Garda PULSE Record (Megamerge)

noddyflavin

I been arrested a few times over the years for being drunk n disorderly. Where do I go to see the arrest records in Dublin. I'm ****ing off to Oz and want to have all this nonsense straightened out...

Zambia

What do you mean by straightened out?

FreudianSlippers

You can't just walk in and see your Pulse record, you'd need to file for access under Section 4 of the Data Protection Act which can be refused in certain circumstances.

I don't think going in and seeing it will get anything "straightened out" - what exactly do you think is going to happen when you see your record?

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noddyflavin wrote: »

I been arrested a few times over the years for being drunk n disorderly. Where do I go to see the arrest records in Dublin. I'm ****ing off to Oz and want to have all this nonsense straightened out...

You need to get a police certificate of character in order to get your visa, This will tell the Australian authorities if you've been in trouble before, they then decide whether or not to leave you into their country based on that.

Judging by your last sentence it would seem that you've not learned anything from your experiences.

noddyflavin

Cheers Hippies!...

Zambia

Take my advice go to SydneY.

lake.enforce

I want to see whats on my pulse record. I went to the local barrack and I talked to the garda at the hatch and he said that I dont have a right to know whats on it just for the sake of it, that there has to be a very legit reason, like wanting it for applying for a job.

I insisted that I should be able to see it, and he did seem like a decent enough lad, he told me if I write a letter to the Superintendent and if I "word it right" then he'll probably let me see it.

My question is, what do I put in this letter?

FreudianSlippers

You need to apply under Section 4 of the Data Protection Act which can be refused in certain circumstances.

A letter to the Super isn't going to change much.

ger vallely

What is a pulse record? Does everyone have one? Sorry for basic question,only I never heard of it before. Thanks.

lake.enforce

So your saying its not the superintendent I should be writing to? If so, who is it I need to contact?

MagicSean

ger vallely wrote: »

What is a pulse record? Does everyone have one? Sorry for basic question,only I never heard of it before. Thanks.

Garda computer record.

lake.enforce wrote: »

So your saying its not the superintendent I should be writing to? If so, who is it I need to contact?

This site should help you

http://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=%2Fdocuments%2Fabout%2FAboutUs.htm&CatID=1&m=a

You have to specify what you want to see. You can't just say everything on pulse afaik.

lake.enforce

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

You have to specify what you want to see. You can't just say everything on pulse afaik.

Thats annoying. Because I dont actually know what Im looking for.

Well heres my situation. I was asked would I be a character reference for a chap. I said yes I would. A few weeks later the gards called the chap back and said Im not a suitable reference. He asked why, the garda then suggested/hinted that with my record I couldnt be trusted and advised him to get someone a bit more respectable (all off record of course)

Having never being in court or in any real trouble**, Im a little bit pissed off as to why Im so "untrustworthy".




**Being stopped and searched for a drugs a ridiculous amount of times when I was younger, but not being a drug addict I never had anything. And either did the other chap I hung around with at the time. But they constantly took our details, so thats my only theory on what could be causing this problem.... but then again, that was a few years ago. And since I never had any drugs on me I dont understand how it could be that- but thats all I can think of, even if it is a bit far fetched.


BTW: Thanks for the help

Finnbar01

lake.enforce wrote: »

**Being stopped and searched for a drugs a ridiculous amount of times when I was younger, but not being a drug addict I never had anything. And either did the other chap I hung around with at the time. But they constantly took our details, so thats my only theory on what could be causing this problem.... but then again, that was a few years ago. And since I never had any drugs on me I dont understand how it could be that- but thats all I can think of, even if it is a bit far fetched.


BTW: Thanks for the help

Ha! I had similar concerns about this a while back and it doesn't seem a bit far fetched at all. It's the typical gombeenism that still prevails in Irish society - where there's smoke there's fire. The whole notion of innocent until proven guilty doesn't seem to be the standard anymore.

Here's a thread I opened about PULSE records a good while back.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055944073

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lake.enforce wrote: »

Thats annoying. Because I dont actually know what Im looking for.

Well heres my situation. I was asked would I be a character reference for a chap. I said yes I would. A few weeks later the gards called the chap back and said Im not a suitable reference. He asked why, the garda then suggested/hinted that with my record I couldnt be trusted and advised him to get someone a bit more respectable (all off record of course)

Having never being in court or in any real trouble**, Im a little bit pissed off as to why Im so "untrustworthy".




**Being stopped and searched for a drugs a ridiculous amount of times when I was younger, but not being a drug addict I never had anything. And either did the other chap I hung around with at the time. But they constantly took our details, so thats my only theory on what could be causing this problem.... but then again, that was a few years ago. And since I never had any drugs on me I dont understand how it could be that- but thats all I can think of, even if it is a bit far fetched.


BTW: Thanks for the help

Would you mind if I ask what the character reference was for?

Finnbar01

foinse wrote: »

Would you mind if I ask what the character reference was for?

I all fairness like, I don't see why this is a relevant question.

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Finnbar01 wrote: »

foinse wrote: »

Would you mind if I ask what the character reference was for?

I all fairness like, I don't see why this is a relevant question.

If it was for membership of AGS or AGS reserve then having a reference who has been searched for drugs....no matter what the result.....will hinder that application, and is probably why the ops friend was asked on the qt for an alternative reference.

johntom

If you commit an offence but were never arrested, charged or convicted but the garda took your name and address, will this show up on pulse say for example when us immigration run a name check?

Zambia

So your question is when US or other Immigration depts request details on you what do they get given.

Considering you can go to the garda and ask for a immigration check yourself chances are that's what other migration departments get.

Legally the garda cannot tell migration departments or anyone that on some night in some street your name was taken for some event they have not laid charges for.

I am pretty sure the Gardai dont just print out all data from pulse and lash it out.

johntom

Thanks for the reply. Its just there seems to be conflicting reports on whether or not immigration officials have direct access to pulse. Also I don't understand how a guard can enter details of an event into pulse without then issuing a summons

Zambia

A bit like a car sales person can enter your details into a spreadsheet when you have not brought a car.

johntom

So if immigration authorities do have access to pulse, then a persons name can just be typed in and any "events" could be held against them even though there was no arrest, charge or conviction?

Zambia

Yes but that's just not the case The Gardai have access to Pulse end of story.

Zambia

johntom wrote: »

So if immigration authorities do have access to pulse, then a persons name can just be typed in and any "events" could be held against them even though there was no arrest, charge or conviction?

So in short they (non irish immgration) dont.

johntom

Ya i read the EU-US PNR agreement but thought it was a bit vague on this issue

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The only organisation that has access to pulse is AGS. if you're looking for a visa, you will have to request a police clearance certificate from your local Garda District HQ. This will contain all the information the immigration officials will require.

You pick this up from the station and submit it yourself to the immigration authorities of whatever country you're going to. So you will see what is on the cert before you send it in.

johntom

I was just wondering what they can see if you were going to america on a tourist (esta) visa

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johntom wrote: »

I was just wondering what they can see if you were going to america on a tourist (esta) visa

The US immigration service do not have any access to pulse. The only organisation who do is AGS. Any stories to the contrary are urban myths.

FreudianSlippers

johntom wrote: »

I was just wondering what they can see if you were going to america on a tourist (esta) visa

Just FYI as well, ESTA is not a visa... in fact it's purpose is exactly the opposite of a visa.

ESTA is simply a pre-authorisation (or denial as the case may be) of your eligibility to participate in the Visa Waiver Program. You can be approved on ESTA but still denied entry to the USA.
By its very nature, the ESTA/VWP means you are not getting a visa at all.

Our man in Havana

johntom wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. Its just there seems to be conflicting reports on whether or not immigration officials have direct access to pulse. Also I don't understand how a guard can enter details of an event into pulse without then issuing a summons

They do not have access to PULSE.

They rely on Interpol and admissions made during the immigration check.

johntom

How do ye know this for sure? I seen a case just by typing keywords into google about a politician who was turned away back in 2005 and it clearly states "after us immigration officials checked pulse". Is there an explanation for this?

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johntom wrote: »

How do ye know this for sure? I seen a case just by typing keywords into google about a politician who was turned away back in 2005 and it clearly states "after us immigration officials checked pulse". Is there an explanation for this?

YES!!!! I'm sure, i'm a member of AGS, thats how i know. Don't believe everything you read on news sites.

Also could you post a link to the article?

johntom

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cwcwqlcwojkf/

Seeing as you're a member of AGS was just wondering what the procedure is if ur details are taken by a guard for an offence but never get a summons does this count as a let off or will it have been logged?

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johntom wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cwcwqlcwojkf/

Seeing as you're a member of AGS was just wondering what the procedure is if ur details are taken by a guard for an offence but never get a summons does this count as a let off or will it have been logged?

You're reading your own meaning into what is said in that article. Usually a new paragraph in an article like that means a new point or topic is being raised. As I said before, this may have appeared on a police clearance certificate or been shared through interpol.

Re the above, It depends on the member, If he took your name and details he may have put your name on the system, or he may not. It depends on too many factors to be able to give you a definitive answer without asking for your details and checking. Which I'm not going to do by the way.

I already told you what to do, if you need to you can get a police clearance certificate, but since you're not going for a visa you don't need it.

What did you do that you're so worried????

johntom

It was nothin major, I was only 18 at the time and it was 8 years ago. i wasn't arrested, charged or convicted. i'd say the guard knew he gave me a good scare so it prob isn't even on the system. surely if he put it up on the system then i would have got a summons? its just that if the us immigration did have access to pulse it might come up and look like i had lied on the form, not sure how they define arrest. is it just if you have committed a crime and been caught?
There is more than just that article above which says the same thing by the way

Our man in Havana

For the 100th time, US immigration do not have access to PULSE.

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johntom wrote: »

It was nothin major, I was only 18 at the time and it was 8 years ago. i wasn't arrested, charged or convicted. i'd say the guard knew he gave me a good scare so it prob isn't even on the system. surely if he put it up on the system then i would have got a summons? its just that if the us immigration did have access to pulse it might come up and look like i had lied on the form, not sure how they define arrest. is it just if you have committed a crime and been caught?
There is more than just that article above which says the same thing by the way

I give up, OP if you want to believe a lazy journo over legal professionals on this point then go ahead. You've been given advice on this thread and you are choosing not to believe what EVERYBODY is telling you.

So with that in mind, I'll just tell you what you want to hear and we can all get on with our lives:

OP you'll never get into the USA because a Garda took your details a number of years ago. AGS send that kind of information straight to the US Immigration service, along with a copy of the pulse system and all of our usernames and passwords for the pulse system, So they can read whatever they want.

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johntom

ok fair enough, you made your point. I was just intrigued by how the whole system worked. The whole name taking but no summons thing, i was just wondering, thats all. Just seemed like a break from protocol, maybe i'm wrong but i didn't think this was how the system worked. I apologise for asking

FreudianSlippers

Our man in Havana wrote: »

For the 100th time, US immigration do not have access to PULSE.

So, wait... they do or don't have access to pulse?












Shouldn't have read the Freeman thread first... now I'm in a silly humour.

Finnbar01

I think the OP is on about the Mcbearty's? AFAIK, he was turned away when they realised he had an assualt charge against him. The charge was dropped but they (gardaí) forgot to update their records.

He got it sorted out in the end.

May I go off topic for a moment. But when the people of Moneygall were vetted, didn't the US authorities hace access to that info?

noddyflavin

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johntom

Does anyone have an opinion on Finnbar01's comment?

Our man in Havana

Mcbearty was well known. He encountered trouble when he disclosed to US immigration the existance of the assault charge. More than likely he ticked yes to the "Have you ever been arrested" box. That opened the door to all his troubles.

They did not get this information themselves. Once the admission was made US immigration made enquires of the Gardaí.

johntom

Good point, thanks for that. I also found this article which seems to suggest that irish immigration have access to pulse and they can then pass this information onto the us

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcbreartys-allowed-travel-to-the-us-after-intervention-237460.html

MagicSean

johntom wrote: »

Good point, thanks for that. I also found this article which seems to suggest that irish immigration have access to pulse and they can then pass this information onto the us

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcbreartys-allowed-travel-to-the-us-after-intervention-237460.html

Irish immigration is a section of the Gardaí so it would make sense that they have access to pulse.

johntom

Us immigration can quite easily get information from pulse so

MagicSean

johntom wrote: »

Us immigration can quite easily get information from pulse so

The Garda National Immigration Bureau is a section of the Gardaí. It has no connection to US Immigration. US Immigration has no access to pulse. They can in certain cases get a copy of a record (i.e. with consent) but they do not have access.

johntom

Thank you for clearing that up. Would the copy of a record be similar to the garda vetting i.e just showing up prosecutions and convictions?

Our man in Havana

Nope. Pulse has everything.

johntom

Surely its not legal for the gardai to share information other than arrests and convictions?

MagicSean

johntom wrote: »

Surely its not legal for the gardai to share information other than arrests and convictions?

If you give them permission to access your records it is.

johntom

ok thanks.