Football Round 4 Draws

paulanthony

Does anyone know who is playing who in round 4?

I have heard Kildare play Derry. Anyone know the rest?

Where do people think the Kildare match will be played?

Thanks

Paul

keane2097

You can get them all on rte.ie.

All the games are in neutral venues afaik.

Colm R

Round 4 Next Saturday:

Kildare play Derry.

Watch Derry try to get this put back a week - which I personally I think is fair enough.

Limerick V Wexford.

Down V Cork

Roscommon will not be playing their round 4 game next week because they await the winners of the Round 3 game between Tyrone and Armagh, which will probably be in Omagh on Saturday evening.


Times and venues to be announced later today by the CCCC.

The Swordsman

23/7
Down v Cork
Limerick v Wexford
Kildare v Derry

30/7
Roscommon V Winners of Tyrone v Armagh (23/7)

dcr22B

Colm R wrote: »

Watch Derry try to get this put back a week - which I personally I think is fair enough.

Won't make a slight bit of difference TBH, Kildare will beat them easily.

I was terribly disappointed with Derry yesterday.

popebenny16

only kildare stood out for me in any of the qualifiers, but I think Tyrone could suddenly catch fire on the 30th and into the quarter finals.

Colm R

dcr22B wrote: »

Won't make a slight bit of difference TBH, Kildare will beat them easily.

I was terribly disappointed with Derry yesterday.

I agree, I think its Kildare will win regardless of when it is played. But, I do think it very unfair that Derry (and Roscommon but they got lucky because of the Armagh/Wicklow draw) are expected to play next Saturday.

They should be on an equal footing as Cork and Wexford as far as I'm concerned. Derry playing next Saturday will do Derry nor Kildare any good.

StephenHendry

i think limerick could beat wexford despite the fact that they are not as strong as in previous years. i'd say kildare, tyrone and cork to win the other games

keithrus

Who is limericks Bernie Brosnan?

The only thing Limerick have going for them is that they a bit fresher. Wexford havent played since July 10.

ALTESSE12

StephenHendry wrote: »

i think limerick could beat wexford despite the fact that they are not as strong as in previous years. i'd say kildare, tyrone and cork to win the other games

Wexford will beat Limerick by at least 6 points.

aidan24326

Colm R wrote: »

Round 4 Next Saturday:

Kildare play Derry.

Watch Derry try to get this put back a week - which I personally I think is fair enough.

So do I. It's totally unfair to ask beaten provincial finalists to play 6 days later. With the Roscommon game being put back to the following week anyway, there's no reason at all why they couldn't have fixed the Derry game for that weeeknd aswell.

I agree with those who've said that Kildare will probably win anyway, but at least the extra week would give Derry some chance. If it's played next Saturday Kildare will be a dead cert.

As for a venue, probably somewhere like Breffni Park I'd say.

keane2097

If it's on this week Kildare are certainties, if it's next week it'll be close.

People are getting very carried away over Kildare.

Fowler87

aidan24326 wrote: »

So do I. It's totally unfair to ask beaten provincial finalists to play 6 days later. With the Roscommon game being put back to the following week anyway, there's no reason at all why they couldn't have fixed the Derry game for that weeeknd aswell.

I agree with those who've said that Kildare will probably win anyway, but at least the extra week would give Derry some chance. If it's played next Saturday Kildare will be a dead cert.

As for a venue, probably somewhere like Breffni Park I'd say.

The loser of Connacht have been dealt that ordeal for the past 3 or 4 years and the only reason Ros are playing in fornites time is because of the replay between Armagh/Wicklow. Its ridiculous alrite esp as the Leinster and Connacht semis were held the same weekend but Leinster runners up still always get a week extra preparation..

keane2097

Fowler87 wrote: »

The loser of Connacht have been dealt that ordeal for the past 3 or 4 years and the only reason Ros are playing in fornites time is because of the replay between Armagh/Wicklow. Its ridiculous alrite esp as the Leinster and Connacht semis were held the same weekend but Leinster runners up still always get a week extra preparation..

It's also a disadvantage to the Munster winners who have a long time to stew before their QF.

ShamoBuc

keane2097 wrote: »

If it's on this week Kildare are certainties, if it's next week it'll be close.

People are getting very carried away over Kildare.

I don't think they are. In the last 4 years of qualifiers they have won 10 drew 1 and lost none!

keane2097

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I don't think they are. In the last 4 years of qualifiers they have won 10 drew 1 and lost none!

And won nothing.

They're a decent team, but they're certainly not a level above Derry.

cunninstunt

#All Games Sat 23rd
2 00 PM
Derry vs. Kildare
Páirc an Chrócaigh

6 00 PM
Cork vs. Down
Páirc an Chrócaigh

7 00 PM
Tyrone vs. Armagh
Omagh

7 00 PM
Limerick vs. Wexford
Portlaoise

cruiserweight

Fixtures are announced, double header in Croke Park, Limerick vs Wexford in Portlaoise and Tyrone vs. Armagh in Omagh

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2011/0718/footballqualifiers.html

The times and venues for next Saturday's All-Ireland Round 3/4 Football Qualifiers have been announced.

Croke Park will stage a Round 4 double header, with Kildare v Derry getting proceedings underway at 4.00pm. That will be followed by a repeat of last year's All-Ireland Final as Cork take on Down at 6.00pm.

Limerick will take on Wexford in Portlaoise at 7.00pm.

The remaining Round 3 tie is fixed for Omagh, with Tyrone meeting old rivals Armagh at 7.00pm.

DH2K9

keane2097 wrote: »

And won nothing.

They're a decent team, but they're certainly not a level above Derry.

They hammered Derry in the qualifiers last year in Celtic Park

keane2097

DH2K9 wrote: »

They hammered Derry in the qualifiers last year in Celtic Park

Results-based thinking ftw.

Syferus

keane2097 wrote: »

Results-based thinking ftw.

LOL.

raven136

is it 2pm or 4pm for the Kildare game?

cruiserweight

raven136 wrote: »

is it 2pm or 4pm for the Kildare game?

Kildare vs Derry at 4, with Cork vs Down at 6 according to RTE

corny

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I don't think they are. In the last 4 years of qualifiers they have won 10 drew 1 and lost none!

In fairness this is who they've beaten in that period. Leitrim, Antrim, Derry, Monaghan, Wicklow, Cavan, Limerick, Fermanagh and Roscommon.

A very honest, consistent side who will give every team a game but if they were that good they wouldn't have lost to Dublin twice, Meath and Louth in Leinster in the first place.

Lemlin

corny wrote: »

In fairness this is who they've beaten in that period. Leitrim, Antrim, Derry, Monaghan, Wicklow, Cavan, Limerick, Fermanagh and Roscommon.

A very honest, consistent side who will give every team a game but if they were that good they wouldn't have lost to Dublin twice, Meath and Louth in Leinster in the first place.

Well said. I think Derry will give them a game. I was at the match last Saturday when they played Meath. Kildare were there for the taking if Meath hadn't been weak in a couple of positions.

Having watched the game, I certainly don't think Kildare are at the level people are saying. I still think they'd be no match for Cork or Kerry and they're probably only at the same level as a number of other teams.

John Doyle didn't look fit either and the fact that McGeeney played him shows that he's not fully confident of his side without Doyle. I wonder if he'll be back 100% by this weekend.

raven136

Lemlin wrote: »

Well said. I think Derry will give them a game. I was at the match last Saturday when they played Meath. Kildare were there for the taking if Meath hadn't been weak in a couple of positions.

Having watched the game, I certainly don't think Kildare are at the level people are saying. I still think they'd be no match for Cork or Kerry and they're probably only at the same level as a number of other teams.

John Doyle didn't look fit either and the fact that McGeeney played him shows that he's not fully confident of his side without Doyle. I wonder if he'll be back 100% by this weekend.

Hugh Lynch is out for the season,Earley is out for the season and FLynn has been injured for 2 months.
Thats Kildare's first choice midfield and hence Geezer has to risk Doyle,there is no one else.

unknown13

Surprised with the choice of venue for Derry / Kildare. I was pretty sure that game was going to be held in Breffeni park in Cavan and I thought there would be a chance of Cork / Down being in Portlaoise.

Fireball07

ALTESSE12 wrote: »

Wexford will beat Limerick by at least 6 points.

Really? Limerick beat Wexford in the league and I know Limerick are missing Galvin and were poor against Kerry but I think they'll fight at least. Wexford are favourites but I can't see them winning by at least 6 points. That would take some sort of collapse from Limerick.

Wexford are good but they're not Kerry and I think Collins, Ryan, Kelly and O'Carroll can definitely cause them problems.

NabyLadistheman

When is the draw fir the Quarter's? Obviously the 4 provincial winners V the 4 qualifiers. I'll have a stab at Wexford, Kildare, Armagh & Cork.

unknown13

ALTESSE12 wrote: »

Wexford will beat Limerick by at least 6 points.

That game is going to be very tight. Both sides are about the same level. You can't use the Wexford / Dublin match to judge Wexford because Dublin were just simply awful in that match.

deisedude

keane2097 wrote: »

And won nothing.

They're a decent team, but they're certainly not a level above Derry.

With the Bradleys playing i'd agree with ya. Without them they are lacking up front to beat Kildare in my opinion

keane2097

unknown13 wrote: »

That game is going to be very tight. Both sides are about the same level. You can't use the Wexford / Dublin match to judge Wexford because Dublin were just simply awful in that match.

I'd argue that Dublin and Wexford are roughly the same level when Bernard Brogan isn't playing well, which is what that match would tend to suggest as well.

deisedude wrote: »

With the Bradleys playing i'd agree with ya. Without them they are lacking up front to beat Kildare in my opinion

Kildare will most likely win, especially given Derry's turnaround from the UF, but people who were waxing about Kildare winning comfortably regardless of when the game was played were deluded.

AbsentPonderer

Fireball07 wrote: »

Really? Limerick beat Wexford in the league and I know Limerick are missing Galvin and were poor against Kerry but I think they'll fight at least. Wexford are favourites but I can't see them winning by at least 6 points. That would take some sort of collapse from Limerick.

Wexford are good but they're not Kerry and I think Collins, Ryan, Kelly and O'Carroll can definitely cause them problems.

I'd agree with ya completely there. Who knows, when the footballers are written off, they surprise

aidan24326

keane2097 wrote: »

And won nothing.

They're a decent team, but they're certainly not a level above Derry.

deisedude wrote: »

With the Bradleys playing i'd agree with ya. Without them they are lacking up front to beat Kildare in my opinion

Have to agree with deisedude here. Even if just Eoin Bradley was playing that would make a difference, but without either of the Bradleys Derry are lacking in the forward line, evidenced by their return of only 0-8 against Donegal.

People probably are getting a bit carried away over Kildare, but I don't think they'll need to be world-beaters to win on Saturday. And if they can avoid Kerry in the 1/4 finals they certainly won't fear Mayo or Donegal (I don't know if themselves and Dublin would be kept apart, I imagine they would).

Lemlin

I thought it was agreed a couple of years ago that the GAA would get rid of the six day turnaround for beaten provincial finalists?

Interesting piece in local Cavan paper this week about how overrated Kildare are. They're 8-1 for the All-Ireland yet Donegal, the Ulster Champions, Division 2 champions and a team who have dispatched both Tyrone and Derry in the Ulster championship, are 12-1.

In fairness, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Having been at last Saturday's game, they were decidely average and, a better team than Meath on the day (and there are plenty out there), would have beaten them.

keane2097

aidan24326 wrote: »

Have to agree with deisedude here. Even if just Eoin Bradley was playing that would make a difference, but without either of the Bradleys Derry are lacking in the forward line, evidenced by their return of only 0-8 against Donegal.

People probably are getting a bit carried away over Kildare, but I don't think they'll need to be world-beaters to win on Saturday. And if they can avoid Kerry in the 1/4 finals they certainly won't fear Mayo or Donegal (I don't know if themselves and Dublin would be kept apart, I imagine they would).

They'll win handily this weekend alright, but they're overrated imo and haven't done anything to earn the acclaim they seem to be getting in a lot of quarters at the moment.

keane2097

Lemlin wrote: »

Interesting piece in local Cavan paper this week about how overrated Kildare are.

Don't suppose there's a link to that anywhere?

Lemlin

keane2097 wrote: »

Don't suppose there's a link to that anywhere?

Nope but see if your local shop can get ya the Anglo Celt!
They have a site at anglocelt.ie but its rarely updated.

keane2097

Lemlin wrote: »

Nope but see if your local shop can get ya the Anglo Celt!
They have a site at anglocelt.ie but its rarely updated.

Pretty unlikely I'll be able to get it in time unfortunately!

Was there much of substance in the article about the relative merits of the teams or were they just highlighting the disparity in prices?

themossinator

keane2097 wrote: »

And won nothing.

They're a decent team, but they're certainly not a level above Derry.

Oh dear oh dear

Kildare are comfortably a level above Derry and will demonstrate this when they play them

keane2097

themossinator wrote: »

Oh dear oh dear

Kildare are comfortably a level above Derry and will demonstrate this when they play them

The game this weekend won't demonstrate anything beyond the fact that Derry are missing their two best players and the stupidity of the GAA's scheduling of the Ulster and Connaught finals.

themossinator

Lemlin wrote: »

I thought it was agreed a couple of years ago that the GAA would get rid of the six day turnaround for beaten provincial finalists?

Interesting piece in local Cavan paper this week about how overrated Kildare are. They're 8-1 for the All-Ireland yet Donegal, the Ulster Champions, Division 2 champions and a team who have dispatched both Tyrone and Derry in the Ulster championship, are 12-1.

In fairness, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Having been at last Saturday's game, they were decidely average and, a better team than Meath on the day (and there are plenty out there), would have beaten them.

Thats the thing about that game - Meath really put it up to them and Kildare still won playing badly
Also you can only beat whats in front of you

However Kildare take too long to get going - and thats why they wont win the All-Ireland this year

jemser

Kildare are being over hyped but this is not comming from Kildare supporters its comming from the dredge of clueless pundits out there.Anyone who has followed Kildare for any lenght of time would never over hype them as we are well used to been let down and win very little.The team is playing full of heart and pride and thats all you can ask for and lets face any team that beats them this year will really have to earn it.The fact that the pundits just spout out Kildare because they have won a few games is not the teams or supporters fault just like every year these same pundits pick kerry as all ireland champs and then hop on the band wagon of whoever is doing well.Having said all that I do fancyus to beat Derry on Saturday and would be confident in the quaters against anyone except kerry.

DoctaDee

keane2097 wrote: »

I'd argue that Dublin and Wexford are roughly the same level when Bernard Brogan isn't playing well, which is what that match would tend to suggest as well.

Kildare will most likely win, especially given Derry's turnaround from the UF, but people who were waxing about Kildare winning comfortably regardless of when the game was played were deluded.

Makes ya wonder what level Kildare are at - unable to beat 14 men for the bones of 35 mins

Lemlin

keane2097 wrote: »

Pretty unlikely I'll be able to get it in time unfortunately!

Was there much of substance in the article about the relative merits of the teams or were they just highlighting the disparity in prices?

Nope, not much substance. Just a short enough article about the prices and Kildare being at such short odds despite failing to come out of the weakest province in the AI on several occasions. Also, that Kildare are a team with one scoring forward who is playing at midfield.

In fairness, people are raving about Kildare because they beat Laois and Meath. I wouldn't see either as a strong side and I wouldn't of expected at the start of the year to see either in the last 12.

As for playing badly and beating Meath, I accept that argument but I still don't think Kildare have done anything to justify the hype surrounding them. After all, they lost, yet again, to 14 man Dublin and only made a game of it after Dublin had a man sent off.

DoctaDee

Lemlin wrote: »

........... After all, they lost, yet again, to 14 man Dublin and only made a game of it after Dublin had a man sent off.

Even that's pushing it a bit .. O'gara was sent off in 38th minute with Dublin 5 up, by 68th minute they were still 4 points up .. I grant ya, they dominated the last 5 minutes :rolleyes:

jemser

picked the wrong team against the dubs,full forward line was shocking all taken off

DoctaDee

jemser wrote: »

picked the wrong team against the dubs,full forward line was shocking all taken off

That's our excuse for the Wexford game too .. lol

jemser

Excuses are great,makes you feel so much better about your failings!!

DoctaDee

jemser wrote: »

Excuses are great,makes you feel so much better about your failings!!

LMAO .. very good .. 16 years of failings this year .. 17 next year

JohnnyBomb

any1 know if the hill is being opened for the double header saturday???