Irishman who lived in Thailand while claiming sent down for 12 years

mike65

I sort of admire his sheer cheek. It'll be sore cheeks soon

http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/news/man-jailed-for-12-years-for-welfare-fraud/

A man has been jailed for 12 years for an “audacious and breath-taking” social welfare fraud.

63-year-old Paul Murray of no fixed abode claimed €248,000 under nine different names while he was living in Thailand.

He returned to Ireland every 3 months to claim jobseeker’s allowance.

He also fraudulently claimed disability and supplementary welfare allowances in a number of border and midland counties.

Murray had used a number of different aliases and various false documents to make the claims.

He was caught out when his brother who lived in Australia innocently applied for a passport which Murray had already taken out in his name thereby tipping off passport officials who then contacted the Department of Social Protection.

Murray had served time in the UK in 1994 for similar offences there when he claimed a total of stg£30,000.

and points for air-miles thrown in I suppose.

Sykk

There are hundreds, if not thousands more like him.. Make no mistake about it.

Mena

Damn foreigners ripping us of!

wild_cat

Sykk wrote: »

There are hundreds, if not thousands more like him.. Make no mistake about it.

Do people not have to sign on every week?

cosmicfart

its people like this that give the other bums on the dole a bad name

Jarren

every month but they can get someone else to do it

Chuck Stone

Someone will probably collect his dole while he's inside.

Biggins

Sykk wrote: »

There are hundreds, if not thousands more like him.. Make no mistake about it.

Aye, one of many I suspect and a lot of them will be home grown too.

Naikon

Tip of the iceberg tbh.

mikemac

12 years is a huge sentance

You could kill a man, get convicted of manslaughter and get less then that

twinQuins

Are they sure it wasn't a Nigerian disguised as an Irishman?

delta_bravo

mikemac wrote: »

12 years is a huge sentance

You could kill a man, get convicted of manslaughter and get less then that

Good to see a judge punishing criminals for a change

Rented Mule

twinQuins wrote: »

Are they sure it wasn't a Nigerian disguised as an Irishman?

He'd still be free if that were the case.

sollar

That's a proper sentence... a few more of them and that will tighten things up.

figarofigaro

It goes to show you how messed up this country is when the poor and downtrodden have to sign on with the social under 9 identities just to get by.

Eve_Dublin

twinQuins wrote: »

Are they sure it wasn't a Nigerian disguised as an Irishman?

Sykk

wild_cat wrote: »

Do people not have to sign on every week?

Nope, they don't. Depending on how long you're on it you can sign on from monthly to every 3 months.. Not 100%.. But I know people who do it monthly and every 2 months.

Sunnyisland

[QUOTE=cosmicfart;73415590]its people like this that give the other bums on the dole a bad name[/QUOTE]


I suppose you wont collect your dole if you are unfortunate enough to lose your job.

sollar

He treated himself to holidays all over the world..... now he gets to enjoy 12 years of B & B in an Irish prison

Biggins

sollar wrote: »

He treated himself to holidays all over the world..... now he gets to enjoy 12 years of B & B in an Irish prison

...And we are still paying for it!

mikemac

mike65 wrote: »

http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/news/man-jailed-for-12-years-for-welfare-fraud/

Ah Newstalk, he was convicted in Mullingar and you show a photo of the courts in Dublin.
Lazy tbh, RTÉ didn't do that

And yes, I'm kind of fussy for pointing this out

sollar

Biggins wrote: »

...And we are still paying for it!

A few more sentences like that and it should save us all money in the long run.

Lapin

12 years is a bit steep.

How long did Ivor Callely get ?

Biggins

sollar wrote: »

A few more sentences like that and it should save us all money in the long run.

Maybe - I dunno (honestly).
Does it act and be effective as a deterrent?

amacachi

Idiot, why didn't he just bite a baby instead?



Two things though, claiming under 9 different names and getting 250k seems a bit odd unless it very short term and 12 years for a non-violent theft seems a bit on the harsh side to me compared to everything else that goes on.

twinQuins

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Poking fun at how such threads usually bring out the usual plebs with "was probably a Nigerian" and other such comments.

StupidLikeAFox

And he was only two years from retirement....

Seriously though, 12 years is a bit harsh

Sticky_Fingers

Biggins wrote: »

Maybe - I dunno (honestly).
Does it act and be effective as a deterrent?

I would say that this case will just give some fellas the idea, he managed to scam the system for 12 years and it was just dumb luck that he was caught.

Still I hope he enjoys being his cellmates ladyboy for the next couple of years, he deserves it.

mikemac

Judge Anthony Kennedy of Mullingar Circuit Court

65 travellers rioted in Mullingar in 1998 and not one of them served time
Read out all their sentances and then at the end announced they were suspended, seems he was playing games with them by waiting until the end.

Defendants had to wait until Judge Kennedy had read through all 65 sentences before he stated that all were suspended, at which time there was an audible gasp of relief from the defendants standing at the back of the court room.

And another one

Egidijus Peciulis (30), from Joncua, Lithuania, Gytis Zienius (35) and Ovidijus Rumba (30), both from Kaunas, Lithuania,admitted robbing almost €94,000 in rings from Angela Blacoe Jewellers in Athlone on March 6th, 2010

He imposed five-year prison sentences on the trio backdated to March 10th. The remainder of the sentences was suspended on condition they return to Lithuania and stay out of Ireland for 10 years.

They served about 11 months and were told to leave the country


And this 63 year old man is engaged in fraud and gets 12 years?

Wildly inconsistent and I know every case is different.

Mr. Denton

ColHol wrote: »

And he was only two years from retirement....

Seriously though, 12 years is a bit harsh

No it wasn't. Hope he enjoys playing sucky sucky 5-dorrah on the inside.

Dangerous Man

Ridiculous sentence. Every judge in Ireland should be raped.

Mr. Denton

mikemac wrote: »

Judge Anthony Kennedy of Mullingar Circuit Court

65 travellers rioted in Mullingar in 1998 and not one of them served time
Read out all their sentances and then at the end announced they were suspended, seems he was playing games with them by waiting until the end.

Travelers are already serving a life-sentence in that they were born Travelers.

maxxie

The poor fella just trying to get by!

mackg

If he likes Thailand that much maybe he could he serve his sentence out there. Fcuking leech.

SEPT 23 1989

So you get 12 years for fraud and 24 years with 18 years suspended when you torture your children

What a strange place we live in

amacachi

One really wonders what point there is in having laws when judges seem to be allowed do whatever the hell they want.

Lapin

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Ridiculous sentence. Every judge in Ireland should be raped.

Jeeeesus.:eek:

I hope you don't live up to your user name.

sherdydan

So if I was to gauge how bad a crime was by how large of a sentence is given for it, fraud is very very bad, but kiddy fiddling and murder is not the worst?

I rarely complain about this country but fúck does the legislative system need to be fixed, and judges given a massive kick up the hole

IngazZagni

I'm betting he'll get an early release. For those saying that this is a harsh sentence. BS! It's quite fair. The problem is that the vast majority of sentences are far too short. So in comparison it seems harsh. Lets hope sentences like this become the norm and not the exception.
One thing is clear in Ireland. The legal profession has a dangerous amount of power and that needs to change!

Biggins

sherdydan wrote: »

...judges given a massive kick up the hole

Ya kinky devil ya! :pac:

Dangerous Man

Lapin wrote: »

Jeeeesus.:eek:

I hope you don't live up to your user name.

I'm sorry. There's just a lot of it around lately.

ejmaztec

ColHol wrote: »

And he was only two years from retirement....

Seriously though, 12 years is a bit harsh

I bet he was looking forward to those 9 pensions.:(

mightyreds

he is just gonna appeal it then he'll get his suspended sentence and a fine maybe same as most cases in this country but in all fairness 9 different names, you dont need that to get by in thailand my cousin lives out there on the pension (totally legal) and told me he saves money every week too

Monty Burnz

So he got a quarter of a million euros from our crowd, but was caught after taking only 30k sterling from the UK?

What does that tell us about how good our IT systems and PS staff are, compared to those in the UK nearly 20 years ago?

Monty Burnz

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So you get 12 years for fraud and 24 years with 18 years suspended when you torture your children

What a strange place we live in

Yes, but only one of those sentences is seriously out of whack. How many lilfe-saving operations, special needs teachers etc. could the fraudster's money have bought?

Biggins

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So he got a quarter of a million euros from our crowd, but was caught after taking only 30k sterling from the UK?

What does that tell us about how good our IT systems and PS staff are, compared to those in the UK nearly 20 years ago?

Well according to a report I came across a while back, Eircom (once a state company) is supposed to be at least 15 years behind in some areas so this does not surprise me.

krudler

note to self, when caught committing fraud, make sure to kill a few people as well to get reduced sentence.

Sunnyisland

I do wonder what S fitzpatrick & his ilk will get, Any guesses ?

SEPT 23 1989

realies wrote: »

I do wonder what S fitzpatrick & his ilk will get, Any guesses ?

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Monty Burnz

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

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TL; DR

CorkMan

I wonder if he got an apartment/house over in Thailand out of the money, and whether it is still his property?