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...if a tradesperson says a job costs XXX, and you expected to be X - why is it the tradesperson that's inaccurate ? We are fallible. I have eaten more than my share of humble pie, the other way around too..........where can you get real advice on this and totally unbiased, the tradespeople we have spoken to so far are all biased and giving us details to suit what they know is being charged in the area!So 1350sqf of groundworks, fairly standard job no major issues that i know of....
In essence, you are correct. You cannot quote for stuff unseen. You can only estimate. If the digger finds a Spring, or Bedrock (as in my own build), you cannot expect the contactor to carry it. Such is life. When the NRA send out tenders for motorways, it's usually on foot of someone doing in-depth survey's and core-drilling to check ground conditions. Would you pay to do that, for a house, to guarantee the ground conditions ? Of course not.OK so then in theory it's impossible for any builder/contractor to give an exact quote based on drawings alone? Correct? For example if we get quoted 20k for Groundworks and foundations then realistically this tradesperson has no idea what it will actually cost without viewing my site before building? I cannot accept someone giving me a quote based on an awkward site for example 20k and then the site turns out to be easy and simple and we dont see the benefit of a reduction in the costs?
Can you see where I am going with this? I just find it so hard to understand how these tradespeople provide quotes without really knowing what it will cost and it could actually cost less than what they are allowing for.....
We were allowing approx 20k for foundations and site clearance...mmm
martinn123 wrote: »You might be looking at this from the wrong perspective.The quote's will more likely be based on the assumption of a good site, but with a get out clause, should say Rock or soft spots be found.So discuss with the contractor what are the assumptions, and if a difficulty is encountered, then you will have the opportunity to allow/ not agree any additional costs.
Exactly, with added
mistermister wrote: »No offence, but I think you are a bit naive about this housebuilding business. I am not an expert but even I know that the foundation is the only unpredicatable part of the budget. Everything else can be accurately estimated.
You won't know what's under the ground untill you dig.
TBH, it's not the 'only' one, unless you're doing a 100% construction-drawing-detailed tender, with a contractor. There are oh-so-many other things to catch people out !! And that's what prof fees are for. But you say you won't be doing that - so where is the info to come from ? and that's where you're putting it back on to the tradespeople.You're totally correct, I am completely naive as this will be my first (& last) time to ever build a house. But I hope you can appreciate that I feel sometimes my naiviety is getting us ripped off, we have had some quotes back now and there is such discrepancies between all the quotes for varying jobs etc. that I have to wonder hwo on earth they come to these quotes.
We both realise that we are looking at approx 180k to build based on a previous post is the below completely incorrect?
Site Clearance *3% 5400
Foundation *9% 16,200
External Walls 17% 30,600
Roof *9% 16,200
Windows and External Doors *7% 12,600
Upper Floor 2% 3,600
Stairs 1% 1,800
Internal Walls 2.50% 4,500
Internal Doors 2.50% 4,500
Floor Finishes 4% 7,200
Wall Finishes 5% 9,000
Ceiling Finishes 2% 3,600
Heating 6% 10,800
Electrical Installation 4% 7,200
Water Installation (Cold/Warm) 2% 3,600
Waste & Sanitary 7% 12,600
Kitchen 5% 9,000
Built In Cupboards 1% 1,800
Professional Fees 11% 19,800
As for the 19800 for pro fee's this will not happen, but i have just based this on a previous post from earlier and it does seem to be feesible? Am i still being naive?
I know you're saying you're naive, but every time you get an extra piece of information reduces that naiveté, and your position will change.
As for fluctuation's in prices, in no particular order, consider:- Is it a one-man band you're hiring......or a formal contractor, with staff, plant, insurance, indemnities etc. ?
- Is whoever tendering for your job actually doing your job to make a margin (of any size), or just to create cashflow....?
- Is whoever is tendering for your job actually working out specifics, and pricing for those, or just generalistions...?
- Are your Tender-ers just dropping in ambiguous PC sums on a whole bunch of stuff ?
- Quality. All else being equal, it's the difference in quality that is often evident.
Frankly, imho, the whole item x item list above is meaningless, and I wouldn't build based on that methodology.Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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