Canning vs Shefflin

UlsterJoe

Which was the better goal at the weekend?


Joe Canning's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPhasyLyKc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPhasyLyKc


or

Henry Shefflin's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynIYvhr69oM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynIYvhr69oM

jwcurtin

UlsterJoe wrote: »

Which was the better goal at the weekend?


Joe Canning's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPhasyLyKc


or

Henry Shefflin's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynIYvhr69oM

Cannings goal :cool: Hon The Tribesmen

The_Kew_Tour

Canning goal was one greatest goals ever.

Big fan of Henry but he scored good few better then that, would nearly have scored that myself with space he had, although he must get credit to make that space tbf.

jwcurtin

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Canning goal was one greatest goals ever.

Big fan of Henry but he scored good few better then that, would nearly have scored that myself with space he had, although he must get credit to make that space tbf.

True, if that was me, I'd place it far top corner :P

Mountainlad

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Canning goal was one greatest goals ever.

Big fan of Henry but he scored good few better then that, would nearly have scored that myself with space he had, although he must get credit to make that space tbf.

No

The_Kew_Tour

Mountainlad wrote: »

No

it was great skill and something you would not see everyday.

Zimmerframe

Canning's, sheer brilliance. Had it all, strength determination and sublime skill.

realdanbreen

I thought Canning was charging with the ball myself. Regardless of that, Eoin Kelly of Tipp is the most naturaly gifted forward of the last 10 years.

CardBordWindow

Even though I'm a Kilkenny man, there's no denying that Canning's goal was better!
A lot of forwards would have scored from a similar position to Shefflin, but very few display the control Canning had to maintain possession in the lead up to his strike.

Plastik

Canning's.

There was a point by a Limerick player from the left wing also over the weekend that was simply stunning.

Cannings without a doubt, It will be a long time before a better goal is scored.

I was down that end of the stand at the game and it looked even better in the flesh.

Mountainlad

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

it was great skill and something you would not see everyday.

I accept that. Just don't think it was anywhere near the best goal I've seen, or that has been scored. I did think he committed a foul too, though I acknowledge the skill was very good. I have to say a foul is a foul. Eoin Kelly scored a goal three years ago against Cork and this year against Cork, both times I thought he took too many steps, yet it was a very good finish on both occasions and people talk about both. But if they were disallowed, would people be still talking about them?

ShamoBuc

Canning, no doubt, great stickwork.

istabraq

cannings goal was good but should have been a free out as he pushed the defender over the end line with his hand on his back

LuckyGent88

Due to our brilliant defence we allowed Canning to score that brialliant goal.

BigCon

jwcurtin wrote: »

True, if that was me, I'd place it far top corner :P

Lol, so would most forwards and the goalie would have been expecting him to rifle it across him into either the top or bottom corner - he scored it on the other side of the goalie where he would not have expected it (not that he would have saved it either way given the power with which it was struck).

Anyway, Canning's goal was superb, but not one of the best ever (one of the best this year so far though).

Cill Dara Abu

Everyday im Shefflin :pac:







I'll get my coat

realdanbreen

I see the bookies have Galway as slight favourites to beat Cork. I can't see what they are basing it on.

Jimmy Iovine

Cannings was the better. It was surely a free though when he pushed the defender in the back.

Shefflin has to be given credit for the movement for the goal. 10 seconds before the goal was scored he was coming in off the left wing trying to close down the clearance from Maurice O'Brien, I think. Then he managed to ghost into the right corner forward position for the finish. How he was not noticed by any of the Dublin backs is beyond me.

It's not the first time he's done it either. The man is a genius at finding space for both himself and for others.

Mountainlad

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see the bookies have Galway as slight favourites to beat Cork. I can't see what they are basing it on.

Galway hammered Clare, Cork struggled over Offaly. I'd say that's a good starting point to answer your question!

Jimmy Iovine

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Cannings was the better. It was surely a free though when he pushed the defender in the back.
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There's no doubt he pushed the defender, but the defender was grabbing a hold of him, bar the end part of Cannings goal from the stick it reminded me of Hayes against Tipp in 2005.
The defender in that situation grabbed him as well and he throw him off to the ground.

Maybe there's an understanding that if a defender grabs a forward and is pushed off it's fair game?!...an unwritten rule if you will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vPJp07UrK0

realdanbreen

Mountainlad wrote: »

Galway hammered Clare, Cork struggled over Offaly. I'd say that's a good starting point to answer your question!

Offaly got a flukey goal in the last couple of minutes but Cork always looked well in command.I'm predicting Cork x 2 pts on Saturday.

realdanbreen

Canning seems to get the benefit of the doubt from the ref's quite a lot.
The ref's need to start treating him like a man and stop mollycoddling him.

Browney7

Plastik wrote: »

Canning's.

There was a point by a Limerick player from the left wing also over the weekend that was simply stunning.

That was Kevin Downes with that. It was brilliant. Better than DJ's against Clare that time that half the country raves about.

Kojak

Browney7 wrote: »

Better than DJ's against Clare that time that half the country raves about.

Carey's point was in the All-Ireland final of 2002.

As for the goals, Cannings is better but still he should never have been given that much free space by the Clare full-back line.

premierstone

The compusure and skill from Canning was excellent but it was a free out every day of the week and you cant help but feel if it was any other player on the pitch it would have been given. Shefflins goal was unstopable but really most intercounty forwards would have scored from there, what sets it apart as been very good was how he was able to loose hes man and drift beautifully into 30 yards of space.

Clareman

I've added a poll and embedded the videos to make it easier for people

antoobrien

Mountainlad wrote: »

I did think he committed a foul

He didn't (although it did look like that from where I was sitting in the stand). If you take another look, the defended tries to barge him out over the line (from the front) and what looks like a push in the back is canning getting his left hand out from under the defenders body.

Lapin

Canning for me.

Not taking anything from Shefflin's goal but I'd be more surprised if he failed to score given the amount of space he had.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

Canning seems to get the benefit of the doubt from the ref's quite a lot.
The ref's need to start treating him like a man and stop mollycoddling him.

That is pure nonsense in fact quite the opposite is true. I have seen him dragging two defenders on his back and not getting a free on plenty of occasions when any other player would have had a free.

Mountainlad

gilberto_eire wrote: »

There's no doubt he pushed the defender, but the defender was grabbing a hold of him, bar the end part of Cannings goal from the stick it reminded me of Hayes against Tipp in 2005.
The defender in that situation grabbed him as well and he throw him off to the ground.

Maybe there's an understanding that if a defender grabs a forward and is pushed off it's fair game?!...an unwritten rule if you will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vPJp07UrK0

See I don't think Nciky O Connell grabbed Canning on Saturday. I think he stood up and tried to prevent him, arm up, and Canning just threw him out of his way. With the Hayes one, the defender actually grabs hold of him so he had no choice really. Something similar happened with Eoin Kelly last year against Shane O Neill in the munster final when he scored his goal. O Neill grabbed hold of him and Kelly tried o get his arms free. In the process he took O Neills helmet with him but he was only trying to get his arms free so the advantage was fair enough. Probably the same with Hayes.

It might be an unwritten rule though, there's a lot of those in the GAA!

Clareman

For me it's Shefflin's goal, not for the actual finish alone, but the whole team movement, the speed and precision that the ball was moved from defence to attack was brilliant. The finish was great as well, it looked to the whole world that he was going to go across the keeper but went to the other side, he took as much time out of it as possible as well.

In regards to Canning's goal, that's just terrible defending, from O'Connell being brushed aside, he's a midfielder, you can forgive him, to Donnellan over-running him without challenging him to Dillon (when he finally turned up) struggling to get out of the way of the shot, his feet were next to Joe's when he was shooting and he was struggling to get out of the way, he could have put his body in the way.

I think I might be a bit annoyed about last weekend's performance..........

ReacherCreature

I'm leaning towards Shefflin's. It was a great team effort. Richie Power to get it down, and Reid's hand pass, with Shefflin's execution. What I'm most impressed about was TJ Reid's pass. It was a sublime assist. Power and accuracy over a long distance from a hand pass. Then Shefflin's clinical finishing. A joy to watch. Not to knock on Canning's effort, it was awesome, but the team skill really emphasizes the quality of hurling.

antoobrien

The clip that's embedded showcases Joe's individual skill, but doesn't show the work that was done to get the ball there by the half backs. If you want to compare the moves fairly go to 10.30 on this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be9rb7eC06Y

Starie1975

realdanbreen wrote: »

Canning seems to get the benefit of the doubt from the ref's quite a lot.
The ref's need to start treating him like a man and stop mollycoddling him.

Ah please, will you go away out of that.

dastardly00

I was at both matches and at the time I was more impressed with Canning's goal.
Joe had alot more work to do when he got to the ball compared with Henry, however there was some great movement and vision from the KK team to set Henry up.

Both goals were great to watch though. Everybody in Pearse Stadium knew that when Joe was running towards that ball that he only had one thing on his mind, to go for goal.
And Henry absolutely hammered that ball into the back of the net. It was like he released all his built-up anger from his cruciate knee problem when he was striking the ball. God help Gary Maguire if the ball had struck him anywhere! :eek:

Aiel

Canning's goal was better.
To people who are saying it should have been a free out then:
what about a few goals Dan Shanahan has scored for Waterford with one hand around the defenders neck while the other hand catches the ball?
What about the amount of steps DJ Carey was allowed take for a few "great" goals?
Canning doesnt get "mollycoddled",the amount of off-the ball hits that he gets in games right in front of an umpire or linesmen that go unpunished is disgracefull.Hes a big boy though and knows how to take care of himself.

adrian522

Aiel wrote: »

Canning's goal was better.
To people who are saying it should have been a free out then:
what about a few goals Dan Shanahan has scored for Waterford with one hand around the defenders neck while the other hand catches the ball?
What about the amount of steps DJ Carey was allowed take for a few "great" goals?
Canning doesnt get "mollycoddled",the amount of off-the ball hits that he gets in games right in front of an umpire or linesmen that go unpunished is disgracefull.Hes a big boy though and knows how to take care of himself.

It still should have been a free out regardless of what happened with those other incidents.

premierstone

Aiel wrote: »

Canning's goal was better.
To people who are saying it should have been a free out then:
what about a few goals Dan Shanahan has scored for Waterford with one hand around the defenders neck while the other hand catches the ball?
What about the amount of steps DJ Carey was allowed take for a few "great" goals?
Canning doesnt get "mollycoddled",the amount of off-the ball hits that he gets in games right in front of an umpire or linesmen that go unpunished is disgracefull.Hes a big boy though and knows how to take care of himself.

So Canning should be allowed to foul because others have done it and got away with it, I dont see the logic? What has this got to do with two retired players?? Christy Ring once score a goal that was a blatent square ball, is that rule gone now as a result so??

antoobrien

adrian522 wrote: »

It still should have been a free out regardless of what happened with those other incidents.

premierstone wrote: »

So Canning should be allowed to foul because others have done it and got away with it, I dont see the logic? What has this got to do with two retired players?? Christy Ring once score a goal that was a blatent square ball, is that rule gone now as a result so??

You're right lads, there was a free there but not a free out.

The tackle is supposed to happen from the side not from the front - free #1 to Canning
O'Connell was pushing whereas the tackle is defined as shoulder to shoulder - free #2 to Canning
O'Connell attempted to grapple with Canning in more of a rugby tackle - free #3 to Canning

It should have been blown up for a free in long before O'Connell fell over when Canning managed to get out of his way. At worst there's a case for steps (from being dragged several yards by O'Connell trying to push him over the endline - being prevented from using your hurl in to solo the ball in that fashion is also a free), but he had the presence of hind to get the ball on the hurl immediately after the "tackle".

Mountainlad

antoobrien wrote: »

You're right lads, there was a free there but not a free out.

The tackle is supposed to happen from the side not from the front - free #1 to Canning
O'Connell was pushing whereas the tackle is defined as shoulder to shoulder - free #2 to Canning
O'Connell attempted to grapple with Canning in more of a rugby tackle - free #3 to Canning

It should have been blown up for a free in long before O'Connell fell over when Canning managed to get out of his way. At worst there's a case for steps (from being dragged several yards by O'Connell trying to push him over the endline - being prevented from using your hurl in to solo the ball in that fashion is also a free), but he had the presence of hind to get the ball on the hurl immediately after the "tackle".

Hardly three seperate offences. Should he have been given three separate frees to compensate for the fact that he would have been denied a goal scoring opportunity as well? :rolleyes:

adrian522

antoobrien wrote: »

It should have been blown up for a free in long before O'Connell fell over when Canning managed to get out of his way.

Ha Ha, you're some comedian....:D:D

premierstone

antoobrien wrote: »

You're right lads, there was a free there but not a free out.

The tackle is supposed to happen from the side not from the front - free #1 to Canning
O'Connell was pushing whereas the tackle is defined as shoulder to shoulder - free #2 to Canning
O'Connell attempted to grapple with Canning in more of a rugby tackle - free #3 to Canning

It should have been blown up for a free in long before O'Connell fell over when Canning managed to get out of his way. At worst there's a case for steps (from being dragged several yards by O'Connell trying to push him over the endline - being prevented from using your hurl in to solo the ball in that fashion is also a free), but he had the presence of hind to get the ball on the hurl immediately after the "tackle".

lol 1+2+3 = charging

premierstone

premierstone wrote: »

lol 1+2+3 = charging

Charging? Will you go home.

Canning was just using his strength and the defender was obstructing him, hurling would be an non-contact sport if some people were left in charge.

It was the defenders own momentum generated in trying to shove Canning over the end line that landed him on the ground.

antoobrien

Mountainlad wrote: »

Hardly three seperate offences. Should he have been given three separate frees to compensate for the fact that he would have been denied a goal scoring opportunity as well?

Call it 3 reasons for giving a free, each one would have been an offence in its own right.

premierstone wrote: »

lol 1+2+3 = charging

If it was Kelly or Corbet would it still be a free out?

premierstone

antoobrien wrote: »

If it was Kelly or Corbet would it still be a free out?

Off course it would, see Im not 12 I can view something objectively unlike others, Eoin kellys goal against Cork was class but like Joe's it should have been a free out, Eoin over carried.

spideog7

There was a fairly blatant push alright by Canning but I don't think O'Connell put in a fair tackle in the first place so he probably got the benefit of the doubt. That was my initial impression when I saw it first and then after watching it again I came to the same conclusion. Although Canning's push looks to be a bit out of frustration and it was fairly blatant so I'm surprised he didn't get called for it.

Runonewon

realdanbreen wrote: »

Canning seems to get the benefit of the doubt from the ref's quite a lot.
The ref's need to start treating him like a man and stop mollycoddling him.[/QUO
What about the free taker from tipp,he gets more softness than any player in recent memory,he,s nearly and still being mollycoddled

premierstone

Runonewon wrote: »

What about the free taker from tipp,he gets more softness than any player in recent memory,he,s nearly and still being mollycoddled

English and Hurling two things you need to work on

Runonewon

premierstone wrote: »

English and Hurling two things you need to work on

Personality,one thing you need work on.

hurler_87

Cannings goal was a much better goal... But Shefflin is the better player, and better team player!!!

Personally, I think Noel McGrath is the best hurler in the country at the moment, and over the last few years. He will be regarded as the best of his generation!