marine diesel

dpaulod

Hi all,
I am currently looking at buying a small diesel powered motor boat for a bit of fun, fishing at the weekends. Is it possible, legal or represent any savings to use agri diesel in the boat. Is there a difference between marine, agri or normal car diesel. What is the legfal situation on this.

Regards

Paul O' Donovan.

fergal.b

Hi, the diesel is the same it's just the dye that is different, and this is the legal aspect on it :eek:



(a) The Boat Owner rather then the purchaser is responsible for making the returns. The Revenue Commissonars have released a guide to this scheme see www.revenue.ie/en/tax/excise/leaflets/mineral-oil-tax-on-heavy-oil.pdf for details

(b) The Revenue require that a full and complete return be made detailing the purchase of marked Gas oil ( MGO) for use in boats. The scheme must work and be seen to work to the satisfaction of all concerned.

© Contary to reports on other websites, there is no allowance for heating or generating fuel. The situation in the UK does not apply. There is an allowance for boats is stationary for an extended time, as in liveaboards or winter static moorings etc. Paragraph (4) of the the guide provides information in this respect.

(d) Hire companies will recover the tax from their users and make the returns on their behalf

(e) The Revenue Commissionars have published a simple form that asks you to fill out your purchases and return the correct tax by the 1st of march in the year following those purchases. Obviously you should in all cases make complete and accurate returns as appropriate . It is a criminal offense to make a false return.

(f) The offenses under the Mineral Oil Tax ( for using fuel that has not been taxed in at the appropriate rate) do not apply. However again I emphaise the fact that correct returns must be made.

(g) Persons who are not resident in Ireland for tax purposes, are bound by teh same provisons and must make a return to the Revenue as appropriate

(h) The success of the scheme will be based on the compliance of boaters. It behoves us all to co-operate and be seen to implement this scheme correctly, to quote the communication from the Revenue Commissonars

" This scheme can only suceed , and the continued use of MGO permitted, if there is cooperation from your side (us the boaters - GBN), and that the emphasis must be on voluntary compliance rather then stringent enforcement measures."

Tabnabs

An excellent post by Fergal (as usual!) but there is one inaccuracy. Green diesel/ Gas Diesel Oil and Road Diesel/Derv are not the same any more.

There is now a FAME, Fatty Acid Methyl Ester better known as "biofuel" additive in road diesel and this is not the type of stuff you want to be feeding into your engine without taking precautions.

If you do a google on it you get all the long winded explanations.

dpaulod

Tabnabs wrote: »

An excellent post by Fergal (as usual!) but there is one inaccuracy. Green diesel/ Gas Diesel Oil and Road Diesel/Derv are not the same any more.

There is now a FAME, Fatty Acid Methyl Ester better known as "biofuel" additive in road diesel and this is not the type of stuff you want to be feeding into your engine without taking precautions.

If you do a google on it you get all the long winded explanations.

Why cant things be straight forward. Thanks to both of you for your posts.

Paul O Donovan.

fergal.b

Thanks for that Tabnabs, you learn something every day:)
I got this from Afloat.

The Cruising Association has urged boaters to ensure their supplies of diesel are free of bio-fuel that could have harmful effects on marine engines.

Regulations for the new grade of low-sulphur diesel for leisure vessels and yachts were introduced last week. But the Federation of Petroleum Suppliers has warned that a percentage of this fuel may contain fatty acid methyl ester (FAME).

The bio-fuel is used safely in a variety of industries but can have "a seriously detrimental effect on some marine engines" and is known to worsen "the problems of ‘bugs’ in tanks, causing blocked filters [and breaking down] to acids leading to engine equipment damage".

It's understood that Irish marinas are arranging with fuel suppliers to provide them with FAME-free diesel, but some diesel containing up to 2% of the bio-fuel may not be phased out until summer.

The Cruising Association has advised boatowners to demand details from their suppliers regarding the age and sulphur content of their fuel, and whether it contains FAME.

Paal Janson of Dun Laoghaire Marina told Afloat.ie: "We are happy to say that we will continue to supply gas oil [diesel] with no FAME content."

He added: "We have been told by our supplier (Maxol) that their 10ppm gas oil also contains no FAME and the only product they supply with FAME is Derv (road diesel).

"They also inform us that the legislation has still not been signed off by the relevant Government minister. So until advised otherwise, it is business as usual for gas oil supply at Dun Laoghaire Marina."

dpaulod

Hi All,
My use of the boat will be very limited to weekends for a few hours at a time. I have no problem paying the correct tax on fuel but am I correct in thinking if I fill up a 5 gallon drum at a petrol station this diesel is not suitable for a marine diesel engine. But that farm diesel is suitable and legal once I submit a tax return at the end of the year ???.

Paul.

Tabnabs

You need to find out from whoever supplies the agri-diesel if it has a FAME/bio-diesel content? The last thing you want is to break down when afloat.

moonshadow

If you use regular white diesel from a garage in your 5 gallon drums,your fine,the tax is paid go and enjoy your fishing;)