Cloynes Report, Christianity, etc etc

robindch

Vatican wants the Cloyne debate to be handled with "objectivity":

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0722/1224301130470.html

Beruthiel

robindch wrote: »

Vatican wants the Cloyne debate to be handled with "objectivity":

Can we be as objective as they were over the last millennia?

eigrod

And here comes the fight back, from one particular corner of the Irish Catholic organisation at least. Pathetic and shows they are still in denial. What more will it take for them (or at least, most of them) to look inwardly, at least just once.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0728/1224301501818.html?via=mr

Kenny likened to Hitler in Mass leaflet

TAOISEACH ENDA Kenny has been likened to Adolf Hitler in a newsletter distributed to Massgoers in a Co Louth parish, following his criticism of the Vatican.

The newsletter, which was in the Church of St Columcille in Togher on Sunday, carried an article about Mr Kenny’s Dáil speech of last week under the headline: “Heil Herr Kenny”.

Referring to Mr Kenny’s criticisms of the Vatican’s handling of clerical sex abuse, the article stated: “The last European leader to make such a blistering attack on the Pope was the ruthless German dictator Adolf Hitler”.

Parish priest of Togher Fr Thomas Daly was not available yesterday to comment on the article.

One local man said: “Everybody in the area is talking about it. It is a bit much comparing the leader of Ireland to Hitler – the article went too far.”

The newsletter article stated: “Perhaps he [Enda Kenny] might also keep in mind that the profile of Knock was hugely raised by the visit of a former Pope [John Paul II] to the shrine in 1979.

“If history teaches us one lesson, it must surely be a call to be careful about the canonisation of political leaders.

“Even Hitler had to face that reality. A cautionary tale.”

In the special Dáil debate on the Cloyne report, Mr Kenny said the report exposed an attempt by the Holy See to frustrate an inquiry into abuse just three years ago.

The Togher parish bulletin also referred to the positive response to the Taoiseach’s comments. “His Dáil speech was greeted with shouts of jubilation by almost every journalist and TV pundit in the country.

“Is this the new Ireland? Is this the fulfilment of the dreams of the founding fathers? ‘No Pope here’. Is this the way forward for a new and better Ireland?”

“Is this the new Ireland? Is this the fulfilment of the dreams of the founding fathers? ‘No Pope here’. Is this the way forward for a new and better Ireland?”

No, the way forward is clearly covering up child abuse

Dades

A blinkered response from some backwater parish priest who doesn't like his worldview threatened.

If it had come from a bishop or someone it would be news.

robindch

Patsy McGarry gives a rundown of the Vatican runaround:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0728/1224301495730.html

OpheliaBenson

So, in February 2007, the Murphy commission wrote to then papal nuncio to Ireland Archbishop Giuseppe Lazzarotto requesting he forward “all documents in his possession relevant to the commission”. He did not reply.

So, in early 2009, it wrote to current nuncio Archbishop Giuseppe Leanza, (in situ since April 2008), enclosing a draft of its report for comment. He did not reply.

One tries to picture it...Did they just toss the mail into the wastebasket?

MrPudding

OpheliaBenson wrote: »

So, in February 2007, the Murphy commission wrote to then papal nuncio to Ireland Archbishop Giuseppe Lazzarotto requesting he forward “all documents in his possession relevant to the commission”. He did not reply.

So, in early 2009, it wrote to current nuncio Archbishop Giuseppe Leanza, (in situ since April 2008), enclosing a draft of its report for comment. He did not reply.

One tries to picture it...Did they just toss the mail into the wastebasket?

No. They complained to the Irish government that the Murphy had had the cheek to contact them directly and demanded that any further requests for information should be through diplomatic channels because they are, you know, a pretend state.

MrP

pH

OpheliaBenson wrote: »

[/INDENT]One tries to picture it...Did they just toss the mail into the wastebasket?

The real Ophelia or a fan?

robindch

^^^ The real.

robindch

The Vatican is rumoured to be preparing to bollock Ireland:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/vatican-to-issue-strong-cloyne-report-response-2835625.html

Turtwig

robindch wrote: »

The Vatican is rumoured to be preparing to bollock Ireland:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/vatican-to-issue-strong-cloyne-report-response-2835625.html

How very Christian of them : passing the blame.:rolleyes:

Dades

robindch wrote: »

The Vatican is rumoured to be preparing to bollock Ireland:

I don't think these responses are going to curry them any more favour...

The Indo wrote:

In its response, the Vatican will point out the weakness of Irish state monitoring of child abuse.

Says the crowd who made that job made a bit more difficult shifting offenders around different parishes.

The Indo wrote:

The Government will also be told that the seal of the confession is sacrosanct.

Are they suggesting being sacrosanct means being above any State law?

robindch

Dades wrote: »

Are they suggesting being sacrosanct means being above any State law?

It's a nice "ethossy" way of saying that they want their rules to trump State Law.

Not a wise way to go in the circumstances, I'd have thought.

axer

robindch wrote: »

Not a wise way to go in the circumstances, I'd have thought.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Its ironic if they go down this path:

Irish Independant wrote:

And it will insist that the Taoiseach's comments failed to recognise the efforts of Pope Benedict XVI to ensure bishops comply with national laws.

but yet bring up this

Irish Independant wrote:

The Government will also be told that the seal of the confession is sacrosanct.

which would be clearly suggesting that priests should break the law by not reporting information given during a confession when the government have made it quite clear that this would be illegal.

Interesting times ahead. I hope this gets lots of media coverage should they say those things.

smokingman

-grabs popcorn-

-suddenly realises he hates popcorn and grabs jellies instead-

This should be high-larious :pac:

achtungbarry

I am really hoping that the Vatican do respond in the manner being reported. It will on help quicken the demise of their rotten organisation in this country.

MrPudding

achtungbarry wrote: »

I am really hoping that the Vatican do respond in the manner being reported. It will on help quicken the demise of their rotten organisation in this country.

I wish I shared your optimism. There are too many peoPle who believe they can do no wrong.

MrP