Media Awakening to the Severity of Everton's Situation

The Volt

Often portrayed as the underdog, Everton have one of the most talented, young managers in the game and have, for quite some time been punching above their weight. With the bulk of the squad (Cahill, Arteta, Jagielka, Howard, Neville, Osman, Hibbert, Saha, Distin) ageing, David Moyes has had to live with spending no money on new first team players in the last 6 transfer windows. Club chairman and lifelong blue, Bill Kenwright has, on several occasions stated that he is searching 24/7 for a buyer but when clubs like Birmingham and Blackburn have found investment in recent years, many Toffees can't help but wonder why Everton remains static. Goodison Park is falling down. 40% of the seats have obstructed viewing and this has seen a decline in season ticket sales over the last few seasons. The lack of corporate facilities at the ground also impact on the money that the club takes in on matchdays.

To add to this, the club's communication with the fans is abysmal. The board hasn't held a shareholder's meeting or AGM in quite some time now, possibly looking to avoid the attention that they deserve. 'Kenwright Out' banners have been seen at Goodison in recent months but there has been no real interest from the media, until now that is. A body of supporters calling themselves 'The People's Group' have started a camaign on twitter lately to try and raise awareness in the media regarding the ongoing situation with the club.

from keoic.net

The People’s Group strategy of awakening the media from the PR induced coma they’ve slipped into, over Everton, appears to have become a spectacular success.

Following Chris Bascombe’s scathing online article last week, another, Liverpool born and bred, national journalist, Brian Reade, has succinctly highlighted the genuine concerns being raised by Evertonians everywhere. Even Everton’s previous media bastion of support “Talksport” welcomed and gave air time to a People’s Group spokesperson who eloquently explained that fans have become tired of Everton being portrayed as “plucky little Everton “ and the spin and misrepresentation of the true facts surrounding the financial performance off the field, that manifests itself on the field and inhibits the excellent work of the manager, David Moyes.

David Moyes, earlier this year, stated “Seventh might be as good as it can get for Everton with the resources and the way teams are spending now. I don’t think this football club needs hundreds of millions it just needs some fresh cash to try to start again and give us some impetus going into the new season.”

It appears David Moyes’ plea has fallen on deaf ears so far; speaking to members of KEIOC on Friday evening, who were in the directors box for the Bury game, he explained, “no players coming in no players going out, we've got no money” asked about Nzogbia he exclaimed “I wish!”

The manager is not alone, the concerns of the majority of Evertonians are also being ignored. Everton’s “communication” spokesman, Ian Ross, appeared on the Talksport’ morning show; Ian was last heard from earlier in the year when he laughingly claimed the delay to construction at the Park End was due to a reluctance to relocate offices and IT equipment during the season, the farce can be read here.

Alan Brazil welcomed the Everton employee with an ominous “alright Rossy sir” which told you everything. Ross proceeded with the old destination Kirkby tactic of attempting to dumb down the argument. Evertonians will never forget the disgraceful PR campaign, conducted through the Echo, which attempted to portray complex concerns over Kirkby simply as an uneducated unwillingness to relocate a couple of hundred yards over the city boundary.

On Talksport Ross explained that some Evertonians thought there was a pot of money hidden away at Goodison for a rainy day and repeated the condescending and patronizing dogma of 85p in the pound being spent at Finch Farm. NEWSFLASH - Evertonians know where the money goes, we can all read the accounts, nobody is asking about this, they’re asking why is there a lack of money coming into the club, they’re questioning the directors apparent inability to generate increased levels of revenue, they’re questioning the rationale behind Kirkby, the failure of the King’s Dock, what’s happened at the Park End and why do we appear to have director’s who take their instructions from others. A warm welcome may be received however for an explanation on what constitutes £24m per annum of what are called “other operating expenses”.

KEIOC’s own secretary published a cutting article on fan site Toffeeweb that highlighted the board’s performance over a litany of failures. The accompanying vote indicates nine out of ten Evertonians now want an interim board to replace the present incumbents.

The week ended with the Echo’s Dave Prentice attempting to recover some credibility after an earlier missive, but still managed to publish almost a full column of the club's financial propaganda; but the best was left till last, the pièce de résistance from CEO, Robert Elstone, can be read here.

Attempts to dismiss the unrest as being from a minority of fans are simply ludicrous, claiming senior management are communicating with fans is equally ludicrous when the fans in question are handpicked, sworn to secrecy and only discuss what the club allow them to discuss is nothing less than insulting; it is widely known that the group has been assembled in order to comply with UEFA licensing regulations, nothing more, nothing less and it is disappointing that the CEO feels the desperate need to portray them as something they’re certainly not, representative. Nobody doubts there isn’t a lot of hard work going on at Everton, it’s just that it’s too little, too late and simply not good enough to support Everton’s desire for success on the pitch.

The real message is stop the spin, stop the lies, and listen to the fans. Failure to listen to the real issues the fans have could have disastrous consequences, far greater than the falling season ticket sales now being experienced or having to delete message after message in response to the above blog. What’s it going to take to stop this madness? The last time fans weren’t listened to it cost millions and has put the club back five years.

Will this represent the possible start of the real change that Everton Football Club needs? What's certain is that if things don't change soon, the club that has played more top flight games than any other English club may soon find that accolade come under severe threat.

Paully D

There's never going to be much interest from the media when Everton continually finish in the upper reaches of the Premier League.

In fairness, could it be that Kenwright wants to sell to buyers that he can be sure will look after the club for years to come? I know for a fact I wouldn't want Carson Yeung or Venky's in charge of my club so I presume a lot of Everton fans would feel the same way, no?

Everton will finish around 7th again this season despite spending no money. It's unreal.

The Volt

Paully D wrote: »

There's never going to be much interest from the media when Everton continually finish in the upper reaches of the Premier League.

In fairness, could it be that Kenwright wants to sell to buyers that he can be sure will look after the club for years to come? I know for a fact I wouldn't want Carson Yeung or Venky's in charge of my club so I presume a lot of Everton fans would feel the same way, no?

Everton will finish around 7th again this season despite spending no money. It's unreal.

You may be right, the notion of it taking us to go down before things improve is a scary one. From what I've heard, Kenwright wants someone to come into the club and invest but allow him to remain on as chairman. That's really not going to happen and he needs to get real about that, if that's the case of course. He's also fallen out with other substantial shareholders but it's important to remember that it's not just him, none of them have invested anything into the club for years.

Is no investment better than investment from the likes of Yeung? Maybe, but we need some form of injection and we need it soon.

Paully D

Voltwad wrote: »

You may be right, the notion of it taking us to go down before things improve is a scary one. From what I've heard, Kenwright wants someone to come into the club and invest but allow him to remain on as chairman. That's really not going to happen and he needs to get real about that, if that's the case of course. He's also fallen out with other substantial shareholders but it's important to remember that it's not just him, none of them have invested anything into the club for years.

Is no investment better than investment from the likes of Yeung? Maybe, but we need some form of injection and we need it soon.

I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about the financial situation at the club so I'm just throwing a few things out there

It seems strange that he wants to stay on as chairman alright, but in fairness to him he has been on the board since 1984 (according to Wiki) so I can understand why he might be reluctant to let go.

Regarding purchases, if you sold players such as Rodwell would any of the money go back into the club or would Kenwright and the board just trouser it, like Ashley seems to be doing at Newcastle?

The Volt

Paully D wrote: »

I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about the financial situation at the club so I'm just throwing a few things out there

It seems strange that he wants to stay on as chairman alright, but in fairness to him he has been on the board since 1984 (according to Wiki) so I can understand why he might be reluctant to let go.

Regarding purchases, if you sold players such as Rodwell would any of the money go back into the club or would Kenwright and the board just trouser it, like Ashley seems to be doing at Newcastle?

It could well be a power thing with Kenwright but he's often said that if the right buyer came in then he'd step aside immediately. I'm not sure anyone buys into that. As well as that though, he's been to the fore of some major cock ups. Most sickeningly, we had a chance to have a state of the art, brand new stadium on the King's Dock a decade ago and Kenwright had to find £30m. He went around shouting to everyone that he had this money 'ringfenced' but the whole thing collapsed. No one really knows exactly why or how but there are suggestions that he never had the money and that when Paul Gregg offered to front the money, Kenwright ran a smear campaign about him because he didn't want to lose control.

This article's worth a read if you're interested - http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Brian-Reade-Everton-Bill-Kenwright-Frank-Lampard-groin-Christine-Bleakley-QPR-West-Ham-Neil-Warnock-Keiron-Dyer-article768944.html

I read somewhere that Moyes was told he could have 80% of funds raised from player sales but there's something glaringly wrong when we can't find £4m for a down payment for N'Zogbia. "Going with what we've got" is an awful prospect. This is a team that is better than the sum of its parts, but Moyes can't be expected to keep working miracles. The team is short in a lot of areas and the back up players do not inspire a lot of confidence. It will be another 7th place finish at best. Who are we likely to compete with for a europa league spot? Arsenal? Spurs? Both haven't a problem scoring goals.As things stand right now Arsenal could still finish in the top 4 as they have not lost both Fabregas and Nasri. I cannot see how we can compete for a top 6 anymore.

eagle eye

Paully D wrote: »

There's never going to be much interest from the media when Everton continually finish in the upper reaches of the Premier League.

In fairness, could it be that Kenwright wants to sell to buyers that he can be sure will look after the club for years to come? I know for a fact I wouldn't want Carson Yeung or Venky's in charge of my club so I presume a lot of Everton fans would feel the same way, no?

Everton will finish around 7th again this season despite spending no money. It's unreal.

Why are you putting Venkys in there? Because of a few comments they made early on?

CSF

eagle eye wrote: »

Why are you putting Venkys in there? Because of a few comments they made early on?

Maybe for sacking a decent enough manager and replacing him with an inexperienced dud?

eagle eye

CSF wrote: »

Maybe for sacking a decent enough manager and replacing him with an inexperienced dud?

That hasn't been proven yet to be fair.

CSF

eagle eye wrote: »

That hasn't been proven yet to be fair.

Yes it has.

eagle eye

CSF wrote: »

Yes it has.

How?

JPA

eagle eye wrote: »

How?

Their plummet down the table?

Paully D

eagle eye wrote: »

Why are you putting Venkys in there? Because of a few comments they made early on?

It's because they're an absolute shambles and put simply, don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

eagle eye

JPA wrote: »

Their plummet down the table?

I'm not confident about Kean at all but he never had a preseason with the players so you really can only judge him this year.

Jordonvito

Venkys have turned Blackburn into a laughing stock. They appointed an absolute joke of a manager, sacked a good manager and then all this ridiculous speculation about Kaka and Ronaldinhio, its a shame they stayed up instead of Blackpool..

eagle eye

Paully D wrote: »

It's because they're an absolute shambles and put simply, don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

How do you know this? Are you basing it on a couple of early comments they made to the media? Yes they are inexperienced in the football game but they've built a huge empire in the chicken industry, they are smart business people.

They've completely changed their approach now and are not talking about who they would like to sign or giving any hints as to who they have bids in for.

The only place you could be basing your comments off of if you are talking about recent stuff is Alan Nixon and I think you know how full of crap he is.

eagle eye

Jordonvito wrote: »

Venkys have turned Blackburn into a laughing stock. They appointed an absolute joke of a manager, sacked a good manager and then all this ridiculous speculation about Kaka and Ronaldinhio, its a shame they stayed up instead of Blackpool..

Tell me how you know that Kean is a joke of a manager as you put it? Do you know him personally, have you any clue about him? Other than wiki and rubbish you read in tabloids.

I personally don't have any confidence in the man but I still admit that he is at best unproven.

Paully D

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you know this? Are you basing it on a couple of early comments they made to the media? Yes they are inexperienced in the football game but they've built a huge empire in the chicken industry, they are smart business people.

They've completely changed their approach now and are not talking about who they would like to sign or giving any hints as to who they have bids in for.

The only place you could be basing your comments off of if you are talking about recent stuff is Alan Nixon and I think you know how full of crap he is.

There's a world of difference between the chicken industry and football. In fact I don't think they realised just how much different it is.

Fair enough they've changed their approach, but that still won't get away from the fact they sacked an experience Premier League manager who would have had the club challenging for mid-table and replaced him with a manager who will be lucky to have a managerial career on a par with Les Parry.

They're not giving any hints about who they will sign because it looks like they're nowhere near signing anyone of note. If a big bid comes in for Samba he'll be off and they'll trouser the money, same with Hoilett.

I do think Blackburn will stay up because the three newly promoted sides are worse off for a start, but it will be a long hard season with Venky's liable to do just about anything to make it even harder.

Jordonvito

eagle eye wrote: »

Tell me how you know that Kean is a joke of a manager as you put it? Do you know him personally, have you any clue about him? Other than wiki and rubbish you read in tabloids.

I personally don't have any confidence in the man but I still admit that he is at best unproven.

I honestly reckon I would be a better manager than him. I have never heard him say one thing insightful or interesting, at least with big Sam his football might not have been great but at least he had a bit of personality and had interesting thoughts.
The only reason they have him in charge is because he acts as their little robot. Kean knows this the only possible way he will ever be in charge of a Premiership club. He will be obedient and will go along with anything the owners suggest until Blackburn are relegated this season and then he will be sacked.

eagle eye

Jordonvito wrote: »

I honestly reckon I would be a better manager than him. I have never heard him say one thing insightful or interesting, at least with big Sam his football might not have been great but at least he had a bit of personality and had interesting thoughts.
The only reason they have him in charge is because he acts as their little robot. Kean knows this the only possible way he will ever be in charge of a Premiership club. He will be obedient and will go along with anything the owners suggest until Blackburn are relegated this season and then he will be sacked.

So basically you haven't a clue about him and are a very deluded person thinking you would do a better job that somebody who is in the game for a long time.

Allardyce said this about him when he signed him as first team coach

"We had numerous applications for the first-team coaching position and Steve stood out above the rest through his personality, experience and knowledge of football at the highest level," said Allardyce.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/04/blackburn-rovers-steve-kean-new-coach

It was widely rumoured that Scolari wanted him as his assistant at Chelsea but he turned it down. But you believe you could do a better job than him. Lmfao, you need to step away from the computer and get out into the real world.

eagle eye

Paully D wrote: »

There's a world of difference between the chicken industry and football. In fact I don't think they realised just how much different it is.

Its not like they are the first people to come into the Premier League with no experience in football. Its a different business for sure but having read what Banaji Rao had to say only two weeks ago I'm more confident than I was a couple of months back. I do admit that I was very skeptical when they sacked Allardyce and started talking about big names.
Here it is if you want to read it. http://af.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idAFJOE7660L620110707

Paully D wrote: »

Fair enough they've changed their approach, but that still won't get away from the fact they sacked an experience Premier League manager who would have had the club challenging for mid-table and replaced him with a manager who will be lucky to have a managerial career on a par with Les Parry.

Seriously this rubbish about Steve Kean is just annoying. You really have no clue what he is like, he is at best unproven to this point. I'm not hugely confident myself about him but you do realise that over the last 21 games of the season with Kean in charge that we got 22 points, just one less that Steve Bruce at Sunderland who got 23?

Paully D wrote: »

They're not giving any hints about who they will sign because it looks like they're nowhere near signing anyone of note. If a big bid comes in for Samba he'll be off and they'll trouser the money, same with Hoilett.

More guesswork here. Steve Kean only said the other day that we have two substantial bids in for players.
And on Samba, we have been hearing speculation all summer about him but he is still a Rover and gone off to Hong Kong now with the team. Hoilett is in the middle of contract negotiations at the moment.

Paully D wrote: »

I do think Blackburn will stay up because the three newly promoted sides are worse off for a start, but it will be a long hard season with Venky's liable to do just about anything to make it even harder.

This is all based on guesswork and some crap thats come mainly from Alan Nixon. I'm surprised at you that would believe the rubbish thats printed in the tabloids.

Paully D

eagle eye wrote: »

Its not like they are the first people to come into the Premier League with no experience in football. Its a different business for sure but having read what Banaji Rao had to say only two weeks ago I'm more confident than I was a couple of months back. I do admit that I was very skeptical when they sacked Allardyce and started talking about big names.
Here it is if you want to read it. http://af.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idAFJOE7660L620110707


Seriously this rubbish about Steve Kean is just annoying. You really have no clue what he is like, he is at best unproven to this point. I'm not hugely confident myself about him but you do realise that over the last 21 games of the season with Kean in charge that we got 22 points, just one less that Steve Bruce at Sunderland who got 23?

More guesswork here. Steve Kean only said the other day that we have two substantial bids in for players.
And on Samba, we have been hearing speculation all summer about him but he is still a Rover and gone off to Hong Kong now with the team. Hoilett is in the middle of contract negotiations at the moment.

This is all based on guesswork and some crap thats come mainly from Alan Nixon. I'm surprised at you that would believe the rubbish thats printed in the tabloids.

In fairness mate if your main retort to me is ''guesswork'' then I could just as easily say the same thing back to you.

All that article shows is that they've got some badly needed PR advice. It won't change much, if anything, behind the scenes.

Come on, every man and his dog knows that Kean isn't up to it. He's so out of his depth in the Premier League that he should start wearing goggles on the touchline! Regarding the comparison to Bruce, Sunderland had the worst injury crisis in their living memory with 8-11 first team players out injured at any one time for 3 months and still managed to finish 10th. If Kean had managed to do that then I'd be proclaiming him to be a very good manager, but the simple fact is that he hasn't and I'd be amazed if he got anywhere near the top 10 as a Premier League manager.

Samba is still a Blackburn player because the sides that were reported to be interested haven't actually made an offer. Do you honestly think he'd stay at Blackburn, or that Venky's would even keep him, if a club like Arsenal came in with a decent bid. As for Hoillet signing a new contract, Henderson signed a 5 year deal in April 2010. It means nothing except you'll get a bit more money for him if a bigger club comes in with a bid.

As for my prediction of a struggle for Blackburn, as course it's guesswork mate. All ante-post predictions are. I know not to take anything Nixon says seriously and I don't know why you think that I do just because I think Blackburn are in for a tough season?

CSF

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not hugely confident myself about him but you do realise that over the last 21 games of the season with Kean in charge that we got 22 points, just one less that Steve Bruce at Sunderland who got 23?.

Which was a gigantic collapse on the part of Sunderland. Sunderland had an awful finish.

You do realise that with a point average of 22 points over Keen's entire 21 games if that stretched over the course of the season Blackburn would be relegated. Of course there were 17 more games where Keen was not manager and neither you nor I can say how they would have went. But such an abysmal average as a Premiership manager is certainly not saying anything worth defending.

eagle eye

CSF wrote: »

Which was a gigantic collapse on the part of Sunderland. Sunderland had an awful finish.

You do realise that with a point average of 22 points over Keen's entire 21 games if that stretched over the course of the season Blackburn would be relegated. Of course there were 17 more games where Keen was not manager and neither you nor I can say how they would have went. But such an abysmal average as a Premiership manager is certainly not saying anything worth defending.

If you were to base everybody's performance over the whole season based on those last 21 games then we would have stayed up.

Owen Coyle and Bolton only managed 21 points, Blackpool 14 points, Birmingham 21, West Ham 19.

When he took over we were 5 points away from relegation. We finished the season 4 points away from it.

eagle eye

Paully D wrote: »

Come on, every man and his dog knows that Kean isn't up to it. He's so out of his depth in the Premier League that he should start wearing goggles on the touchline! Regarding the comparison to Bruce, Sunderland had the worst injury crisis in their living memory with 8-11 first team players out injured at any one time for 3 months and still managed to finish 10th. If Kean had managed to do that then I'd be proclaiming him to be a very good manager, but the simple fact is that he hasn't and I'd be amazed if he got anywhere near the top 10 as a Premier League manager.

Just on this. You know we had a major injury crisis too? Dunn wasn't fit pretty much all season long, Andrews missed most of the season and our player of the season from the year before Steven N'Zonzi missed almost the whole season too. Phil Jones was playing out of position in midfield and he went down in Kean's first game in charge and was out for 3 months. Up front we had a lot of injury problems too.

JPA

So... Everton are poor.

x in the city

Voltwad wrote: »

Often portrayed as the underdog, Everton have one of the most talented, young managers in the game and have, for quite some time been punching above their weight. With the bulk of the squad (Cahill, Arteta, Jagielka, Howard, Neville, Osman, Hibbert, Saha, Distin) ageing, David Moyes has had to live with spending no money on new first team players in the last 6 transfer windows. Club chairman and lifelong blue, Bill Kenwright has, on several occasions stated that he is searching 24/7 for a buyer but when clubs like Birmingham and Blackburn have found investment in recent years, many Toffees can't help but wonder why Everton remains static. Goodison Park is falling down. 40% of the seats have obstructed viewing and this has seen a decline in season ticket sales over the last few seasons. The lack of corporate facilities at the ground also impact on the money that the club takes in on matchdays.

To add to this, the club's communication with the fans is abysmal. The board hasn't held a shareholder's meeting or AGM in quite some time now, possibly looking to avoid the attention that they deserve. 'Kenwright Out' banners have been seen at Goodison in recent months but there has been no real interest from the media, until now that is. A body of supporters calling themselves 'The People's Group' have started a camaign on twitter lately to try and raise awareness in the media regarding the ongoing situation with the club.

from keoic.net



Will this represent the possible start of the real change that Everton Football Club needs? What's certain is that if things don't change soon, the club that has played more top flight games than any other English club may soon find that accolade come under severe threat.

Everton wont go down unless they implode Spectacularly, but they will be hard pushed to finish seventh with clubs left right and centre having more cash than them.

I cant see Moyes staying much longer unless something is done.

x in the city

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you know this? Are you basing it on a couple of early comments they made to the media? Yes they are inexperienced in the football game but they've built a huge empire in the chicken industry, they are smart business people.

They've completely changed their approach now and are not talking about who they would like to sign or giving any hints as to who they have bids in for.

The only place you could be basing your comments off of if you are talking about recent stuff is Alan Nixon and I think you know how full of crap he is.

the chicken industry, exactly.

sacking big sam like that was a shambles.

x in the city

JPA wrote: »

So... Everton are poor.

yes, but we will still finish above villa, like we usually do

Columbia

Everton have been trying to push treacle up a hill these last few years. So far we've been clinging on but you have to wonder how long this dynamic can go on for. If nothing else, you have to assume that David Moyes will get tired of being held back. The club needs a breakthrough season, but each passing year (with other clubs improving) it gets more difficult.

dreamers75

Moyes really needs to stop signing injury prone players then moaning about it.

CSF

eagle eye wrote: »

If you were to base everybody's performance over the whole season based on those last 21 games then we would have stayed up.

Owen Coyle and Bolton only managed 21 points, Blackpool 14 points, Birmingham 21, West Ham 19.

When he took over we were 5 points away from relegation. We finished the season 4 points away from it.

But you don't measure every other manager over those last 21 games because they've proved over the rest of the season that they are better than that. Keen's Blackburn on the other hand have been that poor for the entirety of his reign.

JPA

dreamers75 wrote: »

Moyes really needs to stop signing injury prone players then moaning about it.

He has stopped signing injury prone players. And all other types of players.

Leiva

Jeez lads in 0.2sec you have turned a thread about Evertons financial situation into a thread about the Blackburn owners .

Personally I don't know much about Evertons finances (or lack of) but I do know one thing ...they have a cracking manager in Moyes.

Is the owner power hungry or has he been at the club so long that he won't let go of the reigns til a proper good buyer is found ?

If it's the later then better let him at it .

Only thing is will the manager have the patients to sit tight ?
Let's not fool ourselves but Moyes is the reason Everton end up on the proper end of the league table , even when he hadn't a penny to spend.

I for one hope Everton get sorted as I wanna have them beaten on the pitch in 90mins and not by matters off the pitch .

God nows this time last season LFC could have been put into admin at any moment , and that's not a good thing for any supporter.

CSF

mixednuts wrote: »

Jeez lads in 0.2sec you have turned a thread about Evertons financial situation into a thread about the Blackburn owners

To be fair its not like there isn't already an Everton thread.

The Volt

CSF wrote: »

To be fair its not like there isn't already an Everton thread.

Given the amount of individual players or funny videos that get their own threads, that's a moot point really. I'd appreciate it if people focused on the topic I've presented rather and take any Blackburn discussion to another thread.

Dont be at yourself

Rafa called this years ago: small club!

mike65

Ah now! I wouldn't rejoice in a club as venerable as Everton going "bang!" and ending up in the hands of carpet baggers. Its a sign of the madness of the game that a club like Everton cannot find a buyer who one might consider solid/trustworthly.

What would the club be valued at? 80 million?

Kess73

Now I love to hate Everton and the games against Everton are the first ones I look for each season when the fixture lists come out, but I take no pleasure in seeing the club struggle and I have real fears that their debt situation is far worse than what is already known.


I think they have suffered from a similar mentality that saw Liverpool fall behind so many teams in terms of commercial savvy.

x in the city

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Rafa called this years ago: small club!

how bad is it to support liverpool so and have all that money pumped into the club and barely finish above the paupers as goodison park.

think about it son...

and fwiw LFC have not won a title for...oh, lets leave it.

paulelectronica

Kess73 wrote: »

Now I love to hate Everton and the games against Everton are the first ones I look for each season when the fixture lists come out, but I take no pleasure in seeing the club struggle and I have real fears that their debt situation is far worse than what is already known.


I think they have suffered from a similar mentality that saw Liverpool fall behind so many teams in terms of commercial savvy.

Everton are been badly run in my opinion. Saw the financial records of last year and the club barely broke even. Elstone came out saying work has been done and an improvement made . Sponsorship deals see us getting 6million a year (kitbag and Chang combined) ,this is fairly pathetic for a huge premiership club in my opinion.

x in the city

mike65 wrote: »

Ah now! I wouldn't rejoice in a club as venerable as Everton going "bang!" and ending up in the hands of carpet baggers. Its a sign of the madness of the game that a club like Everton cannot find a buyer who one might consider solid/trustworthly.

What would the club be valued at? 80 million?

well I dont want sheiks or yanks at the club looking at the game unfolding and not having a clue whats going on.

Everton have huge tradition, I think the best bet at the moment is for a ridiculously wealthy thai person to buy out the club.

by all accounts they have a great rapport with the thai people due to the sponsor.

Mr Alan

x in the city wrote: »

well I dont want sheiks or yanks at the club looking at the game unfolding and not having a clue whats going on.

Everton have huge tradition, I think the best bet at the moment is for a ridiculously wealthy thai person to buy out the club.

by all accounts they have a great rapport with the thai people due to the sponsor.

mike65

Quite!

tommyhaas

Kess73 wrote: »

Now I love to hate Everton and the games against Everton are the first ones I look for each season when the fixture lists come out, but I take no pleasure in seeing the club struggle and I have real fears that their debt situation is far worse than what is already known.


I think they have suffered from a similar mentality that saw Liverpool fall behind so many teams in terms of commercial savvy.

Completely agree with you. There's a good piece on the state of Prem clubs on the guardian site. Looking at Everton, you would have to question how their turnover is so low, infact its only £2m p/a more then Fulham

Looking at Spurs, a similar sized club, had a turnover of £119m in the year prior to their CL qualification, dwarfing the Everton's of £79m. This is the big problem IMO, how have Spurs such a significantly greater turnover?

I would imagine they have a similar size fan base, their grounds have a similar capacity. Yes Everton, like Liverpool do not have a sufficient number of corporate boxes at the ground, but as Kess said above, the board seem to have really dropped the ball, be it is terms of maximising sponsorship revenue, or through a lack of commercial awareness

Evertons wage bill is far below what you would expect for a club in their position and so it seems astonishing that a club, with such a low cost base, that haven't spent on transfers and with significant commercial potential can still be loosing money as they are

EDIT:http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/55741334 Was posted in the SF before, worth a read

x in the city

tommyhaas wrote: »

Completely agree with you. There's a good piece on the state of Prem clubs on the guardian site. Looking at Everton, you would have to question how their turnover is so low, infact its only £2m p/a more then Fulham

Looking at Spurs, a similar sized club, had a turnover of £119m in the year prior to their CL qualification, dwarfing the Everton's of £79m. This is the big problem IMO, how have Spurs such a significantly greater turnover?

I would imagine they have a similar size fan base, their grounds have a similar capacity. Yes Everton, like Liverpool do not have a sufficient number of corporate boxes at the ground, but as Kess said above, the board seem to have really dropped the ball, be it is terms of maximising sponsorship revenue, or through a lack of commercial awareness

Evertons wage bill is far below what you would expect for a club in their position and so it seems astonishing that a club, with such a low cost base, that haven't spent on transfers and with significant commercial potential can still be loosing money as they are

EDIT:http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/55741334 Was posted in the SF before, worth a read

might have something to do with spurs based in the capital and Everton holed up in an ageing stadium (one of the oldest in the world none the less) with about 30-40% of seats offering great views of pillars.

tommyhaas

x in the city wrote: »

might have something to do with spurs based in the capital and Everton holed up in an ageing stadium (one of the oldest in the world none the less) with about 30-40% of seats offering great views of pillars.

Yea obviously thats a factor, but the difference in gate receipts between the clubs is only £9m, Spurs still turned over £40m more. The gulf between these figures cant be solely attributed to the ground

YouTookMyName

It's all liverpools fault, don't ya know!

Ifithadn'thavebeenforthebanin85.

The Volt

It's very likely that Goodison Park itself is putting off potential buyers. All of the history and tradition in the world can't replace corporate facilities.

x in the city

yes, very much so.

sadly now high flying big wigs want more than a players bar with stella on tap.

Voltwad

Voltwad wrote: »

Goodison Park is falling down. 40% of the seats have obstructed viewing and this has seen a decline in season ticket sales over the last few seasons.

Im looking at a few pics online and I have no idea how this 40% of seats being obstructed can be true?

YouTookMyName

Malachi Icy Vessel wrote: »

Im looking at a few pics online and I have no idea how this 40% of seats being obstructed can be true?

Poles everywhere. Finest quality wood too.