The Atomic Bomb, the Rosary, and Fatima

alex73

Interesting blog

http://cantuar.blogspot.com/2011/07/atomic-bomb-rosary-and-fatima.html?spref=fb

CiaranMT

Is there any kind of, you know, proof for this claim?

alex73

What claim.. The they survived? Or that their survival was a miracle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schiffer

That they were the only survivors within a 1 mile radius is a lie.

There were thousands of survivors within a 1 mile radius. Survival within such a wide radius wasn't such a strange thing. People survived even closer to the epicentre of the blast: Eizo Nomura survived at a distance of 100m from the epicentre, for example.

Edit: See [url="http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm2]here[/url] for total death rates.

Bloody Nipples

Not as impressive as these guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha#Double_survivors

Bloody Nipples

alex73 wrote: »

What claim.. The they survived? Or that their survival was a miracle.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schiffer

There isn't a single point in that link that doesn't have "citation needed" or "dubious-discuss" after it.

Mr. Presentable

OP is correct - the blog is interesting. It is interesting because it illustrates the lies that will be told to make something seem miraculous.

alex73

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

OP is correct - the blog is interesting. It is interesting because it illustrates the lies that will be told to make something seem miraculous.

Of course the Miracle is subjective. And a number of non faith related things could have prevented their deaths. A atheist will see coincidence. A believe will see the hand of God.



I see a poster above say that thousands survived?

alex73

alex73 wrote: »

I see a poster above say that thousands survived?

I also gave a link showing numbers.

It would be miraculous if those priests were the only surivors within a given radius. (As is stated in the blog.)

I don't see it as miraculous when they were a few from many who survived within the given radius.

alex73

gvn wrote: »

I also gave a link showing numbers.

It would be miraculous if those priests were the only surivors within a given radius. (As is stated in the blog.)

I don't see it as miraculous when they were a few from many who survived within the given radius.

I checked your link... In the facts section.

"Anyone staying within 1 kilometer of the hypocentre within 100 hours of the explosion was seriously affected by external exposure to gamma rays of induced radiation; therefore, those who were not exposed to the initial radiation but entered the city to aid victims or search for relatives and those who lived in the range of radio*active contamination were affected by residual radiation."

The priests had no radioactive sickness or burns.

gimmebroadband

Isn't it also possible that the miracle would have extended to others, due to the prayers of those Priests??

To those who believe no proof is necessary, to those who don't believe no proof is possible!!!

alex73

alex73 wrote: »

I checked your link... In the facts section.

"Anyone staying within 1 kilometer of the hypocentre within 100 hours of the explosion was seriously affected by external exposure to gamma rays of induced radiation; therefore, those who were not exposed to the initial radiation but entered the city to aid victims or search for relatives and those who lived in the range of radio*active contamination were affected by residual radiation."

The priests had no radioactive sickness or burns.

I don't have the source to hand now, but I remember reading about a woman who died in the 1990s who survived Hiroshima. She had no trace of radiation sickness or radiations burns. I'll try to find a link for you. Don't believe that these 8 men were the only survivors, let alone the only survivors without radition sickness or burns.

It's also worth noting that Hiroshima is an earthquake prone city. The buildings were strong and made from concrete (great for absorbing the damaging neutrons from a nuclear blast); 10% of all buildings in the blast zone remained standing, from what I remember.

Have you any sourced, credible account of what happened to these 8 men in the years afterwards? A blog plagued with lies and misinformation isn't going to cut it.

gimmebroadband

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Isn't it also possible that the miracle would have extended to others, due to the prayers of those Priests??

To those who believe no proof is necessary, to those who don't believe no proof is possible!!!

Or, you know, people just survived... No miracles. No intervention. Just plain, old luck.

Would the simplest explanation not be the one that's most likely correct?

yermanoffthetv

Or how bout this for an explaination, as they were priests who just celebrated mass Im going to assume they were still in the church or part of it. As churchs tend to be heavy stone buildings they were shielded against most of the blast and radiation???

gimmebroadband

The weren't in the church, but in a house near the parish church!

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In Hiroshima, a small community of Jesuit Fathers lived in a church
house near the parish church, situated only eight blocks from the
center of the bomb blast.

When Hiroshima was destroyed by the atomic bomb, all eight members of the small Jesuit community escaped unscathed, while every other person who was within a radius of roughly one and a half kilometers from the center of the explosion died immediately. The church house where the Jesuits lived was still standing, while the buildings in every direction from it were leveled. (This coincides with the bombing of Nagasaki where St. Maximilian Kolbe had established a Franciscan Friary which was also unharmed and also had no effects from The Nagasaki bomb.)


http://www.pdtsigns.com/hirosh.html

Festus

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

OP is correct - the blog is interesting. It is interesting because it illustrates the lies that will be told to make something seem miraculous.

Can you prove that what is contained in the blog is a lie?

Festus

gvn wrote: »

I don't have the source to hand now, but I remember reading about a woman who died in the 1990s who survived Hiroshima. She had no trace of radiation sickness or radiations burns. I'll try to find a link for you. Don't believe that these 8 men were the only survivors, let alone the only survivors without radition sickness or burns.

without a credible source we can discount that as a potiential lie and misinformation.

gvn wrote: »

It's also worth noting that Hiroshima is an earthquake prone city. The buildings were strong and made from concrete (great for absorbing the damaging neutrons from a nuclear blast); 10% of all buildings in the blast zone remained standing, from what I remember.

From what you remember? Is that a credible source?

gvn wrote: »

Have you any sourced, credible account of what happened to these 8 men in the years afterwards? A blog plagued with lies and misinformation isn't going to cut it.

Can you prove the blog contains lies and misinformation?

Mr. Presentable

Festus wrote: »

Can you prove that what is contained in the blog is a lie?

The only survivors within that one mile radius were eight Jesuit priests

What follows is an excerpt from the eyewitness report of Jesuit priest John A. Seimes, who was in the Jesuit Seminary on the outskirts of Hiroshima when the bomb went off. It is a bit long, but makes for fascinating reading. Seimes' account should clear up the confusion concerning the names and number of Jesuits in town at the church/rectory and the damage done to both the church and the rectory:

Soon comes news that the entire city has been destroyed by the explosion and that it is on fire. What became of Father Superior and the three other Fathers who were at the center of the city at the Central Mission and Parish House? We had up to this time not given them a thought because we did not believe that the effects of the bomb encompassed the entire city. Also, we did not want to go into town except under pressure of dire necessity, because we thought that the population was greatly perturbed and that it might take revenge on any foreigners which they might consider spiteful onlookers of their misfortune, or even spies.

At about four o'clock in the afternoon, a theology student and two kindergarten children, who lived at the Parish House and adjoining buildings which had burned down, came in and said that Father Superior LaSalle and Father Schiffer had been seriously injured and that they had taken refuge in Asano Park on the river bank. It is obvious that we must bring them in since they are too weak to come here on foot.

At the far corner of the park, on the river bank itself, we at last come upon our colleagues. Father Schiffer is on the ground pale as a ghost. He has a deep incised wound behind the ear and has lost so much blood that we are concerned about his chances for survival. The Father Superior has suffered a deep wound of the lower leg. Father Cieslik and Father Kleinsorge have minor injuries but are completely exhausted.

While they are eating the food that we have brought along, they tell us of their experiences. They were in their rooms at the Parish House--it was a quarter after eight, exactly the time when we had heard the explosion in Nagatsuke--when came the intense light and immediately thereafter the sound of breaking windows, walls and furniture. They were showered with glass splinters and fragments of wreckage. Father Schiffer was buried beneath a portion of a wall and suffered a severe head injury. The Father Superior received most of the splinters in his back and lower extremity from which he bled copiously. Everything was thrown about in the rooms themselves, but the wooden framework of the house remained intact. The solidity of the structure which was the work of Brother Gropper again shone forth.

They had the same impression that we had in Nagatsuke: that the bomb had burst in their immediate vicinity. The Church, school, and all buildings in the immediate vicinity collapsed at once. Beneath the ruins of the school, the children cried for help. They were freed with great effort. Several others were also rescued from the ruins of nearby dwellings. Even the Father Superior and Father Schiffer despite their wounds, rendered aid to others and lost a great deal of blood in the process.

In the meantime, fires which had begun some distance away are raging even closer, so that it becomes obvious that everything would soon burn down. Several objects are rescued from the Parish House and were buried in a clearing in front of the Church, but certain valuables and necessities which had been kept ready in case of fire could not be found on account of the confusion which had been wrought. It is high time to flee, since the oncoming flames leave almost no way open. Fukai, the secretary of the Mission, is completely out of his mind. He does not want to leave the house and explains that he does not want to survive the destruction of his fatherland. He is completely uninjured. Father Kleinsorge drags him out of the house on his back and he is forcefully carried away.

We must proceed to our goal in the park and are forced to leave the wounded to their fate. We make our way to the place where our church stood to dig up those few belongings that we had buried yesterday. We find them intact. Everything else has been completely burned. In the ruins, we find a few molten remnants of holy vessels.

The magnitude of the disaster that befell Hiroshima on August 6th was only slowly pieced together in my mind. I lived through the catastrophe and saw it only in flashes, which only gradually were merged to give me a total picture. What actually happened simultaneously in the city as a whole is as follows: As a result of the explosion of the bomb at 8:15, almost the entire city was destroyed at a single blow. Only small outlying districts in the southern and eastern parts of the town escaped complete destruction. The bomb exploded over the center of the city. As a result of the blast, the small Japanese houses in a diameter of five kilometers, which compressed 99% of the city, collapsed or were blown up. Those who were in the houses were buried in the ruins.

Only several cases are known to me personally where individuals who did not have external burns later died. Father Kleinsorge and Father Cieslik, who were near the center of the explosion, but who did not suffer burns became quite weak some fourteen days after the explosion. Up to this time small incised wounds had healed normally, but thereafter the wounds which were still unhealed became worse and are to date (in September) still incompletely healed. The attending physician diagnosed it as leucopania. There thus seems to be some truth in the statement that the radiation had some effect on the blood. I am of the opinion, however, that their generally undernourished and weakened condition was partly responsible for these findings. It was noised about that the ruins of the city emitted deadly rays and that workers who went there to aid in the clearing died, and that the central district would be uninhabitable for some time to come. I have my doubts as to whether such talk is true and myself and others who worked in the ruined area for some hours shortly after the explosion suffered no such ill effects. -- From APPENDIX: Father John Siemes' eyewitness account, THE ATOMIC BOMBINGS OF HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI, by The Manhattan Engineer District, June 29, 1946. Project Gutenberg

ISAW

gvn wrote: »

That they were the only survivors within a 1 mile radius is a lie.

There were thousands of survivors within a 1 mile radius. Survival within such a wide radius wasn't such a strange thing. People survived even closer to the epicentre of the blast: Eizo Nomura survived at a distance of 100m from the epicentre, for example.

Edit: See [url="http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm2]here[/url] for total death rates.

http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm

does not have any death rates within a hundred metres

What is says is 98.4% within 500m and 90% up to 1000m. I really doubt their stats because I have no original source for the " medical group of Tokyo University"

Robert ninja

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Chruch protection
1 way, no exchange ticket to heaven
Robes
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alex73

Robert ninja wrote: »

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No taxes
Chruch protection
1 way, no exchange ticket to heaven
Robes
No sex*
Invulnerability to atomic bomb fallout by the hand of god**

*Children don't count
**results may vary

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Robert ninja

Or sense of humour, ever.

CiaranMT

On topic - notice how this blog is interesting in a way I'm sure you never thought possible?

Baggio1

twas a great miracle - our great aetheist friends will not understand, but we should ALL pray for them before the coming warning as they too are precious to God

PDN

alex73 wrote: »

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oceanclub

Baggio1 wrote: »

twas a great miracle - our great aetheist friends will not understand, but we should ALL pray for them before the coming warning as they too are precious to God

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Japan

Nagasaki became the center of Japanese Catholicism, and maintained close cultural and religious ties to its Portuguese origins. These ties were severed once Christianity was outlawed; at this point, Catholicism went underground, its rites preserved by the Kakure Kiri****an, or "hidden Christians", who continued practicing their faith in secret. Some Japanese Catholics were killed for their faith, thus becoming martyrs. Many of these martyrs have been canonized by the Church, and their feast is still kept by Catholics as a universal memorial on February 6 each year.

So God supposed especially saved 8 non-Japanese Christians from an awful death, but allows Japanese Christians to die?

Wow, I didn't realise God was a racist.

P.

gimmebroadband

The Priests were living the Fatima message, and Our Lady of the Rosary protected them. Many Catholic Christians don't even practice their faith today, they are Christian in name only!

ISAW

oceanclub wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Japan



So God supposed especially saved 8 non-Japanese Christians from an awful death, but allows Japanese Christians to die?

Wow, I didn't realise God was a racist.

P.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schiffer

Schiffer was a German! Hardly selective?

http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=3219
http://holysouls.com/sar/rosarymiracle.htm
The point isn't that they were all white. Im sure some of the Jesuits probably were Japanese. The point is can you explain how they survived when all around was devastated?


Not only that but The surprising survival of the Jesuits in Hiroshima is similar to that reported in Nagasaki, where a Franciscan friary built by St. Maximilian Kolbe also went unaffected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe

was a a Pole of German ethnic heritage, and a Conventual Franciscan friar who volunteered to die in place of a stranger in the Nazi German concentration camp of Auschwitz

http://www.franciszkanie.pl/news.php?id=4804

Nagasaki is the most "Catholic" city in Japan. Among the more than 400,000 residents, almost 10% are Christian, mainly because of the work of the spiritual sons of St. Francis of Assisi.

PatientBear

gvn wrote: »

That they were the only survivors within a 1 mile radius is a lie.

There were thousands of survivors within a 1 mile radius. Survival within such a wide radius wasn't such a strange thing. People survived even closer to the epicentre of the blast: Eizo Nomura survived at a distance of 100m from the epicentre, for example.

Edit: See here for total death rates.

Yes, an important aspect for survival in a blast of this type is whether you are below ground or not. If you shelter has a low or zero profile at ground level you have a good chance of surviving the initial blast.

Above ground level, and the area is pretty much scoured.

ISAW

PatientBear wrote: »

Yes, an important aspect for survival in a blast of this type is whether you are below ground or not. If you shelter has a low or zero profile at ground level you have a good chance of surviving the initial blast.

Above ground level, and the area is pretty much scoured.

according to the sources given BOTH blasts were above ground.

http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm

gives: Height of burst point
280 +/- 20m

500 +/- 25m

But do you not find it odd that the two places which must have somehow miraculously survived because of whatever protection seemed to be the only two Christian groups in the entire city, one founded by a Polish monk who died in Auschwitz because he asked to go to the gas chamber in the place of a Jew, the other with a German Jesuit Priest and the future leader of the entire Jesuit order?

gimmebroadband

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqb2igFYt_U

PatientBear

ISAW wrote: »

according to the sources given BOTH blasts were above ground.

http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm

gives: Height of burst point
280 +/- 20m

500 +/- 25m

But do you not find it odd that the two places which must have somehow miraculously survived because of whatever protection seemed to be the only two Christian groups in the entire city, one founded by a Polish monk who died in Auschwitz because he asked to go to the gas chamber in the place of a Jew, the other with a German Jesuit Priest and the future leader of the entire Jesuit order?

I don't actually have an opinion on the miraculous aspects or otherwise of these people surviving as I simply do know enough about that. It's not that I don't believe in miracles, but I do believe that they may be experienced by people of all cultures and faiths. I hope you are not suggesting in this thread that the Catholics were the only people 'worthy' of being saved...

What I do know is that below ground shelters can maintain a structural integrity even if relatively close to the epicentre of a nuclear blast, although this depends on kiloton yield naturally.

Regarding the bomb blast itself, if you are below ground you have stability on all four walls of your shelter, and a roof that will not catch a blast wave.

If you were in a house for example, the blast wave will hit the walls from the side. Windows etc also reduce the strength of the building.

Even with an air blast you will have superior shelter in a subterannean space. You are basically dug in like a tick.

CiaranMT

ISAW wrote: »

according to the sources given BOTH blasts were above ground.

http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm

gives: Height of burst point
280 +/- 20m

500 +/- 25m

But do you not find it odd that the two places which must have somehow miraculously survived because of whatever protection seemed to be the only two Christian groups in the entire city, one founded by a Polish monk who died in Auschwitz because he asked to go to the gas chamber in the place of a Jew, the other with a German Jesuit Priest and the future leader of the entire Jesuit order?

But it has already been shown that the Christian groups were not the only ones to have 'miraculously' survived...

ISAW

PatientBear wrote: »

I don't actually have an opinion on the miraculous aspects or otherwise of these people surviving as I simply do know enough about that.

But that woin't stop you givein an opinion below will it?

It's not that I don't believe in miracles, but I do believe that they may be experienced by people of all cultures and faiths. I hope you are not suggesting in this thread that the Catholics were the only people 'worthy' of being saved...

Depends on what you mean by "miracles" Do you mean "chance accidents" or "caused by some sentient being"?

But for the record I am not saying that anyone who says they are Catholic is superiour to other people. It is atheists and Nazis who do that sort of think.

What I do know is that below ground shelters can maintain a structural integrity even if relatively close to the epicentre of a nuclear blast, although this depends on kiloton yield naturally.

And you were shown

1. This was an air burst
2. The structurally integral Church was destroyed but the house next to it wasn't.

Regarding the bomb blast itself, if you are below ground you have stability on all four walls of your shelter, and a roof that will not catch a blast wave.

a hundred metres from an atomic bomb? and not below ground?

Even with an air blast you will have superior shelter in a subterannean space. You are basically dug in like a tick.

so how do you explain theses cases of people NOT in a subterranean space and actually above ground ? Hint: In one case only the "Windows" broke.

ISAW

CiaranMT wrote: »

But it has already been shown that the Christian groups were not the only ones to have 'miraculously' survived...

Only group within 100m of the center?
Where has that been shown?
Who else survived?

Festus

Festus wrote: »

without a credible source we can discount that as a potiential lie and misinformation.

From what you remember? Is that a credible source?

I'll look for the sources ASAP. I can't remember what website I found them on, it's been a few months.

Can you prove the blog contains lies and misinformation?

Yes... It says they were the only survivors within a 1 mile radius. This simply isn't the case.

ISAW wrote: »

http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm

does not have any death rates within a hundred metres

What is says is 98.4% within 500m and 90% up to 1000m. I really doubt their stats because I have no original source for the " medical group of Tokyo University"

But the priests weren't within 100 metres of the blast. They were 8 blocks away, which is about 1 kilometre.

CiaranMT

ISAW wrote: »

Only group within 100m of the center?
Where has that been shown?
Who else survived?

gvn wrote: »

But the priests weren't within 100 metres of the blast. They were 8 blocks away, which is about 1 kilometre.

Was just about to post this, thanks gvn.

Where did you get the idea that they were within 100m, ISAW?

Dont be at yourself

If God is getting the credit for saving the priests (and that their prayers also saved others around, apparently!), why isn't he getting any flack for, you know, the 80,000 people who died immediately in the blast? Including children, women, the sick and the elderly?

Why did God murder those innocent people? Was it their fault they grew up in a secular/Shinto society, and so didn't know to pray to the Christian God?

Honestly, crediting God for a 'miracle' at Hiroshima is seriously disgusting. If you ever have the chance to visit Hiroshima and its excellent Peace Park, take a stroll around the museum. Look at the photographs, read the stories, and then try to tell people that God was present that day.

CiaranMT

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

If God is getting the credit for saving the priests (and that their prayers also saved others around, apparently!), why isn't he getting any flack for, you know, the 80,000 people who died immediately in the blast? Including children, women, the sick and the elderly?

Why did God murder those innocent people? Was it their fault they grew up in a secular/Shinto society, and so didn't know to pray to the Christian God?

Honestly, crediting God for a 'miracle' at Hiroshima is seriously disgusting. If you ever have the chance to visit Hiroshima and its excellent Peace Park, take a stroll around the museum. Look at the photographs, read the stories, and then try to tell people that God was present that day.

Hilariously obvious elephant in the room for the Christian posters here.

alex73

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

If God is getting the credit for saving the priests (and that their prayers also saved others around, apparently!), why isn't he getting any flack for, you know, the 80,000 people who died immediately in the blast? Including children, women, the sick and the elderly?

Why did God murder those innocent people? Was it their fault they grew up in a secular/Shinto society, and so didn't know to pray to the Christian God?

Honestly, crediting God for a 'miracle' at Hiroshima is seriously disgusting. If you ever have the chance to visit Hiroshima and its excellent Peace Park, take a stroll around the museum. Look at the photographs, read the stories, and then try to tell people that God was present that day.

Why did he even bother to create us? We are created in his image..What is to say we have freedom and some people us this for evil. After all who dropped the Bomb.

Dont be at yourself

alex73 wrote: »

Why did he even bother to create us? We are created in his image..What is to say we have freedom and some people us this for evil. After all who dropped the Bomb.

How free where the children in Hiroshima to pray to a Christan God when they were raised in imperial Japan who deified their emperor and was completely sealed off from Western civilisation until 1853 precisely to prevent the spread of the likes of Christianity.

Most of the kids who died in Hiroshima had probably never even heard of Jesus or God, through no fault of their own. They didn't freely choose to reject him and so burn in the fires of an A-Bomb.

You say we were created equally, but it seems to me that those Jesuit missionaries had something of a massive headstart over those poor children in Hiroshima.

alex73

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

How free where the children in Hiroshima to pray to a Christan God when they were raised in imperial Japan who deified their emperor and was completely sealed off from Western civilisation until 1853 precisely to prevent the spread of the likes of Christianity.

Most of the kids who died in Hiroshima had probably never even heard of Jesus or God, through no fault of their own. They didn't freely choose to reject him and so burn in the fires of an A-Bomb.

You say we were created equally, but it seems to me that those Jesuit missionaries had something of a massive headstart over those poor children in Hiroshima.

Well as a Christian I believe those innocent souls who lived their lives in Good faith (maybe not a Christians) are in heaven close to God.

There is a lot of hell on earth even today.

gimmebroadband

That bomb ended the war, and possibly saved millions of more lives had the war continued!!!

Dont be at yourself

alex73 wrote: »

Well as a Christian I believe those innocent souls who lived their lives in Good faith (maybe not a Christians) are in heaven close to God.

There is a lot of hell on earth even today.

But God saved the Jesuits from the horrible death, which you're celebrating. Why aren't you damning him for not saving the kids from the same death?

I mean, if the Jesuits died, they'd be in heaven too, right?

gimmebroadband

gimmebroadband wrote: »

That bomb ended the war, and possibly saved millions of more lives had the war continued!!!

Well, the war was already half over. (Germany had surrendered a few months earlier.) Japan was on its last legs at the point in time that the bomb was used; regardless of the bomb the war probably wouldn't have lasted much longer.

Besides, had the US demonstrated the bomb to the Japanese in an exhibition, similar results would surely have been achieved, argue many. This wouldn't have been at all difficult to do, and it would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

I'm not sure how anybody could argue in favour of the bomb being used. Sure, it ended the war, but at the cost of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. Was it necessary? I don't think so. Was it necessary to drop two bombs? Definitely not.

It's probably the one aspect of US history that sickens me most.

gimmebroadband

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

But God saved the Jesuits from the horrible death, which you're celebrating. Why aren't you damning him for not saving the kids from the same death?

I mean, if the Jesuits died, they'd be in heaven too, right?

Isaiah 55:9

For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

ISAW

gvn wrote: »

...they were the only survivors within a 1 mile radius. This simply isn't the case.

But the priests weren't within 100 metres of the blast. They were 8 blocks away, which is about 1 kilometre.

Source?
And how does the source given above
http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm
say 98.4 % within 500 m and 90% withing a km?

Dont be at yourself

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Isaiah 55:9

For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

So, you can't explain why?

You have to understand how silly it seems when people champion these miracles like the one that saved the Jesuits, only to explain away all the horrible tragedies with 'God works in mysterious ways'.

ISAW

CiaranMT wrote: »

Was just about to post this, thanks gvn.

Where did you get the idea that they were within 100m, ISAW?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schiffer

Skeptics counter that there were non-Catholic survivors even closer to the epicenter of the blast, such as Eizo Nomura (100 m away) and Akiko Takakura (150 m away), and numerous survivors within a 1 km radius.

Fair enough.
You are saying these skeptics are all wrong then?

ISAW

ISAW wrote: »

Source?
And how does the source given above
http://www.hiroshimacommittee.org/Facts_NagasakiAndHiroshimaBombing.htm
say 98.4 % within 500 m and 90% withing a km?

The source is in the OP. That the priests were 8 blocks away isn't my claim; it's part of this story, and is always the distance quoted when this story crops up. The story doesn't claim that the priests were 100m away from the epicentre.

100m came into it when I posted about a man who survived at that distance from the epicentre. He survived closer to the bomb than the priests did.

My point was to show that (many, many) others survived within and at the radius at which the priests survived. This goes against the OP, which claims that the priests were the only people to survive within a radius of 1 mile.

ISAW

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

So, you can't explain why?

You have to understand how silly it seems when people champion these miracles like the one that saved the Jesuits, only to explain away all the horrible tragedies with 'God works in mysterious ways'.

But we arent talikng about other "horrible tragedies" we are discussing atomic bombs and Jesuits and Franciscans surviving at ground zero. So are you saying
1. they were not there?
or
2. they had super secret Christian armor?