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July 23, Stage 20: Grenoble (ITT) 41km

  • 22-07-2011 6:50pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,578 ✭✭✭✭


    The podium is decided

    In recent seasons, the yellow jersey has still been up for grabs going into the final time trial. If that's the case again, this course could prove an inspired choice. anyone who's got some significant strength left in their legs will feature today. The rolling course, which includes the opening part of the climb to chamrousse, won't overly favour time trial specialists such as Fabian Cancellara, but will appeal to the likes of the Schleck brothers, who should be able to take some advantage of their prowess on the hills. The podium places will finally be settled today.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    1. Contador
    2. Cancellara
    3. Evans

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    I think the route suits Cancellera down to the ground.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭tawfeeredux


    I presume Cancellara's been sitting in the grupetto the last couple of days saving himself for this. Don't recall seeing him at the front for any sustained length of time since they hit the Alps. Would love to see Evans take the yellow, but I fear he may have had to work himself too much the last 2 days. Also, can't believe that Leopard Trek won't have had the Schlecks working on what has been an obvious weakness for them. Dream result would be for Evans to take 58 seconds off Andy & for Voeckler to put in one last massive effort to overtake Frank & get on the podium! You can do it Tommy:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,578 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/FRXX0153?dayNum=1

    anyone for andy complaining no one wants to see a TdF won ina wet TT :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Roche and Gadret to go on the attack in the first climb and get a lead of about an hour or so before being brought back by Cav as he tows the peleton along single-handedly straight through the finish-line and directly on to Paris so he can catch the overnight train from Gare du Nord to London and onwards to the Isle of Man, arriving home just in time for the Antiques Roadshow!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    There's one flaw with your prediction, Gadret is out. (and you're talking about the wrong stage)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 gowayuwilya


    The podium is decided

    In recent seasons, the yellow jersey has still been up for grabs going into the final time trial. If that's the case again, this course could prove an inspired choice. anyone who's got some significant strength left in their legs will feature today. The rolling course, which includes the opening part of the climb to chamrousse, won't overly favour time trial specialists such as Fabian Cancellara, but will appeal to the likes of the Schleck brothers, who should be able to take some advantage of their prowess on the hills. The podium places will finally be settled today.

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    Cancellara all the way here.Those are not hills suited to the frandy more like drags. Hope to god cadel gets his 58seconds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,578 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Hermy wrote: »
    Roche and Gadret to go on the attack in the first climb and get a lead of about an hour or so before being brought back by Cav as he tows the peleton along single-handedly straight through the finish-line and directly on to Paris so he can catch the overnight train from Gare du Nord to London and onwards to the Isle of Man, arriving home just in time for the Antiques Roadshow!

    Roche to do well on this one. :p

    hows roche and gadret going to attack together on a ITT:confused:

    never mind the fact that gadret went home a week ago :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Gadret didn't go home - he's been hiding in the grupetto.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Leipheimer is a good time trialist. Looks overpriced with the bookies.

    Hasn't been going well, but may have been saving his legs for this once his GC ambitions were gone.
    I think Andy will just about hang on to yellow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Cancellara to destroy everyone by miles. Martin has been doing too much work. Would have been nice to see Wiggins going into this one with a shot at a win or podium. Is Velits a good time triallist?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    I think there's a lot of Pressure on Evans tomorrow. Everyone expects him to bury the other GC leaders. Not sure it's that simple.
    I would be not at all surprised to see the brothers Schleck pull out top drawer TTs. They have been training in wind tunnels and with Julich and Cancellara.
    What time do the top 5 start from tomorrow.

    Pity Wiggo isn't here. I think the course is very suited to him. For me Tony Martin then FC for the top 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭jiffybag


    Evans is in with a real chance to win this year . Just hope everybody plays fair and we dont get a superhuman performance similar to Carlos Sastre versus Evan a few yrs ago .
    It would make for an akward dinner tomorrow night if Frank where to take the yellow jersey from Andy!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    We've already had at least one superhuman performance quite recently.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Sorry guys but I feel like I've been issuing warnings about using spoiler tags all day, and my last one in the main TdF race thread made it clear that we were going to start issuing cards for any further "offences"

    Beasty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Trying to juggle work, family and trying to get out on the bike for a couple of hours (probably with inevitable results!!) - anyone know approximate TT start times for the main contenders today?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭nomadic


    http://gaps.letour.fr/us.php

    Sammy Sanchez off at 3pm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Sacksian


    Just wondering generally what the range of times is for individual TTs like this, i.e. the gaps between the faster and slower guys?

    There's two minutes between riders starting, and I know that they're not allowed work together but has it ever happened that riders have ended up in a group of two along the way? Or would they just get disqualified?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,223 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Just wondering generally what the range of times is for individual TTs like this, i.e. the gaps between the faster and slower guys?

    There's two minutes between riders starting, and I know that they're not allowed work together but has it ever happened that riders have ended up in a group of two along the way? Or would they just get disqualified?

    Passing is normal. Drafting is not permitted. Finishing outside the time limit gets you disqualfied, in theory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,995 ✭✭✭✭blorg


    Just wondering generally what the range of times is for individual TTs like this, i.e. the gaps between the faster and slower guys?

    There's two minutes between riders starting, and I know that they're not allowed work together but has it ever happened that riders have ended up in a group of two along the way? Or would they just get disqualified?
    If you catch the guy ahead of you, you will be going substantially faster and so you overtake. The guy being overtaken must hold back and not ride in your slipstream; you must overtake within a set time period. They are the rules. I honestly can't remember anyone being disqualified for drafting in a Tour time trial although other heads may have an example... it is not generally an issue at this level (in amateur TTs it is a different matter!)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Gipo3


    Cancellara has already left, he will have a long wait for the podium.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,578 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    Irony is: wearing the yellow on the last (competitive) day and handing it over to the eventual winner (bitter)
    Irony is: not having the yellow jersey during the tour, chasing it all the time and then getting it on the final day (sweet)

    Well I can't see Andy TTing his way to victory, Cadel is a strong TTer and has reconed the course aswell, is in perfect shape and it's all between the ears now !!

    Race for White is interesting: from Dauphine TT:
    Rein Taaramae +01' 56"
    Pierre Rolland +04' 53"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭xz



    Umm, I think you'll find France is an hour AHEAD of us, or you may have meant "thats French time so its an hour earlier than our time"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    57' 15" for Cancellara. Thats 57 seconds ahead of 2nd so far.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    Thought he would have been quicker

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Thought he would have been quicker

    +1

    1;37 slower than wiggins in the Dauphine. And wiggins did it in wet conditions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    You have to take in account that they have 3 weeks of brutal racing in their legs and especially the last 2-3 days have been hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Anything interesting or exciting happened yet. TG4 have not started their coverage yet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    Cancellara is the fastest man so far. The interesting part was that the Schlecks were in the car that was following him, most likely to scout the route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    You have to take in account that they have 3 weeks of brutal racing in their legs and especially the last 2-3 days have been hard.
    It was raining heavily at one point for Cancellara's TT (so that might influence his slow time), but someone on another forum worked out the last 7km for Cancellara, he did 71.4km/h, downhill & probably with a tailwind !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭kennyb3


    AstraMonti wrote: »
    You have to take in account that they have 3 weeks of brutal racing in their legs and especially the last 2-3 days have been hard.
    yep also depends on conditions, wind etc

    If its dry it will be close - id favour andy just holding it, if its any way wet evans will win (overall) imho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 R3D_D3V1L


    weather doesnt look to good for later on, hope andy wins, if only because he's getting way to much stick that he doesnt deserve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 698 ✭✭✭nitrogen


    Anyone know of a twitter feed of today's TT?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    De Gendt putting in a great TT, 24secs ahead of both Canc & Porte at Int 2.
    / Has Hoogerland/Roy attacked yet ??!! :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Boasson Hagen and DeGendt faster than Cancellera at first time check.
    ...
    Nevermind that, Porte beats cancellera by 12 secs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭kennyb3


    Great stuff from De Gendt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    Whoa, Martin just missing that car by milimeters !!

    /Off topic but I've just discovered the Sky Player works and I can get EuroSport,
    I thought you needed a Sky Sports or Multiroom sub to get it,
    major doh! as I've been in work the last few days aghhhhh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭BQQ


    Tony Martin is starting like a train :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭kennyb3


    BQQ wrote: »
    Tony Martin is starting like a train :eek:
    Big motivation today with cancellara off form - big chance for the win now


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭AG2R


    Boassen Hagen changed bikes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Nico has just set off. Although was looking down at his feet after leaving the off ramp, didn't seem to be clipped in properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭AG2R


    Thomas and Roche are now on course woo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    I know Roche is not pushed about this but... He is not even running a disc on the rear?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭AG2R


    Martin is storming this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭AG2R


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I know Roche is not pushed about this but... He is not even running a disc on the rear?

    Looks like half a disc. Not a full disc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭blobbie


    Not bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭AG2R


    Martin 55'33. Great time.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,394 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    AG2R wrote: »
    Martin is storming this

    Excellent, he's on my velogames squad. How many Ras winners have won stages in the tour does anyone know?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    AG2R wrote: »
    Looks like half a disc. Not a full disc

    Well he is running a 80/100mm rim... why not a disc tho'


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