Flowrider in Tramore

tbayers

Rumours going around that there could be big plans to get a Flowrider in Tramore, google it and you will know what i am on about! Also a Tony Hawk skatepark in same building. All meant to be located in field beside Lidos pizza, across from the promonade! Would be unreal if it came to light?!

shanemul

I'd love to see it happening, but for some reason i do see it happening at all

scout353

Why would you need a flowrider when you have the ocean right there!!!!!!

cococoady

scout353 wrote: »

Why would you need a flowrider when you have the ocean right there!!!!!!

I'd say because people would like to try it in a controlled environment rather then take a chance in the ocean.

tbayers

cococoady wrote: »

I'd say because people would like to try it in a controlled environment rather then take a chance in the ocean.

And after trying one recently it has nothing to do with surfing, totally different experience all together. SO i think it will attract a whole lot of people and heres hoping it will get the go ahead. And with the skatepark to go with it Tramore needs something exactly like this!!

tbayers

Looks like the rumors were true, check out the front page of the News and Star!

Now there are more than a few whispers circling that there will be a few people objecting based on the fact the view will be ruined out their back garden! Are these guys serious??

This is going to bring millions to Tramore, lets hope it goes off without a hitch!!

Max Powers

it seems there will always be objectors who can object mainly on grounds of NIMBYism. I think the system is being abused. Tramore badly needs to improve its product yet how many of these things which could have improved its product have been blocked. The hotel/golf course for one. This will be blocked too. Do these people want Tramore to be a vibrant seaside town or do they want it a windswept desolete place. My guess is that a lot of these people are in jobs which have a high-degree of job security such as working for the state, and dont care much about the local economy. Look at Brendan McCannt for example, seriel objector on 100k a year in the college, state guaranteed job.
Added to that, i think some people in Tramore think they are living in some sort of seaside paradise where its heritage/architecture needs to be preserved, they are disillusioned.

tbayers

Well said.

But I think this is different to the golf course. That was in the middle of Garess, pretty far from the town and no developments there! The Leisure Park however is on the beach, an area that has plenty of developments already. And it has to be better than the circus that is there for nearly 2 moths in the summer.

Who ever objects to this on NIMBY grounds should be ashamed of them selves. Do they not have kids? This thing will increase the youth of Tramore's activity which is never a bad thing.

Seriously pissed of if this doesn't go ahead because of a few mindless individuals!!!

shanemul

This will be massive for Tramore if it goes ahead we will finally have a Niche in the tourism market in Ireland

Psychedelic

From reading the newspapers it sounds like it's a perfect fit for the town in terms of recreation/leisure, encourages off-season visitors to the town, could attract major events, create & secure jobs, and will clean up that area opposite the prom which has been sitting idle and dirty looking for at least a decade.

We should probably reserve judgement till the plans are made public, but it sounds like a win-win all round, hopefully it can go ahead. They said they could begin construction this year if it gets planning.

Unfortunately Tramore has its own serial objectors and I would be surprised if they didn't object to this. They objected to a previous development on that site although admittedly that included a 4-storey building which may have been too big.

Mugser

Increase the fee for a planning objection to €20,000 for anything that has the potential to create much needed jobs... that'll sort 'em. :pac:

This would be a great asset to the town... here's hoping.:cool:

Twoelles

This is fantastic news! Just what the town needs. It will however spoil my view a bit, but who cares...this could save Tramore from the fate its heading to

ex_infantry man

totally agree i'm a tramore man and this is badly needed to regenerate the town again and attract more tourists and business to the town and place it back on the map again!!! i know one of the families that will object and if they do end up stopping this they should be ashamed of themselves just so they can have a view of an empty field and yes they do have kids but grown up!!! what they have to also remember is that the hydro was sat there when they moved into there houses until it was knocked over two decades ago and do they ever object to the circus's that block there view???

tbayers

I have heard that they have a committee set up for the sole purpose of objecting. Maybe a committee should be set up to counter act these fools?? im sure if a number of local business' submit a POSITIVE planning objection (that the correct phrase??), then an Bord Penula (cant spell:P) will see sense...

ex_infantry man

tbayers wrote: »

I have heard that they have a committee set up for the sole purpose of objecting. Maybe a committee should be set up to counter act these fools?? im sure if a number of local business' submit a POSITIVE planning objection (that the correct phrase??), then an Bord Penula (cant spell:P) will see sense...

set up camp outside the feckin eejits houses and see how they like that, or tar and feather the fools so as people know who the objectors of job creation are!!!!!

mickob16

Name and Shame those who are objecting.
This is a fantastic opportunity for Tramore in terms of both employment and for attracting tourists to a town which if we're honest doesnt have a lot to offer tourists.Yes we have the amusements but you'd need a small mortgage to bring 2/3 kids there for a week on holidays.A better site for this development would be where the boating lake is.My God what an eyesore!! But i fear that those small minded people who only have their own interests at heart will stop this from going ahead.

jamiecoins

well the boating lake is owned by bord failte and its in use in the summer but in the winter it turns to crap with all the algae etc . i can not see any off this going ahead and with the prices for accom in the summer the way it is who will come to it ? 500 euro for a 2 bed apt in august , who would pay that for a trip to tramore . thats nearly enough for return flights to spain and back for a family of five i cant see why people would object the land is vacant bar having the circus in there every now and then in the summer months

the only tourism that we get in the summer is from the amusement park and from the beach maybe they should ugrade them before worrying about any other forms of new tourism

shanemul

jamiecoins wrote: »

well the boating lake is owned by bord failte and its in use in the summer but in the winter it turns to crap with all the algae etc . i can not see any off this going ahead and with the prices for accom in the summer the way it is who will come to it ? 500 euro for a 2 bed apt in august , who would pay that for a trip to tramore . thats nearly enough for return flights to spain and back for a family of five i cant see why people would object the land is vacant bar having the circus in there every now and then in the summer months

the only tourism that we get in the summer is from the amusement park and from the beach maybe they should ugrade them before worrying about any other forms of new tourism

Surfing I believe is one of the biggest draws to Tramore epecially in the months when the Amusement Park etc are closed. Eh you a bit wrong about the algae this occurs in the spring months. The thing is to get tourists to the town all year round and not just during the summer when we normally get the normal tourists from Dublin. If this is going to be the only one in Ireland people from all over the country and maybe even further afield seeing as there appears to be only 1 in the UK so people will be drawn to visit Tramore and use it

Twoelles

If anyone seriously wants to set up a 'for the development' group let me know because I honestly think this is going to be the make or break of Tramore.

If Tramore carries on the way it is going now, I think we have only about 5 -8 years before its completly dead as a sea side resort. It now has a reputation as a **** hole but there are so many people out there with very fond memories or Tramore past. If we get the Flowrider it will make Tramore a focal point, It will once again give Tramore a purpose ...... people will travel from all over to use it and hopefully the hype will make the old holiday makers return again

sunnysoutheast

tbayers wrote: »

I have heard that they have a committee set up for the sole purpose of objecting. Maybe a committee should be set up to counter act these fools?? im sure if a number of local business' submit a POSITIVE planning objection (that the correct phrase??), then an Bord Penula (cant spell:P) will see sense...

You don't make an objection to a planning application you make observation(s) on it. These have to be on planning grounds, e.g. impact on residential amenity, alignment with local and national development plans etc. Any comments are publicly available on the council website although individual people could hide behind a committee.

I can't see this being anything other than a positive step for what is a fading resort, but I'd like to see the plans.

SSE

Twoelles

This is an interesting radio interview about the project

http://www.cjfa.ie/files/201204042010165WLRFMInterviewTramoreLeisureDevelopment%20.mp3

Psychedelic

tbayers wrote: »

I have heard that they have a committee set up for the sole purpose of objecting. Maybe a committee should be set up to counter act these fools?? im sure if a number of local business' submit a POSITIVE planning objection (that the correct phrase??), then an Bord Penula (cant spell:P) will see sense...

Have they set up a committee to object to this particular development? Or is their committee already formed? How can they object without first seeing the plans? If they have decided to object to this without even seeing the plans then they really are pathetic people. Looking at an An Bord Pleanala document for a previous development on that Hydro site, it seems the objectors know well the planning process and the objecting game; just like Brendan McCann they know all the technicalities that something can be rejected for.

I hope that the people behind this development will have thought this all out in advance and have pre-empted potential objections in their plans.

People, businesses, organisations can make pro-development submissions (might be a small fee to make submissions though, not too sure).

mickob16 wrote: »

Name and Shame those who are objecting.

Any submissions (objections) to Waterford Co. Council and then An Bord Pleanala will be listed on their respective websites. You can see who the objectors were for previous planning applications on the Council's website.

jamiecoins wrote: »

well the boating lake is owned by bord failte and its in use in the summer but in the winter it turns to crap with all the algae etc

The lake is owned by Tramore Amusements. I think Bord Failte owned it though at some stage years ago.

blankAs

ok i see all sides of peoples arguments but sit back for a little minute and consider tramore, and is this realy what the town needs?
we are a large town with no real facility's for its residents, no integrated thinking and no sense of community. now people will argue that tramore has many facilitys, yes sure it does but are these adequate for the size of the population and do they service the diverse needs of all this population? integrated thinking, ha, do the council even know these words. and as for a sense of community, where is the heart of the town, where do the local people gather for community events, ask of yourself this: what is tramore to me? Where is my place in it?
i think the most clear and visible sign of this dead town is the large groups of teenagers that gather daily in the cannons field, why are they there, having consulted with them the answer is 'theres nowhere else to go'. these teenagers display a great sense of community however, within their age groups, why cant us adults follow their example? why cant we just hang out, doesnt have to be outside the vee or surf centre, just meet up in groups,discuss issue and matters of life, a public forum, a general assembly, perhaps in the cannons field?!
people dont have money. the building such a facility would create jobs,short term building jobs, long term,20 jobs if its doing fantastically. lets just look at some other community faciltys, splashworld, never full and very few residents use it often due to the cost, €11 for one adult and child. the skate park, free and constently packed. tramore house, empty and desolate. youth cafe, open for 4 hrs a week, never seen a crowd in there, have you? playground, more chance of meeting tramore people in fenor these days.
So is the addition of this facilty going to transform the town, my guess is no. should this building go ahead in this location (the field, not the town) eh no, due to the environmental, economic and social pressures that will this development will bring. does the town realy need this or could the money be better spent on facilitys that are acctualy needed in this town cause it smacks of yet another plaster on a large gaping open wound.

looksee

What facilities are you looking for? I have no desire to hang out in a field, but there are pubs, restaurants, cafes in Tramore, shops, a library, a swimming pool that does (not sure if it still does) 'locals' tickets all winter. There are gyms, a beach that is well used by locals, a community centre.

There are clubs and associations: Active Retirement, the musical society/panto group, sports clubs, book clubs in the library, Art groups (admittedly closed shops) Toastmasters, Bridge club, and numerous others. There is golf, pitch and putt, tennis, surfing.

If you are concerned about the youth cafe how about volunteering instead of complaining? I don't know if the Scouts and Guides are still operating but they were always looking for volunteer leaders.

Locals do have facilities, but they are no use unless they leave the telly and go and use them.

Possibly we could use a bigger community centre, but that will not bring visitors into the town. The Coastguard station is languishing instead of being properly used - I attempted to get something started in there but met with a brick wall over about 2 years, so I went off to Waterford and have a thriving group (tourist based) going there. There is a specific project - find out what is happening, why it isn't open when it says it is, why it is only available to a select few and why it isn't being used by a volunteer group to make money in summer?

All this is a bit off topic. I think the flow rider would be a great idea and fits in very well with the whole surfing scene here in Tramore. Bring visitors and money into the town and the locals will benefit, but it has to be done in that order.

Psychedelic

blankAs wrote: »

we are a large town with no real facility's for its residents, no integrated thinking and no sense of community. now people will argue that tramore has many facilitys, yes sure it does but are these adequate for the size of the population and do they service the diverse needs of all this population? integrated thinking, ha, do the council even know these words. and as for a sense of community, where is the heart of the town, where do the local people gather for community events, ask of yourself this: what is tramore to me? Where is my place in it?

blankAs wrote: »

i think the most clear and visible sign of this dead town is the large groups of teenagers that gather daily in the cannons field, why are they there, having consulted with them the answer is 'theres nowhere else to go'. these teenagers display a great sense of community however, within their age groups, why cant us adults follow their example? why cant we just hang out, doesnt have to be outside the vee or surf centre, just meet up in groups,discuss issue and matters of life, a public forum, a general assembly, perhaps in the cannons field?!

You will always get teenagers hanging around places, even if there is stuff for them to do. Nothing wrong with this. The teenagers in Cannon's Field make up a miniscule percentage of the teenagers in the town.

There's plenty for them to do but it depends what they are in to. We can have all the sports clubs, societies, facilities etc but if they are just not into that stuff what can you do?

blankAs wrote: »

people dont have money. the building such a facility would create jobs,short term building jobs, long term,20 jobs if its doing fantastically. lets just look at some other community faciltys, splashworld, never full and very few residents use it often due to the cost, €11 for one adult and child. the skate park, free and constently packed. tramore house, empty and desolate. youth cafe, open for 4 hrs a week, never seen a crowd in there, have you? playground, more chance of meeting tramore people in fenor these days.

A possible free to use facility/community space could be the town park which is (very slowly) being developed.

blankAs wrote: »

So is the addition of this facilty going to transform the town, my guess is no. should this building go ahead in this location (the field, not the town) eh no, due to the environmental, economic and social pressures that will this development will bring.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you just don't this development to go ahead? What exactly are these pressures you think it will bring? Where is a better location? This is going to be on a derelict piece of land right at the heart of the town's heart (the beach). It will also be a great link up with the town park. Why would you not want to see something going in to this area, instead of the moulding looking field currently there? What do you think tourists think when they see that?

blankAs wrote: »

does the town realy need this or could the money be better spent on facilitys that are acctualy needed in this town cause it smacks of yet another plaster on a large gaping open wound.

The money is coming from private investors so it's not a case of Government/Council money that could be spent elsewhere. This is a group of people who are taking a multi million Euro risk to make this development happen in the middle of a major recession.

wellboytoo

blankAs wrote: »

ok i see all sides of peoples arguments but sit back for a little minute and consider tramore, and is this realy what the town needs?
we are a large town with no real facility's for its residents, no integrated thinking and no sense of community. now people will argue that tramore has many facilitys, yes sure it does but are these adequate for the size of the population and do they service the diverse needs of all this population? integrated thinking, ha, do the council even know these words. and as for a sense of community, where is the heart of the town, where do the local people gather for community events, ask of yourself this: what is tramore to me? Where is my place in it?
i think the most clear and visible sign of this dead town is the large groups of teenagers that gather daily in the cannons field, why are they there, having consulted with them the answer is 'theres nowhere else to go'. these teenagers display a great sense of community however, within their age groups, why cant us adults follow their example? why cant we just hang out, doesnt have to be outside the vee or surf centre, just meet up in groups,discuss issue and matters of life, a public forum, a general assembly, perhaps in the cannons field?!
people dont have money. the building such a facility would create jobs,short term building jobs, long term,20 jobs if its doing fantastically. lets just look at some other community faciltys, splashworld, never full and very few residents use it often due to the cost, €11 for one adult and child. the skate park, free and constently packed. tramore house, empty and desolate. youth cafe, open for 4 hrs a week, never seen a crowd in there, have you? playground, more chance of meeting tramore people in fenor these days.
So is the addition of this facilty going to transform the town, my guess is no. should this building go ahead in this location (the field, not the town) eh no, due to the environmental, economic and social pressures that will this development will bring. does the town realy need this or could the money be better spent on facilitys that are acctualy needed in this town cause it smacks of yet another plaster on a large gaping open wound.

First post and it's a big no, guess we know where your coming from.
Idiotic in the extreme to postulate an argument that the money would be better spent elsewhere for the community, this is not community money it is private money being put into a business, that by itself will help the community, it is no wonder Waterford County Council have washed their hands of Tramore because of the endemic begrudgery and back biting ,that is at the core of a certain vocal element in Tramore.
I speak from experience, Tramore is a nightmare to try do anything in.
To give in to your argument Tramore would be a complete ghost town, build nothing because it might not work/be to expensive/harm the envirnoment,Jesus H Christ the negativity from you is unbelievable .
You and your ilk repulse me , you know exactly what you don't want, but will do shag all to make things happen, just stop things, shame on you.

deisemum

I think this would be a good addition to Tramore and see it as something that would attract more tourists to the town so a positive for the local economy.

I live in the city but am involved in a couple of things in Tramore and think there's a great sense of community within those groups and the groups I'm involved in are inter-linked.

One thing I like about Tramore is the low level of crime particularly involving teenagers which is a lot lower than the national average.

tbayers

blankAs wrote: »

ok i see all sides of peoples arguments but sit back for a little minute and consider tramore, and is this realy what the town needs?
we are a large town with no real facility's for its residents, no integrated thinking and no sense of community. now people will argue that tramore has many facilitys, yes sure it does but are these adequate for the size of the population and do they service the diverse needs of all this population? integrated thinking, ha, do the council even know these words. and as for a sense of community, where is the heart of the town, where do the local people gather for community events, ask of yourself this: what is tramore to me? Where is my place in it?
i think the most clear and visible sign of this dead town is the large groups of teenagers that gather daily in the cannons field, why are they there, having consulted with them the answer is 'theres nowhere else to go'. these teenagers display a great sense of community however, within their age groups, why cant us adults follow their example? why cant we just hang out, doesnt have to be outside the vee or surf centre, just meet up in groups,discuss issue and matters of life, a public forum, a general assembly, perhaps in the cannons field?!
people dont have money. the building such a facility would create jobs,short term building jobs, long term,20 jobs if its doing fantastically. lets just look at some other community faciltys, splashworld, never full and very few residents use it often due to the cost, €11 for one adult and child. the skate park, free and constently packed. tramore house, empty and desolate. youth cafe, open for 4 hrs a week, never seen a crowd in there, have you? playground, more chance of meeting tramore people in fenor these days.
So is the addition of this facilty going to transform the town, my guess is no. should this building go ahead in this location (the field, not the town) eh no, due to the environmental, economic and social pressures that will this development will bring. does the town realy need this or could the money be better spent on facilitys that are acctualy needed in this town cause it smacks of yet another plaster on a large gaping open wound.

Good lord, are you serious??

First off, what is wrong with the Vic Cafe and the Surf Centre Cafe?? Since money has been pumped into both locations the two business' are thriving, and its an excellent place to meet and talk about a range of topics. Heck, even local clubs use the decking to facilitate their club meetings.

Yes the local holiday accommodation is slightly expensive, but where else in the country is a lot cheaper?? And this new facility will bring people from all over the country on a weekend break or a day trip so there are loads of BnB's dotted around Tramore that would welcome these people with open arms!

Another thing people seem to forget, there is going to be an international standard skate park built aswell, an indoor one. This will give the kids od Tramore a chance to excel in their sport and maybe one day become the next Tony Hawk, likewise for the Flowrider!

People like you should be ashamed of themselves, this will bring nothing but positivity to the area and much neededjobs to the local economy! Where else do you suggest that '20' jobs be created??

If this doesn't go ahead because a few dumb asses have nothing better to do besides object to everything than shame on you!!

And im all for setting up a group to get this facility to Tramore!!

wellboytoo

tbayers wrote: »

I have heard that they have a committee set up for the sole purpose of objecting. Maybe a committee should be set up to counter act these fools?? im sure if a number of local business' submit a POSITIVE planning objection (that the correct phrase??), then an Bord Penula (cant spell:P) will see sense...

Tbayers would you ever pm me the drivers names behind this, I suspect who they may be ,just morbid curiosty

Psychedelic

wellboytoo wrote: »

Tbayers would you ever pm me the drivers names behind this, I suspect who they may be ,just morbid curiosty

Probably some of these (click on submissions):

http://eplan.waterfordcoco.ie/ePlan41/FileRefDetails.aspx?File_number=07817&LASiteID=0

tbayers

A lot of people from the gap objecting to it! Will this have a Flowrider and skatepark in the planning?? Hope so, they might see sense then!!

blankAs

could have wrote the script for this one, can tramore people not come up with any better arguments?
yes i understand the town has got some facility but i questioned if these limited facility actually service the need of the whole community?also please educate me to the where about of this community centre? yes this town has many organisations however these are specialist groups.
Theres a large section of this community not actually participating in this community because there realy is none just a portrait of one hanging somewhere. this is a town that does not work well together as it was never intended to become a community. it evolved from a seaside hamlet then becoming the 'fashionable' place for people with money to take a break in, some of these people stayed and began to set up a community of sorts while it remained a fashionable seaside visit town. there was then a population explosion and people came from every where and decided to stay all the while the traditional seaside resort was no longer fashionable. yet tramore in its infinite wisdom decided to hold onto this vision of the town.
so how much will this new skate park cost to each towns person going in and is this the councils answer now to the relocation of the existing skate park to the non existent park? the powers that be want to press ahead with the surf lifesaving place and leave the skaters with no park, will they use this as the new park being covered? is that why this development has been announced?
this town has nothing much to offer the type of people we need to be attracting, first of foreign people as we need outside money, and secondly the older people as they are the people who hold the money, all this is know by failte ireland however they choose to ignore tramore. tramore had its own tourism development company for many many years and this company developed the package of tramore and the facility's it should offer although coming up against much opposition and obstacles over the years. this company was a state owned and was part of a bigger plan, it would implement the structures needed and the structures would be run by the community, but like other social planning models it didn't not work and failed on a grand scale in tramore, it had successes however in other resorts it was implemented in. this is a fragmented fractured town with no vision, or mission or forward thinking integrated planning or future goals or aims and most of all no leadership.
a strong community cannot exist with out a strong leader without one the people all run wild off into the fields without purpose. this town needs to re-evaluate itself as to what it is, and what it wants to be. do the majority of this town want it to be a seaside resort or do they want a community all year round. do the people want facility's that are aimed at tourists or aimed at its citizens? i noticed one comment referred to the beach being the heart of the town, is this so? do we want the town to be serviced by private money or could it ever be that the people of tramore unite and service themselves?

tbayers

You really are out of the picture for a person that is so community based!

First off lets get the facts straight about the existing skate park. The new surf lifesaving centre will be located at the previous site of the skate park. BUT, the existing skate park will be moved 20 metres down towards the public toilets, the space currently occupied by the oh so busy bus parking facilities. This movement and relocation of the skatepark will be completed before a sod is turned on the lifesaving building.

I presume you are one of these people objecting to the new lifesaving building? On what grounds?? it will provide a free service to the young kids of Tramore. A vital one I may add, as it will teach many kids the dangers of the sea in a safe environment! It will also give a chance to the older people of Tramore to get involved, giving people like you a chance to get involved in the community!

You seem to have the total wrong idea of this new development too. It will attract a lot of foreign people to Tramore. It will be the biggest skatepark in Ireland and it will have the only Flowrider in the country, an attraction that will attract many people from across the pond! Yes it will have a cost to it but I am very confident it will have extremely kind membership offers that locals can avail of!

You seem to want a community service that costs little to use! What planet are you on? In todays world there arent many things that are free to use!


Your last paragraph puzzles me big time. You state the following:
"a strong community cannot exist with out a strong leader without one the people all run wild off into the fields without purpose. this town needs to re-evaluate itself as to what it is, and what it wants to be. do the majority of this town want it to be a seaside resort or do they want a community all year round. do the people want facility's that are aimed at tourists or aimed at its citizens? i noticed one comment referred to the beach being the heart of the town, is this so? do we want the town to be serviced by private money or could it ever be that the people of tramore unite and service themselves?"

First of, why aren't you one of these strong leaders, since you have such "great" ideas why don't you do anything about them? And again why has this new facility have to be a seasonal one? It will probably be busier in the depths of Winter because it will be one of the few places in Ireland where you will be able to spend the day doing something fun indoors! And the beach is the heart of the town, take away the beach and you aint got a town!!

So to sum it up:

• Are you against the new surf lifesaving building, a free community service?
• Why don't you do something about this so called problem in the community?
• Have you any idea at all what this new facility will contain? You seem oblivious to the fact that it will provide secure long term jobs and finacial stability to Tramore's business year round!
• Do you live on the moon or up your arse?

I get worried about the future of Tramore when I read posts like the ones you posted today!

wellboytoo

I have been reading BlankAs's posts and I don't know if he is , a Facist, a Communist, A Dictator, An Idiot,? He is definitely not a capitalist, as he only uses four in his two large posts! His posts wander all over the shop, and like a lot of these posts he totally ignores the solid arguments that are proposed by other posters to his statements.
It makes you think what a mess a person like this can do to a planning proposal, when no amount of reasoning will work, because they do not hear you, they have only one track.

looksee

OP you still haven't told us exactly what you want. You have done a lot of waffling, and told us about things that don't work, but not what you consider will work.

yes i understand the town has got some facility but i questioned if these limited facility actually service the need of the whole community?also please educate me to the where about of this community centre? yes this town has many organisations however these are specialist groups.

You seem to suggest that there needs to be some sort of single magical organisation that will entertain everyone at once? How will this happen? Of course the organisations are specialist groups, everyone has their own interest, maybe one of those specialties will suit you?

I suspect from your English it is not your first language, and you are what the Irish call a 'blow in'. This is someone who was not born in Tramore, and all his ancestors before him. Most of us are blow-ins to Tramore, its a dormitory town. Some of us are blow-ins to Ireland (including me).

You will never be 'part' of the community here in the same way you felt part of the community wherever you left. You have to ignore that little niggle of solitude and just make the best of it. If you want to change the whole community so you feel part of it, that isn't going to happen. All you can do is find a little niche where you do feel comfortable.

Maybe I am wrong about that, but it really isn't clear exactly what you want. If you were to start a group it would be another of the specialities you complain about.

The Community centre by the way is opposite Stella Maris school, backing on to the Tramore House park. It is just a building, it isn't a solution to a sense of community in itself. It is a place where people can have meetings etc. How it is used is up to the people who use it. There are lots of other places around the town where people can meet, but there needs to be a purpose to that meeting, and that is up to individuals - maybe you?

Psychedelic

blankAs wrote: »

also please educate me to the where about of this community centre? yes this town has many organisations however these are specialist groups.

What's wrong with specialist groups? They represent certain interests but together they serve the whole town. There's the tidy towns, business groups for tourism/business, the Council, heritage & arts groups, scouts, sports clubs, active retirement group, all doing their own thing. There could be more joined up thinking but there is a lot of collaboration between these groups, and the Council are currently in the process of producing a Tramore Action Plan which will consult with everyone and I hope will bring everyone together behind a common vision for the town and have something for everyone to get involved in helping with.

There is one community centre in Riverstown, which is used by Klub Musik and others for various community events/meetings. I'm sure there are others in other parts of the town.

blankAs wrote: »

Theres a large section of this community not actually participating in this community because there realy is none just a portrait of one hanging somewhere.

What is the large section not participating? Older people?

blankAs wrote: »

this town has nothing much to offer the type of people we need to be attracting, first of foreign people as we need outside money, and secondly the older people as they are the people who hold the money, all this is know by failte ireland however they choose to ignore tramore.

Like I said earlier the beach is the heart of this town, not just literally but figuratively. It's the town's identity and the reason it exists in the first place and it's a major Irish amenity for residents and visitors. So it should play to its strengths and target those who will come to use the beach and environs - young people, surfers, skaters, those into outdoor pursuits. I'm not saying we shouldn't try attracting more older people too.

I don't agree that Failte Ireland ignore us. They have funded lots of things for Tramore and have the town properly featured in their marketing materials.

blankAs wrote: »

do the majority of this town want it to be a seaside resort or do they want a community all year round. do the people want facility's that are aimed at tourists or aimed at its citizens?

It can be both.

blankAs wrote: »

do we want the town to be serviced by private money or could it ever be that the people of tramore unite and service themselves?

Every town needs private investment, public sector investment and the community doing it for themselves. It doesn't have to be one or the other, and you can't develop the town purely by just the community uniting. Do you think the residents could raise millions to build the facilities you want? What facilities would you like to see that we don't already have?

scout353

If this brings business to Tramore, happy days. we should be welcoming it with open arms.

This is a unique opportunity to bring top class facilities to Tramore which will provide year round tourism opportunities for the town.

It is being funded by private investment so there is no public money being invested.

People should be congratulating the promoters rather than castigating them.

I for one will be out with the flags and bunting!

Bring it on!

ex_infantry man

the flowrider and skate park is what tramore needs to regenerate the town and start attracting large competitions and skate events to the town internationally!!! i'm as i said earlier a born and bred tramore man and the only person in my family currently still in employment!!! my older brother could definately benefit from the flowrider and skate park as he has grown up doin both surfing and skating all his life and is very talented at both and i think this could put his two feet back on solid ground instead of worrying where the next mortgage payment is goin to come from and like many other local lads in the town who are talented surfers and skaters that could bring something to this!!! the campaigners that will be against this should be ashamed of themselves and they also have to remember that they too have kids that had to emigrate because of no work and i know good few of em that are from "THE GAP" that are now in oz and have been for a good while!!!.

Mugser

jupiter85

flowrider house ltd....who are they? Is it mr burns? ha. sounds cool if it happens.

ex_infantry man

jupiter85 wrote: »

flowrider house ltd....who are they? Is it mr burns? ha. sounds cool if it happens.

its flowhouse ltd not flowrider house!!!

jupiter85

I knew i would get pulled on that! The slightest hiccup and someone will pull you on it! It says on and the planning application link....A & N Coryell?

Not sure if its going in the right place....havent seen the plans and have no idea how big its going to be. But it would be better if it was in that ugly car park thats beside it. I wish all that area was to be kept clear. Tramore would look much better .It going to make the beach area feel congested-im not against it.It was great when that was playground. I hope its not another white elephant like Celtworld!.

jupiter85

by clear i mean landscaped...not the way it is at the moment!

Psychedelic

jupiter85 wrote: »

I knew i would get pulled on that! The slightest hiccup and someone will pull you on it! It says on and the planning application link....A & N Coryell?

The link I posted earlier in this thread was for a different planning application but on the same location, not for the Flowrider application - I don't think that's up on the Council's website yet.

blankAs

dont know why ye are all getting so excited. remember the plans for the cinema, dunnes stores, hotel in the railway station, the new race course, aldi, town park, halting site, beach ring road, access to metal man/cliff walk, redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc), retail units on new road, fully occupied and functioning business park just to name a few off the top of my head, do feel free to add to the list...... could provide for an interesting newspaper article!

deisemum

blankAs wrote: »

dont know why ye are all getting so excited. remember the plans for the cinema, dunnes stores, hotel in the railway station, the new race course, aldi, town park, halting site, beach ring road, access to metal man/cliff walk, redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc), retail units on new road, fully occupied and functioning business park just to name a few off the top of my head, do feel free to add to the list...... could provide for an interesting newspaper article!

Have the serial objectors objected to all of those applications?

blankAs

no, most are due to lack of joined up thinking, lack of money and general disregard for the people of tramore. the planing system allows for people to object if they feel that a part of a new development is not suitable for what ever reason they might have. the planning department will consider these submissions when they are making their decisions but the objections do not bind them when making a decision. the planning system is there to allow for the public to have a say in the development of their area. we may have some very public objectors but where are the very public supporters of any of these projects?

Psychedelic

blankAs wrote: »

dont know why ye are all getting so excited. remember the plans for the cinema, dunnes stores, hotel in the railway station, the new race course, aldi, town park, halting site, beach ring road, access to metal man/cliff walk, redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc), retail units on new road, fully occupied and functioning business park just to name a few off the top of my head, do feel free to add to the list...... could provide for an interesting newspaper article!

• cinema, dunnes stores - would've gone ahead only for the economic downturn.
• hotel in the railway station - never heard about a hotel in there, wouldn't be suitable anyway, and it's a listed building so you couldn't do much with it.
• the new race course - still going ahead I think, just no money at the moment.
• aldi - refused by An Bord Pleanala, probably for the best anyway.
• town park - it's taking ages, but it's definitely going ahead. The entrance is complete.
• halting site - never heard anything about a halting site for Tramore.
• beach ring road - you mean the relief road through Somervillle? It's almost complete, one section left to be done, will be done eventually.
• access to metal man/cliff walk - definitely going ahead, news about this was announced recently.
• redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town (salabis, hot pot, tramore hotel, londis site etc) - shame about these alright. Hopefully tidy towns will get around to looking at them buildings.
• retail units on new road - never heard of them?
• fully occupied and functioning business park - do you mean Riverstown Industrial Estate? Loads of businesses down there, I see a few new buildings going up there too. Has to be the biggest success story for Tramore in the past decade, one thing the Council got right. I don't think there are too many vacant units.

As for the Flowrider, I'd agree people shouldn't get carried away thinking it will definitely happen, but you never know, it might.

Some things that have been completed: Tesco, Lidl, Summerhill Centre, new buildings at the Pavillion and the Prom (surf shops, toilets, beauty spa, skate park).

blankAs

cinema, dunnes stores - who owns the access land?? not the developers.
hotel in the railway station - plans were announced years ago by a private dublin company.
the new race course - why begin if ya dont have the money to complete? why pump a million into a field?
aldi - why announce if ya dont have any chance of planning?
town park - back to the race course point, why begin if theres no money available to complete
halting site - never heard anything about a halting site for Tramore because no body wants to talk bout it. tramore has traditionaly been on the travellers route but have been turned around as they come into the town in recent years. what dja think the amusement park started out of ??? anyone remember the trailers down by the arcade some years ago?
beach ring road - you mean the relief road through Somervillle?yep this one. again who owns the land?
access to metal man/cliff walk - announced many years ago too and still nothing
redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town - why must we wait on the tidy towns, get out there people with some paint and do it
retail units on new road - half finished ones beside little stars......
fully occupied and functioning business park - do you mean Riverstown Industrial Estate? i do, it is not full and there are recently closed and some just about to close. talk to some of the business owners bout the rates they are paying they are laughable.

love the completed list, well iv sure been told!

oh and another, the surf centre was build with community money and with community grants to be used as a community building, why now is it operating as a private entity??

Psychedelic

blankAs wrote: »

cinema, dunnes stores - who owns the access land?? not the developers.

I think the owners are called Volute, but that site is probably in NAMA now.

blankAs wrote: »

the new race course - why begin if ya dont have the money to complete? why pump a million into a field?

The same reason housing estates were left unfinished, money just ran out. When plans were made it wasn't forseen that the money would no longer be there.

blankAs wrote: »

aldi - why announce if ya dont have any chance of planning?

It wasn't announced as if it was definitely going to be built. Plans were made public because that's the law and planning process. The Co. Council approved the planning. It was only because An Bord Pleanala rejected the plans that it didn't go ahead.

blankAs wrote: »

town park - back to the race course point, why begin if theres no money available to complete

It will take a few more years to complete, but the town park will go ahead. There's still money around through different sources.

blankAs wrote: »

halting site - never heard anything about a halting site for Tramore because no body wants to talk bout it. tramore has traditionaly been on the travellers route but have been turned around as they come into the town in recent years. what dja think the amusement park started out of ??? anyone remember the trailers down by the arcade some years ago?

Don't know what you're on about to be honest. Do you just mean a bunch of travellers vehicles setting up where they want? There's no halting site in Tramore.

blankAs wrote: »

beach ring road - you mean the relief road through Somervillle?yep this one. again who owns the land?

I don't know who owns the land. I think the delay in completing the last section of the road is some sort of thing between the Council and the land owner.

blankAs wrote: »

access to metal man/cliff walk - announced many years ago too and still nothing

Well it is definitely going to happen now. Tramore Tourism were on WLR recently about it, they got all the legalities relating to the access all sorted. There are plans in place and I'd be very confident we'll see progress over the next couple of years.

blankAs wrote: »

redevelopment plans for derelict buildings around the town - why must we wait on the tidy towns, get out there people with some paint and do it

But that's what Tidy Towns is, the people who are "getting out there and doing it" - they just can't do everything and they are trying to get more people on board to help them out.

blankAs wrote: »

retail units on new road - half finished ones beside little stars......

little stars?

blankAs wrote: »

fully occupied and functioning business park - do you mean Riverstown Industrial Estate? i do, it is not full and there are recently closed and some just about to close. talk to some of the business owners bout the rates they are paying they are laughable.

Businesses are closing down everywhere. The Industrial Estate still got built though didn't it? I agree that rates are too high.

blankAs wrote: »

love the completed list, well iv sure been told!

I was just giving you some examples of things that did get built.

blankAs wrote: »

oh and another, the surf centre was build with community money and with community grants to be used as a community building, why now is it operating as a private entity??

I don't know anything about that.

jupiter85

blankAs wrote: »

oh and another, the surf centre was build with community money and with community grants to be used as a community building, why now is it operating as a private entity??

True. So is there no surf club in Tramore? Thats a shame.

So was Splashworld, i think shares were sold to the community. Does someone own it or is the council running it?