Define a hero

cesc77

I had a disagreement in work over the pilots who landed in the Hudson saving all on board.Pilots have a very well paid job and they know the risks.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-01-16/news/17196641_1_sullenberger-passengers-plane


I wouldnt classify them as heroes as they were trying to save their own skins also.If they had landed knowing that they were going to die to save the passengers,then yes,hero status granted.

Hero says to me stepping in front of a bullet to save a child or a soldier diving onto a grenade to save colleagues.

Oh,and you cant tell me that the pilots werent thinking of book deals and tv interviews before,during or in the aftermath of the landing.:rolleyes:

A hero nowadays may have financial motives in mind.

Are you a hero if you stay anonymous?

galwayrush

My wife's a hero for fighting and beating the big C. 8 times.:cool:

OutlawPete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jLPeVX7N9A

Chris Hansen

cesc77 wrote: »

Are you an hero if you stay anonymous?

FYP

J. Marston

cesc77 wrote: »

Oh,and you cant tell me that the pilots werent thinking of book deals and tv interviews before,during or in the aftermath of the landing.:rolleyes:

I seriously doubt Sullenburger was thinking: "I hope to fùck a bird clogs the engine and I land the plane on a frozen river, ker-ching!"
Or while it was happening, I'd say he was a little too busy to be thinking of book deals.

In the aftermath? Maybe, I dunno.

starbelgrade

cesc77 wrote: »

Hero says to me stepping in front of a bullet to save a child

Fuck that shit. Kids are resiliant. Let 'em take the bullet.

Chris Hansen

starbelgrade wrote: »

Fuck that shit. Kids are resiliant. Let 'em take the bullet.

Christian Brother much?

Kojak

This is, according to google, the definition of hero.

cesc77

Chris Hansen wrote: »

FYP

You are my grammar hero.As gramatically correct as you may think you are,do we speak this way in everyday life?

strobe

I think it's putting yourself at risk, when it would be much easier to walk away, for someone else.

Like this guy.

http://xnepali.com/a-gurkha-soldier-who-fought-40-train-robbers-to-be-felicitated-in-the-republic-day-of-india/

Bishnu Shrestha, a brave Gurkha soldier in Indian Army, defeated 30 train robbers while returning home after a voluntary retirement. The Indian army, is going to awarded Bishnu with Sourya Chakra, Bravery Award and Sarvottam Jeevan Raksha medals during the Indian Republic Day celebration on January 26 .

While in the train, Maurya Express from Ranchi to Gorakhpur, on September 2, 2010, 35 year-old Bishnu saved a girl about to be raped by the train robbers in front of her helpless parents. After looting the train, when the robbers started to strip a 18 year old girl in front of him, he couldn’t contain his calmness. He took out his khukari and took on the a group of 30 robbers, alone. In the fight, he killed three of dacoits and injured eight others. Remaining dacoits fled the scene to save their lives.

The police arrested the eight injured dacoits and recovered Rs. 400,000 in cash, 40 gold necklaces, 200 cell phones, 40 laptops and other items left by the robbers while fleeing the train.

In recognition to his bravery, his regiment has given Bishnu a cash reward of Rs. 50,000 and it has also terminated his voluntary retirement, so that he could get a customary promotion after he receives the medals. In addition to that, he will also receive a cash rewards from the government, special discounts in international air tickets, and discounts in Indian railways train tickets.

starbelgrade

Chris Hansen wrote: »

Christian Brother much?

I really hope that expression doesn't catch on.

Chris Hansen

cesc77 wrote: »

You are my grammar hero.As gramatically correct as you may think you are,do we speak this way in everyday life?

You dont frequent encylopedia dramatica or urban dictionary much do you?

Chris Hansen

starbelgrade wrote: »

I really hope that expression doesn't catch on.

Nor do I your child protection stance

pragmatic1

Anyone who puts others before themselves (not all the time but when someone needs help). Anyone who stands up for what they think is right no matter how unpopular it might make them. Both parents would have these traits.

cesc77

J. Marston wrote: »

I seriously doubt Sullenburger was thinking: "I hope to fùck a bird clogs the engine and I land the plane on a frozen river, ker-ching!"
Or while it was happening, I'd say he was a little too busy to be thinking of book deals.

In the aftermath? Maybe, I dunno.

Yeah,Im sure pilots never talk about that sort of thing in their downtime.Nor will they have knowledge about the riskier crash landings and the chances of everyone surviving.

Im sure it flew through his head though,that if I can land this ...Ill be set for life.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I hear what you are saying OP but he made a very tough decision by landing in the hudson

He thought about going back to the airport to land, which there was a decent chance he could have done, but there was also a risk that he wouldnt have made it and so could have crashed in a built up area and lost a lot of lives

It's ok talking about belly diving in training but when have you seen a commercial airliner do that and tbh I think with my personality I would have thought "sure it'll be grand, we'l probably make the airport"

I think he did a great job and no one was evem injured so I'll give him his kudos

Zebra3

As someone who writes garbage for The Sun, my definition of a hero is someone from the West who kills people in the Middle East.

NotSoSeriously

OP, Chesley Sullenberger is a hero. That you would dare to deny that fact leads me to believe you might be a little bit short changed in the oul thinking area.

starbelgrade

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

OP, Chesley Sullenberger is a hero. That you would dare to deny that fact leads me to believe you might be a little bit short changed in the oul thinking area.

In other words, "If you disagree with me, you're thick".

Can't really see you winning any debates any time soon.

Superbus

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

OP, Chesley Sullenberger is a hero. That you would dare to deny that fact leads me to believe you might be a little bit short changed in the oul thinking area.

Why so NotSoSeriously?

strobe

Zebra3 wrote: »

As someone who writes garbage for The Sun, my definition of a hero is someone from the West who kills people in the Middle East.

Agreed, also I think a welsh fame hungry whore who ****s someones husband behind their back and then sells their story to a tabloid in order to get glamour modelling contracts is a complete hero.

Chris Hansen

I can be your hero baaaaby!

I can kiss away the pain!



Ah ricky...

cesc77

Chris Hansen wrote: »

You dont frequent encylopedia dramatica or urban dictionary much do you?

Im afraid not.If you have something to say,please do so.You havent said too much on the topic thus far,beyond patronising remarks.

Enlighten me

OutlawPete

strobe wrote: »

I think it's putting yourself at risk, when it would be much easier to walk away, for someone else.

Like this guy.

http://xnepali.com/a-gurkha-soldier-who-fought-40-train-robbers-to-be-felicitated-in-the-republic-day-of-india/

Okay first of all, the train was not going to Gorakhpur and the guy was anything but Gurkha soldier in Indian Army. It was the red line Luas to Tallaght and the guy was just one of those jumped up Veolia security lads. Sure, he took down some lads, but they were all junkies and the girl was no teenager, she was a drunk prozzie known locally as thundering Theresa and if anything, she was coming on to all the guys. Media sensationalise everything.

NotSoSeriously

starbelgrade wrote: »

In other words, "If you disagree with me, you're thick".

Can't really see you winning any debates any time soon.

well granted, it wasn't a very thought promoting argument by me, but sometimes I'll just tell it like it is.

Chris Hansen

cesc77 wrote: »

Im afraid not.If you have something to say,please do so.You havent said too much on the topic thus far,beyond patronising remarks.

Enlighten me

All i can say is really i think that anyone who went through a bone marrow biopsy and lives with hodgkins waiting for treatment is as close to a hero as an ordinary person will ever meet

cesc77

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

OP, Chesley Sullenberger is a hero. That you would dare to deny that fact leads me to believe you might be a little bit short changed in the oul thinking area.

Nice contribution.You will do well in AH

Chuck Stone

Zebra3 wrote: »

As someone who writes garbage for The Sun, my definition of a hero is someone from the West who kills people in the Middle East.

More like victims imo.

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

OP, Chesley Sullenberger is a hero. That you would dare to deny that fact leads me to believe you might be a little bit short changed in the oul thinking area.

He did a great job landing that plane but, his training, and the plane itself did a great job staying together when it hit the water.

If that hadn't been a modern airliner it would probably have disintegrated.

NotSoSeriously

cesc77 wrote: »

Nice contribution.You will do well in AH

Damn right I will, thanks for the vote of confidence

Riddle101

cesc77 wrote: »

I had a disagreement in work over the pilots who landed in the Hudson saving all on board.Pilots have a very well paid job and they know the risks.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-01-16/news/17196641_1_sullenberger-passengers-plane


I wouldnt classify them as heroes as they were trying to save their own skins also.If they had landed knowing that they were going to die to save the passengers,then yes,hero status granted.

Hero says to me stepping in front of a bullet to save a child or a soldier diving onto a grenade to save colleagues.

Oh,and you cant tell me that the pilots werent thinking of book deals and tv interviews before,during or in the aftermath of the landing.:rolleyes:

A hero nowadays may have financial motives in mind.

Are you a hero if you stay anonymous?

Why does a person have to put himself/herself in harms way or die in order to be a hero? that sounds more like a martyer type of thing.

My opinion of a hero is someone who does a heroic deed for the betterment of people or person. I.E The firefighters at 911.

Chris Hansen

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

Damn right I will, thanks for the vote of confidence

Two people disagreeing on AH? Outrageous!

What next? Itl be like boys in the hood father!

NotSoSeriously

Chuck Stone wrote: »

He did a great job landing that plane but, his training, and the plane itself did a great job staying together when it hit the water.

If that hadn't been a modern airliner it would probably have disintegrated.

Oh sorry, I forgot that modern technology and engineering protects us in every way and that a humble human being should not take credit for having balls of steel, experience and general ****ing top class heroism for landing that plane.

**** me, I don;t know if some people are oblivious or brainwashed ... or maybe just lazy or stupid?

cesc77

Riddle101 wrote: »

Why does a person have to put himself/herself in harms way or die in order to be a hero? that sounds more like a martyer type of thing.

My opinion of a hero is someone who does a heroic deed for the betterment of people or person. I.E The firefighters at 911.

Those firefighters didnt put themselves in harms way? Or die?

I agree that they were heroes but your statement confuses me.

I was trying say that people who are anonymous heroes are the true definition of the word

Sinfonia

Riddle101 wrote: »

Why does a person have to put himself/herself in harms way or die in order to be a hero? that sounds more like a martyer type of thing.

My opinion of a hero is someone who does a heroic deed for the betterment of people or person. I.E The firefighters at 911.

Wasn't the heroism of the NYFD exemplified by the fact that they put themselves in harms way and in some cases died attempting to save other people??

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

Oh sorry, I forgot that modern technology and engineering protects us in every way and that a humble human being should not take credit for having balls of steel, experience and general ****ing top class heroism for landing that plane.

The point being made is that as a pilot he is trained to make emergency landings etc., and so he did what would have been expected of him. It'd be different if the pilots were incapacitated and some random passenger, maybe with some basic flying experience landed the thing.

NotSoSeriously

cesc77 wrote: »

Those firefighters didnt put themselves in harms way? Or die?

I agree that they were heroes but your statement confuses me.

I was trying say that people who are anonymous heroes are the true definition of the word

Oh I see what you mean now about doing well on after hours

I shall change my tune and become an idiot or a troll maybe.

cesc77

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

Oh I see what you mean now about doing well on after hours

I shall change my tune and become an idiot or a troll maybe.

Youre views are as valid as anyone elses here:pac:

cesc77

Cant believe Jack Bauer wasnt mentioned in the first page:pac:

NotSoSeriously

Sinfonia wrote: »

The point being made is that as a pilot he is trained to make emergency landings etc., and so he did what would have been expected of him. It'd be different if the pilots were incapacitated and some random passenger, maybe with some basic flying experience landed the thing.

I get the point. But the main reason those people are alive today is because he had experience. How does that make him less of a hero? In my opinion it makes him more of a hero because he did his job in crazy circumstances.

There's no way any random passenger with a bit of flying experience could have landed that plane in the river. Ok, maybe with lotto winning luck.

KeithM89_old

cesc77 wrote: »

Cant believe Jack Bauer wasnt mentioned in the first page:pac:

Disgraceful

flutterflye

To me, a hero is two things;

1) Anybody who overcomes some sort of considerable struggle, whether it be physical, mental, or emotional.

2) Someone who selflessly goes to great lengths to help another, or others.

Sinfonia

flutterflye wrote: »

To me, a hero is two things;

1) Anybody who overcomes some sort of considerable struggle, whether it be physical, mental, or emotional.

2) Someone who selflessly goes to great lengths to help another, or others.

without whining about it.

cesc77

flutterflye wrote: »

To me, a hero is two things;

1) Anybody who overcomes some sort of considerable struggle, whether it be physical, mental, or emotional.

2) Someone who selflessly goes to great lengths to help another, or others.

Regarding number 1,I know this is a touchy area but it relates to my original point.

People who are ill and suffer greatly,who undergo treatment do so as they want to live.This is survival and is nothing out of the ordinary,as cold hearted as it sounds.

This differs to two people suffering where one gives up their life so that the other lives,as in a transplant.

Chuck Stone

NotSoSeriously wrote: »

Oh sorry, I forgot that modern technology and engineering protects us in every way and that a humble human being should not take credit for having balls of steel, experience and general ****ing top class heroism for landing that plane.

**** me, I don;t know if some people are oblivious or brainwashed ... or maybe just lazy or stupid?

Understanding fail.

cesc77

KeithM89 wrote: »

Disgraceful

Yeah,but no:pac:

Chuck Stone

Sinfonia wrote: »

without whining about it.

Such a critical point.

True heroism happens without us knowing half the time. Like the parent who's love and attention saves a sick child.

Well said Sir.

Colilfc

(Insert lyrics from Bonnie Tyler's classic 'Holding out for a Hero.')

orourkeda

This birds tits are my heroes

http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/woman-with-worlds-largest-breasts.htm

orourkeda

Colilfc wrote: »

(Insert lyrics from Bonnie Tyler's classic 'Holding out for a Hero.')

It's all about Mariah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVhrIfaPKxw

cesc77

Oh and thank you everyone for not mentioning the programme "Heroes".What a load of tripe that was:mad:

Caraville

One of my best friends, who has had to deal with her parents' messy divorce and also getting breast cancer before the age of 30- I'm actually in awe of this girl. I can't believe how she's dealt with it all so well and how much I love her because of it all. Ok, so it might be cheesy or whatever, but she's definitely my hero.

OPENROAD

Enough of this Hero talk !!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad: :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVPq-_t-ANw