Pan Am [ABC - SPOILERS]

JP Liz V1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oVdLIvcNRE

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mike-vogel-replaces-jonah-lotam-212267

Some reshuffling is taking place at ABC's new fall drama Pan Am.
Blue Valentine actor Mike Vogel has joined the 1960s-set series as male lead character Dean, The Hollywood Reporter confirms. Vogel is replacing Generation Kill actor Jonah Lotan, who played the role in the pilot.
The Sony TV-produced Pan Am, set to premiere on Sundays in the post-Desperate Housewives time slot, revolves around a group of pilots and flight attendants for Pan Am Airlines. Dean is tapped to serve as captain on Pan Am's newest plane, the Majestic, and is living his boyhood dream of being a pilot.
Created by Jack Orman, Pan Am premieres Sunday, Sept. 25 at 10 p.m. and also stars Christina Ricci, Kelli Garner, Margot Robbie, Karine Vanasse and Michael Mosley.

DeWitt

I can tell already, I'm going to love this.
I love how they're selling with Golden Globe Nominee Christina Ricci yet she's barely even in this trailer.

JONJO THE MISER

I like the sound of this.

Richard Dower

To air on the Beeb: http://www.digitalspy.ie/ustv/s165/pan-am/news/a332056/pan-am-to-air-on-bbc-two-in-the-uk.html

New US drama Pan Am will air on BBC Two in the UK.

The channel has picked up the UK rights to the series, which focuses on the employees of the Pan Am airline in the 1960s, Broadcast reports.

Pan Am, which will premiere in the US in September, features a cast including Christina Ricci, Mike Vogel and Kelli Garner.

The BBC's head of acquisition Sue Deeks claimed that the show is a "breath of fresh air".

She also described the series as a "colourful and stylish drama set in a captivating era that changed the world".

BBC Two's controller Janice Hadlow added: "With a love story at its heart and a great unfolding plot that hints at the danger and mystery to come, viewers will be in for an exciting but turbulent ride."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81AdhD4G7w

youngblood

I really like the sound of this, so when/what will be the first big air disaster?

When ER did em, the did em v well!!

Richard Dower

Sparty's Erin Cummings joins Pan Am: http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/09/02/erin-cummings/

Passion, adventure and espionage… They experienced it all – and they experienced it at 30,000 feet. The style of the 1960s, the energy and excitement of the Jet Age and a drama full of sexy entanglements deliciously mesh in the highly anticipated new series, “Pan Am,” premiering SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 25 (10:01-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.


Welcome to the Jet Age. It’s 1963. WWII and Korea are history. A new kind of war, a Cold War, is underway. The world is poised on the brink of a cultural revolution, and everywhere change is in the air. In this modern world, air travel represents the height of luxury, and Pan Am is the biggest name in the business. The planes are sleek and glamorous, the pilots are rock stars, and the stewardesses are the most desirable women in the world. Not only are these flyboys and girls young and good looking, but to represent Pan Am they also have to be educated, cultured and refined. They’re trained to handle everything from in-air emergencies to unwanted advances – all without rumpling their pristine uniforms or mussing their hair. These pre-feminist women form a powerful sisterhood, as they enjoy the rare opportunity to travel outside the country -- something most women in this age can only aspire to – and one of the few career options that offers them empowerment and respect.


At Pan Am there’s Dean (Mike Vogel), a cocky, charismatic and ambitious new pilot – the first of a new breed not trained in war. A farm boy from a small rural town, Dean finds himself thrust into a leadership position at Pan Am far too young, but is eager to prove himself as the new face of the airline. On the sly, he’s dating Bridget (guest star Annabelle Wallis), a beauty with a mysterious past. Co-pilot Ted (Michael Mosley) comes from wealth and privilege, but his powerful family is a blessing and a curse, and he has his own dark secrets. A rebellious bohemian, Maggie (Christina Ricci) turns into a buttoned up professional for work in order to see the world, trying to balance her hunger for life with her undefined ambitions. Also on this crew is flirtatious French stewardess Colette (Karine Vanasse), who is the empathetic caretaker of the group. And finally there are the Sisters, the spirited Kate (Kelli Garner) and her beauty queen younger sister, Laura (Margot Robbie), a runaway bride who recently fled a life of domestic boredom to take to the skies.


In the premiere episode, “Pilot,” Dean takes on his first assignment since his promotion, piloting the Clipper Majestic on its inaugural New York to London flight. Bridget is supposed to be his lead stewardess, until she’s a no-show for the flight. Grounded purser Maggie is called in to fill in for her. On the same fateful flight, Kate adds another dimension to her work as she takes on her first assignment from U.S. intelligence. Her stress is compounded when she discovers that newly minted stewardess, Laura, her sister, is also working the same flight.
“Pan Am” stars Christina Ricci (“Penelope”) as Maggie, Margot Robbie (“Neighbours”) as Laura, Michael Mosley (“Justified”) as Ted, Mike Vogel (“The Help,” “Blue Valentine”) as Dean, Karine Vanasse (“Polytechnique”) as Colette, and Kelli Garner (“Going the Distance”) as Kate.


Guest starring are David Harbour as Sabel/Anderson, Jeremy Davidson as Handsome Stranger/Richard, Annabelle Wallis as Bridget Pierce, Will Chase as John, Veanne Cox as Miss Havemeyer, C.J. Wilson as Howard, Kate Jennings Grant as Judith and Hope Allen as Evelyn.
Series creator Jack Orman (“ER,” “Men of a Certain Age,”), Thomas Schlamme (“The West Wing,” “Parenthood,” “Mr. Sunshine”) and Nancy Hult Ganis (“Akeelah and the Bee”) are executive producers. Orman also wrote the pilot, with Schlamme directing. “Pan Am” is produced by Jack Orman Productions, Out of the Blue Entertainment and Shoe Money Productions in association with Sony Pictures Television.

Richard Dower

Interesting news, Pan Am + Charlie's Angels will air eps. out-of-order, always a bad sign:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/09/charlies-angels-and-pan-am-to-air-out.html

Pan Am kicks off tonight, i expect it to be less Mad Men and more soapy.

Richard Dower

Know what?...i'm giving this 5/5 just for the AMAZING production values alone!, it looked stunning, utterly stunning!

The production vales are HUGE, jesus....movie levels, huge sets, very high end CGI, costumes, period 60's, 100's of extras, vintage cars galore. It looked utterly superb, they thre a TON of money at it and you see it onscreen.

But lets talk characters and script, it was fairly cheesy stuff at first, in fact i kinda thought...hey this is a bit naff , but by the second half it really picked up. It's interesting they gone with spies! :eek: - yeah, Pan Am stewardesses were used as spies in the 60's...the Cold War and everything, so that angle was the most interesting part.

I think people might say Pan am is all style over stubstance....and i get that, in part i agree, there wasn't anything real meaty in the characters and script. What sells it is the production values and look, however i very much doubt they'll be able to maintain these levels of quality over the course of a season with a standard per episode budget.

The girls look great, it's very 60's....it's a bit cheesy, it's not exactly edgy or raw, but based on the pilot i'll definately see ep. 2 and see where they are taking this show.

It won't be for everyone but i'd recomend this JUST for the visual eye candy alone

Ken Tucker sums my thoughts uo better, give him a read: http://watching-tv.ew.com/2011/09/25/pan-am-christina-ricci/

VinLieger

Richard Dower wrote: »

Interesting news, Pan Am + Charlie's Angels will air eps. out-of-order, always a bad sign:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/09/charlies-angels-and-pan-am-to-air-out.html

Pan Am kicks off tonight, i expect it to be less Mad Men and more soapy.

****ing ABC, why do networks insist on doing this with serialised shows? if each show was a one off that had plot elements that didnt affect the next one it would be fine but im guessing this is gonna screw with the show and just piss people off. They did it last season with Happy endings and it just threw the whole season out of whack.

Anyway down to the show, i enjoyed it, was pleasently surprised when they threw in the spy element and it will hopefully stop it from becoming a soap opera in the sky as richard is predicting.

amacachi

I just don't get airing episodes out of sequence. Is there any point whatsoever? :S

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

I watched it this morning and imagine my surprise to see Donna from Neighbours in one of the lead roles!!! I loved her in Neighbours and thought she could do better than an aussie soap but I never expected her to be a lead on a massive show like this so soon after leaving. Good for her!

Anyway, I enjoyed it, there was a lot going on in the pilot but I guess that's always the case, trying to set it all up and introduce everyone and all that.

It looks so expensive to make, I wonder will they be able to keep up the production values for a whole season?

Richard Dower

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I watched it this morning and imagine my surprise to see Donna from Neighbours in one of the lead roles!!! I loved her in Neighbours and thought she could do better than an aussie soap but I never expected her to be a lead on a massive show like this so soon after leaving. Good for her!

Anyway, I enjoyed it, there was a lot going on in the pilot but I guess that's always the case, trying to set it all up and introduce everyone and all that.

It looks so expensive to make, I wonder will they be able to keep up the production values for a whole season?

Not a chance!....the CGI alone would cost a fortune, never minds the sets and cars etc.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Richard Dower wrote: »

Not a chance!....the CGI alone would cost a fortune, never minds the sets and cars etc.

Well I'd imagine there'll be quite a few episodes where we don't see them anywhere other than in the plane set where all they need is a few clouds outside the window every now and then.

Richard Dower

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Well I'd imagine there'll be quite a few episodes where we don't see them anywhere other than in the plane set where all they need is a few clouds outside the window every now and then.

They've set the bar sooo high, production wise, i think people would notice a drop in budget. It's gonna happen.

Richard Dower

DeWitt wrote: »

I can tell already, I'm going to love this.
I love how they're selling with Golden Globe Nominee Christina Ricci yet she's barely even in this trailer.

LOL!...she was barely in the bloody pilot!!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

^ Her hair deserves a golden globe for getting itself a professional cut and blow out while in the taxi on the way to the helicopter. That's very versatile hair acting.

Richard Dower

Was/is the Pan Am buliding now the Citigroup building in New York?

Edit - ahh, Metlife: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetLife_Building

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_World_Airways

Dman001

Richard Dower wrote: »

Interesting news, Pan Am + Charlie's Angels will air eps. out-of-order, always a bad sign:

http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/09/charlies-angels-and-pan-am-to-air-out.html

Pan Am kicks off tonight, i expect it to be less Mad Men and more soapy.

I don't understand at all why they would do this?

amdublin

Original hq of pam am!

http://www.keywesttravelguide.com/pan%20am.html
Kelly McGillis of Top Gun's bar

amdublin

What channel is this on?? How are you watching it??

I think I am going to LOVE this!!!!

expectationlost

was that the first jet in service, is that why they made such a big deal of it.

Tenger

expectationlost wrote: »

was that the first jet in service, is that why they made such a big deal of it.

No. The DeHaviland Comet was the first in service and the DC-8 was introduced a little later than the B707. However the B707 was the first commercially successful jet liner, it broke 1000 deliveries. (The military version is still in service today for AWACS and refuelling roles)
The B707 was the jet that essentially opened up mass travel in the same way that the B747 did in the early 70's. It is also iconic in the it lead to the B7x7 series of jet aircraft. While not technically important it does help the marketing push to have a catchy name.

Richard Dower

Just a note here, CTV in Canada are airing this at 8pm as opposed to ABC in the US at 10pm, this means it's out earlier and in fact you *could* see it before it evens airs in the US. I don't understand WHY ABC have it @ 10?....because it's light as air and could easily be shown at 8, there is nothing in the content that needs it to be 10pm.

I belive The Playboy Club airs early in Canada as well, just a heads up.

FouxDaFaFa

I enjoyed the first episode. It was terribly schmaltzy at times alright which nearly killed it for me but the spy angle has the potential to be interesting.Will give it another 2 or 3 eps but not sure about it yet.

youngblood

I have to say I really enjoyed it.
Dont get me wrong, it was no Lost pilot, didnt blow my mind, wont set the world alight
but it was well paced, nice glimpse into the background of the characters and seemed kinda charming............
Overall
Lovely!

expectationlost

it was a wig, its was in her bag /imdb

any chance they'll release the second episode online?

amdublin

Love it! Love it love it love it!

I've just started the Bridget story. I'm intrigued!


Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to buy myself a girdle

Richard Dower

Looking forward to tonights ep.!, hope the visual quality keeps up!

Richard Dower

Meh!....while the production values and look of ep. 2 were as good as the pilot the actual ep. was pretty boring and slow paced. It's a relationship drama and certainly style over substance.

What annoyed me was Laura....why the hell did they change her hair color to blonde?, she looked much better with the redy/auburn color of the pilot....what is even more jarring is the mother on the flight had the Life magazine with Laura's pic...and she wasn't blonde!

Not much arc progression, we found out what happen to Bridget, twas mostly exposition and inter-personal stuff, i'll stick with it just for the visuals but it's not riveting tv and it's lighter then a puff of air, PGtv....tbh i'm not sure how something like this could run for multiple season, take out the pretty weak spy angle and you're left with a glossy period soap opera.

2/5

Tenger

Richard Dower wrote: »

....while the production values and look of ep. 2 were as good as the pilot the actual ep. was pretty boring and slow paced. It's a relationship drama and certainly style over substance.

....... it's lighter then a puff of air, PGtv.............take out the pretty weak spy angle and you're left with a glossy period soap opera.

To be honest I was never expecting anything more so I'm not disappointed!!

Richard Dower

Pan Am dropped sharper then i thought, 29% and 2.5 demo (3.1 last week), posters noted what i did: Pan Am was odd last night. One of the characters suddenly had much blonder hair. There were continuity issues with their costumes. The episode just seemed to be thrown together. A definite change in quality from the pilot to this episode.

^ this could account for the fact the aired the episode out of production order, instead of ep. 2 they showed ep. 3....#2 won't be shown at all apparently.



http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/03/tv-ratings-sunday-pan-am-desperate-housewives-fox-animations-fall-sunday-night-football-tops-night/105724/


http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/pan-am-season-1-episode-2-paris/

FreudianSlippers

I've only watched the pilot so far and I'm intrigued. It was ok and had some shoddy CGI, but overall I liked the acting and I'm interested by the spy aspect of it too.
Seems we have some potential for interesting backstories and flashbacks...

Richard Dower

Brilliant episode!!...wow that was good!, i said last week Pan Am was all style over substance, fluff soapy stuff?....well this week it turned into some excellent character development, some history lessons, the aftermath of the German occupation of France for our flight attendent Colette.

It was really good, very meaty, the whole spy story really kicked into gear this ep. as one courrier trys to save another. Seeing Colette brek down as she sang the German national anthem and knowing how Germany had destroyed her family gave alot of gravitas to this ep.

It was all round better, from acting to script, the production values were something else!....hundreads of extras, vintage cars galore...CGI fest!, it looked amazing, but again it was the deep character development that truely set this ep. alight.

I'm thrilled to see this direction, to see it's not just a sexy period soap...it so easily could. If the show kept this level of quality going it could end up being a must see!

http://tvrecaps.ew.com/recap/pan-am-s1-ep3-berlin-kennedy/

expectationlost

its was still done in a soapy style

Richard Dower

Pan Am sliped another 27% to a 1.9 demo, considering the huge cost of the show....it may not make it past 13 eps.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/10/tv-ratings-sunday-pan-am-keeps-diving-desperate-housewives-ties-series-low-as-of-course-football-wins/106620/

JP Liz V1

It is starting next Monday on RTE 2 at 9pm (very soon debut for RTE and given a primetime slot also)

Basq

Girlfriend was watching this last night while I was working in the background..

.. Christina Ricci is bloody awful in it!

squonk

After episode 3 I agree that the plot development was great but a couple of things irked me that seem to mark it out as becoming a bit soapy. Firstly there was very little 707 CGI used. We only saw the passengers and crew getting on a plane and then getting off. There was what might be their equivalent of a stock shot of the plane in flight at one stage but that was it. It wasn't a million miles away from the Plane episode of Fr. Ted where it's obviously a set and they use stock footage, but very obviously so, and you don't mind that because Fr. Ted didn't have a massive budget. Also, during Kennedy's speech it would have improved things so much to actually see the guy up close, at least once. Surely getting a Kennedy lookalike can't be that hard! It all struck me as being a bit cheap.

Really, you can't start with fantastic CGI of a 707 only two episodes ago, tone it down a bit for the next episode and have virtually none from there on in. I can see myself getting bored very quickly if this is the way they are going. What's next? We get a plane crash episode with a camera close up of Christina Ricci putting her hands up to her mouth in horror, followed by a fade to black and then some people sorting through wreckage in the next scene. It's not good enough!

youngblood

Another lovely episode,

Lovely as in, no great gripping storyline but just plodding along nicely and again really well paced

I agree there wasnt enough CGI but there will be a crash or some air emergency at some stage and they def will be using a lot more CGI for those action packed episodes

Worth a look at considering theres slim pickins out there at the moment

Richard Dower

Casting news, FNL alum Smash to guest star on PA: http://www.tvline.com/2011/10/pan-am-gaius-charles/

As noted he's been very low profile so nice to see him again, hopefully a well written racism plot.

Richard Dower

It's being widely predicted/speculated that Pan Am is next for the chop.....

DeWitt

Not that surprising it has gone downhill since the pilot. The most interesting thing about it was Collette.

amdublin

Richard Dower wrote: »

It's being widely predicted/speculated that Pan Am is next for the chop.....

:mad:

Richard Dower

Ep. 4 is out....which may just end up being the final ever ep. we'll see!!, if the blurb is to be belived, if the ratings don't improve with this ep. it will be axed very shortly.....sad panda!

FouxDaFaFa

I liked the latest episode. It was interesting to see them casually flitting around the Orient, which would still be pretty exotic today.

Thought it was a b1tchy move for Laura to move out on Kate without telling her, presumably sticking her with a higher rent, etc.

The landing into Hong Kong was a close call and if I'm remembering my history correctly, Pan Am are due a bad crash on domestic soil soon. So, we'll see!

Richard Dower

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I liked the latest episode. It was interesting to see them casually flitting around the Orient, which would still be pretty exotic today.

Thought it was a b1tchy move for Laura to move out on Kate without telling her, presumably sticking her with a higher rent, etc.

The landing into Hong Kong was a close call and if I'm remembering my history correctly, Pan Am are due a bad crash on domestic soil soon. So, we'll see!

You watched that ep. pretty quickly Fouxy! - yer a fan then i take it?
I thought ep. 4 was OK, no way as good as last week....but we did get some character development for Ted, him being a naval test pilot, crashing his plane, wanting to be an Astronaut etc.

Lots of sibling rivalry between Kate and Laurs...agree Laura moving out was a petty move! :mad: , again...not even a note :rolleyes:
You think Laura and Ted will get it on at some stage?...they seem kinda drawn to each other, or will they do the usual move of him cheating on her and being a douche?

Can't stand Maggie! :mad: - don't like her attitude and i loathe Rici!, hate her as an actress, she's weird looking! :eek: like a troll or something.
At least in this ep. they explained why the youngest pilot in history got his wings, everyone on forums/reviews have noted how there would be NO WAY you'd have a pilot that young, but they did go some way to explaining that.

Alot more CGI in this ep. pretty high quality as welll...the Hong Kong approach was hairy stuff!

Overall it was OK, not a patch on last week....but, will this ep. help the ratings and avoid the axe? :eek: - i think not!

Folie a deux

I love this show, I really hope it doesn't get cancelled

Kiwi_knock

Not a great episode this week, nothing really happened. Showed some depth to Ted's character but that was about it.

Not sure if it will last much longer, maybe get another few episodes before being cancelled.

squonk

I liked ep 4 overall. It wasn't particularly exciting but not too bad all the same. I thought the CGI on the approach to Tokyo was a bit dodgy looking but overall it was OK and I was fairly happy.

Seeing as this is likely to get canned as some posters say, it makes you wonder about the wisdom of RTE using licence fees to snap up something like this so early on before it's fate is known. I could see the point if there was a Season 2 but I'm not sure it'd have mattered all that much if they started after Christmas by which time they might not show it anyway as it might not even make 8 episodes the way things are sounding.

snubbleste

Watched this, the production is good and must be very expensive.
The premise of the show is not very good imho.

I think a ryanair television soap/show would be far more interesting, with low paid hostesses having paid their own training and uniforms, calenders, visits to 20 countries with airports in the middle of nowhere, Brian Dowling working for MI6, picking people out to weigh their luggage, passengers paying less than a bus fare

amdublin

snubbleste wrote: »

Watched this, the production is good and must be very expensive.
The premise of the show is not very good imho.

I think a ryanair television soap/show would be far more interesting, with low paid hostesses having paid their own training and uniforms, calenders, visits to 20 countries with airports in the middle of nowhere, Brian Dowling working for MI6, picking people out to weigh their luggage, passengers paying less than a bus fare

Is there not one of thiae already about easyjet
Airline or something