Sean Og could return

longpuck

26 July 2011


Cork's Sean Og O'hAilpin
Sean Og O hAilpin says he would consider returning to the Cork hurling fold if Denis Walsh isn't in charge next year.

O hAilpin's inter-county career looked to be at an end last year when Walsh dropped him from his panel, but with the St. Catherine's clubman's position now under threat after a disappointing championship campaign, the prospect of the 34-year-old playing for Cork again has increased.

"Look, I'd love to get back. My body's in good shape still," O hAilpin told Newstalk Radio.

"I still feel I can offer something and it all depends on a new manager coming in. The last thing I want is a witch-hunt now. It depends on the next manager coming in. If he does happen to give me a ring, yeah I'll sit down and talk to him, but I just want to leave it at that and not make a big hullabaloo."

Another Cork hurling putting pressure to have a manager removed surprise.

If he doen't want a big hullabaloo about it why is he again talking about it in the media?

If he wants to come back fair enough but i dont see why he has to tell everyone about it and play the victim again.

If Cork are the move on i dont think a 34 year old is the man to do it....

puzl

the last thing cork needs is more drama....

longpuck

puzl wrote: »

the last thing cork needs is more drama....

I know and this is only going to start more of it!

ShamoBuc

I doubt that he will return, I hope he doesn't but I hope Walsh will be gone sooner rather than later - time for a few of the other players to move on aswell.

keane2097

Is there any chance he made that statement as a response to being asked a question about it?

ShamoBuc

keane2097 wrote: »

Is there any chance he made that statement as a response to being asked a question about it?

I would say, most certainly. If he was asked if a new manager came in and rang you would you be interested and answered yes, then fair enough, it's his opinion and he is entitled to it.
I personally hope a new manager comes and does not ring him, best of both worlds as far as I am concerned. Time....to....move....on!

padd b1975

keane2097 wrote: »

Is there any chance he made that statement as a response to being asked a question about it?

He was on a national radio station off his own free will! Any journalist worth his salt was going to ask him.
He could easily have dodged the question out of respect to the position of Cork hurling manager but he decided to give a self serving answer.

igas

"If he does happen to give me a ring, yeah I'll sit down and talk to him" !!! What an ego!!! As in he will interview the manager!! Any hurler would die to wear his county jersey! This is Corks problem at the minute - too many egos still living in the past. They need to scrap all the old guard and build from scratch. How can a 34 year old expect to come back and live with the pace of KK or Tipp? And what does it say to an aspiring sub who is bursting a gut to get onto the team??

keane2097

padd b1975 wrote: »

He was on a national radio station off his own free will! Any journalist worth his salt was going to ask him.
He could easily have dodged the question out of respect to the position of Cork hurling manager but he decided to give a self serving answer.

I assume he was asked if he was still interested in playing for Cork.

His response is that if a new manager came in and asked him he would be.

Cue people getting irrationally upset on the internet.

Standard.

Mountainlad

All he needed to see was sure we'll see. If a manager was interested in having him they'd ask. He doesn't need to be popping up on the radio telling everybody, that he doesn't like Denis Walsh. All he needed to say was we'll see. I see he's still making money for himself with the Ulster Bank ad too.

Temp Barry

Walsh played the whole Sean Og episode very badly. If he thought he wasnt worth his place he should have initially taken the step on benching him for a campaign, rather than straight away throwing him off the panel, which the resulting inevitable circus. Not to mention there were times when he might have been a useful impact sub.

willietherock

padd b1975 wrote: »

He was on a national radio station off his own free will! Any journalist worth his salt was going to ask him.
He could easily have dodged the question out of respect to the position of Cork hurling manager but he decided to give a self serving answer.

He was taking part in an event sponsored by his employers. He hadn't "free will! " as you put it, no more so than the other GAA players employed by the same firm who have showed up at other such events. The presenter was like a dog with a bone and relentlessly needled him with questions about Walsh, being dropped, will he come back ect. He's a hurler who would like to play for his county! Shock, horror.The reaction to his comments are more damning than the comments themselves.Sad people need to get a life.

longpuck

keane2097 wrote: »

Is there any chance he made that statement as a response to being asked a question about it?

Theres nothing wrong with him answering a question he's asked. But as someone ealse hear pointed out all he had to say was we'll see what happens not go off an another rant about management etc.


"I still feel I can offer something and it all depends on a new manager coming in. The last thing I want is a witch-hunt now. It depends on the next manager coming in. If he does happen to give me a ring, yeah I'll sit down and talk to him, but I just want to leave it at that and not make a big hullabaloo."

Fair enough he was droped by Walsh but people always go on about how managers dont make big calls when it comes to droping older players off teams and when one does it was wrong. People says it could have been delt with better by Walsh but Sean Og was the one in the media playing the victim and almost making out no one had ever been droped off an intercounty team.

longpuck

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I doubt that he will return, I hope he doesn't but I hope Walsh will be gone sooner rather than later - time for a few of the other players to move on aswell.

Eather way i dont care if Walsh stays or not since im not from Cork, but he did get them to a League and Munster final last year aswell as an All Ireland semi final and this year they got hammered by Galway who in turn got hammered by Waterford so going by that maybe its the players who aren't up to it anymore

Syferus

longpuck wrote: »

Theres nothing wrong with him answering a question he's asked. But as someone ealse hear pointed out all he had to say was we'll see what happens not go off an another rant about management etc.


"I still feel I can offer something and it all depends on a new manager coming in. The last thing I want is a witch-hunt now. It depends on the next manager coming in. If he does happen to give me a ring, yeah I'll sit down and talk to him, but I just want to leave it at that and not make a big hullabaloo."

Fair enough he was droped by Walsh but people always go on about how managers dont make big calls when it comes to droping older players off teams and when one does it was wrong. People says it could have been delt with better by Walsh but Sean Og was the one in the media playing the victim and almost making out no one had ever been droped off an intercounty team.

We have to take this in the context of a player who the previous season was a locked-in starter for the team, the reasons he was dropped completely had to be more than simply age or form or else Walsh is a very bad manager. He was trying to send as much a message as Sean Óg ever has in any interview after the fact.

keane2097

willietherock wrote: »

He was taking part in an event sponsored by his employers. He hadn't "free will! " as you put it, no more so than the other GAA players employed by the same firm who have showed up at other such events. The presenter was like a dog with a bone and relentlessly needled him with questions about Walsh, being dropped, will he come back ect. He's a hurler who would like to play for his county! Shock, horror.The reaction to his comments are more damning than the comments themselves.Sad people need to get a life.

longpuck

Syferus wrote: »

We have to take this in the context of a player who the previous season was a locked-in starter for the team, the reasons he was dropped completely had to be more than simply age or form or else Walsh is a very bad manager. He was trying to send as much a message as Sean Óg ever has in any interview after the fact.

Yes was trying to send out a message and after the strikes i assumed he was trying to send out the message that no matter who you are your not sure of a place on the panel.

If it wasn't age or form what other reasons are there? He was giveing a bit or a run around in games the last few years so maybe Walsh felt it was time to give someone younger there chance

Mountainlad

Seán óg was brutal last year, he's not up to it anymore. I can see why you wouldn't keep him around, I mean last year he came out and said neither themselves nor Waterford would win the all-ireland, not a positive message to be sending to young players. Cork's backs are decent, their forwards are the problem, he's 34 and clearly waning, and I don't tthink he'd be doing any less moaning if he was on the bench for Cork.

padd b1975

keane2097 wrote: »

I assume he was asked if he was still interested in playing for Cork.

His response is that if a new manager came in and asked him he would be.

Cue people getting irrationally upset on the internet.

Standard.

No, cue Sean og undermining the Cork hurling manager given half an opening.

padd b1975

willietherock wrote: »

He was taking part in an event sponsored by his employers. He hadn't "free will! " as you put it, no more so than the other GAA players employed by the same firm who have showed up at other such events. The presenter was like a dog with a bone and relentlessly needled him with questions about Walsh, being dropped, will he come back ect. He's a hurler who would like to play for his county! Shock, horror.The reaction to his comments are more damning than the comments themselves.Sad people need to get a life.

Is Sean og playing well at the moment?

keane2097

padd b1975 wrote: »

No, cue Sean og undermining the Cork hurling manager given half an opening.

You see, this is where "irrational" comes in.

You've already been told this event was a work commitment for the guy, and been told he was repeatedly hounded by the interviewer on the issue.

Having given a fairly mild response to the issue, and not really saying anything at all that anybody didn't already know, he nevertheless ends up with people describing his answer as "undermining the Cork hurling manager", and even more ridiculously describing him answering a question he was repeatedly pestered for an answer to at an event he had to attend for work as "half an opening".

For realsies?

padd b1975

keane2097 wrote: »

You see, this is where "irrational" comes in.

You've already been told this event was a work commitment for the guy, and been told he was repeatedly hounded by the interviewer on the issue.

Having given a fairly mild response to the issue, and not really saying anything at all that anybody didn't already know, he nevertheless ends up with people describing his answer as "undermining the Cork hurling manager", and even more ridiculously describing him answering a question he was repeatedly pestered for an answer to at an event he had to attend for work as "half an opening".

For realsies?

Talking about a new manager coming in while there is a manager in situ is undermining the existing manager.

At least it is in my book.

eigrod

padd b1975 wrote: »

Talking about a new manager coming in while there is a manager in situ is undermining the existing manager.

At least it is in my book.

To be fair, as there are no further games during Denis Walsh's official 1 year tenure, its fair game to talk about a new manager, for which Denis Walsh himself is a candidate.

keane2097

eigrod wrote: »

To be fair, as there are no further games during Denis Walsh's official 1 year tenure, its fair game to talk about a new manager, for which Denis Walsh himself is a candidate.

padd b1975

eigrod wrote: »

To be fair, as there are no further games during Denis Walsh's official 1 year tenure, its fair game to talk about a new manager, for which Denis Walsh himself is a candidate.

Regardless of that it was still bad form on Sean ogs part. The guy is long enough dealing with the media to phrase his replies a little less controversial and self serving.

Thats assuming that he wanted to.

keane2097

padd b1975 wrote: »

Regardless of that it was still bad form on Sean ogs part. The guy is long enough dealing with the media to phrase his replies a little less controversial and self serving.

Thats assuming that he wanted to.

It's about as non-controversial a statement as possible considering the question he was asked.

You're basically talking about putting a gagging order on a guy.

premierstone

keane2097 wrote: »

You're basically talking about putting a gagging order on a guy.

Please god tell us how

bruschi

keane2097 wrote: »

You see, this is where "irrational" comes in.

You've already been told this event was a work commitment for the guy, and been told he was repeatedly hounded by the interviewer on the issue.

Having given a fairly mild response to the issue, and not really saying anything at all that anybody didn't already know, he nevertheless ends up with people describing his answer as "undermining the Cork hurling manager", and even more ridiculously describing him answering a question he was repeatedly pestered for an answer to at an event he had to attend for work as "half an opening".

For realsies?

so he was being paid to do the interview. he didnt have to answer the question, he chose to. like he chose to do the same a couple of days before Corks opening game this year. like he chose to do all the interviews where he says 'its water under the bridge and I dont want to go on about it' but still does. he could easily have avoided the question if he really wanted.

keane2097

premierstone wrote: »

Please god tell us how

Tbh, I don't have much time for the guy, but this thread is pretty pathetic.

You always know you're in for a few gems when actually giving a guy's quote isn't enough - people have to take little bits of it and put it in big angry bold letters, in case the part that the imagined slight occurs in is so innocuous that it would be missed by everybody otherwise.

keane2097

bruschi wrote: »

so he was being paid to do the interview. he didnt have to answer the question, he chose to. like he chose to do the same a couple of days before Corks opening game this year. like he chose to do all the interviews where he says 'its water under the bridge and I dont want to go on about it' but still does. he could easily have avoided the question if he really wanted.

Why shouldn't he tell people - who are clearly plenty interested - what his opinion is?

padd b1975

keane2097 wrote: »

It's about as non-controversial a statement as possible considering the question he was asked.

You're basically talking about putting a gagging order on a guy.

I am talking about being aware of how the media operates.

Sean og is no fool in that regard.

keane2097

padd b1975 wrote: »

I am talking about being aware of how the media operates.

Sean og is no fool in that regard.

He's perfectly well aware. He was asked if he would consider playing for Cork again, he responded that if a new manager was interested in having him on the panel he'd consider it.

Do people really not have anything going on in their lives that this is somehow controversial?

This is actually mind-boggling - where's your sense of perspective?

bruschi

keane2097 wrote: »

Why shouldn't he tell people - who are clearly plenty interested - what his opinion is?

people arent interested in if he plays or not again, people are interested in controversies and strikes and waiting to see what the Cork hurlers will do next. he played right into the journalists hands.

what sells papers?

Sean Og undecided about future with Cork.
Sean Og says he would play for Cork under a new manager.

keane2097

bruschi wrote: »

people arent interested in if he plays or not again, people are interested in controversies and strikes and waiting to see what the Cork hurlers will do next. he played right into the journalists hands.

what sells papers?

Sean Og undecided about future with Cork.
Sean Og says he would play for Cork under a new manager.

Grand, you know what everybody does or doesn't want to hear.

I'm just off to fucking kill myself.

ShamoBuc

bruschi wrote: »

people arent interested in if he plays or not again, people are interested in controversies and strikes and waiting to see what the Cork hurlers will do next. he played right into the journalists hands.

what sells papers?

Sean Og undecided about future with Cork.
Sean Og says he would play for Cork under a new manager.

People down here knew that already to be fair, hope he goes into management himself at some stage.;)

bruschi

keane2097 wrote: »

Grand, you know what everybody does or doesn't want to hear.

I'm just off to fucking kill myself.

good man. dont over react anyway:rolleyes:

ShamoBuc wrote: »

People down here knew that already to be fair, hope he goes into management himself at some stage.;)

thats it though. and I havent heard anyone who thought he could come back into the side anyway. That had he hung around last year, it would more than likely have been his last.

Reckon he'd go into management? I'd have thought he'd be more in line to go into commentry/punditry. Is he involved in much coaching at the moment?

ShamoBuc

bruschi wrote: »

good man. dont over react anyway:rolleyes:



thats it though. and I havent heard anyone who thought he could come back into the side anyway. That had he hung around last year, it would more than likely have been his last.

Reckon he'd go into management? I'd have thought he'd be more in line to go into commentry/punditry. Is he involved in much coaching at the moment?

I think it was well known that with a different manager he would love to come back. But who is to say the new manager would want him. I would like to see a new manager - O'Grady please:D - and would not like to see Seán Óg come back.
I think he could do quite well as manager/skills coach/rainer of a minor team in particular. From there who knows?
I don't think he is currently coaching a team - but open to correction.

padd b1975

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I think it was well known that with a different manager he would love to come back. But who is to say the new manager would want him. I would like to see a new manager - O'Grady please:D - and would not like to see Seán Óg come back.
I think he could do quite well as manager/skills coach/rainer of a minor team in particular. From there who knows?
I don't think he is currently coaching a team - but open to correction.

If he has any sense he is concentrating on playing to the best of his ability with his club, its the best way to get onto a county panel.

ShamoBuc

padd b1975 wrote: »

If he has any sense he is concentrating on playing to the best of his ability with his club, its the best way to get onto a county panel.

Well, he'll be doing that automatically anyway.

bruschi

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I think it was well known that with a different manager he would love to come back. But who is to say the new manager would want him. I would like to see a new manager - O'Grady please:D - and would not like to see Seán Óg come back.
I think he could do quite well as manager/skills coach/rainer of a minor team in particular. From there who knows?
I don't think he is currently coaching a team - but open to correction.

what? has he said that before?? :pac:

ShamoBuc

bruschi wrote: »

what? has he said that before?? :pac:

Not out loud as it were(media). He would have been still there except for Walsh.

padd b1975

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Well, he'll be doing that automatically anyway.

So no need for this mornings kite flying?

willietherock

padd b1975 wrote: »

Talking about a new manager coming in while there is a manager in situ is undermining the existing manager.

At least it is in my book.

Oh dear! There is no manager in situ. DW's term has finished. Amazing given your interest in his every word i find strange you don't have a clue what his hurling form is like at the moment.

In general, I find the obsession like interest with whatever bland comments SOg makes almost scary. If SOg was quoted as saying 4+4 = 8, they'd be lads on here kicking up a stink

KerranJast

Couple of points (I'm probably repeating others):
1. He was asked would he like to come back to play intercounty. He said of course he would talk to a the new manager if the new manager wanted him on the panel.
2. Cork currently don't have a manager as willietherock says.
3. The previous manager made it clear Sean Og wasn't in his plans which is why he said "a new manager".
4. There was also a lot of talk from both Sean Og and John Gardiner about how Cork needed to bring more and better youth players through to supplant the old Guard like they did in the 2000s.

Summary: Irrational over-reaction on the Internet to a misleading newspaper headline. :rolleyes: Listen back to the first hour of last nights Off the Ball for the proper context.

padd b1975

willietherock wrote: »

Oh dear! There is no manager in situ. DW's term has finished. Amazing given your interest in his every word i find strange you don't have a clue what his hurling form is like at the moment.

In general, I find the obsession like interest with whatever bland comments SOg makes almost scary. If SOg was quoted as saying 4+4 = 8, they'd be lads on here kicking up a stink

As far as I know Denis Walsh has not made his intentions public, its in the hands of county board unless he states otherwise.

In my opinion Sean ogs comments cannot but have a bearing on any decision regarding who will manage Cork next year. Sean og is well aware of this. Stupid as a fox that guy.

longpuck

KerranJast wrote: »

Couple of points (I'm probably repeating others):
1. He was asked would he like to come back to play intercounty. He said of course he would talk to a the new manager if the new manager wanted him on the panel.
2. Cork currently don't have a manager as willietherock says.
3. The previous manager made it clear Sean Og wasn't in his plans which is why he said "a new manager".
4. There was also a lot of talk from both Sean Og and John Gardiner about how Cork needed to bring more and better youth players through to supplant the old Guard like they did in the 2000s.

Summary: Irrational over-reaction on the Internet to a misleading newspaper headline. :rolleyes: Listen back to the first hour of last nights Off the Ball for the proper context.

Has Denis Walsh said he wont be staying on? If not then he's still the Cork manager in my book.

If he wants to bring in young players then would him coming back not stop that?

KerranJast

longpuck wrote: »

Has Denis Walsh said he wont be staying on? If not then he's still the Cork manager in my book.

He hasn't afaik but his term has expired so there's currently no manager of the side. I would also say its unlikely he'll get another term but thats neither here nor there.

longpuck wrote: »

If he wants to bring in young players then would him coming back not stop that?

It would but if there aren't good enough players to take the places of the likes of himself, Gardiner, the O'Connors and the rest then its fair enough for him to say he'd play if asked.

The bigger issue for Cork is why at his age he's still a viable prospect to be in the squad. Yes he's very fit but it says a lot about the alternative options.

Mountainlad

KerranJast wrote: »

He hasn't afaik but his term has expired so there's currently no manager of the side. I would also say its unlikely he'll get another term but thats neither here nor there.



It would but if there aren't good enough players to take the places of the likes of himself, Gardiner, the O'Connors and the rest then its fair enough for him to say he'd play if asked.

The bigger issue for Cork is why at his age he's still a viable prospect to be in the squad. Yes he's very fit but it says a lot about the alternative options.

Is he? He wasn't in the squad this year. To be honest I wouldn't rate him ahead of Egan, Shane O'Neill or Ronan Curran.

big toenails

If he did it would certainly increase team morale and that in itself would be a massive boost. Does he have the stamina anymore though? No disrespect to the guy but maybe he should just leave it. Let a new cycle begin.

Orizio

The quotes are from a Newstalk event last night in Na Piarsigh club grounds, Gardiner and others were also present. He was asked if he would like to return and gave an honest answer.

Say what you will about Sean Og, and I don't think he should return, but he is still chomping at the bit to play for Cork, and is never lacking for motivation. Unfortunately the same can't be said for some other lads on the current Cork panel.

teednab-el

Orizio wrote: »

The quotes are from a Newstalk event last night in Na Piarsigh club grounds, Gardiner and others were also present. He was asked if he would like to return and gave an honest answer.

Say what you will about Sean Og, and I don't think he should return, but he is still chomping at the bit to play for Cork, and is never lacking for motivation. Unfortunately the same can't be said for some other lads on the current Cork panel.

One thing you can say about Sean Og that he is a warrior and gives it 100% on the field of play. I would love to see him on the panel or being used as an impact sub for Cork. He's a lot better than some of the other selections they have on the panel.