Legal high kills 170 Irish people per year

Tehachapi

Why isn't this drug made illegal like the rest of the evil (formerly) legal highs? Madness!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/alcohol-poisoning-killing-170-irish-a-year-512494.html

wild_cat

Cause all the auld ones who had the head shops banned are probably doped up to the eye balls on benzo's themselves?

Sure the doctor perscribes it so its grand.

El Weirdo

Tehachapi wrote: »

Why isn't this drug made illegal like the rest of the evil (formerly) legal highs? Madness!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/alcohol-poisoning-killing-170-irish-a-year-512494.html

We know.

wandatowell

Maybe we should ban driving because of all the deaths as well........

aint gonna happen brah

TheZohanS

170...that's about the same figure for deaths through suicide for 3 months yet the Government do fùck all about that.

They need to get their priorities right.

Cianos

Not that I overly care what others do to their own bodies, but saying 170 ppl per year and using it as a comparison to other substances is misleading - almost everyone in this country drinks, whereas only a tiny % of Irish people use other drugs.

Saila

Cianos wrote: »

Not that I overly care what others do to their own bodies, but saying 170 ppl per year and using it as a comparison to other substances is misleading - almost everyone in this country drinks, whereas only a tiny % of Irish people use other drugs.

lmao!

krudler

Legal drugs kill thousands more.


move along.

SEPT 23 1989

Amateurs:rolleyes:

Killer Pigeon

TheZohan wrote: »

170...that's about the same figure for deaths through suicide for 3 months yet the Government do fùck all about that.

They need to get their priorities right.

Apparently many people commit suicide while drinking.

Tehachapi

Cianos wrote: »

Not that I overly care what others do to their own bodies, but saying 170 ppl per year and using it as a comparison to other substances is misleading - almost everyone in this country drinks, whereas only a tiny % of Irish people use other drugs.

Yeah - only a tiny % of people were using headshop drugs :

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/firefighters-save-8364485000-in-cash-from-head-shop-2063640.html

A rival company -- Irish Head Shop Enterprises, which has a store in Dublin's Temple Bar -- made a €1.68m profit in 2008.

Super-Rush

Scenario number 1

Me: Some night last night. Had 8 or 9 large bottles and the same in shots. went down to the chipper and got in a row. Dyin with a hangover this morning.

You: Ha ha ya legend.

Secenario number 2

Me: Great night last night. Had a couple of spliffs. Ate some Monster Munch, watched tv and went to bed. Feel grand this morning.

You: Fucking junkie loser.

Love you Ireland.

RMD

People are idiots. If somethings legal they think it's fine to take and is harmless, while if it's illegal it's a poison which needs to be avoided. If people did some in depth research into drugs, they'd be pretty surprised.

Ghost_of_ED209

Sure we need something to keep the population down...

jive

Alcohol in excess is bad for you?????

brb potassium poisoning, water poisoning etc.

Alcohol isn't made illegal because it makes money. If Ireland made alcohol illegal we would be more fúcked than we already are. You know this and everyone else knows this so why make a thread about it?

In before someone calls "Weed has never killed anybody". Great. We know.

HazDanz

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Apparently many people commit suicide while drinking.

Some people may commit suicide while drinking. But I imagine it's the mentality prior to the drinking that leads to the suicide.

Although that's not to excuse that drinking would be factor.

Killer Pigeon

If someone decides to drink 2 liters of vodka in an hour then they're idiots!

If someone drinks petrol "for the craic" and then they die, should we then make petrol illegal? Of course we shouldn't - we can't make natural selection illegal, can we?

FatherLen

didn't we already have this conversation

mikom

Baa, baa, black sheep,
Have you any drugs?
Yes sir, yes sir,
Three bags full.

One is legal,
One is forbidden,
And one sends the little boy
down for twenty years.

Logical Fallacy

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

If someone decides to drink 2 liters of vodka in an hour then their idiots!

If someone douses drinks petrol "for the craic" and then they die, should we then make petrol illegal? Of course we shouldn't - we can't make natural selection illegal, can we?

You'd be amazed man, one of the reasons for all the pressure to close headshops was because some dude took some mushrooms, puked em back up and then decided to jump out of a window.

Seachmall

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

You'd be amazed man, one of the reasons for all the pressure to close headshops was because some dude took some mushrooms, puked em back up and then decided to jump out of a window.

I thought that was when they outlawed shrooms back in '07. A guy took shrooms, drank his own weight in alcohol and then decided he could fly.

Mike 1972

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Apparently many people commit suicide while drinking.

Nobody commits suicide

Suicide is not a crime

Seachmall

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Nobody commits suicide

Suicide is not a crime

"Commit" is not synonymous with performing a crime...?

randylonghorn

So what's the appropriate verb then?

Keith186

Suicided ^^

7sr2z3fely84g5

it's a bizarre view we have in ireland,we have numberous government campaigns on the hazards of smoking,but comes to likes of GAA sponsorship its ok for beer company to sponsor,looking at formula one,they allowed net ,energy drinks, and mobile phone companies to do the sponoring.

Sonnenblumen

Tehachapi wrote: »

Why isn't this drug made illegal like the rest of the evil (formerly) legal highs? Madness!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/alcohol-poisoning-killing-170-irish-a-year-512494.html

Self inflicted substance abuse is an individual matter and hardly new. Ban! Are you off your head or what?

charlemont

I got slated for raising the issue of prescription drugs in another thread, Doctors are the real drug pushers..

CorkMan

Karter Slow Treachery wrote: »

it's a bizarre view we have in ireland,we have numberous government campaigns on the hazards of smoking,but comes to likes of GAA sponsorship its ok for beer company to sponsor,looking at formula one,they allowed net ,energy drinks, and mobile phone companies to do the sponoring.

Look at all the poker and betting online ads lately, ***k sake like. Sky Sports advertise their own betting service, another ad 135 betting (thankfully don't know the proper name) and advertise drink all during the same break.

Mike 1972

Whats wrong with mobile phone companies

(bar tax dodging ones obviously)

randylonghorn

Keith186 wrote: »

Suicided ^^

And I got slated for saying that a couple of months ago, can't remember exactly the reasoning given.

I think the deep-down reality is that no terminology will be comfortable or easy on the ear, because the act itself isn't something we're comfortable or easy with, nor should we be.

The real problem to my mind is that we allow that feeling of discomfort to brush the problem under the carpet, and it's ignored to a great extent.

Tehachapi

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Whats wrong with mobile phone companies

You can use your mobile phone to call drug dealers, they are the tools of satan.

Killer Pigeon

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Nobody commits suicide

Suicide is not a crime

Oxford English Dictionary wrote: »

perpetrate or carry out (a mistake, crime, or immoral act):he committed an uncharacteristic error

The word "commit" isn't always used in the context of breaking the law.

What PC term, in your mind, should one use instead of saying "commit suicide"?

enda1

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

The word "commit" isn't always used in the context of breaking the law.

What PC term, in your mind, should one use instead of saying "commit suicide"?

Killing oneself.

Oh (not aimed at you KP), alcohol is not a legal high. Its a depressant.

Laisurg

Will never be illegal, it's been socially acceptable for far too long.

Dravokivich

Two thirds of those who died were men and the majority were aged less than 50 years. Half of the deaths involved another drug, either tranquillisers or opiates.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/alcohol-poisoning-killing-170-irish-a-year-512494.html#ixzz1RzCjNrbl

...so it's not alcohol that's the problem, it's the attitude a vast minority of people seem to have.

sbsquarepants

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Nobody commits suicide

Suicide is not a crime

Either is adultery, but people commit that all the time.

Also how come if suicide is not a crime, which it no longer is since the 90's, but it is still a crime to assist.
How can it be illegal to help someone do something which is not illegal?

mikom

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Either is adultery, but people commit that all the time.

Also how come if suicide is not a crime, which it no longer is since the 90's, but it is still a crime to assist.
How can it be illegal to help someone do something which is not illegal?

It's not illegal for a six year old boy to ****.
Helping him is though.

Life's full of inconsistencies.......

Killer Pigeon

enda1 wrote: »

Killing oneself.

Is that ever used in an official context? I mean, "Killing oneself" doesn't always specify "suicide".

enda1

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Is that ever used in an official context?

No idea. But its factually accurate.

syklops

Those figures do seem to be inflated a little bit;

From the article:

Half of the deaths involved another drug, either tranquillisers or opiates.

Which means only half of the 170 was actually solely related to alcohol poisoning, which is 85, out of ~ 4 million. Many people say Ireland has a severe problem with drink. I think we have a severe problem with people blaming all our problems on the evil drink.

I heard some fella on the radio I think on Monday, who attributed the beatings in Dublin centre recently to 'the cheap price of alcohol'. Ireland at the moment is either the second or third most expensive place in Europe for alcohol. At the same time we are one of the more lenient countries when it comes to anti-social behaviour, assault and repeat offenders. Not to mention some of our prisons are the most comfortable on the planet.

Something needs to be done, yes. But something else. Taxing the bejaysus out of it has not worked.

Pace2008

enda1 wrote: »

Killing oneself.

Oh (not aimed at you KP), alcohol is not a legal high. Its a depressant.

"Legal high" is just a colloquial term to describe unscheduled psychoactives. Heroin and cannabis are depressants but you could describe people under their influence as high.

Chairman Meow

Alcohol - produced by professionals in supervised conditions and bound by strict regulations & health and safety laws

Head shop drugs - produced by a bunch of failed chemists in china using whatever ingredients they can whack into a packet and get away with and hope it isnt toxic

Seachmall

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Alcohol - produced by professionals in supervised conditions and bound by strict regulations & health and safety laws

Head shop drugs - produced by a bunch of failed chemists in china using whatever ingredients they can whack into a packet and get away with and hope it isnt toxic

I completely agree, we should regulate the head shop drugs!

Augmerson

Seachmall wrote: »

I thought that was when they outlawed shrooms back in '07. A guy took shrooms, drank his own weight in alcohol and then decided he could fly.

Some chap in Cork, Mary Harney heard about it and had an aul cry. Easiest campaign to change something ever.

whatdoicare

Smoking kills around 6500 in Ireland every year and about the same in passive smoking - yet noone really cares about that and people pretty much insist that I join them in their favorite disgusting hobby and take me down with them! http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=15677

But what people keep telling me: "Sure tis grand - everyone does it and sure my friends friend of a friend quit smoking there and dropped dead! I'm better off smoking and here sit next to me - that's really rude sitting way off over there- and close those windows and doors - it's freezing so it is!!!"
They're usually the idiots that complain about headshops too and pop uppers and downers their pal the doctor gave them while they're saying it!

I keep telling people, I had bad asthma when I was young (my mam smoked into my face the whole time too) and I spent a hell of a lot of time on ventilators and spent hours awake at night as I couldn't breath even though I was exhausted! The whole "but I'll get fat!!" ****e means nothing - if you have to take steroids for your breathing you're going to blow up like a balloon and no amount of exercise or dieting is going to get it off!

I'm free of that now but every single smoker is destined for it and they can gauffaw all they like but that's a hard fact and I wouldn't wish that suffering on my worst enemy!
Nothing worse than sucking on an inhalor at four in the morning, your back and shoulders killing you from trying to get air into your lungs and all you want is a precious hour of sleep but if you lie down it gets worse! There's this sickly mucus that goes with it too - no amount of coughing gets it up! Think of the worst flu you've ever had and multiply it by ten!

In my mind that's a horrible death for anyone!

LLU

yawn. this thread comes up almost every second week. op if you're that anxious to get alcohol banned or head shops legalised or whatever there are probably more constructive ways of achieving it than starting yet another thread on boards.

Seachmall

LLU wrote: »

yawn. this thread comes up almost every second week.

Join Date: Jun 2011

Pace2008

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Alcohol - produced by professionals in supervised conditions and bound by strict regulations & health and safety laws

You can have it jump through as many flaming hoops as you like, it's still an inherently toxic chemical.

mikom

LLU wrote: »

yawn.

Need a little pick-me-up?

Chairman Meow

Pace2008 wrote: »

You can have it jump through as many flaming hoops as you like, it's still an inherently toxic chemical.

Eh yeah, and a bunch of chemicals mixed in some back alley lab by people who probably dont even know what the **** theyre doing is fine tho?

Say what you like about booze being toxic, but i know if i drink a pint im not gonna wind up in hospital. Same cant be said for the ****e headshops sold.