Think ive been scammed on buying a car with northern plates

GaryMunster

Im starting to panic here so please no smart comments. I bought a car a couple of days ago in Tipperary, it has northern plates. I only got part of the V5 form which is section 9 (Notification of Sale/Transfer to the Motor Trade/Insurer/Dismantler) and section 11 (Notification of permanent export). The guy that was selling it said this was all i needed for the NCT centre to vrt the car but it only has the cars reg on those 2 sections. He said he only had it a couple of weeks and has to sell already as he is buying a work vehicle. Am I in trouble or is he right? Can I vrt this car with just those 2 sections? Advise please and yes I know im an idiot:(

listermint

Dont you need the Irish Registration to NCT a car? I thought you would have to VRT it first.

GaryMunster

listermint wrote: »

Dont you need the Irish Registration to NCT a car? I thought you would have to VRT it first.

You have to Vrt cars in select Nct centres now instead of revenue office

si_guru

If he has VRT'd it then he should have the plates.... but the tax book will be sent to him.

The NCT would have kept the V5 I think... (not sure on that bit).

He should have a notice from the VRT anyway... showing the VRT paid and IRL plates.

Quazzie

Isn't sale of Northern registered cars restricted to certain traders in the south?

Ricardo G

Did you ring the guy you bought it off and ask him where the other part of the V5 is ??

GaryMunster

Ricardo G wrote: »

Did you ring the guy you bought it off and ask him where the other part of the V5 is ??

Yes i did just there and it went to voicemail, I feel like a f**cking idiot

si_guru wrote: »

If he has VRT'd it then he should have the plates.... but the tax book will be sent to him.

The NCT would have kept the V5 I think... (not sure on that bit).

He should have a notice from the VRT anyway... showing the VRT paid and IRL plates.

its not VRT'd, its on NI plates

GaryMunster

Quazzie wrote: »

Isn't sale of Northern registered cars restricted to certain traders in the south?

I hope not

Mr Benevolent

Quazzie wrote: »

Isn't sale of Northern registered cars restricted to certain traders in the south?

Eh? Don't be silly.

-Corkie-

Confab wrote: »

Eh? Don't be silly.

He is right.You need permission from the Revenue to do so.

drunkmonkey

Did you google the phone number, did you try calling the phone from another number.

L-M

-Corkie- wrote: »

He is right.You need permission from the Revenue to do so.

+1

Also, technically the sale of an unregistered vehilce in this country to another person is illegal, AFAIK, I remember reading it on here before.

OP i hope you met this person at their house, I've never been involved in the Import of an English car so my knowledge is limited but something odd is amuc.

GaryMunster

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did you google the phone number, did you try calling the phone from another number.

No Ill try in a minute, thanks

I contacted NCT and they said contact DVLNI, I contacted dvlni and they were helpful, they said all I need to Vrt the car is to fill out a V756 form and that is proof of export, all the details will be on the car. I hope to god this works

GaryMunster

Limerick man wrote: »

+1

Also, technically the sale of an unregistered vehilce in this country to another person is illegal, AFAIK, I remember reading it on here before.

OP i hope you met this person at their house, I've never been involved in the Import of an English car so my knowledge is limited but something odd is amuc.

I met them in their village not there house (as i write this down im feeling very stupid) but I have the reg of his other car

corktina

I dont know if the DVLNI will send the cert of export to a foreign addres. (They normally would send this to the guy who exported it (ie the Registered Keeper). I hope they do as you can re-register it with that cert.

you'll have to pay the VRT as well of course :mad:

Tragedy

Not necessarily a scam. When I've bought cars privately in the UK, I had to fight them to get the entire V5(including ringing up the DVLA and putting the seller on to them to confirm that they should give me the entire V5).
In the UK, sellers NEVER give the entire V5. It's the ultimate no-no.

lafors

Just to see if I understand this correctly....
You bought a car with a northern reg?
You knew the car was on a northern reg when buying?
You knew you would be paying VRT on the car (when you NCT it)?
You got parts of the V5?

If the answer to all that is yes then everything seems fine.
He should have kept part of the V5 to send to the DVLNI to inform them the car has been exported.
You should use your parts of the V5 when you VRT your car.
They will give you a Irish registration number.
You get the plates made and put them on the car.
All done.

Our man in Havana

corktina wrote: »

I dont know if the DVLNI will send the cert of export to a foreign addres. (They normally would send this to the guy who exported it (ie the Registered Keeper). I hope they do as you can re-register it with that cert.

you'll have to pay the VRT as well of course :mad:

They will send the form to any address you give them. Done it many times before.

GaryMunster

lafors wrote: »

Just to see if I understand this correctly....
You bought a car with a northern reg?
You knew the car was on a northern reg when buying?
You knew you would be paying VRT on the car (when you NCT it)?
You got parts of the V5?

If the answer to all that is yes then everything seems fine.
He should have kept part of the V5 to send to the DVLNI to inform them the car has been exported.
You should use your parts of the V5 when you VRT your car.
They will give you a Irish registration number.
You get the plates made and put them on the car.
All done.

Yes to all of those, Thanks everyone for your help so far. I will keep ye posted on how this turns out

galwaytt

lafors wrote: »

He should have kept part of the V5 to send to the DVLNI to inform them the car has been exported.
You should use your parts of the V5 when you VRT your car.
All done.

Incorrect. You must be given the entire V5. It even tells you that on the Dvlc website.

Senna

The part of the V5 that the seller takes is the "permanent export" part. It sounds like the OP has this part and not the section with has chassis number, colour, number of seat etc etc.

Go into an NCT centre that can VRT it and ask them is this ok. Tell them you bought it from the previous owner in NI and you have a receipt of sale (doesn't matter that you didn't), you just want their advice on whether you can VRT it with this part of the V5 you have.

Our man in Havana

And if they won't get the export cert from DVLNI. Simples.

mickdw

Our man in Havana wrote: »

And if they won't get the export cert from DVLNI. Simples.

They will send out export certs with no cross checks. I always thought it rather odd myself. recently gt one for an old honda bike too. No issues, just sent it out to me even though I was never registered as owner etc.

corktina

Senna wrote: »

The part of the V5 that the seller takes is the "permanent export" part. It sounds like the OP has this part and not the section with has chassis number, colour, number of seat etc etc.

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the seller should give the entire V5C to the buyer in this instance. The Export section is strictly only for use by the Registered Owner.

lafors

galwaytt wrote: »

Incorrect. You must be given the entire V5. It even tells you that on the Dvlc website.

Well from personal experience I know when I bought my wifes A3 in the UK I did not have all of the V5, The garage sent off the part about the export. I contacted the DVLA there and then myself when I was standing there in the garage in Weybridge as I believed I should get all of the V5, as you said. I had been studying up on buying a car in the UK including the great thread we had on it here. They (the DVLA) told me that it was OK for the garage to send on the part for export. I brought the rest of the the V5 I had to VRT the car, in Santry near the airport at the time, and had absolutely no issues with registering it or paying VRT. I contacted the DVLA about the car to make sure the car had been classified as an export...was approx about 3 months after I registered it here, and they informed me it had been (I had taken a photocopy of the parts of the V5 I had).

I'm sure you are technically correct but I know from personal experience that not having all the V5 was not an issue.

OP the only other thing I noticed is that you say the guy who sold you the car only bought it recently. He may not have any more parts of the V5, it may be with the previous owner.
Your best bet imho is to ring DVLNI and explain what you have. I'm sure they will be able to help you in the right direction rather than listen to us. Oh and let us know how you get on

corktina

you and or your dealer used the incorrect method. You struck lucky, that is no reason why anyone else should attempt doing it this way, it could cause you a whole heap of trouble if you meet the wrong person at the NCTS

It is clearly shown on the UK website that someone selling to a foreigner intending to export a car should hand him the whole V5C and write to the DVLA (or DVLNI) telling them what he has done. The export slip is ONLY for use by the Registered Owner exporting the car THEMSELVES.

Friend of mine was only given the small "permanent export section" when he bought a UK registered car from an Irish seller, had absolutely no problem VRTing with just this small part of the V5.

stephendevlin

They dont sent V5's to Rep Ireland. You have to send a letter to them requesting the V5 and a form. I had to do it as I waited ages for it and then just called them. You'll get sorted.

stephendevlin

They dont sent V5's to Rep Ireland. You have to send a letter to them requesting the V5 and a form. I had to do it as I waited ages for it and then just called them. You'll get sorted.

corktina

Riley Slimy Greyhound wrote: »

Friend of mine was only given the small "permanent export section" when he bought a UK registered car from an Irish seller, had absolutely no problem VRTing with just this small part of the V5.

was that recently I wonder?

mgbgt1978

lafors wrote: »

He should have kept part of the V5 to send to the DVLNI to inform them the car has been exported.
on the car.

The permanent export section of the V5 is only for a UK owner who is moving abroad and taking the car with them.
Also the seller in this case is from S. Ireland and should have had the complete V5 to hand over to the buyer (even though it is illegal for an Irish resident to sell a car with a foreign registration).

vdriver

They do send the V5 to Ireland. Bought a car privately in Belfast, the seller completed the first part of V5 with my Irish address and sent it to DVLA. In about a week I got the same V5 from DVLA. They automatically mark the car as exported, seeing a ''foreign'' address .

rugbyman

two posters on here have stated ,one referring to a boards post that one cannot sell a foreign reg car in ireland to another person. this is rubbish. and as I recall a poster said " that a guard told him" so.

if one owns anything, even a moon rock ,one can sell it, anywhere!

Lafors has the story right.

Regards Rugbyman


I did not think it possible that old car fanciers could disagree on anything, but?

-Corkie-

rugbyman wrote: »

two posters on here have stated ,one referring to a boards post that one cannot sell a foreign reg car in ireland to another person. this is rubbish. and as I recall a poster said " that a guard told him" so.

if one owns anything, even a moon rock ,one can sell it, anywhere!

Lafors has the story right.

Regards Rugbyman


I did not think it possible that old car fanciers could disagree on anything, but?

Really you should ask the Revenue Commisioners.They make the rules so I doubt its rubbish.

corktina

rugbyman wrote: »

two posters on here have stated ,one referring to a boards post that one cannot sell a foreign reg car in ireland to another person. this is rubbish. and as I recall a poster said " that a guard told him" so.

if one owns anything, even a moon rock ,one can sell it, anywhere!

Lafors has the story right.

Regards Rugbyman


I did not think it possible that old car fanciers could disagree on anything, but?

you can sell something that is legal but an unregistered car is illegal to own so you cant sell it and would be foolish to buy it. You cant sell it because you must re-register it on entry into the state,you have 7 days to book your appointment with the NCTS and 30 days to complete the process, otherwise you risk it being seized by Customs.

Why do the Irish always think they can find an "easier" way to do something that causes them more aggro in the long run!

rugbyman

hello Corkie

i spend my life being,or trying to be,diplomatic. and calling what one classic car fancier says,is rubbish is not diplomatic.

but the origin of this nonsense,that an irishman cannot sell a foreign car,in ireland ,to another irishman ,is rubbish.

this notion may have originated here on boards where a poster quoted a guard
as having said so.

If any one can show me that the revenue comm have a problem on this issue I will gladly give 100 euro to any charity you name

By the way I am referring to sales of a classic car.
Regards Rugbyman

rugbyman

Corkie, I have just realised that this subject is in "motors" not" classics"

however the offer stands.

Rugbyman


I fully realise that there are dealers who have a "TAN" cert to hold foreign cars, my stance is that anything one owns ,one can sell.

corktina

good luck with that arguement should the Customs ever have cause to debate it with you.

-Corkie-

rugbyman wrote: »

Corkie, I have just realised that this subject is in "motors" not" classics"

however the offer stands.

Rugbyman


I fully realise that there are dealers who have a "TAN" cert to hold foreign cars, my stance is that anything one owns ,one can sell.

I cannot find it on the Revenue site atm Rugbyman but it is there. Call them tomorrow and they will confirm it..:)

corktina

corktina wrote: »

was that recently I wonder?

It was a few years ago.

shamwari

From the DVLA website

DVLA wrote:

Taking your vehicle abroad for more than 12 months (permanent export)

When a vehicle registered in the United Kingdom (UK) is taken out of the country for 12 months or more, it’s regarded as being permanently exported from the UK.

You can tell DVLA by filling in the section ‘Notification of Permanent Export’ (V5C/4) of the vehicle registration certificate (V5C), and send it to DVLA, Swansea SA99 1BD. Keep the rest of the registration certificate, as you may need this to re-register the vehicle abroad. Your vehicle will become subject to the legal requirements of the new country when exported.

If you don’t have a registration certificate you’ll need to get a certificate of permanent export (V561). Download and complete the V756 ‘Application for certificate or permanent export’ and send to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AG.

corktina

Just to make it very clear, the preceding is instructions for the REGISTERED KEEPER exporting the vehicle HIMSELF
In the case of the Registered keeper selling to someone else who is exporting the car, the DVLA tell you to give them the whole V5C and write to them to tell them you have done so.

corktina

Riley Slimy Greyhound wrote: »

It was a few years ago.

new ball game now with the NCTS running the system I suspect.

lafors

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you corktina, but what is supposed to happen and what does happen are 2 different things, especially in a country like this. I don't think the OP was being scammed nor do I think he was/is trying to scam the revenue or anyone else. It may be some hassle to sort out but nothing to get too stressed about. If he contacts the DVLNI they will tell him what he needs for export, if he contacts the revenue they will do the same for registering it here. He gets all the forms in order and he's done.

Just wondering what would be the reason for someone withholding a V5 especially when they don't have the car anymore?

corktina

i IMAGINE THE GUY DIDNT HAVE THE v5 TO GIVE HAVING BOUGHT THE CAR IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES TO THE op oops cap lock

MidlandsM

corktina wrote: »

i IMAGINE THE GUY DIDNT HAVE THE v5 TO GIVE HAVING BOUGHT THE CAR IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES TO THE op oops cap lock

yeah, I agree. The guy probably did'nt get all the paperwork with the car from the Northern Irish vendor. Also OP, you'll need an invoice for the car- they'll ask for that down the NCT centre.

neacy69

GaryMunster wrote: »

Yes to all of those, Thanks everyone for your help so far. I will keep ye posted on how this turns out

If you have all those parts you should be fine...


How did you get on?

GaryMunster

I missing alot of sections so I filled out the V756 form to permanently export the car in my name and sent it away yesterday. I will park up the car and wait for that form, when that arrives I will go to the nct centre. Has anyone ever filled out this V756 form? and do they know how long this takes to come back. It said on the site it may take up to 6 weeks :O..BTW thanks for all the replies

Our man in Havana

3 or 4 weeks is the norm.

corktina

GaryMunster wrote: »

I missing alot of sections so I filled out the V756 form to permanently export the car in my name and sent it away yesterday. I will park up the car and wait for that form, when that arrives I will go to the nct centre. Has anyone ever filled out this V756 form? and do they know how long this takes to come back. It said on the site it may take up to 6 weeks :O..BTW thanks for all the replies

you ll be fine now, dont forget that receipt though, probably written on a sheet out of the back of an old school copy or a fag packet would do :cool:

GaryMunster

Our man in Havana wrote: »

3 or 4 weeks is the norm.

Ok, Thanks

corktina wrote: »

you ll be fine now, dont forget that receipt though, probably written on a sheet out of the back of an old school copy or a fag packet would do :cool:

Cheers, will do!