Confused about my faith

tazbars

Hey everyone, I'm 21 yrs old and I'm at a point in my life where I have become really confused and lost in my faith. I feel like I've no identity because I don't know what I believe in anymore. Growing up I was brought to mass every Sunday (as most children were) and I said prayers every night but neither of my parents were strictly religious, as in I was taught to live right and believe in heaven etc but the rules of the church such as pre-martial sex were never discussed or enforced. I suppose this is where my confusion lies, I don't want to be a half catholic? But I'm not sure if I believe that any of these things are wrong? To add to my confusion my boyfriend strongly believes in all these things and its great that he is sure in his faith but I really feel like I need to know what I want and what I believe in. Its all become so blurred. Any advice?

CiaranMT

tazbars wrote: »

Hey everyone, I'm 21 yrs old and I'm at a point in my life where I have become really confused and lost in my faith. I feel like I've no identity because I don't know what I believe in anymore. Growing up I was brought to mass every Sunday (as most children were) and I said prayers every night but neither of my parents were strictly religious, as in I was taught to live right and believe in heaven etc but the rules of the church such as pre-martial sex were never discussed or enforced. I suppose this is where my confusion lies, I don't want to be a half catholic? But I'm not sure if I believe that any of these things are wrong? To add to my confusion my boyfriend strongly believes in all these things and its great that he is sure in his faith but I really feel like I need to know what I want and what I believe in. Its all become so blurred. Any advice?

If you're leaning towards Christianity, why not check out the other denominations?

tazbars

Well all my family are catholic and I feel like I don't know enough about it to decide to leave it?

Monty.

tazbars wrote: »

Well all my family are catholic and I feel like I don't know enough about it to decide to leave it?

You will never know enough over night. It can take years. Take your time to carefully understand and study the reasons behind the teachings, morals and beliefs, one at a time, and remember for every reasoned and balanced argument out there is a reasoned and balanced counter argument out there as well. Study both sides. Then make up your own mind.

Fanny Cradock

Well now is the time to explore the truth claims of Christianity! And that is an exciting prospect. If you are really interested in getting answers - as opposed to ignoring them until they become unimportant in your life - then you should give up your time to do a little research.

With regards to doubt, I would recommend listening to these talks given at a conference earlier in the year. John Lennox makes some very thought provoking remarks and is well worth a listen. Tanya Walker also peaked my interest. Tim Keller talks about doubt here.

If you want to understand a little more about the Christian message as a whole then I would encourage you to listen to this detailed series of talks by Don Carson exploring the Bible.

tazbars

Thanks for those, I will give them a listen. Has anybody else been in this position? I am so completely confused right now, if I do begin to firmly believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church then I've been living a life of sin?

philologos

tazbars wrote: »

Thanks for those, I will give them a listen. Has anybody else been in this position? I am so completely confused right now, if I do begin to firmly believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church then I've been living a life of sin?

Yes, a few years ago. I decided out of curiosity to read the Bible and I thought about it and I decided to become a Christian. I also looked into critiques of Christianity (atheistic and Islamic mainly) and into Christian apologetics (such as C.S Lewis' Mere Christianity). I found Christianity overwhelmingly convincing.

I can't recommend the link that Fanny Craddock gave you enough. It's a long enough series but if you take some time each day to get through it, it will give you a good grounding of Christianity from which point you can look into reading the Bible for yourself and to make up your own mind about it.

I wish you the best of luck and if you have any Q's I'm sure we'll be happy to help you out with them here

IamtheWalrus

I used to believe. Used to pray a lot and argue with those who said there was no god. Then I did some research via books etc and came to the conclusion that it's so unlikely there's a god I can't believe in one. Couldn't find any evidence.

Fanny Cradock

tazbars wrote: »

Thanks for those, I will give them a listen. Has anybody else been in this position? I am so completely confused right now, if I do begin to firmly believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church then I've been living a life of sin?

I think many have been in this situation. The funny thing about people of faith is that as they advance in years often their knowledge of what Christianity is can often remain stagnant. They might be 30 and have the the same depth of knowledge of Christianity as when they were 12.

We claim that Christianity is coherent, that there is good evidence for it and ultimately that it is true and you can know this. Perhaps you should worry less about Catholicism and investigate first if you think that Jesus was who he claimed to be. As a non-Catholic I think that there is a vast difference between the teachings of a church and Jesus

It's good that you are asking questions.

paddyandy

When people get comfortable in anything they stagnate that is why life is a process of continual agitation until death.I was talking with an elderly person very comfortable in her faith only to discover she never thought about anything in her life.She understood NOTHING.

im invisible

paddyandy wrote: »

When people get comfortable in anything they stagnate that is why life is a process of continual agitation until death.I was talking with an elderly person very comfortable in her faith only to discover she never thought about anything in her life.She understood NOTHING.

and theres nothing wrong with that either, faith is a very personal thing, and sure if you believe god is good, say a few prayers and go to mass every week, whats wrong with that?

tazbars

thats the thing - i don't want to be a sometimes catholic anymore, saying prayers going to mass the odd time and not really knowing what any of its about. I'm eager to learn and I want to either firmly believe or not at all because where I am now I'm confused and not really sure what to think of it all

PatricaMcKay

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tindex.htm

The Cathecism of the council of Trent would be a good place to start.

forfuxsake

Have you considered the possibility that deep down inside you may think that's it's all fairytales and no more legitimate than throwing virgins down the wells to appease the God of Hailstones?

I am not saying I know there is no God but it's hard to believe in an all-powerful God that allows the abuse of children by his so-called servants or any other of the innumerous crimes that have been committed by Christianity. The truth is we don't know what's going on and it's time to stop pretending we do. Maybe church is not the answer, even if Jesus were the legitimate messiah, we have twisted his words and deeds so much that no Christian denomination can be the one holder of truth. Since the Church split into Catholic and Protestant, the protestant church has split into 11,000 denominations and they can't all be right. Who would not be confused?

Maybe instead of looking outwards for answers you should look inwards. Keep an open mind. Pray and see if your prayers are answered.

philologos

tazbars: If you're at college right now, I'd really encourage you to consider going to a faith society. There should be a Christian Union on every campus which are inter-denominational. You can see a list of Christian Unions all over Ireland here. I found mine incredibly helpful when I was at university. I don't think the list is the most up to date, so if you're at a different college PM me and I'll try and help you out.

forfuxsake wrote: »

I am not saying I know there is no God but it's hard to believe in an all-powerful God that allows the abuse of children by his so-called servants or any other of the innumerous crimes that have been committed by Christianity. The truth is we don't know what's going on and it's time to stop pretending we do. Maybe church is not the answer, even if Jesus were the legitimate messiah, we have twisted his words and deeds so much that no Christian denomination can be the one holder of truth. Since the Church split into Catholic and Protestant, the protestant church has split into 11,000 denominations and they can't all be right. Who would not be confused?

This is a misunderstanding of Protestantism. Most denominations differ only in respect to tradition, practice, or in respect to non-essential doctrinal issues (namely nothing that compromises Creation, the essential nature of Jesus, the Trinity, or the necessity of His death and resurrection in salvation). I agree wholeheartedly with many Pentecostals, Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists and so on despite the fact that I'm not a member of any of these denominations.

georgieporgy

tazbars wrote: »

Thanks for those, I will give them a listen. Has anybody else been in this position? I am so completely confused right now, if I do begin to firmly believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church then I've been living a life of sin?

If you would like an opportunity to study your own religion before abandoning it and becoming a protestant or atheist as some other posters are encouraging you to do, may i recommend bishop Fulton Sheen's talks on practically every question one could have

http://www.fultonsheen.com/Fulton-Sheen-MP3.cfm

http://fultonsheen.blogspot.com/2011/04/big-step-in-cause-for-canonization-of.html

if you don't like his style of delivery (generation gap and all ) there are many modern sources I can recommend as well if you want.

georgieporgy

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tindex.htm

The Cathecism of the council of Trent would be a good place to start.

that's a good resource but a bit out of date. The current Catechism of the Catholic Church is written for our times
http://www.catholicity.com/catechism/

Manach

Book resources you might wish to try which explain the differences and the positives aspects of Catholic Faith and how it has stood firm throughout the ages would be
'Catholicism and Fundamentalism' by Karl Keating.
'Everlasting Man' by Chesterton
'The Cube and the Cathedral' by George Weigel
'The Bad Catholic's guide to good living' by Zmirak & Matychowiak [great recipe tips with the classic "Top Ten Catholic Pick-Up Lines" ]

PatricaMcKay

Manach wrote: »

Book resources you might wish to try which explain the differences and the positives aspects of Catholic Faith and how it has stood firm throughout the ages would be
'Catholicism and Fundamentalism' by Karl Keating.
'Everlasting Man' by Chesterton
'The Cube and the Cathedral' by George Weigel
'The Bad Catholic's guide to good living' by Zmirak & Matychowiak [great recipe tips with the classic "Top Ten Catholic Pick-Up Lines" ]

http://www.mtc.org/bishop_s.html

You should also Bishop Strossmayer's pleading to the first Vatican Council not to go through with their insanity and The Papacy by Abbe Guettee.

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/guettee_thepapacy.pdf

Neither are by fundie Evangelicals at all but they put lie to a lot of the waffle that Vatican apolagists come out with.

PatricaMcKay

georgieporgy wrote: »

that's a good resource but a bit out of date. The current Catechism of the Catholic Church is written for our times
http://www.catholicity.com/catechism/

The catechism of the council of Trent is the classic statement of classical Roman Catholicism.

The CCC doesnt fit in on various points with classical Roman Catholicism.

georgieporgy

is this the catholic/protestant megathread?

philologos

georgieporgy wrote: »

is this the catholic/protestant megathread?

Agreed, we should be helping the OP think about their faith rather than trying to tell him which denomination to follow.

patrickk

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I used to believe. Used to pray a lot and argue with those who said there was no god. Then I did some research via books etc and came to the conclusion that it's so unlikely there's a god I can't believe in one. Couldn't find any evidence.

you should read this buddy :
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/god-the-father-one-most-urgent-message-to-mankind/

patrickk

tazbars wrote: »

Thanks for those, I will give them a listen. Has anybody else been in this position? I am so completely confused right now, if I do begin to firmly believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church then I've been living a life of sin?

This confusion means you are so close to been in touch with God ,please try to stay with Catholic faith .We are all sinners everyone of us including me goes through times in their life when they feel confused about their beliefs no more so than in the times like never before ,God does exist and He gives us free will to come to His aid every day ,when you start to feel the Spirit of God ,He will guide you .Never be afraid to go to confession,general confession it will lift your heart closer to God .On a very basic level confession removes guilt from your heart and lets your soul be free so Jesus can guide you .
There is a visionary in Ireland who Ive met and is not recognised by the church but who we should listen to as God is speaking to us all now and there is a tremendous outpouring of the Holy Spirit if we could open our hearts for one minute to it you would never want to be apart from God again .
Here is a message which is relevant :
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/confess-your-sins-now–do-not-be-frightened/.

antiskeptic

patrickk wrote: »

Here is a message which is relevant :
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/confess-your-sins-now–do-not-be-frightened/.

Wednesday 29th June 2011 19.00 hours


My dearly beloved daughter the help I have sent you will now spread My word rapidly around the world using modern communications. My heart is ablaze with the love for My special children who arose to My call. For they are the army who will lead My children.


All My blessings envelop each of those who help carry My cross for the good of mankind. The Holy Spirit is bestowed on those to enable them to spread these messages virally and with real impact.


My children and all My followers just remember the one thing that I want you to focus on. Warn the others to seek redemption before The Warning. They must confess their sins now and must not be frightened. Instead they must rejoice. There are only a few months left for this Great Act of My Mercy. Do not waste time. Go in love and peace.



Do not flinch in this work. It is for the good of all My children. All of those who work to spread My truth will be rewarded for their devotion and faith. My Blessings will protect each of them and their families.
Rejoice now for the time is ripe for the world to finally hear My voice in the way they should.


Your beloved Saviour


Redeemer and King of all mankind


Jesus Christ

I'm more inclined to highlight the orange bit (than the black bit you highlighted). What's supposed to happen in a couple of months? And when it doesn't, could you come back here and tell us the reason why the author was a false prophet?

antiskeptic

patrickk wrote: »

Here is a message which is relevant :
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/confess-your-sins-now–do-not-be-frightened/.

Wednesday 29th June 2011 19.00 hours


My dearly beloved daughter the help I have sent you will now spread My word rapidly around the world using modern communications. My heart is ablaze with the love for My special children who arose to My call. For they are the army who will lead My children.


All My blessings envelop each of those who help carry My cross for the good of mankind. The Holy Spirit is bestowed on those to enable them to spread these messages virally and with real impact.


My children and all My followers just remember the one thing that I want you to focus on. Warn the others to seek redemption before The Warning. They must confess their sins now and must not be frightened. Instead they must rejoice. There are only a few months left for this Great Act of My Mercy. Do not waste time. Go in love and peace.



Do not flinch in this work. It is for the good of all My children. All of those who work to spread My truth will be rewarded for their devotion and faith. My Blessings will protect each of them and their families.
Rejoice now for the time is ripe for the world to finally hear My voice in the way they should.


Your beloved Saviour


Redeemer and King of all mankind


Jesus Christ

I'm more inclined to highlight the orange bit (than the black bit you highlighted). What's supposed to happen in a couple of months? And when it doesn't, could you come back here and tell us the reason why the author was a false prophet?

nursextreme

patrickk wrote: »

Here is a message which is relevant :
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/confess-your-sins-now–do-not-be-frightened/.

If that doesn't convince the OP about about the correct choice to make about her faith nothing will. :rolleyes:

patrickk

antiskeptic wrote: »

I'm more inclined to highlight the orange bit (than the black bit you highlighted). What's supposed to happen in a couple of months? And when it doesn't, could you come back here and tell us the reason why the author was a false prophet?

There are many false prophets in the world today if you can find anything contrary to laws of God in these messages let me know ?
Anyone who defends the Word Of God has my attention but certainly this visionary has many discerning messages which are urgent as we all know life passes by in a blink ,noone knows the day or hour when we will die .Procrastination is a luxury none of us can afford when it comes to our soul .
A story which is relevant here to this discussion a friend of mine told me one time of a rich farmer who refused to let any of his sons or workers use the JCB in his yard .He has passed away and the JCB is rusting away in his yard today .Carpe Diem change your life now !

Monty.

patrickk wrote: »

There are only a few months left for this Great Act of My Mercy.

So how does your false prophet explain these words from Jesus himself ? :

"But of that day, or hour, no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, only the Father. Take heed, watch and pray. For ye know not when the time is." Mark 13:32-33

smokingman

OP, forget about everything else and spend your time getting to know who you are, what kind of person you want to be, what you want to stand for, what you won't stand for, who is important to you, what compromises you can make and live with and don't let any outside influence try and sway you.

If you're looking for direction, don't ever buy a map.

You sound like you're at an impass in your life and while I don't believe in the concept of any gods myself, I'm not going to tell you what to do. This is an entirely personal thing and your other half will never understand that anyway....'tis one of the beautiful things in life finding a partner who can never understand every thing you do

There are, as stated before, many people in Ireland who don't put a thought into what they profess to believe and it's admirable that you don't want to be one of the vast majority of casual catholics here.

Best of luck.

gimmebroadband

Monty. wrote: »

So how does your false prophet explain these words from Jesus himself ? :

"But of that day, or hour, no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, only the Father. Take heed, watch and pray. For ye know not when the time is." Mark 13:32-33

It's not about a second coming of Jesus, it's about a warning and a mini-judgement!

http://www.spiritdaily.org/illumination.htm

PatricaMcKay

gimmebroadband wrote: »

It's not about a second coming of Jesus, it's about a warning and a mini-judgement!

http://www.spiritdaily.org/illumination.htm

Monatism lives!!!

Monty.

gimmebroadband wrote: »

It's not about a second coming of Jesus, it's about a warning and a mini-judgement!

http://www.spiritdaily.org/illumination.htm

Hmmm so why only the people currently on earth, what about all the countless other generations that have lived and died without this big glowing alien conscience in the sky to help them amend their ways ? It's bollocks, and belongs in the realm of charlatans like Christina Gallagher.

gimmebroadband

It's also written in the bible.

http://www.markmallett.com/blog/2011/03/after-the-illumination/

tazbars

thanks for all the help and advice, i really appreciate people posting links etc but unfortunately with threads like this it just turns into a battle of who is right and who is wrong - probably why my confusion has come to a head in the first place. All the same I appreciate the help.

gimmebroadband

The OP is a Catholic and was asking for some advice from I would assume other Catholics. Yet, threads where Catholics share their beliefs or look for advice ends up being ridiculed by other 'Christians', and Catholics end up always having to defend their faith. I have yet to see Catholics ridicule Protestents, or Lutheran's etc. on the same scale, if at all. Catholics follow the 'teaching' of the Church as handed down by Christ through the Apostles and their successors. The clergy are the Instruments used by God so that we may partake of the Sacraments, they are vital to the Church, regardless of whether they are worthy or not. I always assumed a Christian Forum was about discussing beliefs, but it seem this one is clearly anything but! The teachings of the Catholic Church has been around for 2000 years, and it will be around until the end of time. It's had it's ups and downs through the centuries and always managed with the help of the Holy Spirit pick up the pieces and carry on with it's mission of spreading the gospel and administering the Sacraments. I have been to many other Christian forums and always found them courteous and willing to help. I would suggest you go to:

http://www.forums.catholic.com

Many christians go through a 'Dark night of the Soul', where our faith is put to the test. I will remeber you in my prayers and hope that you will once again find peace!

Fanny Cradock

tazbars wrote: »

thanks for all the help and advice, i really appreciate people posting links etc but unfortunately with threads like this it just turns into a battle of who is right and who is wrong - probably why my confusion has come to a head in the first place. All the same I appreciate the help.

Keep at it! Keep exploring and experiencing. While this thread shows evidence of the usual infighting associated with any large group (Christianity is certainly no exception in this regard), I think we would all agree on the basics, i.e. that there is a God - triune in nature - and you can know him. I would suggest looking at the basics first and then tackle the sometimes thorny issue of denominational adherence. First establish what you believe, then let the demands of these beliefs impact your life.

I posted this in a similar thread a couple of days ago, but it's worth posting again. Have a listen to this talk Simply Christian: Why Christianity Makes Sense by the ever excellent Tom Wright (Q&A)

Fanny Cradock

BTW, if people want to have denominational debates then there is a mega thread specifically for that purpose. Take it there please.

gimmebroadband

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

BTW, if people want to have denominational debates then there is a mega thread specifically for that purpose. Take it there please.

This was a Catholic asking for advice, and others railroaded the thread! But I apologise if I was out of line!

green_dub_girl

tazbars wrote: »

thats the thing - i don't want to be a sometimes catholic anymore, saying prayers going to mass the odd time and not really knowing what any of its about. I'm eager to learn and I want to either firmly believe or not at all because where I am now I'm confused and not really sure what to think of it all

I am in a very similar situation, I have always been very involved in my local parish (through volunteering with SVP), liked going to mass and praying, but when I actually took a step back from it and thought....I realised I dont agree with a lot of the core principles/rules. I dont agree that priests shouldnt marry (I think this is what attracts the odd/predatory characters), I dont agree about not "living in sin", I dont agree that homosexuality is the devils work. And then I thought, why am I faking it??

I haven't been to mass in over a year now. And as all my family are catholic and I believe in many of the Christian moral codes, I really miss having something concrete to believe in. I feel like a faker, but the family aspect in is what deters me from seeking some new religion.

Fanny Cradock

green_dub_girl wrote: »

I am in a very similar situation, I have always been very involved in my local parish (through volunteering with SVP), liked going to mass and praying, but when I actually took a step back from it and thought....I realised I dont agree with a lot of the core principles/rules. I dont agree that priests shouldnt marry (I think this is what attracts the odd/predatory characters), I dont agree about not "living in sin", I dont agree that homosexuality is the devils work. And then I thought, why am I faking it??

I haven't been to mass in over a year now. And as all my family are catholic and I believe in many of the Christian moral codes, I really miss having something concrete to believe in. I feel like a faker, but the family aspect in is what deters me from seeking some new religion.

As I asked earlier in the thread - maybe not in so many words - why not go back to basics? Explore the claims of Christianity, e.g. that there is a God, that he is knowable, that he revealed himself in the person of Jesus, that he is love and he is interested, very interested, in things like justice and salvation. You might ultimately reject these things but at least investigate them first.

On a personal note, I find it difficult to understand why people say "I don't agree with the RC teaching on X, Y and Z" and either live as conflicted Catholics - a la carte Catholics if you will - or reject Christianity all together. Granted there are many Catholics who would say that the two (Christianity and Catholicism) are inseparable (and please let's not have this debate here!) but if you already reject some of the teachings of RCism and therefore some of it's authority, what makes you think you have to throw away the rest?

Christianity as a moral teaching is fine but without truth informing it - i.e. that Jesus is God - then it's without any objective moral value. You may as well try to live your life by A.C. Grayling's tediously boring and trivially irrelevant The Good Book: A Humanist Bible.

gimmebroadband

The problem of younger Catholic people today is that they haven't learned the Cathechism of Christian Doctrine of the Catholic Church, which covers all the faith. I would suggest that that would be the first thing to look at, and go from there.

Omentum

OP i was there too. Don't believe anymore, but that confusion and bravery to question led me to discover more about myself and the world around me. Just relax about it all for a while, take some time out....Christianity or any other religion isnt going anywhere. Just live and enjoy life for a while......You will find your own path, wither back to religion or away from it. Just be happy, it will all fall into place.

alex73

Omentum wrote: »

OP i was there too. Don't believe anymore, but that confusion and bravery to question led me to discover more about myself and the world around me. Just relax about it all for a while, take some time out....Christianity or any other religion isnt going anywhere. Just live and enjoy life for a while......You will find your own path, wither back to religion or away from it. Just be happy, it will all fall into place.

"Indeed the safest road to hell is the gradual one – the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts." C.S LEWIS

Life is to find God. One life, One path, One Ending.

Omentum

alex73 wrote: »

"Indeed the safest road to hell is the gradual one – the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts." C.S LEWIS

Life is to find God. One life, One path, One Ending.

That is the purpose of your life. Maybe not the OP's.

There are many paths.

Monty.

Omentum wrote: »

That is the purpose of your life. Maybe not the OP's.

There are many paths.

Jesus himself taught the true path is the narrow one, the rest are distractions.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. " - Matthew 7: 13-14 NIV

Omentum

Monty. wrote: »

Jesus himself taught the true path is the narrow one, the rest are distractions.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. " - Matthew 7: 13-14 NIV

Totally open to interpretation. I would see it as meaning the narrow gat in your own psyche. You would see it as something else i presume.

My point is that that is completely open to interpretation.

However the OP was not about this. OP take time out abd breath. Life is fantastic, religion oftens crushes it. Live a bit and question everything.
You will find your own path, and of course that will be the only path for you.

Monty.

Omentum wrote: »

Life is fantastic, religion oftens crushes it. Live a bit and question everything.
You will find your own path, and of course that will be the only path for you.

People can manipulate religion or anything else for their own personal gain, they are the ones that crush life. You have to see past all that.

As a Catholic I thoroughly enjoy life and live it to the full, and I question everything about life, right down to first principles.

Omentum

Monty. wrote: »

People can manipulate religion or anything else for their own personal gain,

People do that all the time. Organised religions have a very good way of doing that imo.

Monty. wrote: »

I enjoy life and question everything, right down to first principles, and what the first Christians believed and practiced.

What about what you believe? How sure are you that the original word of Jesus is the word you prescribe to today.
Again this going of topic. You said there was one path, the OP was confused. I simply said he didnt need to be, that there are many paths.

Monty.

Omentum wrote: »

People do that all the time. Organised religions have a very good way of doing that imo.

What about what you believe? How sure are you that the original word of Jesus is the word you prescribe to today.
Again this going of topic. You said there was one path, the OP was confused. I simply said he didnt need to be, that there are many paths.

Jesus said it is a narrow path, posting your own opinion is fine, but if you have an axe to grind with other peoples Christian beliefs take it to the correct forum.

Omentum

Monty. wrote: »

Jesus said it is a narrow path, posting your own opinion is fine, but if you have an axe to grind with other peoples Christian beliefs take it to the correct forum.

You were the one who responded to my post, i meant no offence. This was about the OP. You criticised by post, and in doing so you have to be prepared for a response.