Still Waters No Longer Running, Derp.

El_Duderino 09

Pherekydes wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Great news for Waters if the Blasphemy referendum goes ahead. He’ll get to be relevant again AND he’ll get to be on the losing side again which will play great to the poor oppressed catholics.

He’ll get the chance to go on 10 radio shows a day to say he’s being silenced.

He'll get to call Eamon Dunphy a "fcuking b0llox" again! :pac:

No need to wait for a special occasion for that!

Edit to be fair I don’t have a problem with Dunphy. But that Waters interview was a classic moment.

Odhinn

He has returned from the wilderness
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/john-waters-to-run-under-anti-corruption-ireland-banner-in-general-election-38885369.html
"Anti corruption Ireland" are Gemma O'dohertys mob fyi.

ohnonotgmail

Odhinn wrote: »

He has returned from the wilderness
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/john-waters-to-run-under-anti-corruption-ireland-banner-in-general-election-38885369.html
"Anti corruption Ireland" are Gemma O'dohertys mob fyi.

i wonder if he will be eliminated on the first or second count?

El_Duderino 09

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i wonder if he will be eliminated on the first or second count?

As long as he gets to claim discrimination and persecution, he'll be happy.

Can’t fault him for putting himself out there and actually standing up for what he believes in. I just feel he’s first and foremost, a contrarian. If abortion was strictly banned, he’d be campaigning for it. If the Catholic Church was popular, he’d be an outspoken anti-catholic

Hotblack Desiato

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I just feel he’s first and foremost, a contrarian. If abortion was strictly banned, he’d be campaigning for it.

Eh it was very strictly banned until 2018, never heard him campaining for it. I mean, if you're dying but not dying "enough", how more strict could it be?

El_Duderino 09

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Eh it was very strictly banned until 2018, never heard him campaining for it. I mean, if you're dying but not dying "enough", how more strict could it be?

Public sentiment was shifting in favour of it. If the law and the people were agin' it, he'd be for it.

robindch

Waters eliminated on the first count with a dismal total of 925 votes. Fun to note that, according to TheJournal anyway, not one of Waters' second preferences went to Ossian Smyth, the Green Party candidate.

https://www.thejournal.ie/election-2020/constituency/63/

Nutjob Gemma O'Doherty earned 1,252 first preferences and looks set to be eliminated shortly, if she hasn't already been eliminated.

https://www.thejournal.ie/election-2020/constituency/56/

The SF results notwithstanding, especially the re-election of convicted terrorist Dessie Ellis, the pisspoor performance of the hard right is certainly worth a grin this evening.

magicbastarder

there is a video on the RTE site showing dessie ellis and his supporters singing 'come out ye black and tans' at the count centre.

stay classy, guys.

CramCycle

Both Waters and Gemma done far better than I expected to be honest. Glad to hear Peter Casey has also exited. While not the right forum to ask, are SF right or left? it is really hard to tell, on balance I'd view them as Centers but only because they have views that are so far left and far right at the same time.

magicbastarder

casey hasn't been eliminated yet in donegal, though he's running 11th out of 13.
and behind the green candidate, which is a poor showing in donegal.

robindch

CramCycle wrote: »

Both Waters and Gemma done far better than I expected to be honest. [...] Glad to hear Peter Casey has also exited.

O'Doherty received just under 2% of first-preferences while Waters and Casey received just under 1.5% of first preferences. Given their relatively high profiles, and their strong anti-immigrant stance - rhetoric which has won power easily in other countries - I'd have said that was a good result indeed.

CramCycle wrote: »

[...] are SF right or left? it is really hard to tell [...]

They're more populist than traditional left or right - their policies tend to mid-left to far-left economically - they promise to lower taxes, raise spending and reduce borrowing all at the same time. While their law and order policy is mid-right - a vague promise to increase number of Gardai and while "cracking down on crime" - can't see that one playing out well with the SF grass roots.

magicbastarder

the irish freedom party candidate in dublin bay south has been beaten by the 'spoiled votes' candidate, whoever he or she is.

ohnonotgmail

magicbastarder wrote: »

the irish freedom party candidate in dublin bay south has been beaten by the 'spoiled votes' candidate, whoever he or she is.

In fairness Spolied Votes ran a very strong campaign that focused on the issues that matter.

smacl

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

In fairness Spolied Votes ran a very strong campaign that focused on the issues that matter.

The Free Beer party could have won by a landslide if they'd just put enough candidates forward.

Odhinn

Poes law in action
"Ireland under SF"

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1226822304220487685

B0jangles

Odhinn wrote: »

Poes law in action
"Ireland under SF"

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1226822304220487685

Soooo... we each get an amazing couture gown and an oscars invite?


Why the hell didn't they put that in the manifesto?

Turtwig

B0jangles wrote: »

Soooo... we each get an amazing couture gown and an oscars invite?


Why the hell didn't they put that in the manifesto?

That does seem as attainable as some of their manifesto. So wouldn't be that outlandish when you think about it.

robindch

magicbastarder wrote: »

the irish freedom party candidate in dublin bay south has been beaten by the 'spoiled votes' candidate, whoever he or she is.

False unfortunately, as that rumor seems to have started when somebody saw figures to that effect which they thought were final, but weren't.

The IFP candidate in Dublin Bay South was Ben Scallen and he receive 245 first preferences and was eliminated after the third count, by which time his tally had risen to 255 votes:

https://www.thejournal.ie/election-2020/constituency/54/

Bannasidhe

B0jangles wrote: »

Soooo... we each get an amazing couture gown and an oscars invite?


Why the hell didn't they put that in the manifesto?

FFS!

Wonder if I could get away with pretending I voted for them...I did #TransferLeft so I'd settle for a Yakamoto tux and a BAFTAs invite.

Peregrinus

robindch wrote: »

False unfortunately, as that rumor seems to have started when somebody saw figures to that effect which they thought were final, but weren't.

The IFP candidate in Dublin Bay South was Ben Scallen and he receive 245 first preferences and was eliminated after the third count, by which time his tally had risen to 255 votes:

https://www.thejournal.ie/election-2020/constituency/54/

And how many spoiled votes were there?

robindch

Renowned virologist, physicist and epidemiologist John Waters - blessedly clothed - airs an opinion on covid:

https://twitter.com/markohalloran/status/1246934520596779008

El_Duderino 09

What is it about 5G conspiracy theories that seems to appeal to people? John would say anything to seem relevant but even he must be a bit ashamed of stooping this low.

Pherekydes

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What is it about 5G conspiracy theories that seems to appeal to people? John would say anything to seem relevant but even he must be a bit ashamed of stooping this low.

He probably thinks of himself as Ireland's lone intellectual giant.

ohnonotgmail

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What is it about 5G conspiracy theories that seems to appeal to people? John would say anything to seem relevant but even he must be a bit ashamed of stooping this low.

is that a concept he is familiar with?

Odhinn

Pherekydes wrote: »

He probably thinks of himself as Ireland's lone intellectual giant.

Certainly he's a lone giant, just of what is the question.

magicbastarder

given the spread of coronavirus cases, the 5G rollout must be *way* more advanced than i thought.

El_Duderino 09

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is that a concept he is familiar with?

I'd say he certainly used to be familiar with it. But as his relevance faded began to stoop lower and lower to grasp the smallest bit of fame.

If he ever regains his sense of shame then he’s in for a land when he rewatches this.

El_Duderino 09

In a couple of sentences, what is the 5G conspiracy?

What’s it about and who’s behind it?

robindch

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

In a couple of sentences, what is the 5G conspiracy?

Basically, 5G is said to cause all kinds of illnesses, or it's a New World Order plot to control the world, or it's Bill Gates doing population control, causes autism, anti-vaccine related, Wuhan virus research center, the virus research center near Tblisi, bee-death, coronavirus, cancer, George Soros no doubt together with a bunch of other current PCT's - it's a bit of a pick and mix, whatever you're having yourself, sir, really. These things don't need to make sense, and this one doesn't.

Media outlets controlled by the Kremlin (Russia Today, Sputnik and others) have pushed these conspiracies - largely it seems in order to sow discord within the US and Europe, and damage our economies by slowing the rollout, and the consequent economic benefits, of a fast, low-latency, over-the-air network. POTUS' disdain for Huawei, the world's largest supplier of 5G-gear, is generally in line with Kremlin-controlled messaging regarding 5G rollout in the West (though not in Russia, where the media tend to be supportive of 5G to domestic audiences). Fox News has unsurprisingly cast doubt on 5G's safety too.

https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/product/c2015h7e
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/06/at-least-20-uk-phone-masts-vandalised-over-false-5g-coronavirus-claims
https://www.thedailybeast.com/marc-siegel-tucker-carlsons-5g-apocalypse-health-effects-theory-from-russia-undermined-by-fox-news-doctor

CramCycle

Is the 5G conspiracy not the same as the 4G conspiracy? Just a bit newer, I imagine it was once the 3G conspiracy and one day it will be replaced by the 6G conspiracy.