Tesco ardkeen worker attacked?

michellie

I heard this from a friend who was in Tesco yesterday..

A woman working on the self service checkout was helping out a foreign guy and he shouted at her not to disrespect him, dragged her to the ground and started kicking her. He ran away when people got involved to stop him.

Anyone else hear about this ? Hope they caught the scumbag. Poor woman!

ziedth

I only heard about it mentioned on another thread. Hope the poor girl is OK, I loose faith in humanity when I hear about nonsensical attacks like this.

south

michellie wrote: »

I heard this from a friend who was in Tesco yesterday..

A woman working on the self service checkout was helping out a foreign guy and he shouted at her not to disrespect him, dragged her to the ground and started kicking her. He ran away when people got involved to stop him.

Anyone else hear about this ? Hope they caught the scumbag. Poor woman!

my young niece was beside him when he kicked off. she was very shook when she got home. my sister said it was a fairly savage attack.

deisedave

Hopefully she was not hurt and will be able to return to work soon.

Minstrel27

Hopefully they catch the **** that did this. It was surely caught on CCTV

deisedave

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Hopefully they catch the **** that did this. It was surely caught on CCTV

Surely the Gardai would of caught him leaving the scene shortly afterwards.

thomasm

Is there not a security guard on a monitor right beside the self service area

decies

Put him back on the last boat !!!

darrells27

thomasm wrote: »

Is there not a security guard on a monitor right beside the self service area

there was guard on watch but u would think they
would go and help but they just stood there and watched :mad: the only people that tryed to help where the customers

darrells27

Just found out that it was a contract secutity on, the regular guy was out sick.no point hiring these guys useless bastard.

jayboi

I hope they throw the book at him! and then the chair!

eamonn3974

****ing disgraceful incident. A friend of mine was shopping at the store when the incident occured. I for one, and the bulk of my family & friends will never shop at Tesco again. This 'Company' has a duty of care to both its customers and its staff yet this unprovoked & rather savage attack only highlights Tescos ineptitude to adhere to that duty of care,..a duty I might add whose upmost adherence is required by employment law. Only for the eventual intervention of a few customers the employee could easily have been beaten to a pulp. Had the perpetratior attempted a so called 'Grab & Run' with the contents of the till I am sure things would have been different & he would not have been allowed to leave the store. Its quite clear that Tesco Ardkeen values it stock and profit above the health and safety of its employees.

dayshah

darrells27 wrote: »

Just found out that it was a contract secutity on, the regular guy was out sick.no point hiring these guys useless bastard.

Disgraceful. If the attacker had a knife or gun I'd say something for people not wanting to get involved, but he could have helped. That's the common decency shown by the customers, when it wasn't even their job.

Sully

Absolutely disgraceful. Whats the point in security if he isn't going to bother helping?

Hope she pulls through and he gets more than the book thrown at him.

Sully

eamonn3974 wrote: »

****ing disgraceful incident. A friend of mine was shopping at the store when the incident occured. I for one, and the bulk of my family & friends will never shop at Tesco again. This 'Company' has a duty of care to both its customers and its staff yet this unprovoked & rather savage attack only highlights Tescos ineptitude to adhere to that duty of care,..a duty I might add whose upmost adherence is required by employment law. Only for the eventual intervention of a few customers the employee could easily have been beaten to a pulp. Had the perpetratior attempted a so called 'Grab & Run' with the contents of the till I am sure things would have been different & he would not have been allowed to leave the store. Its quite clear that Tesco Ardkeen values it stock and profit above the health and safety of its employees.

I wouldn't blame Tesco, unless they have a policy for their security not to intervene in such problems. It would seem the Security guard messed up and not Tesco.

eamonn3974

darrells27 wrote: »

Just found out that it was a contract secutity on, the regular guy was out sick.no point hiring these guys useless bastard.

Externally hired contract security due to sickness.... I hope that waste of space security guard on duty last night is feeling really good in himself for standing by and doing nothing, Im sure he can put that on his C.V for future referance,chicken**** bastard!!!.

thomasm

darrells27 wrote: »

Just found out that it was a contract secutity on, the regular guy was out sick.no point hiring these guys useless bastard.

Hope he is ashamed of himself. Stood there fecking watching !!!!!!

charlemont

Absolute dickhead to do that the woman.

Kotek Besar

How do we know the attacker was foreign?

Winghunter

What is the city coming to,people think they can do what they want and the they can. Billy McCarthy was going on about the way these black people are treated by the people of Waterford,well Billy go and work in a shop or pub and see what way the people of Waterford are treated by these people,here's your proof, Hope the Law will do the right thing and deal with this bastard.

eamonn3974

Sully wrote: »

I wouldn't blame Tesco, unless they have a policy for their security not to intervene in such problems. It would seem the Security guard messed up and not Tesco.

Security guard is there to represent Tescos policy of the protection of customers,staff,premises and stock.Admittedly the direct responsibilty rests at the feet of the security guard but Tesco should at least have faith in the abilities of an externally hired contractor to do what he is being paid for and in all fairness the guard last night was stationed right at the doors, the one and only exit from the premises and while he done nothing, neither did any member of staff intervene.

longshanks

In which tesco did this happen?

Kotek Besar

Winghunter wrote: »

What is the city coming to,people think they can do what they want and the they can. Billy McCarthy was going on about the way these black people are treated by the people of Waterford,well Billy go and work in a shop or pub and see what way the people of Waterford are treated by these people,here's your proof, Hope the Law will do the right thing and deal with this bastard.

What? So it's "Waterford people" verses "black people" now? Are the two mutually exclusive? Was the attacker in this case black?

eamonn3974

Kotek Besar wrote: »

What? So it's "Waterford people" verses "black people" now? Are the two mutually exclusive? Was the attacker in this case black?

Yes, the attacker was colored.

Kotek Besar

eamonn3974 wrote: »

Yes, the attacker was colored.

"Colored" (sic), was he? Jesus people!

Ellie1984

michellie wrote: »

I heard this from a friend who was in Tesco yesterday..

A woman working on the self service checkout was helping out a foreign guy and he shouted at her not to disrespect him, dragged her to the ground and started kicking her. He ran away when people got involved to stop him.

Anyone else hear about this ? Hope they caught the scumbag. Poor woman!

Yea, we were just ahead of him in the self service so we didn't actually realise that the argument was gonna go on. What we saw was a "middle-eastern/indian" looking guy that was shouting at the check out girl because he wanted to use the toilets but the toilets upstairs were closed and he was asked to use the ones in the petrol station. They were at the "get me your manager"-"i'm sorry there is no manager on duty right now" stage when we left...

Kotek Besar

Ellie1984 wrote: »

Yea, we were just ahead of him in the self service so we didn't actually realise that the argument was gonna go on. What we saw was a "middle-eastern/indian" looking guy that was shouting at the check out girl because he wanted to use the toilets but the toilets upstairs were closed and he was asked to use the ones in the petrol station. They were at the "get me your manager"-"i'm sorry there is no manager on duty right now" stage when we left...

I wonder if that was the same incident as this one though. This incident is alleged to involve a black customer and the Tesco staff member was "helping him out" (as per OP).

bucketybuck

eamonn3974 wrote: »

****ing disgraceful incident. A friend of mine was shopping at the store when the incident occured. I for one, and the bulk of my family & friends will never shop at Tesco again. This 'Company' has a duty of care to both its customers and its staff yet this unprovoked & rather savage attack only highlights Tescos ineptitude to adhere to that duty of care,..a duty I might add whose upmost adherence is required by employment law. Only for the eventual intervention of a few customers the employee could easily have been beaten to a pulp. Had the perpetratior attempted a so called 'Grab & Run' with the contents of the till I am sure things would have been different & he would not have been allowed to leave the store. Its quite clear that Tesco Ardkeen values it stock and profit above the health and safety of its employees.

Knee jerk rubbish always amuses me.

So because one asshole acts like an asshole, its all Tescos fault? A duty of care? Just what standard are Tesco meant to meet to stop random crazies flipping their lid? Should they only allow one person in a store at a time, just in case he happens to be an arsehole who might hit somebody.

Blaming the security guard is misguided here for two reasons.
One, was he actually near the incident or further away? For all you know he could have rushed to the scene the minute he heard a disturbance.
Two, store security guards are not the police, they actually dont have the authority to do anything. He can still step in, but so could every other man in the store, so if blame is to thrown everywhere, you also have to blame all the male staff and male customers.

Simple fact is the blame goes to only one person, to the asshole who attacked the woman, not to Tesco, not to the security guard, and not to anybody else your kneejerk frothing decides didnt do enough.

stephendevlin

Sully wrote: »

I wouldn't blame Tesco, unless they have a policy for their security not to intervene in such problems. It would seem the Security guard messed up and not Tesco.

Agreed and he was outsourced

getz

eamonn3974 wrote: »

Yes, the attacker was colored.

was he american colored or was he english coloured

jonnyfingers

Just to add that I was told by friends of mine both working in shops, and some working in security, that legally security are not allowed detain, or subdue any thief or anyone else causing trouble. If they tackle someone trying to leave the store they are criminally liable for any injury caused. They are really just there to act as a deterrent it seems.

But still if you see someone getting their head kicked in you'd imagine they'd at least do something, liability or not.

Kotek Besar

The incident as described in this thread is appalling, shocking and downright unbelievable. I cannot begin to imagine how the Tesco staff member is feeling.

Racial profiling in the way it has been in this thread is not on and hopefully a mod will come along shortly to fix a few posts. I'm shocked by some of the racist remarks that have been made. Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush.

eamonn3974

bucketybuck wrote: »

Knee jerk rubbish always amuses me.

So because one asshole acts like an asshole, its all Tescos fault? A duty of care? Just what standard are Tesco meant to meet to stop random crazies flipping their lid? Should they only allow one person in a store at a time, just in case he happens to be an arsehole who might hit somebody.

Blaming the security guard is misguided here for two reasons.
One, was he actually near the incident or further away? For all you know he could have rushed to the scene the minute he heard a disturbance.
Two, store security guards are not the police, they actually dont have the authority to do anything. He can still step in, but so could every other man in the store, so if blame is to thrown everywhere, you also have to blame all the male staff and male customers.

Simple fact is the blame goes to only one person, to the asshole who attacked the woman, not to Tesco, not to the security guard, and not to anybody else your kneejerk frothing decides didnt do enough.

As I pointed out there is only one exit to the shop and this is where the externally hired guard was stationed at the time of the incident. Regarding blame I admit that only the perpetratior is to blame for his actions but this event was witnessed by a large amount of people including staff so the guard should have intervened rather than other customers having to come to the employees aid. Regarding what Tesco could do to prevent such incidents, install under the counter 'panic buttons' to call over the security for assistance in the event of an attack rather than the staff having to physically leave their station and seek assistance and having more than one guard on duty to facilitate this process would also be benificial but yet again Tesco wont pay for two guards.Although the guard is not able to physically detain or restrain anybody he should have at least been the one to intervene rather than customers having to do it. Regarding race,I dont think it important, any man whether black,white,asian or eastern who raises his hand in force to a woman is nothing but a bully and should be strung up..regardless of color, race or creed.

MitchKoobski

Christ lads it doesn't matter if he was black, white or mahogany pink.

The worker was attacked by some prick and I hope they find him.

michellie

Sorry could only get back to this thread. I was just told he was foreign. I don't know his nationality. Poor woman, it must have been terrifying for her, I can only imagine it would be so hard to go back to work there after that incident!

I had a polish man freak out on me in work about 3 weeks ago, he went ape **** in the waiting area, I was genuinely frightened of him and just relieved there was a window between us, and no one in the waiting area. He went out to the car park then and hammered down on the horn in his car after I threatened to have him removed. Lunatic.

Sully

Worth noting that there are plenty of crimes committed, similar to this, by Waterford natives and white people. So lets not go around making stupid sweeping remarks on a whole group of people. You get bad eggs in every colour, race or nation.

rasper

we definitely dont need a pscho like that here, hope he gets 6 months or whatever and is deported straight from the gates of the Joy, no doubts hes a dickhead in his own country too and his type encourages racial tension , so for the good of everyone lets send him home

Kotek Besar

rasper wrote: »

we definitely dont need a pscho like that here, hope he gets 6 months or whatever and is deported straight from the gates of the Joy, no doubts hes a dickhead in his own country too and his type encourages racial tension , so for the good of everyone lets send him home

What if he's Irish?

Ostrom

Winghunter wrote: »

What is the city coming to,people think they can do what they want and the they can. Billy McCarthy was going on about the way these black people are treated by the people of Waterford,well Billy go and work in a shop or pub and see what way the people of Waterford are treated by these people,here's your proof, Hope the Law will do the right thing and deal with this bastard.

Great standard of evidence.

Of my five years in hospitality I've seen far more trouble from drunk locals than any others.

PandyAndy

Hope the scumbag gets caught. Strange how no one intervened...

wmpdd3

Ellie1984 wrote: »

Yea, we were just ahead of him in the self service so we didn't actually realise that the argument was gonna go on. What we saw was a "middle-eastern/indian" looking guy that was shouting at the check out girl because he wanted to use the toilets but the toilets upstairs were closed and he was asked to use the ones in the petrol station. They were at the "get me your manager"-"i'm sorry there is no manager on duty right now" stage when we left...

(there were many managers on duty and they were making their way to him as soon as possible)

No that was a different 'gentleman', he was a Pediatrician from the hospital, I could hear him complaining to the the basket till operator as I bought my groceries. He was informing her of the 'law' that states you must have a toilet if the doors are open(the cafe was closed) and how very distressing it is to not be able to use the toilet.

My heart goes out to the check out operator, its a very hard job looking after 8 customers at a time, with out something like that happening.

eamonn3974

efla wrote: »

Great standard of evidence.

Of my five years in hospitality I've seen far more trouble from drunk locals than any others.

Race doesnt matter. Black or white the guy is just some over the top bully who needs a good taste of his own medicine. Hope the Cops get this one and send him away for the benifit of all.

ziedth

I think the racial profile of the guy isn't relevant in the grand scheme of things. Scumbags who do things like this aren't human in my eyes so if he black/polish/white/Spanish isn't the point.

Fair play to anyone who tried to help the poor girl.

michellie

PandyAndy wrote: »

Hope the scumbag gets caught. Strange how no one intervened...

They did. He ran off.

Master and commander

darrells27 wrote: »

Just found out that it was a contract secutity on, the regular guy was out sick.no point hiring these guys useless bastard.

security staff are instructed in many cases not to intervene in things like this. Their job is to prevent theft. Also id they intervened they could end up agrevating the perp who could become more agressive. Who knows, he could have a syringe or a gun for all they know. Also if he gets away and the victim is injured, the could potentially file a claim against the security company that either they contributed to the injury or caused it by aggrevating the foreigner. They could be liable.

dayshah

bucketybuck wrote: »

Two, store security guards are not the police, they actually dont have the authority to do anything. He can still step in, but so could every other man in the store, so if blame is to thrown everywhere, you also have to blame all the male staff and male customers.

But the customers did intervene, not the guy you would have thought would intervene.

But you are right that its the attacker who is to blame.

PTH2009

Its scary when you think about it. thats somebodys Daugher/Wife/Girlfriend/Sister/mother that was attacked so brutally.

laughter189

Can a security man not even intervene in a non-agressive manner , and ask the perpertrator to stop and leave the premises ?

Master and commander

eamonn3974 wrote: »

he should have at least been the one to intervene rather than customers having to do it.

the securioty companies insurance wouldn't cover it if the woman was injured, so there's nothing he could do.
Sure while a decent joe publics mindset may be to help someone in trouble, that all chnges when you are in a business situation where liablity and insurance are issues you have to deal with. Its not worth the risk to intervene.

GF's bro was in security and he was told just to stand and look tough. If he suspected theft he could question but not apprehend or detain. If he did and they(shoplifter) fell over or something, his company could be held liable for damages. He was under instructions not to intervene in any disturbances unless he was attacked and acted purely in self defence. He told me he had to stand at the door of penny's WD, and watch teen knackers kick the teeth out of a girl with a baby on the ground. Under his contract and instructions, there was nothing he could do. the girl could have claimed for damages if he did get involved.

Kotek Besar

Master and commander wrote: »

security staff are instructed in many cases not to intervene in things like this. Their job is to prevent theft. Also id they intervened they could end up agrevating the perp who could become more agressive. Who knows, he could have a syringe or a gun for all they know. Also if he gets away and the victim is injured, the could potentially file a claim against the security company that either they contributed to the injury or caused it by aggrevating the foreigner. They could be liable.

I think this is a very valid point. If the security guard's job is to prevent theft, not the welfare of staff, then perhaps he is indeed under instruction not to intervene in cases such as these - for the very reasons stated in the post above.

Notwithstanding also that, potentially, this could have left opportunist criminals free to loot while the security guard was busy not doing his job.

Master and commander

laughter189 wrote: »

Can a security man not even intervene in a non-agressive manner , and ask the perpertrator to stop and leave the premises ?

no because thats still intervening and even talking to a perb could enrage them further and the sec co. could be held liable for the consequences of same.