"I just cant do moderation" and the Protein Paradigm shift

Rakish

I posted this today on my website, just interested in what you guys think?

You don’t fully trust the supplement companies? Do you really believe you are getting 25g per scoop? Is it all a smoke screen? The idea of eating so much meat somehow seems wrong. All that chewing! How many chickens have been sacrificed for your fat loss and muscle gains goals?

You diet you lose some weight. You go back to eating a normal maintenance diet. But you just put the weight straight back on. You feel you deserve a break from the dieting. A few extra sugary treats slip in to the diet almost unconsciously. Social and family events are punctuated by rich food, sugary treats and alcohol. Life is too short to be so strict on yourself all the time. There is no enjoyment from eating healthy all the time.

What if you play sport? “I’m not naturally thin anyway”, “I need carbohydrates”. So you load up before games and load up again to recover. You need to keep the protein intake up in case you lose strength. Do you find you are getting fatter? And slower and older!

You try to correct this. You decide the easiest solution is to reduce your protein intake to reduce the calorie excess. Make room for those sugary treats that punctuate our lives and make life just that little bit more fun, right? At the end of the season you are facing a diet to lose 10lb and a weight program to get your strength back just to get back to where you were 12 months ago. Are you are running to stand still?

What’s the problem here? “I just can’t do moderation”. You’ve read all the forums, bought the supplements, listened to forward thinking knowledgeable coaches. “You need over 150g, 200g, 250g of protein a day to achieve your goal”. “Keep your carbohydrates clean and cut out the junk”. But the collective unconscious that we are all bound to gets us every time. The little voice that says “this can’t be right”, “they all must think I’m mad”, “there’s nothing wrong with a normal healthy diet”, “There is no way you can eat that much protein and lose weight”, “that much protein can’t be healthy”. We have been unconsciously conditioned like this since childhood. And we have helped condition others with the same thinking. Because deep down we still agree with the old paradigm. We will never make the paradigm shift until you see the results for your self. When you do something like a Protein saving modified fast diet you see for yourself. Once you go beyond the first week somehow you feel like you are free of the shackles, for a while at least. But can you cut loose of those shackles forever… More tomorrow! http://www.rakishfatloss.com

EileenG

By all means post here, but not linking to your website unless you have a good reason.

Mellor

There's a few big errors in there tbh.

Like for example, when you return to a maintenance diet and gain weight. If you are gain weight you are eating above maintenance. There might be soem water retention, but that's expect if you are switiching between high and low carb

Rakish

Mellor wrote: »

There's a few big errors in there tbh.

Like for example, when you return to a maintenance diet and gain weight. If you are gain weight you are eating above maintenance. There might be some water retention, but that's expect if you are switiching between high and low carb

Thanks for your input. I apprecaite your point and I'll elaborate this point further in another post. I've done these diets, I've read all the books, I've talked to loads of people who do diets for athletes etc. And I see the same patterns over and over.

This biggest obstale to any diet is our thinking. How we talk to ourselves, how we justify ourselves to ourselves, how we change our thinking and then fall back again. Maitentance is tougher to get right than dieting sometimes. Hence the title about moderation. Moderation is an endless daily battle.

Gummy Panda

So is this to sell some protein saving diet?

Rakish

I'm bloging my experience of a protein saving modified fast. I'm following a very extreme version at the moment. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone without a very good grounding in nutrition. I've already had a post locked out here for mentioning it.

I hope to build a decent resource that people will find helpful.

Right now, I don't sell anything.

Mellor

It's the V-Diet right.
To be honest, I don't like it.

To me, they essentially took Lyle Mcdonald's RFLD, and branded supplements to meet it's requirements. There is no reason why you have to use their brand of supplements. Any supps with the same macros would be the same. What's more, real food with the same macros would be the same.

The Supps
1) Metabolic Drive® Low-Carb Protein
-this is basically just whey and caesin

2) SURGE® Recovery
- this is just sugars, hydro whey and BCAAs. Very common PWO drink. They charge through the roof for some you can make yourself.

3) HOT-ROX® Extreme
-A thermogenic. Contains Yohimbine, which is illegal in most countries. Similar to ephedrine

4) Flameout™ EPA/DHA
-Anybody with any sort of cope on will be able to tell you that the above is fish oil (it also contains a smaller amount of CLA). For price, its a complete ripp off. The dosage is over the top too..

5) BIOTEST® Superfood
-Freeze dried fruit extract. Basically a multivitamen

6) BIOTEST® L-Leucine Anabolic Food Additive
-Obviously just L-Leucine, a common BCAA


Basically, the above are over priced and over hyped.
Of course you lose weight on this diet, you are starving yourself.

The protein blend, and ther recovery shakes are probably worthwile. Can be bought cheaper unbranded. The fish oil is also worthwile, freely availible.

I would bother with the thermo, superfood or the L-Leucine. They may have some positive benefits, but not ones that justify the price.

Rakish

Mellor wrote: »

It's the V-Diet right.
To be honest, I don't like it.

To me, they essentially took Lyle Mcdonald's RFLD, and branded supplements to meet it's requirements.

Yeah, bang on there Mellor. I pretty much agree with all you points. And for the record I didn't buy any biotest products.

I've done Lyle RFLD and this is my first effort at the v-diet. They are very similar. I like the training program on the v-diet. I may be speaking too soon and the proof will be in the "after" pictures but I would swear I'm gaining muscle on the v-diet and I'm definitely getting stronger in the gym.

I'm graphing a comparison between the RFL and v-diet (see attached). At the moment the v-diet is slightly ahead.

Parsley

aaagghh label your axes! :pac:

assuming the x is days and y is weight in lbs?

is that spike around 7-8 days on both diets a weekly carb refuel type thing?

Rakish

Parsley wrote: »

aaagghh label your axes! :pac:

assuming the x is days and y is weight in lbs?

is that spike around 7-8 days on both diets a weekly carb refuel type thing?

Yes, correct assumption, its a work in progress, I'll tart it up very nicely when I'm finished and post it on the blog.

The big spikes come from the carb intake during planned refeeds (cheat meals). They can also be caused by water retension. For example on the v-diet I'm using after max as a PWO shake which contains carbs and creatine. And I take salt in some of my shakes. Carbs, salt and creatine all affect water rention.

I always estimate my normal (not dieting) glycogen weight as about 7lb. So 7lb of the weight loss is not fat loss.

The RFL graphed here was my best RFL and I think the v-diet will beat it.

Mellor

Rakish wrote: »

Yeah, bang on there Mellor. I pretty much agree with all you points. And for the record I didn't buy any biotest products.

Ah ok.
That's fine then. I have no problem with the V-diet (or RFL) just the branding behind the supps.

I'm graphing a comparison between the RFL and v-diet (see attached). At the moment the v-diet is slightly ahead.

I must admit, I do like the way you are approaching it. Graphing progress. It would be useful to highlight the glycogen loss phase (rather obvious on the graph) and the glycogen reload once you finish. I'd suggest you maintain the graphs for 3-7 days after.

Rakish wrote: »

The big spikes come from the carb intake during planned refeeds (cheat meals)
.

I seen the graph before the above post. Immediately thought refeeds.
You might have overdone the final one

Rakish

I finshed part 2 and 3 of the "protein pardigm shift" manefesto on my web page. Its a couple of pages of text so probably not suitable to put here check it out if you guys are interested.

http://www.rakishfatloss.com
(Sorry about the link mods, looks like I can't put it in my footer until I have 25 posts)

Rakish

Mellor wrote: »

I'd suggest you maintain the graphs for 3-7 days after.

Good suggestion. I'll probably do that. There is a two week transision at the end of the v-diet. So the glycogen will be phased back in rather than a UD2.0 (Ref Lyle McDonald) style refeed.

Rakish

Parsley wrote: »

aaagghh label your axes! :pac:

assuming the x is days and y is weight in lbs?

is that spike around 7-8 days on both diets a weekly carb refuel type thing?

All nice and pretty now... check it out http://rakishfatloss.com/velocity-diet-progress/