What players hold the all time top scorers records in GAA All Ireland history?

Worztron

Hi.

Can someone tell me who has scored the most points (goals included) in GAA All Ireland competitions in football and hurling since the first All Ireland competitions?

Thanks.

Roxy Mitchell

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davegrohl48

Hurling might be Henry Shefflin.

The most impressive amount of scores per game would easily be Matt Connor of Offaly I would say. His career was ended very early unfortunately.
Matt Connor I believe more than once was season top scorer without getting past the Leinster final.

Indie.

Pretty sure its Shefflin in the hurling

Downlinz

Shefflin with 471 points in Hurling

Worztron

Downlinz wrote: »

Shefflin with 471 points in Hurling

Hi Downlinz. Did you get that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shefflin?

Any idea about the most points from a footballer?

davegrohl48

If we had proper analysis from RTE we might know this. But unfortunately they'd let something like the stat you want float on by without comment. Colm Cooper has to be closing in on it.
Maybe Mikey Sheehy has it. He was in ten finals I think.
I think RTE only mentioned Shefflin passing out Eddie Kehir as top scorer. Not sure they even passed comment on him becoming all time top scorer.

K-9

davegrohl48 wrote: »

If we had proper analysis from RTE we might know this. But unfortunately they'd let something like the stat you want float on by without comment. Colm Cooper has to be closing in on it.
Maybe Mikey Sheehy has it. He was in ten finals I think.
I think RTE only mentioned Shefflin passing out Eddie Kehir as top scorer. Not sure they even passed comment on him becoming all time top scorer.

Keher and Mackey from Limerick had amazing stats.

Tribune used to be very good at the trivia side.

Best link I found was:

Top Championship Scorers of all time

1. Mikey Sheehy 29-205 (292)
2. Paddy Bradley 17-193 (244)
3. Maurice Fitzgerald 12-205 (241)
4. Colm Cooper 16-192 (240)
5. Oisin McConville 16-192 (230)

Surprised McDonnell isn't in there.

Lapin

The Gooch has a lot of football left in him.

I reckon he'll catch Sheehy before he hangs up his boots.

K-9

Lapin wrote: »

The Gooch has a lot of football left in him.

I reckon he'll catch Sheehy before he hangs up his boots.

Bradley is pretty unmarkeable on his day, scored 1-11 or something like that in an Ulster Championship match against Monaghan.

IRC McDonnell has the best goalscoring record, beats McConville anyway in Ulster, but points let him down.

Lapin

K-9 wrote: »

Bradley is pretty unmarkeable on his day, scored 1-11 or something like that in an Ulster Championship match against Monaghan.

True enough, I wouldn't rule out the Derryman either.
But I'll stick with Cooper as I think he is a couple of years younger than Bradley.

flahavaj

Cooper is younger than Bradley and Kerry will play lots more games than Derry will in the next 4-5 years.

TONYBURTON

Lapin wrote: »

True enough, I wouldn't rule out the Derryman either.
But I'll stick with Cooper as I think he is a couple of years younger than Bradley.

GET REAL COLM COOPER BRIANT FOWARD A HAS PALYED ON SOME GRAT KERRY TEAMS THAT BLEW TEAMS LIKE liMERICK CLARE Tipperary Waterford out of sight with massive scores,Coopers average return is 4 and half point a match.
Bradley i somthing similiar and in fairnes to him he would heve been on team rthat would have recorded such massive wins.
Also Matt Connor would have played on eams as good as KERY EVEN THOUGHH THEY BEAT THEM 1982 AND WOILD NT HAVE RECORDED THE SAME MASSIVE WINNING MARGINS.
hE WAS SO STYLISH TO WATCH JUST POOR GENIUS FOR STYLE THE NEAREST TO HIM WAOULD HAVE BEEN MAURICE fITZGERALD OF KERRY.
sO UNFORUNAT TAHT TRGIC ACCIDENT HE HAD IN 1984 WHICH APART FROM EVERYTHING ELSE ENDED HIS CAREER.
bUT IN 29 CHAMPIOSHIP GAMES FOR oFFALY HE SCORED 22 GOALS AND 135 POINTS A NAVERAGE RETURN OF 7 PTS A GAME.nO CONTEST WHO WAS BEST EVER

keane2097

TONYBURTON wrote: »

GET REAL COLM COOPER BRIANT FOWARD A HAS PALYED ON SOME GRAT KERRY TEAMS THAT BLEW TEAMS LIKE liMERICK CLARE Tipperary Waterford out of sight with massive scores,Coopers average return is 4 and half point a match.
Bradley i somthing similiar and in fairnes to him he would heve been on team rthat would have recorded such massive wins.
Also Matt Connor would have played on eams as good as KERY EVEN THOUGHH THEY BEAT THEM 1982 AND WOILD NT HAVE RECORDED THE SAME MASSIVE WINNING MARGINS.
hE WAS SO STYLISH TO WATCH JUST POOR GENIUS FOR STYLE THE NEAREST TO HIM WAOULD HAVE BEEN MAURICE fITZGERALD OF KERRY.
sO UNFORUNAT TAHT TRGIC ACCIDENT HE HAD IN 1984 WHICH APART FROM EVERYTHING ELSE ENDED HIS CAREER.
bUT IN 29 CHAMPIOSHIP GAMES FOR oFFALY HE SCORED 22 GOALS AND 135 POINTS A NAVERAGE RETURN OF 7 PTS A GAME.nO CONTEST WHO WAS BEST EVER

The_Kew_Tour

TONYBURTON wrote: »

GET REAL COLM COOPER BRIANT FOWARD A HAS PALYED ON SOME GRAT KERRY TEAMS THAT BLEW TEAMS LIKE liMERICK CLARE Tipperary Waterford out of sight with massive scores,Coopers average return is 4 and half point a match.
Bradley i somthing similiar and in fairnes to him he would heve been on team rthat would have recorded such massive wins.
Also Matt Connor would have played on eams as good as KERY EVEN THOUGHH THEY BEAT THEM 1982 AND WOILD NT HAVE RECORDED THE SAME MASSIVE WINNING MARGINS.
hE WAS SO STYLISH TO WATCH JUST POOR GENIUS FOR STYLE THE NEAREST TO HIM WAOULD HAVE BEEN MAURICE fITZGERALD OF KERRY.
sO UNFORUNAT TAHT TRGIC ACCIDENT HE HAD IN 1984 WHICH APART FROM EVERYTHING ELSE ENDED HIS CAREER.
bUT IN 29 CHAMPIOSHIP GAMES FOR oFFALY HE SCORED 22 GOALS AND 135 POINTS A NAVERAGE RETURN OF 7 PTS A GAME.nO CONTEST WHO WAS BEST EVER

Fandango

TONYBURTON wrote: »

GET REAL COLM COOPER BRIANT FOWARD A HAS PALYED ON SOME GRAT KERRY TEAMS THAT BLEW TEAMS LIKE liMERICK CLARE Tipperary Waterford out of sight with massive scores,Coopers average return is 4 and half point a match.
Bradley i somthing similiar and in fairnes to him he would heve been on team rthat would have recorded such massive wins.
Also Matt Connor would have played on eams as good as KERY EVEN THOUGHH THEY BEAT THEM 1982 AND WOILD NT HAVE RECORDED THE SAME MASSIVE WINNING MARGINS.
hE WAS SO STYLISH TO WATCH JUST POOR GENIUS FOR STYLE THE NEAREST TO HIM WAOULD HAVE BEEN MAURICE fITZGERALD OF KERRY.
sO UNFORUNAT TAHT TRGIC ACCIDENT HE HAD IN 1984 WHICH APART FROM EVERYTHING ELSE ENDED HIS CAREER.
bUT IN 29 CHAMPIOSHIP GAMES FOR oFFALY HE SCORED 22 GOALS AND 135 POINTS A NAVERAGE RETURN OF 7 PTS A GAME.nO CONTEST WHO WAS BEST EVER

overshoot

flahavaj wrote: »

Cooper is younger than Bradley and Kerry will play lots more games than Derry will in the next 4-5 years.

no guarantee on that, without any replays kerry would be in the AI final with 4 games played this year. Donegal played 4 to win ulster +1 atm + another if they are to reach the AI final so the ulster teams can play just as many games without going so far in the all ireland

flahavaj

overshoot wrote: »

no guarantee on that, without any replays kerry would be in the AI final with 4 games played this year. Donegal played 4 to win ulster +1 atm + another if they are to reach the AI final so the ulster teams can play just as many games without going so far in the all ireland

But Kerry are still a far better bet to play 4-5 gajes every year, given they've been in 8 of the last 9 finals, whereas Derry have been strangers to the latter stages of the championship in recent years.

Cooper will do it.

Mr. Incognito

That list doesn't include Gooch's ten over the weekend or any in the game or two before that.

His total was in yesterday's Independent

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/genius-cooper-earns-special-oconnor-praise-2854126.html

These are the days he loves and this is the venue he thrives in most. In 28 Croke Park games for Kerry he has amassed 8-119, giving him an average of just over five points per game. At all other venues that average dips to just under 3.5 points, 9-98 in 36 games.

That's 17-217=268

Which puts him second behind Sheehy. 292-268=24

It's inconceivable he won't get a score in the Final so he should become the all time top scorer next season- at 28.

That's unreal.

aidan24326

If he's only 24 pts behind Sheehy now then it's a done deal that he'll overtake him if not next year then most certainly the year after. Probably next year though.

Must be said that teams play more games nowadays with the qualifiers and quarter finals added in, so you'd have to look at averages aswell, and how much a player scored in the really big/important games as opposed to those first round wallopings of the likes of Clare or Carlow.

But the fact Gooch averages more scores in Croke Park than any other venue suugests that his stats would stack up no matter what way you look at it.

In terms of averages Matt Connor from Offaly was unreal, and more recently Mattie Forde aswell. But those guys didn't get to play as many games.

Worztron

I have these noted as of 4-Sep-2010

FOOTBALL (Goals-Points-Total)
1. Mikey Sheehy 29-205 (292)
2. Paddy Bradley 17-193 (244)
3. Maurice Fitzgerald 12-205 (241)
4. Colm Cooper 16-192 (240)

What is the latest tally? Is Colm Cooper the only currently playing from this list?

plasmaguy

Several if not all of these were their team's main freetaker, not taking anything away from that, many of their frees were very well taken.

Just wondering who would have scored the most from open play. There's probably no stats for that. In football, I'd say someone like Pat Spillane scored a lot of points from play.

RGS

We are not comparing like with like when seeking answers to these questions.

Players are getting more games due to qualifiers and QF in both hurling and football.

Sheedy and Kehir made their scores in approx. 4 games a year whereas players now could play 8 games in a season.

davegrohl48

Scored from play per game it would have to be either Colm Cooper or Matt Connor (and looks to be most likely Matt Connor). Based on the fact that both were so rarely held scoreless and a regular amount of matches per season were the highest scorer from play for their team. Also the fact that they got plenty goals each season from play.

I doubt it is possible to compile stats for it. For Cooper possibly but you'd have to collect all the match reports from a paper like the Kerryman and subtract how many of his scores are marked as (f) - frees.

Does anyone know if Cooper has ever been held scoreless from play at intercount level? (Checked this and he was held scorless this year from play and Donaghy as well in league against Mayo). I wonder at championship level at intercounty?

Found an article in Kerryman by coincidence which claims Matt Connor as all time top league and championship scorer.
http://www.kerryman.ie/sport/other-sports/the-name-of-offalys-matt-connor-conjures-up-many-memories-for-kerry-fans-1167413.html

In 4 games in 1980 championship Connor scored 5-31. His record is noted as 38-383 for league and championship between '78 and '84. Hard to see that volume of scoring ever being topped.

Worztron

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

That's 17-217=268

Is Colin Coopers total points up to and including the last game (Kerry vs Mayo) = 268?

68Murph68

On the Terrace Talk website

http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/29/Colm-Cooper

It lists Cooper's total up until the end of last year as 16-192

He is in second place in the scorer's chart for this year with 1-24 (with the final to come) so I reckon he is on 17-216 to date, which is a total of 267 points.

Only needs 6 points in the final to overtake Ben Brosnan in top scorer list. I'd say Ben is sweating a bit after last weekend's performance.

Cant really see any Donegal or Dublin player getting up there now even with potentially two games left given none of them are in the top ten scorers at the moment, and given Donegal's involvment in the semi (don't score all that much and don't concede all that much) and the fact that it's pretty rare for a massive score to be racked up in the final.

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/championship-top-scorers/

Overall I'd imagine Gooch has a serious shot of overtaking Mikey Sheehy given the difference is currently 25 points. He has the final yet to play this year and barring injury and if he keeps up his previous average I'd say he has a serious shout of doing it next year. Given the fact that he only turned 28 in June depending on how long more he keeps going he has to be in with a serious shout of setting out a absolutely huge haul.

The figures for Mikey Sheehy look to be coming from the Terrace Talk site as well http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/player/164/Mike-Sheehy

Sheehy 292 : 25-205
Cooper 267 : 17-216
Bradley 244 : 17-193 - not 100% sure on a source for these.
Fitzgerald 241 : 12-205

dring

Cork records are here

http://www.corkgaaresults.com/cork-football-1887-present.html

http://www.corkgaaresults.com/cork-hurling-1887-present.html

68Murph68

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Does anyone know if Cooper has ever been held scoreless from play at intercounty level? (Checked this and he was held scorless this year from play and Donaghy as well in league against Mayo). I wonder at championship level at intercounty?

Terracetalk site shows a few occasions - probably worth checking if these were sub appearance/how long he was on the pitch in these games

davegrohl48 wrote: »

In 4 games in 1980 championship Connor scored 5-31. His record is noted as 38-383 for league and championship between '78 and '84. Hard to see that volume of scoring ever being topped.

I think Cooper is on a total of 28-343 for both championship and league
Terracetalk had him on 11-111 for the league up to and including 2010 and I reckon he scored 21 points in the league this year which takes him up to
11-132 which gives a combined 165 points in the league

Championship 267 :17-216
League 165: 11-132
Combined Inter-county 432 : 28-348

Not that impossible that he might get the overall title off Connor depending on how long more he plays. Not inconceivable that Cooper could play for another 5 years.

Currently stands at Cooper 432 vs Connor 497

Kinda a shame Connor didnt break the total 500 mark - still an awesome achievement.

dring

68Murph68 wrote: »

Terracetalk site shows a few occasions - probably worth checking if these were sub appearance/how long he was on the pitch in these games

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/rebels-rout-jaded-kingdom-1773233.html

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2009/0920/kerry_cork.html

Worztron

dring wrote: »

Cork records are here
http://www.corkgaaresults.com/cork-football-1887-present.html
http://www.corkgaaresults.com/cork-hurling-1887-present.html

Are those for GAA All Ireland only or both League & All Ireland?

68Murph68

68Murph68 wrote: »

Terracetalk site shows a few occasions - probably worth checking if these were sub appearance/how long he was on the pitch in these games

I think Cooper is on a total of 28-343 for both championship and league
Terracetalk had him on 11-111 for the league up to and including 2010 and I reckon he scored 21 points in the league this year which takes him up to
11-132 which gives a combined 165 points in the league

Championship 267 :17-216
League 165: 11-132
Combined Inter-county 432 : 28-348

Not that impossible that he might get the overall title off Connor depending on how long more he plays. Not inconceivable that Cooper could play for another 5 years.

Currently stands at Cooper 432 vs Connor 497

Kinda a shame Connor didnt break the total 500 mark - still an awesome achievement.

After yesterday's game

Championship 273 :18-219
League 165: 11-132
Combined Inter-county 438 : 29-351

Only needs 19 points to overtake Mikey Sheehy as Kerry's top Championship scorer ever.

Anyone know what Matt Connor's Championship total was?

smileyoconnor

Jimmy keaveney (dublin) has the record for highest scorer in a all ireland final (74 v armagh) scorin 2-6 from play. He is known as one of the greatest players of all time and many clubs in dublin use him as an example for young up and coming players

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