Hurling Quarter Finals

Clareman

Looks like they've been set for a double header in Thurles on the 24th. Dublin & Limerick up first.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/gaa_fixtures_hurlingchampionship.html

Quarter-finals
24 Jul 2011 Limerick 2:00 Dublin Thurles
24 Jul 2011 Galway 4:00 Waterford Thurles

dcr22B

Same as 2009 with us and the Treatymen up first.

Hopefully, a different result this time around. Can't help but feel we left it behind that day and our lads will be well riled up to put the Kilkenny match to bed ASAP.

That said, Limerick are hurling extremely well at the moment and they'll be just as fired up for this.

Clareman

IMO, Limerick's style of play will be stifled by Dublin's, I would say that could be the closest of the 2 games, I wouldn't imagine there'd be much more than a score in it.

In the other game, the analogy of wounded/cornered animals come to mind, if Waterford come out and play like they can they have every chance of beating Galway, if Galway play like they did in their first 2 games of the season they'll be beaten.

It's really coming to the business end of the season, both games could could either way, I hope for Waterford hurling's sake that they come out and do themselves proud.

dcr22B

Clareman wrote: »

It's really coming to the business end of the season, both games could could either way, I hope for Waterford hurling's sake that they come out and do themselves proud.

Ditto, thinking back to the game 2 years ago, Galway had it in the bag until a late goal and a point from who else but John Mullane won it for the Déise. The Galway supporters around us couldn't believe their eyes!

spideog7

From RTE:

The All-Ireland Hurling quarter-finals will be staged as a double-header in Thurles on Sunday 24 July.

Dublin will face Limerick at 2pm, followed by Waterford v Galway at 4pm.

The semi-finals will take place in Pairc Ui Chaoimh on 7 August and 14 August.

Surely that's not right is it? Semi-finals not at Croke Park?!

UpTheSlashers

spideog7 wrote: »

From RTE:



Surely that's not right is it? Semi-finals not at Croke Park?!

Semis are definitely at Croker.

Clareman

Typo I'd imagine, I'd say they meant to type Páirc an Chrócaigh

It's on gaa.ie that the semi's are on in Croke Park and the quarters are set for Semple,

http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/search-results/

Mountainlad

dcr22B wrote: »

Ditto, thinking back to the game 2 years ago, Galway had it in the bag until a late goal and a point from who else but John Mullane won it for the Déise. The Galway supporters around us couldn't believe their eyes!

Funnily enough I watched that the other day. We were useless, Galway didn't score for the last twenty minutes, ran out of steam from playing four weeks in a row. That said, Kelly had two scores waved wide and Canning had a point allowed, all of which were wrong calls, and Diarmuid Kirwan had a bad performance and certainly didn't do us any favours (Michael Duignan even said it). It's amazing how the GAA gave him the task of reffing the all-ireland final after that considering the warning signs were there.

KevIRL

Should have had the Waterford-Galway as the opener this time round. The Dublin-Limerick game is likely to be far closer and more entertaining.

corny

KevIRL wrote: »

Should have had the Waterford-Galway as the opener this time round. The Dublin-Limerick game is likely to be far closer and more entertaining.

From what i remember the Galway Waterford game in 09 was an absolute humdinger.

Don't write off Waterford just yet. Davy Fitz and John Mullane were nearly crying on television on the Sunday Game last night they were that disappointed. I'd be certain they'll give Galway a game.

KevIRL

corny wrote: »

From what i remember the Galway Waterford game in 09 was an absolute humdinger.

Don't write off Waterford just yet. Davy Fitz and John Mullane were nearly crying on television on the Sunday Game last night they were that disappointed. I'd be certain they'll give Galway a game.

Davy had the team out training at 6am this morning, running the legs off them. If thats his attitude, the game is already lost for us. I'll be there again, to support the players anyway. But we've little chance

blackbelt

Absolutely gunning for Limerick this time around.Can't forget 2009 where we outplayed them for long periods of the game only to be costed a dubious penalty decision.

I think we have come a long way since then and our loss to Kilkenny will spur us on.

In the other game, despite being thrashed, I have to fancy Waterford.I just think they didn't show up and unfortunately met a team who were fired up to lay down a marker.Galway,well worth their win are Cork, have been hyped up time and time again and will no doubt wear the favourites tag.This usually is the kind of the game Galway lose.

blackbelt

KevIRL wrote: »

Davy had the team out training at 6am this morning, running the legs off them. If thats his attitude, the game is already lost for us. I'll be there again, to support the players anyway. But we've little chance

Crazy decision.He should have given them a day or two to reflect before getting them back in for serious training.An early morning training session like that will be soul destroying for the players.

I still think there will be a backlash from Waterford against a much hyped up Galway team.

billyhead

Looking forward to this double header. At least the GAA have scheduled it for the home of hurling. I rate our chances highly against Limerick. If we play our free flowing hurling we know we can and the forwards click on the day there is no fear of overcoming them. Roll on the 24th. Up the dubs:D

UpTheSlashers

I reckon Waterford can get past Galway, its a completely diferent kettle of fish to yesterday. It all depends on they approach it. Without a doubt the Full-back line needs to be sorted out, 4 or 5 of the goals yesterday were fairly simple long, high balls which should have been dealt with a lot better. If Pauric Mahoney (who had a good game yesterday) and Mullane (Who didnt) play to their ability Waterford have a good chance.

Benny Cake

Is it correct that teams that have previously met, cannot meet in the All Ireland semis? In other words if Limerick and Waterford were to go forward the draw would be Tipp V Limk & Wford v KK (as waterford have already played Tipp)

Thanks,

K

UpTheSlashers

Yes that is correct.

billyhead

D_Red_Army wrote: »

Is it correct that teams that have previously met, cannot meet in the All Ireland semis? In other words if Limerick and Waterford were to go forward the draw would be Tipp V Limk & Wford v KK (as waterford have already played Tipp)

Thanks,

K

You mean Dublin;) and Waterford to go forward

detective

Galway v Waterford
4/9 10/1 2/1


Dublin v Limerick
8/15 10/1 7/4

Kojak

KevIRL wrote: »

Davy had the team out training at 6am this morning, running the legs off them. If thats his attitude, the game is already lost for us. I'll be there again, to support the players anyway. But we've little chance

Them kind of antics is sheer lunacy. I know if I played on a team that got hammered the day before (it happened a few times) I wouldn't like the thought of being out at the crack of dawn the next morning. In my view the management would be punishing us, especially in knowing that they made mistakes themselves. I can only guess that some of the Waterford lads would think the same - they'd have to, its human nature.

Waterford will be a lot better the next day that they were against Tipp - it was just one of those days for Waterford. Unfortunaly they had one a few years ago which could raise the question of "will it happen again". I thought the same myself when Galway got trimmed by KK in 04 by 19 points.

On paper, Galway should win this but consistency is still their biggest problem. They beat a very young and naieve Clare team and then beat as poor a Cork team that has come out of the county in many a year. If they go out and perform like they did the last 2 days then Galway ill win. If they play like they did against Dublin, Waterford will win no matter how badly they are doing.

As for the Limerick Dublin game, I have a sneaking suspision that Limerick will come out on top. Donal O'Grady is a very astute manager and will have gone over the tape from the Leinster final. He will have pinpointed what areas to attack dublin from (i.e. don't try and win the ball in the air, just break it and make sure you are first onto the ball)

antoobrien

billyhead wrote: »

At least the GAA have scheduled it for the home of hurling.

A lot of Galway people won't be happy with this for a few of reasons. We have a poor record in Thurles (probably because we're playing teams that are used to playing there e.g. Waterford & cork).
It may as well be Waterford's home ground, they play there so often.
There's no PT option so the majority of people will have to drive and it's not a particularly easy drive, even with the new motorways.

It was nice to be able to go to Limerick early last weekend where we had good PT options if you didn't fancy driving. It was also good to be heading home at half six not into a match for a change.

Browney7

antoobrien wrote: »

A lot of Galway people won't be happy with this for a few of reasons. We have a poor record in Thurles (probably because we're playing teams that are used to playing there e.g. Waterford & cork).
It may as well be Waterford's home ground, they play there so often.
There's no PT option so the majority of people will have to drive and it's not a particularly easy drive, even with the new motorways.

It was nice to be able to go to Limerick early last weekend where we had good PT options if you didn't fancy driving. It was also good to be heading home at half six not into a match for a change.

Public transport to Thurles is brilliant from Limerick and Dublin though. Trains almost every hour. Plenty fields to park in around the place. I'd imagine the drive through Portumna and down for the Galway fans is pretty bad alright though.

Limerick will bring a good crowd. Around 10000 maybe. Waterford didn't bring many to Thurles for the Munster semi and probably won't draw a big crowd this time. Dublin should bring a crowd. A game they should win. I've never seen a big Galway crowd in Thurles. It might change this time with the fact ye have a great chance of winning. I can't see the attendance being more than 35000. I hate being the first game aswell. Atmosphere is never as good.

Mountainlad

Are there no trains from Galway?

premierstone

Browney7 wrote: »

Limerick will bring a good crowd. Around 10000 maybe. Waterford didn't bring many to Thurles for the Munster semi and probably won't draw a big crowd this time. Dublin should bring a crowd. A game they should win. I've never seen a big Galway crowd in Thurles. It might change this time with the fact ye have a great chance of winning. I can't see the attendance being more than 35000. I hate being the first game aswell. Atmosphere is never as good.

Is it not a triple header with a minor QF on before? Reckon there will be a large enough neutral crowd there I will definitely head over as Im sure will many Tipp fans.

Mountainlad

premierstone wrote: »

Is it not a triple header with a minor QF on before? Reckon there will be a large enough neutral crowd there I will definitely head over as Im sure will many Tipp fans.

Waterford Minors are playing Kilkenny in Walsh Park saturday week. The venue is yet to be confirmed for the Galway v Antrim game. Dunno that they'd ask Antrim to come down to Thurles.

premierstone

Mountainlad wrote: »

Waterford Minors are playing Kilkenny in Walsh Park saturday week. The venue is yet to be confirmed for the Galway v Antrim game. Dunno that they'd ask Antrim to come down to Thurles.

Probably unlikely alright, dont know where I got that from, was sure I seen it somewhere, Did KK and Waterford toss for home advantage in the other Quarter?

Mountainlad

premierstone wrote: »

Probably unlikely alright, dont know where I got that from, was sure I seen it somewhere, Did KK and Waterford toss for home advantage in the other Quarter?

Yep

billyhead

Would anyone know if there will be special trains layed on for this?

doz

detective wrote: »

Galway v Waterford
4/9 10/1 2/1


Dublin v Limerick
8/15 10/1 7/4

I recall a lot of money being won by Waterford supporters in 2009 when we were at ridiculously long odds. I suspect they might be tempted to bet again. There's a reason why Galway have made no impact on the Championship the past few years and it's well known. They also carry all the pressure going into this one. This game will prove whether they really are as good as the hype and if this game is close coming to the last 10 minutes those old doubts will begin to creep in again. Obviously in the basis of the Championship thus far you would have to fancy Galway. But if we can regroup and hurl to our potential I have no doubt that we can win.

The odds for the Limerick V Dublin game are also rather generous in favour of Limerick. They have the makings of a really good team down there although it may be perhaps a year too soon for them and they will be a force next year with a divison 1 campaign behind them. Dublin should have undoubtedly won this game in 2009 but some really naive forward play let them down in the closing stages. Doubts remain about the potency of their attack and whether they can score goals to hurt the top sides but I suspect they may just edge this in a tight contest.

Should be a great day out and hopefully will attract a good crowd.

antoobrien

Browney7 wrote: »

I'd imagine the drive through Portumna and down for the Galway fans is pretty bad alright though.

With match traffic it's brutal, why do you think we complain so much about having to go to Thurles? It's nearly as easy to get to KK from Galway as Thurles now.

Mountainlad wrote: »

Are there no trains from Galway?

Let's put it this way, to get to the match on time you'd have to get the train to Limerick and change at least once in a 3 hour trip. At €44 for an adult ticket & €22 for a child ticket most people will drive, especially families.

Unless you can hire a bus, PT from Galway is pretty much out for this one.

Clareman

It used to be a pain to get from Galway to Thurles, get caught in Gort, Ennis and Limerick, now you can avoid all of those, I recently travelled from Ennis to Thurles in about 1 and a quarter hours on a Friday evening (minor match against Tipp), although I was driving.

With the train service now in place between Galway and Limerick I guess you could get the train, but it would be a bit of a nightmare journey that would take ages.

Skyrim

Thurles is a better venue for the quarter finals. With four counties involved, there is every chance semple could be near or full capacity.

Lapin

Clareman wrote: »

With the train service now in place between Galway and Limerick I guess you could get the train, but it would be a bit of a nightmare journey that would take ages.

Yep, however for anyone travelling from the east of the county, the Portarlington route is the more comfortable option, with only one change, rather than changing 3 times on the Western Rail Corridor route.

Dep - Ballinasloe 08.45 Arr - Thurles 12.57

Returning

Dep - Thurles 19.20 Arr - Ballinasloe 22.16

There's roughly an hours connection time in Portarlington each way but at least there is a pub opposite the station to kill time on the way back.

Web prices, Adult €47.48, Student €28.00, Child €23.38.

This is a last resort option for me if I can't get a lift or bus down but at least its there all the same.

Clareman

4 hours from Balinaslow to Thurles, that would be my idea of hell, get a bus dude

Lapin

Clareman wrote: »

4 hours from Balinaslow to Thurles, that would be my idea of hell, get a bus dude

Ballinaslow :eek:

Still quicker than going via Athenry and Limerick by rail.
No direct buses.

Shame my car had a fight with a gate post last month.

Clareman

Fat fingers. I'm sure there'll be someone putting on a bus, you are in hurling country after all

PTH2009

us down in waterford dont need a bus about 15 cars will do for our support lol

detective

doz wrote: »

I recall a lot of money being won by Waterford supporters in 2009 when we were at ridiculously long odds. I suspect they might be tempted to bet again. There's a reason why Galway have made no impact on the Championship the past few years and it's well known. They also carry all the pressure going into this one. This game will prove whether they really are as good as the hype and if this game is close coming to the last 10 minutes those old doubts will begin to creep in again. Obviously in the basis of the Championship thus far you would have to fancy Galway. But if we can regroup and hurl to our potential I have no doubt that we can win.

The odds for the Limerick V Dublin game are also rather generous in favour of Limerick. They have the makings of a really good team down there although it may be perhaps a year too soon for them and they will be a force next year with a divison 1 campaign behind them. Dublin should have undoubtedly won this game in 2009 but some really naive forward play let them down in the closing stages. Doubts remain about the potency of their attack and whether they can score goals to hurt the top sides but I suspect they may just edge this in a tight contest.

Agree with everything you said but not much has changed since 2009 and we both know how that day went for the prospective teams. On a double accumulator Ladbrokes are giving 9.1/1 for a Limerick and Waterford win. Paddy Power are giving 8.5/1. Well worth a punt on Limerick and Waterford I'd say...

Diabhal Beag

Any update on the trains from Galway lads?

PTH2009

this could be a dark dark day for Waterford Hurling.

Probly **** all support at the game and a ****ed up game plan

detective

detective wrote: »

Agree with everything you said but not much has changed since 2009 and we both know how that day went for the prospective teams. On a double accumulator Ladbrokes are giving 9.1/1 for a Limerick and Waterford win. Paddy Power are giving 8.5/1. Well worth a punt on Limerick and Waterford I'd say...

C Callanan; D Joyce, E McEntee, O Canning (capt); F Moore, J Lee, E Lynch; G Farragher, K Hynes; A Callanan, C Donnellan, A Smith;D Hayes, J Canning , N Healy.

For Galway they have, only five that started in 2009 look set to start next week.

No Regan, Collins, Burke, Kerins, Tannion, Kavanagh who have all played a big part this year.

I'm expecting a much different result. Our FB line has been solid and Waterford aren't big goal threats, and we've notched up around 12 goals so far with 5/6 good chances against Cork, I honestly think we'll put at least two or three past them.

antoobrien

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Any update on the trains from Galway lads?

No specials from Galway, so it's just the regular services, which are worse than useless for this match.

Mountainlad

gilberto_eire wrote: »

C Callanan; D Joyce, E McEntee, O Canning (capt); F Moore, J Lee, E Lynch; G Farragher, K Hynes; A Callanan, C Donnellan, A Smith;D Hayes, J Canning , N Healy.

For Galway they have, only five that started in 2009 look set to start next week.

No Regan, Collins, Burke, Kerins, Tannion, Kavanagh who have all played a big part this year.

I'm expecting a much different result. Our FB line has been solid and Waterford aren't big goal threats, and we've notched up around 12 goals so far with 5/6 good chances against Cork, I honestly think we'll put at least two or three past them.

There you go counting your chickens...

You've lost Ollie Canning. Shane Kavanagh is over-rated. Regan isn't all he's cracked up to be in my view either but sure we'll see. Tannian no doubt is good, David Bruke has been a big boost to ye this year too. No doubt ye've improved since 2009, but I think we actually have a better team to. It depends on our mentality as I said before. We could beat ye but we'd need a big performance and I dunno if they are hungry enough to produce that where as Galway really should be, and I think that could be the defining aspect of the game

aidan24326

Mountainlad wrote: »

There you go counting your chickens...

You've lost Ollie Canning. Shane Kavanagh is over-rated. Regan isn't all he's cracked up to be in my view either but sure we'll see. Tannian no doubt is good, David Bruke has been a big boost to ye this year too. No doubt ye've improved since 2009, but I think we actually have a better team to. It depends on our mentality as I said before. We could beat ye but we'd need a big performance and I dunno if they are hungry enough to produce that where as Galway really should be, and I think that could be the defining aspect of the game

Regan has been excellent at centre back.

You're right that Waterford have a chance in this one, IF they can get their heads right after the Munster Final. And that's always going to be a big if after a trouncing like that.

I feel if Galway can maintain the form of the last two games we'll win, but again that's another big if as Galway hurling teams aren't noted for their consistency. It's a hard enough game to read as alot depends on what Waterford team shows up, and with Galway (aka Jekyll and Hyde) you can never be sure which team will turn up.

Skyrim

I think it will be the end of the road for limerick and waterford, limerick haven't come up against an opposition like dublin so far and i think dublin will have the leinster final out of their system, i just think waterford will come up short, if canning and hayes catch fire they should push home. If the draw pans out like that, it will mean tipp will be the only munster team in the semi-finals, leinster is upping its game.

TheWarrior

Skyrim wrote: »

I think it will be the end of the road for limerick and waterford, limerick haven't come up against an opposition like dublin so far and i think dublin will have the leinster final out of their system, i just think waterford will come up short, if canning and hayes catch fire they should push home. If the draw pans out like that, it will mean tipp will be the only munster team in the semi-finals, leinster is upping its game.

Dont be writing the obituarys for Limerick & Waterford just yet. I expect there to be one upset on sunday. Galway have never beaten waterford in the history of the hurling championship, it could happen sunday.
Limerick will hardly be giving Dublin the freedom of thurles either.

Skyrim

Oh god yeah i hope there will be an upset, i hope they are two great games, in 09 the dublin v limerick was great but the galway waterford match didn't catch life 5 minutes before the end of the game, i hope we get good games, hurling needs it.

premierstone

aidan24326 wrote: »

Regan has been excellent at centre back

He was very good in one game out of 4 hardly enough to say he has been excellent, fine hurler but IMO not mobile enough to play intercounty CB, think Kavanagh is there for the taking at FB aswell, ideally if Galway could get John Lee to show the required commitment and build on hes underage potential he would be CB and Tony Og full back.

premierstone

premierstone wrote: »

He was very good in one game out of 4 hardly enough to say he has been excellent, fine hurler but IMO not mobile enough to play intercounty CB, think Kavanagh is there for the taking at FB aswell, ideally if Galway could get John Lee to show the required commitment and build on hes underage potential he would be CB and Tony Og full back.

The spine of our defence isn't good enough, yet we've given up one goal in the past three games. :rolleyes:
Both mentioned players also had All-Star nominations reaching the 1/4 stage.

Then you go onto talk about John Lee who can't even field a ball.....

dcr22B

While it's a very big banana skin, I can see us beating Limerick on Sunday.

Both teams have changed a lot in the last two years and while the Treatymen are progressing well under Donal O'Grady, I just feel that the combination of making up for 2009 and putting the ghosts of the Leinster final to bed will be enough motivation in itself for us to get over the line.

premierstone

gilberto_eire wrote: »

The spine of our defence isn't good enough, yet we've given up one goal in the past three games. :rolleyes:
Both mentioned players also had All-Star nominations reaching the 1/4 stage.

Then you go onto talk about John Lee who can't even field a ball.....

God forbid someone has a different opinion to you, ok fair enough you are dead right Kavanagh and Regan are the best in the bussiness dont know why Waterford are even bothering turning up tbh :rolleyes:

Dublin ran amok through the centre of Galways defense to claim any different is plain wrong, the fact that Dublin dont score goals against anyone might be papering over the cracks for you, Patrick Horgan destroyed Kavanagh in about 5 mins, Kavanagh was saved by the fact that Cork could'nt win any ball further out the field due mainly to Burke and Smith having excellent games.

I just dont think Tony OG is mobile enough for top level intercounty hurling and a forward unit like KK or Tipp who are constantly moving will expose him and Kavanagh for that matter.