amir khan wants mayweather fight

Joe blogger

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/14042223.stm

i didnt even know they were in the same division to be honest

khan looks a shade lighter to me

walshb

Joe blogger wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/14042223.stm

i didnt even know they were in the same division to be honest

khan looks a shade lighter to me

7 lbs officially separates them, but Floyd is not a big WW, and Khan is as tall, if not taller. He could easily go to 145-146-147 lbs and be as big as Floyd.
Khan is a growing and maturing fighter. He will be at WW soon I would think

CorkMan

I could never understand how men 5'10 can come down to 135lbs in weight. You would surely expect them to be at least middleweight-super middleweight.

Anyway, I would love a fight between Money May and Khan. It annoys me when Khan throws them combos, that do not hurt, and gets straight back on his bicycle. It would be nice for the punches to be nullified and him getting a counter.

walshb

CorkMan wrote: »

I could never understand how men 5'10 can come down to 135lbs in weight. You would surely expect them to be at least middleweight-super middleweight.
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Yes, but most of those tall me are low weights when they are young men. The weight goes on as they age and mature

joepenguin

Mismatch. Kahn is nowhere near Mayweathers level.
Id do see something like this happening though:
July: Khan-Judah
Sept: Mayweather - Ortiz
Nov: Pacquiao-Marquez
Feb: Mayweather-Kahn
July 2012: Mayweather-Pacquiao.

Id be happy with that

Johner

I'd love to see Mayweather give Khan a boxing lesson, hope it happens.

davegrohl48

Would love to see this fight happen. It would generate more excitement in Britain and Ireland than a Pacqauio fight. Winner to face Pacquio being the biggest fight since Hagler - Hearns maybe.
Khan brings quality to the table and so does Floyd. I don't think anyone can dismiss either fighter having a chance. Bookies would edge towards Floyd at somewhere around 4/7 odds for the win I would guess given his experience, chin and superior physical strength. Khan is taller but Floyd is stronger.

colly10

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Bookies would edge towards Floyd at somewhere around 4/7 odds for the win I would guess given his experience, chin and superior physical strength. Khan is taller but Floyd is stronger.

Id be surprised if you could get those odds. Think of Floyd would do to Maidana if he was to move up to 147 and that kind of puts the gulf in class into perspective.
I think Khan has alot of quality but when you include the fact he has to move up along with the gulf in class then I think we would have to be seeing a serious decline in him in the Ortiz fight.

Frankie Lee

He will be a long way off fighting Mayweather when Judah knocks him out with an uppercut... hopefully.

Wild_Dogger

I would expect bookies odds to be :
Mayweather 1/6 vs Khan 6/1

makl

finally khan gettin battered properly. give him ortiz or judah...anyone to shut his team up!

ps just one thing that bugs me, oliver kahn, amir khan

TheMilkyPirate

makl wrote: »

finally khan gettin battered properly. give him ortiz or judah...anyone to shut his team up!

ps just one thing that bugs me, oliver kahn, amir khan

One name is german the other ain't

Johner

makl wrote: »

finally khan gettin battered properly. give him ortiz or judah...anyone to shut his team up!

ps just one thing that bugs me, oliver kahn, amir khan

It already happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpfIPHZ-JI

walshb

Wow, the board is so full of anti Khan posters. Why? I never really get why folks dislike him so much. I think he seems fairly decent, down to earth. Yes, he talks himself up a fair bit, but what boxer doesn't? Anyone listen to Lewis on Saturday night? I thought he came across as a complete tit. He couldn't say one good word about Vitali when talking about their fight. It was al "me me me me."

SanoVitae

walshb wrote: »

Wow, the board is so full of anti Khan posters. Why? I never really get why folks dislike him so much. I think he seems fairly decent, down to earth.

I like him a lot too - can't understand the hate for him.

I was a big fan of Lennox Lewis, having followed him through his professional career after the Olympics. He did have an awful tendency of speakig about himself in the third person though.

A prime Lewis against Vitali would have been a very interesting fight. It was also a shame he never fought Bowe.

walshb

SanoVitae wrote: »

I like him a lot too - can't understand the hate for him.

I was a big fan of Lennox Lewis, having followed him through his professional career after the Olympics. He did have an awful tendency of speakig about himself in the third person though.

A prime Lewis against Vitali would have been a very interesting fight. It was also a shame he never fought Bowe.

I have no issue with anyone not rating a fighter, or thinking he is not really great, but for Khan it seems like they simply dislike HIM. I guess I don't see Khan as others do.

spiritcrusher

I read on boxing scene yesterday that the "talk" from Mayweather's camp is Pacquiao first, then Khan. Linky
Could be a good move because if Floyd does lose to Pacquiao I'm sure a fight with Khan would still be possible, but if Mayweather lost to Khan first it may cast doubt on a Pacquiao fight, not that I really believe he would lose to Khan.
That said, all three fighters have some decent tests coming up so any talk of future fights is a bit premature.

makl

makl wrote: »

finally khan gettin battered properly. give him ortiz or judah...anyone to shut his team up!

ps just one thing that bugs me, oliver kahn, amir khan

regarding my post - it's his team i hate. i think khan is overrated as a boxer with a fierce soft punch, plenty of skill there though. the second point was about spelling only

Jayob10

spiritcrusher wrote: »

I read on boxing scene yesterday that the "talk" from Mayweather's camp is Pacquiao first, then Khan. Linky
Could be a good move because if Floyd does lose to Pacquiao I'm sure a fight with Khan would still be possible, but if Mayweather lost to Khan first it may cast doubt on a Pacquiao fight, not that I really believe he would lose to Khan.
That said, all three fighters have some decent tests coming up so any talk of future fights is a bit premature.

I genuinely don't think Mayweather would be that worries about Khan to be honest.

I think the hate for Khan comes from the parasites he has in his crew and management team. All out for all they can get, they seem to think he is a massive PPV draw before he has paid any dues. Low ball offers for undercard fighters and worthy opponents.
The likes of Pacman and Mayweather can call the shots like that but not Amir Khan.

On a lighter note, I think a move up to welterweight will be fantastic for him in the future, some really good fights to be made. I think he will find it alot tougher though. I'd fancy Ortiz to KO Khan at WW.

Kerrydude1981

Could you imagine the build up by Sky if this fight went ahead between King Khan and Mayweather,be sum severe s**t tallked

joepenguin

Mayweather-Khan is more a mismatch than Mayweather-Hatton at the time.

Charledontsurf

joepenguin wrote: »

Mayweather-Khan is more a mismatch than Mayweather-Hatton at the time.

That's right, interesting to see if Khans chin would hold up. Mayweathers a quality puncher.

Money is getting old, he is 34.Surely his speed will be going quite quickly?
Presume he will want these fights sooner rather than later I think.

On the khan dislike thing, I dont think he carries his arrogance well.
Compare him to Haye, when he is on chat shows etc on non boxing matters at least comes across as an intelligent nice enough guy, Khan just seems a dickhead.

joepenguin

Khan could hardly land a glove on a 30 year old mcloskey, who has a similar style to Mayweather but levels and levels below. Paul made Khan miss but couldnt capitilse, it would take a very bad day for Floyd not to cash in on those errors.
Khan probably the best at 140 which is not to be sniffed at. Even if u really dislike him there is no denyin he is at least second best in the division.

walshb

joepenguin wrote: »

Mayweather-Khan is more a mismatch than Mayweather-Hatton at the time.

No way.

Hatton posed no threat whatsoever. He was more an annoyance than anything else. Khan is way more skilled, and in 6 months - 12 months he will be quite mature at 140 and possibly at 147 lbs. More natural than the small Hatton. Floyd will be another year older, and another year on the decline.

Jayob10

walshb wrote: »

No way.

Hatton posed no threat whatsoever. He was more an annoyance than anything else. Khan is way more skilled, and in 6 months - 12 months he will be quite mature at 140 and possibly at 147 lbs. More natural than the small Hatton. Floyd will be another year older, and another year on the decline.

Mayweather will not be outboxed. Even a PBF on the decline will still have the tools to beat most at WW (barring Manny). Floyd will be susceptible to being knocked out more so rather than outboxed as he ages I reckon.

He needs the Manny fight soon, before it becomes too much for him. As a previous poster said, Khan barely could land a glove on McCloskey. An aging floyd may return fire sparingly but when he does you can bet he will be accurate.

walshb

Jayob10 wrote: »

Mayweather will not be outboxed. Even a PBF on the decline will still have the tools to beat most at WW (barring Manny). Floyd will be susceptible to being knocked out more so rather than outboxed as he ages I reckon.

He needs the Manny fight soon, before it becomes too much for him. As a previous poster said, Khan barely could land a glove on McCloskey. An aging floyd may return fire sparingly but when he does you can bet he will be accurate.

I still would fancy Floyd, but time is ticking. BTW, nobody has yet come close to outboxing Khan. He is that kind of figjhter. Speed, skill and stamina. And no dummy either. On points this could be damn close. So, Floyd could do the trick with a KO. Sure, fighters have come close to KOing Khan (Maidana), but not outboxing. I guess if anyone can it is Floyd. But IF Khan made it 12 rds, you can bet he would be right in there and it would be very close.

The PBF-Ortiz fight should show us a lot about Floyd at this stage of his career. It will be 18 months since he beat
a faded and very average Shane Mosley.

DB10

walshb wrote: »

Wow, the board is so full of anti Khan posters. Why? I never really get why folks dislike him so much. I think he seems fairly decent, down to earth. Yes, he talks himself up a fair bit, but what boxer doesn't? Anyone listen to Lewis on Saturday night? I thought he came across as a complete tit. He couldn't say one good word about Vitali when talking about their fight. It was al "me me me me."

Listen to his interviews rubbishing McCloskey after his last fight.
He is in no way, "down to earth". The guy has his head stuck up his own arse, even more so than any of the other recent Sky fighters like Hatton, Haye or Harrison for that one "fight".

Listening to him then made me very angry after the manner he won and the disrespect he kept showing Paul.

This also from a man, who once claimed he wouldnt fight Pacman, because "he is my friend". Yeah thats it Amir nothing to do with the fact he would clean your arrogant arse....:rolleyes:

I dont like "Money" one bit either, but if this fight goes ahead and he is properly conditioned, there is only one winner.

weldoninhio

Amir Khan just seems to be this generations Naseem. Arrogant, disrespectful to opponents i.e. McCloskey and extremely over-rated. He seems to buy into himself too much, which seems like an odd thing to say, because confidence is a good thing. But when he does it, the confidence seems misplaced/more than it should be at this stage.

Frankie Lee

DB10 wrote: »

Listen to his interviews rubbishing McCloskey after his last fight.
He is in no way, "down to earth". The guy has his head stuck up his own arse, even more so than any of the other recent Sky fighters like Hatton, Haye or Harrison for that one "fight".

Listening to him then made me very angry after the manner he won and the disrespect he kept showing Paul.

This also from a man, who once claimed he wouldnt fight Pacman, because "he is my friend". Yeah thats it Amir nothing to do with the fact he would clean your arrogant arse....:rolleyes:

I dont like "Money" one bit either, but if this fight goes ahead and he is properly conditioned, there is only one winner.

And as mentioned above he doesn't have the intelligence to carry his arrogance.

From a boxing point of view he obviously is very good and it will be hard for anyone to beat him on points with his blinding hand speed and high punch output. However there are more skilful and classier fighters out there who are better to watch imo. I'm still not convinced his chin has improved enough either and sooner or later he will get ko'd again.

colly10

walshb wrote: »

I still would fancy Floyd, but time is ticking. BTW, nobody has yet come close to outboxing Khan. He is that kind of figjhter. Speed, skill and stamina. And no dummy either. On points this could be damn close. So, Floyd could do the trick with a KO. Sure, fighters have come close to KOing Khan (Maidana), but not outboxing. I guess if anyone can it is Floyd. But IF Khan made it 12 rds, you can bet he would be right in there and it would be very close.

The PBF-Ortiz fight should show us a lot about Floyd at this stage of his career. It will be 18 months since he beat
a faded and very average Shane Mosley.

I see Ortiz as being more of a test for floyd than khan. Khan is a pure boxer and mayweather will not be outboxed. I hate mayweather but in terms of punch accuracy compred to the accuracy of what lands on him he has to be one of the greatest ever
I'm NOT saying he's one of the greatest ever, just in terms of his accuracy and how little lands on him.
How much if any deterioration was seen in floyd in the Mosley fight is debatable and he'd have to be shot to bits to be beaten by Khan, he's levels above him.

walshb

There has been a few fighters who have pushed Floyd right to the wire and IMO, beat him. Castillo 1 and even Oscar, who was past his best days.
Judah gave him fits too. Now, that was when Floyd was at peak, or approaching peak. He is not that same fighter now. IF he doesn't KO Khan, then he will find it quite difficult to beat him on points. Could he? Yes, of course, but it will take a big effort.

Khan is a very skillful boxer. Great speed, fitness, rangey, and tall. Clever too. Floyd will not find it easy to outpoint him. Floyd, right now, and of recent years, has quite a low output. That will need to be stepped up, unless he can land a sucker KO shot. Again, I'd make him favourite, but it will not be a walk in the park sshould Amir take Floyd's shots and go the distance.

Anyone who thinks that Floyd shows up and coasts to a points win has never really watched all Khan's fights, amateur and pro.
Show me any fight where Amir was being outboxed? Ok, the 2004 Olympics he was, but that
fight was close, and Amir was 17 at the time, facing a very experienced all time great amateur.

Back when Floyd was 140 lbs, a weight he was excellent at, I would be confident of victory for
him, but that was then, and now, Floyd isn't that fighter in many ways.

And Colly, yes, Ortiz may well be more a test to Floyd than Khan. I think that could be true.

walshb

DB10 wrote: »

This also from a man, who once claimed he wouldnt fight Pacman, because "he is my friend". Yeah thats it Amir nothing to do with the fact he would clean your arrogant arse....:rolleyes:
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What, and he's going to come out and say that?

Daroxtar

walshb wrote: »

There has been a few fighters who have pushed Floyd right to the wire and IMO, beat him. Castillo 1 and even Oscar, who was past his best days.
Judah gave him fits too. Now, that was when Floyd was at peak, or approaching peak. He is not that same fighter now. IF he doesn't KO Khan, then he will find it quite difficult to beat him on points. Could he? Yes, of course, but it will take a big effort.

Khan is a very skillful boxer. Great speed, fitness, rangey, and tall. Clever too. Floyd will not find it easy to outpoint him. Floyd, right now, and of recent years, has quite a low output. That will need to be stepped up, unless he can land a sucker KO shot. Again, I'd make him favourite, but it will not be a walk in the park sshould Amir take Floyd's shots and go the distance.

Anyone who thinks that Floyd shows up and coasts to a points win has never really watched all Khan's fights, amateur and pro.
Show me any fight where Amir was being outboxed? Ok, the 2004 Olympics he was, but that
fight was close, and Amir was 17 at the time, facing a very experienced all time great amateur.

Back when Floyd was 140 lbs, a weight he was excellent at, I would be confident of victory for
him, but that was then, and now, Floyd isn't that fighter in many ways.

And Colly, yes, Ortiz may well be more a test to Floyd than Khan. I think that could be true.

And Khan completely outboxed Kindelan in their rematch. Forget about personality and somewhat dodgy chin, Khan has brilliant hand speed and is incredibly accurate. Unless Floyd hurts early him he will have his hands full.

Johner

Daroxtar wrote: »

And Khan completely outboxed Kindelan in their rematch. Forget about personality and somewhat dodgy chin, Khan has brilliant hand speed and is incredibly accurate. Unless Floyd hurts early him he will have his hands full.

Kindelan was retired then!

Daroxtar

Johner wrote: »

Kindelan was retired then!

So he lost all that skill and ring craft in 3 months? Floyd hasnt a fúckin hope so;)

colly10

walshb wrote: »

There has been a few fighters who have pushed Floyd right to the wire and IMO, beat him. Castillo 1 and even Oscar, who was past his best days.
Judah gave him fits too. Now, that was when Floyd was at peak, or approaching peak. He is not that same fighter now. IF he doesn't KO Khan, then he will find it quite difficult to beat him on points. Could he? Yes, of course, but it will take a big effort.

He did find those 3 fights challenging but Khan was struggling to land on McCloskey, it was about 6 rounds in before he began to have a bit more success. Mayweather is far more elusive than mccloskey.
Took a look back when you said the output is low -

vs Mosley - About 40 per round, about 45% success, Mosley only manges 20%
vs Marquez - About 40 per round, about 60% success, Marquez only manges 12%
vs Hatton - - About 35 per round, about 40% success, Hatton only manages 17%

If he struggles to land on McCloskey he will struggle worse to land on Mayweather. If Maidana can land around 20% then Mayweather will land alot higher.

Don't get me wrong I think Khan is a very good fighter, I just don't see him ever becoming a Mayweather, Pac or Donaire

DB10

walshb wrote: »

What, and he's going to come out and say that?

No but to come out and say he wont fight him because he is friends with him is a pathetic excuse in my opinion.

There is no real onus for him to fight Pacman, but why start more ****e talking to duck him, everyone can see through it.

Scanlas The 2nd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvNgol-MUgI

Sounds like he really wants pac in this.

Jayob10

Daroxtar wrote: »

And Khan completely outboxed Kindelan in their rematch. Forget about personality and somewhat dodgy chin, Khan has brilliant hand speed and is incredibly accurate. Unless Floyd hurts early him he will have his hands full.

mentioning Kindelan is pretty pointless. As is mentioning amateur stats in fairness.

Lots of nonsense going on in this thread. Khan has not a hope against Mayweather. Khan v a completely shot PBF is interesting.

Mayweather is a defensive genius. He is a thinking mans fighter, Khan is not in his league and in my opinion he never in a million years will be. Thats not to say he isn't a good fighter.

He has good handspeed for sure but he isn't a cute fighter, his defence is suspect. Obviously he will get better, but im loving how this thread is being driven by WalshB's love of khan which is misguided in my humble opinion

Handspeed is not the bee all and end all. Zab judah has been a quick fighter in the past, still is. Khan may be lucky enough to be classed in the same pantheon as Zab. But Floyd is on a very different level. Potentially even to Pacquiao in fairness despite his cowardice.

Get real FFS

walshb

Jayob10 wrote: »

He has good handspeed for sure but he isn't a cute fighter, his defence is suspect. Obviously he will get better, but im loving how this thread is being driven by WalshB's love of khan which is misguided in my humble opinion

Eh, where did I say that now or in 6 months Khan will win. I would still back Floyd to win. But, I don't think it's a walk in the park over 12 rds. No man has yet walked in the park with Khan over 12 rds. Floyd could KO Khan, BUT if it went the route I would expect a young and fast and fresh Khan to hold his own and put on a competitive scrap vs. a Floyd who is past his best days.

And, what has love got to do with it? Khan is a young and skilled boxer. End of.
Before we write off Khan so quickly, a world champion at 140 lbs, coming close to his peak,
let us see how Floyd looks vs. Ortiz in September. Better still, firts let us analyse Khan
vs. Judah in two weeks time.

What is misguided in your humble opinion? I am well aware of Khan's strengths and weaknesses.
I do not think he is the best fighter in the world. He is no doubt a very good boxer.
I have never said he is the best of the best. All I say is that the guy can damn well
box. So, tell me, what is misguided?

davegrohl48

The talk is of Khan Mayweather end of 2012. That suits Khan big style. Mayweather will age between now and then whereas Khan will just get physically stronger. Mayweathers handspeed won't be what it was. Khan has a longer and quicker jab. Khans jab is about as fast you get. So I agree with walshb, Khan well capable of jabbing and moving to a points victory. Late in 2012 I see it as a very close fight. Floyds last performance I edge to Floyd 8 times out of 10. Current Floyd we don't know.

upinthesky

i love to see this fight will it happen no because khan only fights who he thinks he can beat
lets see him try to head but mayweather!!

davegrohl48

Amir Khans last ten fights don't need to even be looked up to know that he has fought good quality competitive fighters. He is also not a dirty fighter and I thought the headbutt against McCloskey was not intentional. We're not going to descend to the level of that boring question, "Who has he avoided" - but you can't say Khan only cherry picks. He has proven himself to be up there as one of the best in the division.

upinthesky

khan only fought mccloskey because he thought he could beat him!!

which he did because the fight was stopped because of khans (unintentional) head but
if that fight was to go on mccloskey would have won without a doubt khan was getting tired

i didn't mind khan before that match but it was his comments after wards that annoyed me saying he was the best fighter and if the fight had gone on mccloskey would have got hurt bad wtf????? And he has no reason to fight him again
id love to see a rematch but that's not going to happen so all i can hope for is mayweather to fight him!!!!

walshb

lisar816 wrote: »

which he did because the fight was stopped because of khans (unintentional) head but
if that fight was to go on mccloskey would have won without a doubt khan was getting tired

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Cmon, that has been done to death....Paul wasn't doing a thing for 6 rds. Khan getting tired? How would you possibly know this?

Jayob10

walshb wrote: »

Eh, where did I say that now or in 6 months Khan will win. I would still back Floyd to win. But, I don't think it's a walk in the park over 12 rds. No man has yet walked in the park with Khan over 12 rds. Floyd could KO Khan, BUT if it went the route I would expect a young and fast and fresh Khan to hold his own and put on a competitive scrap vs. a Floyd who is past his best days.

And, what has love got to do with it? Khan is a young and skilled boxer. End of.
Before we write off Khan so quickly, a world champion at 140 lbs, coming close to his peak,
let us see how Floyd looks vs. Ortiz in September. Better still, firts let us analyse Khan
vs. Judah in two weeks time.

What is misguided in your humble opinion? I am well aware of Khan's strengths and weaknesses.
I do not think he is the best fighter in the world. He is no doubt a very good boxer.
I have never said he is the best of the best. All I say is that the guy can damn well
box. So, tell me, what is misguided?

Your belief that Khan could be competitive with Mayweather. Anyone who sees me post here knows i'm not Mayweathers biggest fan. he is in a whole different league to Khan. When both finish their careers thats how it will be looked back upon too.

Khan is a light welterweight with potential to step up to higher weights. People take it as given that he will seemlessly slip into world class category at WW and possibly beyond. Advocating a competitive with someone who is an elite fighter at WW is crazy to be honest. Khan has not shown much power at Light welter either. I think there are far better fights to be made out there.

Khan is a good fighter, i've no doubt about that. But he has done nothing to warrant a fight against Mayweather. When Floyd takes a step back and analyses this option he will be receptive to the fight sure, a British fighter he is sure he can beat, but where he will end up rejecting this fight when he realises Khan doesn't bring PPV buys to the table. Thats the kicker. Fans in his own country are fed up with the unsavoury antics of his team who clearly have ideas above their station.

Khan is a fairly slick fighter and sure he will get better. But he would almost certainly be just another name on Mayweathers record should the unlikely event arise that they would fight.

Ortiz takes Khan out by the way.

colly10

lisar816 wrote: »

if that fight was to go on mccloskey would have won without a doubt khan was getting tired

Don't think we seen the same fight, khan was having more success when the fight was stopped than the early rounds. He wasn't being hit so there was no damage being done and he wasn't forced to fight at a high pace. He has come through 12 tougher rounds before.
There's no way mccloskey is stupid enough to go in with that plan and expect it to work without forcing khan to work hard

Rooney1234

kahn would get battered

davegrohl48

Khan has earned his shot at Mayweather. He's fought enough big names, has one or two more big names to follow and the talk is of 2012. The pay per view for this fight would be phenomenal. So in and out of the ring Khan v Mayweather is not as crazy as Jayob10 contends.
Plus if this fight goes ahead the bookies will not have Khan as a rank outsider. Thats the bookies in USA and UK by the way.
Talk of power and ability at different weights is besides the point. Both are talented and people would like to see the fight.

Jayob10

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Khan has earned his shot at Mayweather. He's fought enough big names, has one or two more big names to follow and the talk is of 2012. The pay per view for this fight would be phenomenal. So in and out of the ring Khan v Mayweather is not as crazy as Jayob10 contends.
Plus if this fight goes ahead the bookies will not have Khan as a rank outsider. Thats the bookies in USA and UK by the way.
Talk of power and ability at different weights is besides the point. Both are talented and people would like to see the fight.

really? Theres no evidence whatsoever that Khan brings PPV buys to the table in fairness. Which is strange for a good British fighter.

Unless this fight takes place in the UK (which it won't), where Sky can rebuild Khan's image over there then I don't see Khan having any leverage here.

Mayweather demands the other fighter bring something to the table. Khan doesn't even bring the UK PPV market. The ones who would buy are probably buying to watch Mayweather anyway.

It's not really a fight that makes sense. A fight between Bradley and Floyd makes just as much sense really.