Faith healer

dozydelilah

I I'm looking for a number for a guy I heard about on ray Darcy show a couple of years ago??? I know it's a long shot but!!! he had a double barrelled name, something like johnathen Liston Morgan! And I don't know why I'm thinking Tipperary??? He cured a girls back after doctors had given up on her!!! I know that a lot of people are sceptical of such things, but if you were in as much painas me you would try anything!!!! If anyone knows who imtalking about please reply
Thank you

pudzey101

dozydelilah wrote: »

I I'm looking for a number for a guy I heard about on ray Darcy show a couple of years ago??? I know it's a long shot but!!! he had a double barrelled name, something like johnathen Liston Morgan! And I don't know why I'm thinking Tipperary??? He cured a girls back after doctors had given up on her!!! I know that a lot of people are sceptical of such things, but if you were in as much painas me you would try anything!!!! If anyone knows who imtalking about please reply
Thank you

Have A Look At This SHould Be Of Some Help:)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055810548

The Guvnor

Don't know who you are talking about.

Hopefully you will find them.

I am a sceptic but I have met many sane people who are convinced a healer did heal them or part heal them etc. for there not to be some credence in all of this.

Best of luck with it and do update us if you get to attend with a healer.

SanoVitae

Do you think he could help Ray with his press-ups?

dozydelilah

SanoVitae wrote: »

Do you think he could help Ray with his press-ups?

who knows.. i think the girls could do with some help counting too!!!


i'm still trying to find the faith healer though??

Zamboni

It would be irresponsible of anyone to attempt to help you.
I appreciate you are desperate but don't be stupid too.

Instead of being a person with a bad back...
You will be a person
with less money,
who has encouraged a charlatan to continue to prey on innocent people in pain,
with a bad back.

SanoVitae

Zamboni wrote: »

Instead of being a person with a bad back...
You will be a person
with less money,
who has encouraged a charlatan to continue to prey on innocent people in pain,
with a bad back.

Personally, I can't see how investing in a faith healer could possibly help a person alleviate their back pain.

Unless of course the OP carries all her money around with her in a rucksack on his back.

All in 1 cent coins.

dozydelilah

In reply to the last two posters. why you feel the need to comment on posts baffles me. i did not ask your opinion on faith healers, nor did i ask you for the money to pay for them.. by the way i have never been charged any money from any kind of faith healers in the past, i have however spent a fortune, going to my GP, getting prescriptions for pain killers, paying for painkillers, which mask the problem. i have also spent fortunes on chiropracters, and osteopaths. whats your solutions????


still anyone who knows who im talking about please get in touch

Jimmy Bottlehead

dozydelilah wrote: »

whats your solutions????

Pay me half of what you'll pay this charlatan, and I'll give you just as much relief as he will, guaranteed.

Degsy

You'd be better off seeing a witch doctor..these people should be thrown in jail for fraud.

SteelyDanJalapeno

dozydelilah wrote: »

In reply to the last two posters. why you feel the need to comment on posts baffles me. i did not ask your opinion on faith healers, nor did i ask you for the money to pay for them.. by the way i have never been charged any money from any kind of faith healers in the past, i have however spent a fortune, going to my GP, getting prescriptions for pain killers, paying for painkillers, which mask the problem. i have also spent fortunes on chiropracters, and osteopaths. whats your solutions????


still anyone who knows who im talking about please get in touch

You've never been charged???

The Guvnor

As I understand it 'Faith Healers' can not be paid. However it is acceptable for people who visit with them to leave a charitable donation upon leaving.

dozydelilah

No!! never been charged. Iv used faith healing twice. Both times for ringworm. First time it was on my face. After a week of doctors creams it was only slightly better. Ther faith healer put spit on his finger and blessed the mark, and the aggressive redness of the mark turned greyish. Three days later you could not even tell where the mark had been. A few years ago I got some on my arm. I went to a different one with the same results. When I offered him money he told me to put some money in whatever charity box I wanted, as he doesn't accept payment. The doctor costs 55 euro.!! Plus the price of the cream!!!!

You've never been charged???[/Quote]

Jimmy Bottlehead

dozydelilah wrote: »

No!! never been charged. Iv used faith healing twice. Both times for ringworm. First time it was on my face. After a week of doctors creams it was only slightly better. Ther faith healer put spit on his finger and blessed the mark, and the aggressive redness of the mark turned greyish. Three days later you could not even tell where the mark had been. A few years ago I got some on my arm. I went to a different one with the same results. When I offered him money he told me to put some money in whatever charity box I wanted, as he doesn't accept payment. The doctor costs 55 euro.!! Plus the price of the cream!!!!

So you honestly believe by someone hocking up some spit and rubbing it on you, it cured a medical condition?

I don't know why we don't just get rid of those useless doctors - or teach them the old spit 'n shine. Much cheaper than actual medicine.

Mellor

dozydelilah wrote: »

First time it was on my face. After a week of doctors creams it was only slightly better. Ther faith healer put spit on his finger and blessed the mark, and the aggressive redness of the mark turned greyish. Three days later you could not even tell where the mark had been.

So you had a red mark on your face.
You went to the doctor and got some cream.
You took this for a week.
The mark slightened slightly.
Then soem guy spit on you.
The mark lightened more.
Then it went.


Do you not think that there is a chance the it had nothing to do with the healer and that the cream was still working, disoite you stopping taking it.


And just because you didn't ask for comments on healers means nothing. If people thing the idea is stupid, they have the right to ay so.

Larianne

can't help you with your request OP but

dozydelilah wrote: »

i have however spent a fortune, going to my GP, getting prescriptions for pain killers, paying for painkillers, which mask the problem. i have also spent fortunes on chiropracters, and osteopaths. whats your solutions????

Have you been to a physiotherapist?

Have you tried Acupuncture?
Have you tried electrotherapy?

Hope you get some relief from the pain soon. It is horrible! Stay positive.

SanoVitae

dozydelilah wrote: »

The faith healer put spit on his finger and blessed the mark

Is this also how he claims to heal thrush?

cmyk

dozydelilah wrote: »

i have however spent a fortune, going to my GP, getting prescriptions for pain killers, paying for painkillers, which mask the problem. i have also spent fortunes on chiropracters, and osteopaths. whats your solutions????

OP, the first thing to do is to find the source of your back pain. I suffered for years with the same, having visited about 8 different physios/ chiropractors/osteopaths, all of which only gave temporary relief. I found a really good osteopath who diagnosed the problem first and after 10mins of dry needling I had instant relief, I now send all my clients to him and he does a super job.

The moral...find someone who is interested in actually 'treating' the issue and move on from there.

Orla K

dozydelilah wrote: »

No!! never been charged. Iv used faith healing twice. Both times for ringworm. First time it was on my face. After a week of doctors creams it was only slightly better. Ther faith healer put spit on his finger and blessed the mark, and the aggressive redness of the mark turned greyish. Three days later you could not even tell where the mark had been. A few years ago I got some on my arm. I went to a different one with the same results. When I offered him money he told me to put some money in whatever charity box I wanted, as he doesn't accept payment. The doctor costs 55 euro.!! Plus the price of the cream!!!!

You've never been charged???

You do know that it was the cream that cured you, it normally takes a week to have any visible effects of it working. To be honest I find it stupid that people go to faith healers, when I got ringworm I was asked was I getting the 'cure' I told them yes from the doctor. For a week after they kept telling me how such a guy can cure it by saying a prayer, and that it was the only way that it can be cured.

There was also my friend who when she was young she and her brother got ringworm and went to a faith healer and it took an entire summer to heal the faith healer gave them some sort of purple cream.

Both were gutted when my ringworm healed up quite nicely, and quick enough. It also heals up by it's self given time but that can take months.

Your better off saving your time, and petrol(given that your going to have to travel there) on more useful things, do what cmyk says and find someone who's actually willing to solve the problem.

I would guess the faith healer has the placebo effect, you'll feel fine for a while but it'll just come back. I think I can almost get this on myself when my knee gets sore if I concentrate I can make the pain go away but I'm not very good at it, it would last less than an hour, it's easier just to take my tablets.

Also I'd rather keep the ringworm than have someone spit on me!

For the actual answer you want your going to have to go some where else, this forum is very fact/science based

opinion guy

dozydelilah wrote: »

No!! never been charged. Iv used faith healing twice. Both times for ringworm. First time it was on my face. After a week of doctors creams it was only slightly better. Ther faith healer put spit on his finger and blessed the mark, and the aggressive redness of the mark turned greyish. Three days later you could not even tell where the mark had been. A few years ago I got some on my arm. I went to a different one with the same results. When I offered him money he told me to put some money in whatever charity box I wanted, as he doesn't accept payment. The doctor costs 55 euro.!! Plus the price of the cream!!!!

You've never been charged???

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You do know that ringworm often resolves by itself without doing anything ?

Kashkai

The OP was looking for this guy's contact details. Why the rest of you have to go on the attack against her belief in faith healers is beyond me. If she wants to go down that route, then let her for Christ's sake. If you don't agree with her choice, then don't go to a faith healer. Popping pain pills is the way to go don't you know:rolleyes:

As for your absolute faith in the medical profession, I've two degenerative discs in my lumbar region that has caused me a lot of pain for the past three years, so much so that I had to stop all strenuous physical activity until recently when I began jogging again. In the intervening period, I spent almost €6,000 on doctors, consultants, MRI's, physios, more doctors, more physios and pain medication. The result, I'm marginally better in that I can run about 4 miles on grass but still get sharp pains every now and then that causes me to catch my breath. I have to follow a daily stretching regime to loosen up my back and hamstring muscles so they're not pulling on my spine and then more stregthening exercises to help my back muscles hold my spine in shape.

So after spending a small fortune on doctors, physios etc, I'm just about managing to do a 4 mile run but feel stiff and sore afterwards. Not a great result for spending all that money do you think? While I've never thought about going to a "faith healer" (well I am a committed aetheist;)), I wouldn't dismiss them as readily as you lot as they couldn't be any less use than the 3 doctors, two consultants and 4 physios I've seen the past three years.

SteelyDanJalapeno

How do faith healers claim to heal?

honest question.

grimloch

Horgan wrote: »

How do faith healers claim to heal?

honest question.

Literally spitting on their fingers and poking people in the face according to this thread.

grimloch

Blessed spit.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Ah come on! i put in "honest question" to filter out the comedians!

grimloch

I'm not being funny.

That is something that actually happened.


Google it if you don't believe me:

http://www.stuartxchange.org/Albularyo.html#FaithHealers

Orla K

Horgan wrote: »

How do faith healers claim to heal?

honest question.

Do you not think if they claim to be faith healers then by the name they claim to heal?

SteelyDanJalapeno

I know they claim to heal! but how!?

The name alone suggests if you have faith they will heal?

Peter pan stuff!

Kashkai

They supposedly channel their "healing powers" through their hands to cure the sick. This "laying on the hands" has been used down through the ages, eg Jesus Christ used his hands to heal the sick. The bible said he used a mixture of spittle and clay to make a paste that he put on a blindmans eyes and hey presto, he could see again.

Like I said earlier, I'm an atheist but it looks like I'm more open minded than a lot of posters on this thread.

I suppose you'd scoff at acupuncture, reflexology etc as well??

COH

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

They supposedly channel their "healing powers" through their hands

^^Bonus points for anyone who uses this as a chat up line^^

'You're bra, it looks so sick... let me use my hands to heal the area while my mystical trouser-snake spits on you'

Hanley

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

They supposedly channel their "healing powers" through their hands to cure the sick. This "laying on the hands" has been used down through the ages, eg Jesus Christ used his hands to heal the sick. The bible said he used a mixture of spittle and clay to make a paste that he put on a blindmans eyes and hey presto, he could see again.

Like I said earlier, I'm an atheist but it looks like I'm more open minded than a lot of posters on this thread.

I suppose you'd scoff at acupuncture, reflexology etc as well??

Well those two are at least semi-mechanical, and have a basis and theory as to why they work, so sound reasonably plausible.

Faith healers seem to just think nice thoughts and spit on people.

SanoVitae

Hanley wrote: »

Faith healers seem to just think nice thoughts and spit on people.

Based on your birthday status updates on Facebook last Saturday, I highly suspect you often do the same

Davei141

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

They supposedly channel their "healing powers" through their hands to cure the sick. This "laying on the hands" has been used down through the ages, eg Jesus Christ used his hands to heal the sick. The bible said he used a mixture of spittle and clay to make a paste that he put on a blindmans eyes and hey presto, he could see again.

Like I said earlier, I'm an atheist but it looks like I'm more open minded than a lot of posters on this thread.

I suppose you'd scoff at acupuncture, reflexology etc as well??

Since when has open-minded replaced gullible in the dictionary.

dozydelilah

cmyk wrote: »

dozydelilah wrote: »

i have however spent a fortune, going to my GP, getting prescriptions for pain killers, paying for painkillers, which mask the problem. i have also spent fortunes on chiropracters, and osteopaths. whats your solutions????

OP, the first thing to do is to find the source of your back pain. I suffered for years with the same, having visited about 8 different physios/ chiropractors/osteopaths, all of which only gave temporary relief. I found a really good osteopath who diagnosed the problem first and after 10mins of dry needling I had instant relief, I now send all my clients to him and he does a super job.

The moral...find someone who is interested in actually 'treating' the issue and move on from there.

Could you pm me the osteopaths number please

Mellor

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

I suppose you'd scoff at acupuncture, reflexology etc as well??

???
Neither are based on "faith" or happy thoughts.
Reflexology is pressure on the nervous system,

Accupuncture is similar to dry needling and reflexlogy. I'd actually think it would make a nice change from foam rolling and i'd love to give it a shot

Hanley

Davei141 wrote: »

Since when has open-minded replaced gullible in the dictionary.

He's so open minded his brains leaked out.

dozydelilah

To all you geniuses out there. The word bullys springs to mind. Every one is intitled to their beliefs. Many of you im sure do not believe in things that are supposed to be bad luck???? But if given a choice would you walk under the ladder, or around it. If I want to believe in Santa Claus it's my prerogative. I'm delighted so many of you have so much time on your hands? And are so involved in living your ownlives that you scour these posts for someone to ridicule!!!! Just to be superior!!!
BULLY's

Thank you to all who gave some sound advice and in general for being nice

Dozydelilahxxx

SanoVitae

dozydelilah wrote: »

Every one is intitled to their beliefs.

Yes, including those on a discussion forum who do not share your beliefs.

dozydelilah wrote: »

But if given a choice would you walk under the ladder, or around it.

It depends.

If it was a faith healer at the top of the ladder, I'd give it a good kick instead......

cmyk

dozydelilah wrote: »

Could you pm me the osteopaths number please

PM sent.

Doug Cartel

Mellor wrote: »

???
Neither are based on "faith" or happy thoughts.
Reflexology is pressure on the nervous system,

Accupuncture is similar to dry needling and reflexlogy. I'd actually think it would make a nice change from foam rolling and i'd love to give it a shot

They're pretty much the same thing as faith healing. I don't see why you would knock the one but not the others.

opinion guy

Doug Cartel wrote: »

They're pretty much the same thing as faith healing. I don't see why you would knock the one but not the others.

No they are not. In the case of acupuncture there is a wealth of scientific evidence behind it.

Doug Cartel

A wealth you say?

I'd have to go digging up references, but I believe the current state of play in acupuncture is that it doesn't matter where you put the needles, or if the needles even pierce the skin, as long as the patient thinks the have had needles inserted by an expert the effects take place. You know, if they have faith.

Red Cortina

opinion guy wrote: »

No they are not. In the case of acupuncture there is a wealth of scientific evidence behind it.

Just as a matter of interest can you point me towards some of this scientific evidence please?

opinion guy

You know what - no. I'm posting one cochrane link here but after that you can go google for yourselves.


http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001218.html

Cochrane Collaboration Authors Conclusions wrote:

In the previous version of this review, evidence in support of acupuncture for migraine prophylaxis was considered promising but insufficient. Now, with 12 additional trials, there is consistent evidence that acupuncture provides additional benefit to treatment of acute migraine attacks only or to routine care. There is no evidence for an effect of 'true' acupuncture over sham interventions, though this is difficult to interpret, as exact point location could be of limited importance. Available studies suggest that acupuncture is at least as effective as, or possibly more effective than, prophylactic drug treatment, and has fewer adverse effects. Acupuncture should be considered a treatment option for patients willing to undergo this treatment.

Doug Cartel

Cochrane thingy wrote:

Fourteen trials compared true acupuncture with inadequate or fake acupuncture interventions in which needles were either inserted at incorrect points or did not penetrate the skin. In these trials both groups had fewer headaches than before treatment, but there was no difference between the effects of the two treatments.

The author's conclusion - which you've quoted - even sates "There is no evidence for an effect of 'true' acupuncture over sham interventions".

Shame there was no comparison to people receiving faith healing or reflexology, might have been interesting.

Red Cortina

Doug Cartel wrote: »

A wealth you say?

I'd have to go digging up references, but I believe the current state of play in acupuncture is that it doesn't matter where you put the needles, or if the needles even pierce the skin, as long as the patient thinks the have had needles inserted by an expert the effects take place. You know, if they have faith.

That's the thing with studies on acupuncture - how do you blind who gets what???

Also if it were the case that the placebo effect worked with acupuncture, would you care if it was all bunk anyway?

Doug Cartel

Red Cortina wrote: »

Also if it were the case that the placebo effect worked with acupuncture, would you care if it was all bunk anyway?

If it's just a placebo, why recommend it over another placebo like faith-healing?

Red Cortina

Doug Cartel wrote: »

If it's just a placebo, why recommend it over another placebo like faith-healing?

Good point!
Also sounds like a faith healer is a hell of a lot cheaper than acupuncture!

Brian?

dozydelilah wrote: »

To all you geniuses out there. The word bullys springs to mind. Every one is intitled to their beliefs. Many of you im sure do not believe in things that are supposed to be bad luck???? But if given a choice would you walk under the ladder, or around it. If I want to believe in Santa Claus it's my prerogative. I'm delighted so many of you have so much time on your hands? And are so involved in living your ownlives that you scour these posts for someone to ridicule!!!! Just to be superior!!!
BULLY's

Thank you to all who gave some sound advice and in general for being nice

Dozydelilahxxx

If you felt some posts were bullying, why didn't you report them? I can't see anything of that nature happening to be honest, but if you want to point them out please feel free to report the posts or send me a PM. Don't use the thread though, PM or report only please.