Five arrested over the murder of Ronan Kerr

steddyeddy

In my opinion the man was murdered by the real ira because he was catholic this is a blatant example of sectarianism that needs to be stamped out.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0726/kerrr.html

Sunnyisland

Steddyeddy your right about stamping out sectarianism and i totally condem Ronan kerr murder, But he was murdered because he was in the psni and a catholic, If that shower just wanted to kill catholics there would be a lot more dead.

steddyeddy

realies wrote: »

Steddyeddy your right about stamping out sectarianism and i totally condem Ronan kerr murder, But he was murdered because he was in the psni and a catholic, If that shower just wanted to kill catholics there would be a lot more dead.

Oh I totally agree that the Ira are not a sectarian group, for instance when loyalists were burning catholics out of their houses during the civil rights marchs the ira refused to get involved as they said attacking protestents would be sectarian! I do think it was wrong to kill this man because he was a catholic in the psni though.

Wolfe Tone

I think he was mainly killed because he was in a "British police force", the catholic bit was secondary imo.

I wonder how this will pan out, I read elsewhere that one of the men arrested wasn't even in the country when all this occurred so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Anyway, since that attack there has been a huge crackdown and lots of arrests, raids and seizing of equipment, they got a mortar the other day in Ardoyne.

amacachi

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I think he was mainly killed because he was in a "British police force", the catholic bit was secondary imo.

I wonder how this will pan out, I read elsewhere that one of the men arrested wasn't even in the country when all this occurred so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Anyway, since that attack there has been a huge crackdown and lots of arrests, raids and seizing of equipment, they got a mortar the other day in Ardoyne.

Are not the vast majority of attacks by "Republicans" on the police in the North against Catholics despite them making up a minority of the force?

Alopex

the fact he was catholic is incidental they'd kill any police officer they could. catholics are more vulnerable because ira come from catholic backgrounds therefore if a catholic becomes a copper it gets through the grapevine faster. many catholics who join psni move home for this reason

Wolfe Tone

amacachi wrote: »

Are not the vast majority of attacks by "Republicans" on the police in the North against Catholics despite them making up a minority of the force?

I see little need for using "republicans" I really despise the "No I am a real republican!" crap that gets trotted out, they are republicans, no point denying it.

Are they? They would be just as pleased to get a protestant one imo, as I said it was perhaps a secondary motivation, but the main one would be to get a member of the British security forces, they would compare it with the targeting of RIC men in the south back in the day, while being Catholic and Irish they were still part of the occupying forces.

The targeting of catholic members could also simply be for operational reasons, based on where they live, their families and friends etc, I imagine it would be easier to gather intelligence on them than their protestant collegues.

Regardless, based on the reaction to the death of Ronan Kerr, a young handsome GAA playing Catholic, if there is a policy of specifically targeting catholic police men because they are catholic cops rather than simply being cops, I would be surprised if that policy was not reevaluated.

I read this today which some may find interesting, its relevant if it is accurate;

THE threat from dissident republicans has contributed to almost 300 officers leaving the PSNI after no more than five years’ service, it has been claimed.


And 63 of these officers left after just one year, the News Letter can reveal.

However, the claim that officers have been scared off by dissidents has been dismissed by the Police Federation which said the threat level is not a factor in officers quitting.

In figures obtained through a freedom of information act request for the number of officers leaving early since 2001, when the PSNI was formed, it has emerged that, in total, 274 officers left after up to five years’ service – 154 Catholics, 108 Protestants, as well as 12 “undetermined”.

Of the 63 who left after one year, 35 were Catholic, 24 were Protestant, and four were “undetermined”.

The policing areas where the largest number of officers were based before leaving were B district, which incorporates south and east Belfast, followed by E district which includes Newry, Armagh and the border area, then G district which includes Londonderry.

One of the priorities of the PSNI when it was formed in 2001 was to attract more Catholic officers than had been in the RUC, using the controversial 50/50 policy which ended last year.

Ulster Unionist policing board member and West Tyrone MLA Ross Hussey said he was not surprised by the figures.

He said attacks on the police by dissident republicans would have put off new officers, particularly new Catholic recruits whom the terrorists have been targeting.

In the last three years, two Catholic police officers – Cons Stephen Carroll and Cons Ronan Kerr – have been murdered and a third – Cons Peadar Heffron – was left seriously injured in dissident republican attacks.

“The PSNI is a relatively new police service. There are those who would have joined it with the notion that it would have been a normal post-Troubles situation,” Mr Hussey said.

“The dissident threat changed that and particularly for Catholic officers would have been a deterrent.

“With that threat re-emerging, it was bound to have had an effect on younger members who clearly have not dealt with this in the past.”

Mr Hussey said he found the PSNI losing officers as “very regrettable”.

“It costs a significant amount of money to train officers. The policing certificate you get at the end of training is equivalent to a diploma and there are other forms of training too. The cost is substantial,” he said.

But a spokesman for the Police Federation dismissed this theory. He said the resignation of officers was down to a combination of factors – some officers not meeting the required high standard of training, and some deciding that the life of a police officer was not for them.

Former RUC officer Jimmy Spratt, who is now a DUP MLA for south Belfast, said the PSNI needed to “look carefully” at the numbers of officers they are losing, because he said the police budget can no longer afford it.

The figures obtained by the News Letter also reveal that RUC officers tended to serve longer careers than officers in the newer PSNI.

The average length of service for a police officer in 2011 was just over a decade, down from 16 years in 2001.

However the vast majority of officers leave after serving 30 years – the maximum length of pensionable service for a police officer.

The PSNI put the low average length of service down to the fact that the figures include a “tiny number of officers who completed only a very short period of service (eg one day in training college)”.

“For this reason, the averages are not reflective of the length of service of the vast majority of police officers.”

In a statement, released last night, the PSNI said “officers leave for many reasons” including: the job wasn’t what they expected: some of their family were not happy with the decision to join or in some cases the officers have not been able to attain the high standards expected.

The PSNI added: “However, we have conducted two longitudinal studies to reflect the experience of recruits from student officer stage through to full service.

“Officers interviewed during both of these studies remarked on the warmth of the welcome they received into the service, both in the college and into the districts, and on how well they were received.”

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/local/officers_quit_in_fear_of_dissidents_1_2900252

steddyeddy

Its should be noted that these dissidents are not the same group as the pira who are not the same as the c ira. Republican as a blanket term does not work for all groups.

getzls

Alopex wrote: »

the fact he was catholic is incidental they'd kill any police officer they could.

No, they could target and kill a Protest PSNI member easily enough i would think. They are carrying on the Provies tradation of trying to drive or stop Catholics joing the police. After all they are mostly former PIRA

steddyeddy

getzls wrote: »

Alopex wrote: »

the fact he was catholic is incidental they'd kill any police officer they could.

No, they could target and kill a Protest PSNI member easily enough i would think. They are carrying on the Provies tradation of trying to drive or stop Catholics joing the police. After all they are mostly former PIRA

Im not sure their mostly pira and as I said before the pira refused to get into previous attacks they counted as sectarian.

KeithAFC

They lost and can't accept it. Nice to see the PSNI arresting some suspects.

Alopex

getzls wrote: »

No, they could target and kill a Protest PSNI member easily enough i would think. They are carrying on the Provies tradation of trying to drive or stop Catholics joing the police. After all they are mostly former PIRA

First of all if that were true they're a bit f*cking slow on the uptake.
The psni has been encouraging catholics to join since 2001 with 50/50 and is now 30% catholic. That ship has well and truly sailed. Furthermore there is no recruitment for at least three years.

And the provies certainly had no qualms about taking out Protestant members of the force.

These clowns have hit 4 so called legitimate targets in 13 years. They'd take any police officer they could get.

Lets look at their activities.

Ronan Kerr - An RC - definitely specifically targeted.

Stephen Carroll - an RC but they had no way of knowing he was. They shot him in the back of the head when he went to answer a call for help. He could have been anyone - RC or Prod.

What people tend to forget is another carbomb was placed in east belfast not so long ago under the passenger seat of a car - the officer's girlfriend drove him to work. It went off when she was in the car but he wasn't there. Don't think they reported his religion - bit like a weird reversal of the war of independence when the Brits only reported the religion of a cop when he was Protestant.

There was another failed attempt where an RPG was fired at a group of police officers but didn't go off. Likely some of them were Protestant.

There was also a bomb placed near the border in south armagh intended for a police patrol. Didn't go off but if it did they'd have no way of knowing the religion of the cops.

Like has been pointed out - its easier for them to collect intelligence on RC officers. RC coppers often have to move to neutral/unionist areas. Though this provides a nice background for the media to make them out to be extra evil because the two cops they've murdered have incidentally been RC

amacachi

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I see little need for using "republicans" I really despise the "No I am a real republican!" crap that gets trotted out, they are republicans, no point denying it.

When I see some of the people being arrested for involvement in such things I doubt they have a clue what their so-called cause is. There's a few who do, there has to be in any sample of people.

I read this today which some may find interesting, its relevant if it is accurate;

This bit?

“The dissident threat changed that and particularly for Catholic officers would have been a deterrent.

Wolfe Tone

amacachi wrote: »

When I see some of the people being arrested for involvement in such things I doubt they have a clue what their so-called cause is. There's a few who do, there has to be in any sample of people.


This bit?

If they are dedicated enough to go out and kill over it you can sure they know why they are doing it... they know exactly what the consequences can be and why they are doing it. The people who do this aren't some kids they have indoctrinated.

This is fueled by a belief that the peace process is doomed to failure and SF sold the struggle and those who gave their lives out. To portray it as anything else is to ignore a growing movement of dissatisfaction with the GFA and the status quo which is partly fueled by the PSNIs lack of impartiality which has all too clearly been illustrated in the past few weeks. In that piece I quoted someone is quoted as saying the PSNI is a new force... Rubbish, half are ex RUC and all the top jobs are held by RUC men.

They care little whether its a catholic or a protestant imo... Alopex gave some good points there.

KeithAFC

They care little whether its a catholic or a protestant imo... Alopex gave some good points there.

Do you know a Protestant police officer they have killed in the last few years?

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Do you know a Protestant police officer they have killed in the last few years?

I don't see much point in repeating what Apolex said.

It may be easier to target RCs but I'm sure they would be just as happy with killing a protestant.

I initially thought that it was a concerted effort against RC coppers, but not anymore.

KeithAFC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I don't see much point in repeating what Apolex said.

It may be easier to target RCs but I'm sure they would be just as happy with killing a protestant.

I initially thought that it was a concerted effort against RC coppers, but not anymore.

Why have they not then? With the surge of recent dissident attacks in the last few years, i ain't aware that they have killed a single Protestant police officer?

Unless some one can correct me, i thought the tactic was to not target Protestants in case of a backlash.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

Why have they not then? With the surge of recent dissident attacks in the last few years, i ain't aware that they have killed a single Protestant police officer?

Unless some one can correct me, i thought the tactic was to not target Protestants in case of a backlash.

They have tried to kill groups of cops, remember the bomb in the bin outside the school? They had no way of knowing what religion their potential victims would be.

Actually, backlashes would be good from their POV they got lots of capital out of the most recent sectarian attacks.

KeithAFC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They have tried to kill groups of cops, remember the bomb in the bin outside the school? They had no way of knowing what religion their potential victims would be.

Actually, backlashes would be good from their POV they got lots of capital out of the most recent sectarian attacks.

No doubt they will be in the headlines soon enough when they kill some one again in the name of the pipe dream which is a United Ireland. They will probably never go away.

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

No doubt they will be in the headlines soon enough when they kill some one again in the name of the pipe dream which is a United Ireland. They will probably never go away.

They will one day, when there is a UI, its then, and only then, they will completely disappear imo.

KeithAFC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They will one day, when there is a UI, its then, and only then, they will completely disappear imo.

The amount of people who have said that in the Republican cause down the years. I think they should just jump on the bandwagon with Sinn Fein and try to get high paying jobs from stormont.

getzls

steddyeddy wrote: »

getzls wrote: »

Im not sure their mostly pira and as I said before the pira refused to get into previous attacks they counted as sectarian.

Well a lot of the dissos seem to be mature men in their 40s or 50s which would suggest to me they are former Provies. Of couse they will get some younger ones who are brainwashed by theier da's etc.

steddyeddy

getzls wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well a lot of the dissos seem to be mature men in their 40s or 50s which would suggest to me they are former Provies. Of couse they will get some younger ones who are brainwashed by theier da's etc.

No it wouldnt nesacerily mean because of their age they were in the pira. The pira was opposed to the real ira from the beginning. Im not defending them by the way.

Wolfe Tone

steddyeddy wrote: »

getzls wrote: »

No it wouldnt nesacerily mean because of their age they were in the pira. The pira was opposed to the real ira from the beginning. Im not defending them by the way.

They where steddyeddy, it goes back further too, the contos were afraid to have their existence known for a long time after the 86 split because they were afraid of the provos reaction.

Pat D. Almighty

KeithAFC wrote: »

No doubt they will be in the headlines soon enough when they kill some one again in the name of the pipe dream which is a United Ireland. They will probably never go away.

Why is it a pipe dream?

Anyway, it's simple. Con. Kerr was targeted because he was a catholic. It was carried out as a pathetic attempt to discourage members of the catholic and nationalist community from joining what they see as a police force that are administrating British rule in Ireland.

Chuck Stone

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

In that piece I quoted someone is quoted as saying the PSNI is a new force... Rubbish, half are ex RUC and all the top jobs are held by RUC men.

The fact that those positions are held by former RUC officers does not mean that they do not accept the new reality.

I'd imagine the vast majority of the protestant officers in the PSNI just want to be regular policemen and leave the bad old days behind.

cyberhog

Alopex wrote: »

Though this provides a nice background for the media to make them out to be extra evil because the two cops they've murdered have incidentally been RC

Graffiti painted in the Bogside would suggest dissident sympathisers didn't think it was incidental.

“2 Down More To Come If You Join The RUC. Use Will Get The Same”.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/ronan-kerr-murder-fury-at-sickening-scrawls-15138648.html

The media don't have to "make them out to be extra evil" dissidents should get the credit for that all by themselves.


Micheál Martin

The targeting of Catholic members of the PSNI by dissident groups is not only misguided, but disgusting and morally wrong. On behalf of Fianna Fáil, I want to be crystal clear, in that there be can no justification whatsoever for threats of any description against any PSNI officer. The targeting of any officer on grounds of his or her religion is an evil and sectarian attack against the officer and genuine republican values.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/04/05/00016.asp

cyberhog

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

they are republicans, no point denying it.

It seems Gerry Adams does not agree with you.

those who murdered Ronan Kerr have no coherent strategy and their actions do not advance any political agenda whatever. They are unrepresentative of the community and do not define republicanism. They claim to be republican but their actions are anti-republican and against peace.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/04/05/00016.asp

Jelle1880

steddyeddy wrote: »

Oh I totally agree that the Ira are not a sectarian group, for instance when loyalists were burning catholics out of their houses during the civil rights marchs the ira refused to get involved as they said attacking protestents would be sectarian! I do think it was wrong to kill this man because he was a catholic in the psni though.

Behave.

cyberhog: I think it's fair to say Sinn Fein don't speak for all Republicans anymore.

FUNKY LOVER

The fact that people think that suddenly republicans or nationalists etc will suddenly just warm to the PSNI or accept them overnight after the way the RUC behaved through their whole existance shows naivety and ignorance.

There has been meetings about continued PSNI harassment of mothers and children going about their daily lives only up until last week.

There was a bus stoppped and searched last month with children on it,who aparrently soiled themselves when the PSNI boarded with guns and acted aggressive etc towards the adults on the bus.

Then we have the arrests over the riots in belfast last week,but not one single arrest in relation to the loyalist uvf mob who attacked catholic homes.

It is clear that there is a lot of work to be done if the PSNI want to win the hearts and minds of the nationalist community,a lot of reports im hearing is people who thought there was a positive change have seen first hand over the last month not a lot has changed.

Oh and lets not forget the PSNI had tea and biscuits with the loyalists after they attacked cathlolic homes,just to keep the loyalists happy.

Jelle1880

Yes, and they also put catholics against the wall and shoot them at point blank range.

You sound like you're condoning it.

FUNKY LOVER

KeithAFC wrote: »

The amount of people who have said that in the Republican cause down the years. I think they should just jump on the bandwagon with Sinn Fein and try to get high paying jobs from stormont.

And why should'nt they keep saying it?In their minds the struggle until the illegal occupation of their country goes will never stop until the britsh leave(not referring to dissidents just nationalists,republicans in general)

Just like mandela they have every right to voice their beliefs.

FUNKY LOVER

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Yes, and they also put catholics against the wall and shoot them at point blank range.

You sound like you're condoning it.

Condoning what?Im not talking about the ronan kerr murder here,im just trying to show the argument from the other side,because the british have a great way of portraying things very one sided.

And i think the Ronan Kerr murder was wrong and utterly pointless.It will in no way help achieve a UI.

Alopex

cyberhog wrote: »

Graffiti painted in the Bogside would suggest dissident sympathisers didn't think it was incidental.

“2 Down More To Come If You Join The RUC. Use Will Get The Same”.


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/ronan-kerr-murder-fury-at-sickening-scrawls-15138648.html

Looks like something an iliterate 14 year old would write. Also I don't see any mention to rosary beads.

The media don't have to "make them out to be extra evil" dissidents should get the credit for that all by themselves.

Yet as you know the media will always do their best to put a more interesting spin on things

Micheál Martin

The targeting of Catholic members of the PSNI by dissident groups is not only misguided, but disgusting and morally wrong. On behalf of Fianna Fáil, I want to be crystal clear, in that there be can no justification whatsoever for threats of any description against any PSNI officer. The targeting of any officer on grounds of his or her religion is an evil and sectarian attack against the officer and genuine republican values.


http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/04/05/00016.asp

Someone should tell him targeting Protestant officers is also disgusting and morally wrong. The republic of ireland government have consistantly shown themselves to be naive and mostly uninterested in regards to northern ireland.

You must be having a laugh if you think the opinion of that clown is going to sway my opinion by comparison to the actual actions of these groups.

getz

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

The fact that people think that suddenly republicans or nationalists etc will suddenly just warm to the PSNI or accept them overnight after the way the RUC behaved through their whole existance shows naivety and ignorance.

There has been meetings about continued PSNI harassment of mothers and children going about their daily lives only up until last week.

There was a bus stoppped and searched last month with children on it,who aparrently soiled themselves when the PSNI boarded with guns and acted aggressive etc towards the adults on the bus.

Then we have the arrests over the riots in belfast last week,but not one single arrest in relation to the loyalist uvf mob who attacked catholic homes.

It is clear that there is a lot of work to be done if the PSNI want to win the hearts and minds of the nationalist community,a lot of reports im hearing is people who thought there was a positive change have seen first hand over the last month not a lot has changed.

Oh and lets not forget the PSNI had tea and biscuits with the loyalists after they attacked cathlolic homes,just to keep the loyalists happy.

stop trying to give a excuse for murderers,all those republican terrorist groups,are the offshoots of the IRA,who killed more irishmen than the british did in the years leading up to independance,even today they live openly in ireland committing crimes and murder,on both sides of the border, only the republican side is intent on bombing and murder.

FUNKY LOVER

getz wrote: »

stop trying to give a excuse for murderers,all those republican terrorist groups,are the offshoots of the IRA,who killed more irishmen than the british did in the years leading up to independance,even today they live openly in ireland committing crimes and murder,on both sides of the border, only the republican side is intent on bombing and murder.

Where did i give an excuse for them murdering police officers?I totally condemn the murder of police officers.

Once again the typical attitude of just jump down the throat of someone giving an opinion and blame them of thinking the worst.

Who do you think you are accusing me of supporting these actions?

getz

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Where did i give an excuse for them murdering police officers?I totally condemn the murder of police officers.

Once again the typical attitude of just jump down the throat of someone giving an opinion and blame them of thinking the worst.

Who do you think you are accusing me of supporting these actions?

there is no excuse in northern ireland for killing and bombing of any kind, what happens in years to come is in its own hands,any kind of support for those scum will set back any peace process, so instead of knocking the police,try working with them,for the sake of your children if nothing else,

FUNKY LOVER

getz wrote: »

there is no excuse in northern ireland for killing and bombing of any kind, what happens in years to come is in its own hands,any kind of support for those scum will set back any peace process, so instead of knocking the police,try working with them,for the sake of your children if nothing else,

To be honest i think Ronan Kerrs murder actually was a huge setback for these dissidents.

dlofnep

getz wrote: »

stop trying to give a excuse for murderers,all those republican terrorist groups,are the offshoots of the IRA,who killed more irishmen than the british did in the years leading up to independance,even today they live openly in ireland committing crimes and murder,on both sides of the border, only the republican side is intent on bombing and murder.

So Kevin McDaid was not murdered by a loyalist lynch mob?

getz

dlofnep wrote: »

So Kevin McDaid was not murdered by a loyalist lynch mob?

of course he was and nine people were arrested for it,but they were also football scum who also beat up his protestant wife,i dont think they even asked if he was catholic,and that was over two years ago,and unlike ronon kerr,it was not a planned murder.but a murder just the same,

Sunnyisland

getz wrote: »

of course he was and nine people were arrested for it,but they were also football scum who also beat up his protestant wife,i dont think they even asked if he was catholic,and that was over two years ago,and unlike ronon kerr,it was not a planned murder.but a murder just the same,

Police said that Mr McDaid, a father of four, was assaulted at random, although his attackers would have known he was a Catholic because of the area they were in.

Re not a planed murder,I am sure his family will be delighted to hear that.

And once again the op topic is getting derailed.

getz

realies wrote: »

Police said that Mr McDaid, a father of four, was assaulted at random, although his attackers would have known he was a Catholic because of the area they were in.

Re not a planed murder,I am sure his family will be delighted to hear that.

And once again the op topic is getting derailed.

the mod brought it up

Alopex

McDaid was a community worker from an RC enclave in Coleraine. They were well aware of his background. If anything they probably thought his wife was an RC too.

They organised themselves to go out and some RCs whilst getting drunk in a Coleraine pub after Rangers won the league(another RC was in a critical condition and almost died from the beating he got the same night). Don't know if they intended McDaid to die but it most certainly was not an unplanned attack

Wolfe Tone

cyberhog wrote: »

It seems Gerry Adams does not agree with you.




http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/04/05/00016.asp

So?

On another note, is it utterly impossible to have a debate about physical force republicans and their motivations without the bullsh!t "you are condoning it" line coming from people who just can't accept that there are motivations for these attacks and that it isn't just a case of happy families all round, blue skies and free ice cream for all but unfortunately there is a group that hate the Brits and decide to ruin all this with a bomb?

There is a number of problems and issues which are huge contributing factors to the violence. Its highly annoying that whenever anyone tries to discuss these they get accused of condoning the attacks.

getz

Alopex wrote: »

McDaid was a community worker from an RC enclave in Coleraine. They were well aware of his background. If anything they probably thought his wife was an RC too.

They organised themselves to go out and some RCs whilst getting drunk in a Coleraine pub after Rangers won the league(another RC was in a critical condition and almost died from the beating he got the same night). Don't know if they intended McDaid to die but it most certainly was not an unplanned attack

they were aware she was a protestant she told them,but it did not stop them beating up anyone who was handy,even a pregnant woman,

KeithAFC

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

And why should'nt they keep saying it?In their minds the struggle until the illegal occupation of their country goes will never stop until the britsh leave(not referring to dissidents just nationalists,republicans in general)

Just like mandela they have every right to voice their beliefs.

800 years, blah etc. Join Sinn Fein and jump on board in administering British rule. The Republican movement seems more divided than ever.

steddyeddy

getz wrote: »

stop trying to give a excuse for murderers,all those republican terrorist groups,are the offshoots of the IRA,who killed more irishmen than the british did in the years leading up to independance,even today they live openly in ireland committing crimes and murder,on both sides of the border, only the republican side is intent on bombing and murder.

Serioulsy to you want me to provide you with some links there?

steddyeddy

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Hitting a nerve here keith am i?why dont you PM me and call me a taig c&nt or whatever it is you use to voice your secterianism views on you tube?

Exactly and its a bit rich condeming the murder of catholics on one hand then praising murderers who killed people because they were catholic on the other (uvf).

KeithAFC

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

Hitting a nerve here keith am i?why dont you PM me and call me a taig c&nt or whatever it is you use to voice your secterianism views on you tube?

More factual than anything. Just look at Republican forums, all divided and all hate Sinn Fein because they are helping run Northern Ireland.

KeithAFC

steddyeddy wrote: »

Exactly and its a bit rich condeming the murder of catholics on one hand then praising murderers who killed people because they were catholic on the other (uvf).

Have you seen your posts on this exact thread in regards to the PIRA. Saying they weren't sectarian and had some sort of moral compass when they did indeed kill a lot of Protestants in sectarian killings. A lot of this went on during the Troubles. You are in no position to take the moral high ground.

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Have you seen your posts on this exact thread in regards to the PIRA. Saying they weren't sectarian and had some sort of moral compass when they did indeed kill a lot of Protestants in sectarian killings. A lot of this went on during the Troubles. You are in no position to take the moral high ground.

They killed a lot of protestents and catholics. Why are you only commenting on their protestent victims?