win or lose but the winner usually only gets 5-8 with the beaten finalists picking up another 4 or so leaving three random slots.

Darran O'Sullivan got 1 point yesterday in a team that scored 1-20, hardly allstar material :rolleyes:

Andy Moran should and most likely will get one for basically carrying a Mayo team to a semi final, they would be out ages ago without him. I don't see any other Mayo player having a chance. For Kerry I'd say Gooch, Tomas and whichever O'Sullivan (Declan or Darran) has a better final are guaranteed, with a few more possible depending on whether they win the final.

Brendan97

for donegal Neil mcgee, karl lacey, colm mcfadden, kevin cassidy and murphy will be nominated. but only neil mcgee, karl lacey, and maybe michael murphy will get ones

K-9

Brendan97 wrote: »

for donegal Neil mcgee, karl lacey, colm mcfadden, kevin cassidy and murphy will be nominated. but only neil mcgee, karl lacey, and maybe michael murphy will get ones

Mark McHugh has been very consistent as well, not as eye catching as a McFadden or Murphy but intrinsic to the team. Bit more confidence in taking points and he'd be a Dooher!

Fr Tod Umptious

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

For me, the All Star team so far is;

Stephen Cluxton
Hugh McGrillen
Neil McGee
Graeme Molloy
James McCarthy
Karl Lacey
Trevor Mortimer
Sean Cavanagh
Bryan Sheehan
Darran O'Sullivan
Declan O'Sullivan
Andy Moran
Colm Cooper
Michael Murphy
Alan Brogan

Far too much of a spread there.
All Stars usually come from the finalists, a few semi finalists thrown in and then one from outside that.

I think Declan O' Sullivan's chances are fading unless he has a really good final.

I'd say Sheehan is a shoe in for one at midfield, it's a poor year at midfield but even that is not going to get Cavanagh one.

The number of Donegal or Dubs there will all depend on which one gets to the final

I would consider Andy Moran or Robert Henelly from the Mayo team for an all start before I would even consider Mortimer.

homerjay2005

impossible to pick these now until after the final really.

If dublin win it, they will get about 8, seen as the media is based here.

if kerry/donegal win it, they will get 5.

cormac21051983

homerjay2005 wrote: »

impossible to pick these now until after the final really.

If dublin win it, they will get about 8, seen as the media is based here.

if kerry/donegal win it, they will get 5.

if Dublin win it they will get 6/7 as thats usually how it goes, same story if Kerry or Donegal win it they will have at least 6!!

nothing to do with where the Media is based IMO

DoctaDee

Well if you use last years All Stars as a benchmark - Cork received only 4, wouldn't argue with the backs - Kissane, Shields & Canty ... Walsh was a big surprise imo .. with his only standout performance being the AI final

I think there'll be a reasonable spread across 6-7 counties

homerjay2005

cormac21051983 wrote: »

nothing to do with where the Media is based IMO

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D oh u just wait and see, just wait and see....

keane2097

homerjay2005 wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D oh u just wait and see, just wait and see....

Hopefully we won't get to gloat about being right about this one till another year

Temp Barry

homerjay2005 wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D oh u just wait and see, just wait and see....

Dublin made the semi-final last year, losing to Cork in a very tight game ( tighter than the final) and ended up with 1 All Star. They were very hard done by.

In 2009 they won Leinster and got 0 All Stars. Not the only provincial champion to end up with zero All Stars, but if these "Dublin based" media (as if a culchie being Dublin based makes them more likely to favour Dublin :rolleyes: ) are supposed to be handing out easy All Stars to the Dubs, they're doing a feckin brutal job!

harpsman

DoctaDee wrote: »

Well if you use last years All Stars as a benchmark - Cork received only 4, wouldn't argue with the backs - Kissane, Shields & Canty ... Walsh was a big surprise imo .. with his only standout performance being the AI final

I think there'll be a reasonable spread across 6-7 counties

Dont think so mate.
Would certainly argue with these two.Rory O Carroll was the best full back in the cointry last year by a mile and as for Canty why dont the GAA just give out a lifetime chievement all star every year instead of the farce of including players who dont deserve one that particular year,purely on sentimental grounds?

PS thought Donncha O Connor was robbed-he pulled cork out of the fire in both semi and final.

DoctaDee

harpsman wrote: »

Dont think so mate.
Would certainly argue with these two.Rory O Carroll was the best full back in the cointry last year by a mile and as for Canty why dont the GAA just give out a lifetime chievement all star every year instead of the farce of including players who dont deserve one that particular year,purely on sentimental grounds?

PS thought Donncha O Connor was robbed-he pulled cork out of the fire in both semi and final.

Yeah I know what yer sayin re O'Carroll .. suppose there is a degree of a long term service award in the all stars .. was RC's first year as FB, for that same reason Canty received one .....

I don't mean it in a negative way .. but there were very few standout players on the Cork team last year ... sum of their parts were fantastic tho ... O'Connor/Goulding were great free takers, but not necessarily standout forwards, they even rejigged Martin Clarke to Half Forward, I think the selectors actually struggled to find numbers of Cork players as befits AI winners on an All Star team

SSK

So where do we stand with just the final to play...Assuming the final is close, I can see the majority going to Dublin and Kerry now, clearly the best 2 teams in the country this year.

Anyway...

Cluxton

AN Other (could shift ROC in here, or Gormley possibly)
Neil McGee
Tom O'Sullivan

Tomas O'Se
Karl Lacey
Kevin Nolan

Brian Sheehan
Not really sure on the other MF, don't think either of the Dubs have done enough, nor anyone from Donegal. Aidan O'Se or Cavanagh could get it by default, or even Johnny Doyle if he's nominated here

Andy Moran
Alan Brogan
Declan or Darran O'Sullivan (whoever has the better final)

Gooch
Donaghy/B Brogan (depends on final)
D O'Connor (as I think Cork will get one as league champs and O'Connor is most deserving. McFadden or Murphy could also get in here)