De-demonising Gaddafi - what you don't know

digme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLQAUUpJwU

Doesn't look like a dictator to me.
Only 2% of Libyan people are revolting, aided by U.S. agents, military and NATO.
Media propaganda and lies steer the thinking of the masses.

Trying to defend Gadaffi?
What the hell?

Did you not see him on the bloodthirsty rant about how he was going to go door to door and kill all opposition. I suppose the CIA put him up to that too.

The Anti America brigade again hooray.

Dannyboy83

I haven't been paying much attention to it, I may even have some of the incidents in some of the countries mixed up.

But I've heard reports of systematic rape, rooms full of soldiers being machine gunned and various atrocities.

You could make a similar video about Hitler if you wanted.
He accomplished many good and amazing things.
This website essentially does that:
http://www.adolfthegreat.com/

Given the right perspective anyone can be portrayed as good or bad.

Sher weren't Fianna Fail portrayed as economic masterminds for 12 years?:pac:


Based on Gaddafi's actions, those which are reported, and his struggle to retain power, I wouldn't shed a tear for him.

digme

digme wrote: »

Doesn't look like a dictator to me.
Only 2% of Libyan people are revolting, aided by U.S. agents, military and NATO.
Media propaganda and lies steer the thinking of the masses.

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/libya/protesters-deserve-to-die-gaddafi-says-1.765800

Gaddafi said that protesters deserve the death sentence under Libyan law.

He called on supporters to take control of the streets today, adding that Libyans could have whatever constitution or legal system they wanted.

"I am not going to leave this land, I will die here as a martyr," he said.

"Gaddafi does not have a post to resign from, Gaddafi is the leader of the revolution," he said. "This is my country, I will not leave the land of Libya."

Not a dictator? Media Propoganda?

What is your viewpoint on all of this ? Are you a rabid foaming at the mouth republican who sees this guy are your local friendly arms dealer?

Or are you so blinded by hatred for America that you will ignore this mans bloodlust ?

Why do you take his side?

digme

My viewpoint is gaddafi is no angel, but he is no worse than the g bushes or obama's of this world.If someone were to invade america how would they react?I find the media to be fairly complicit once again in another invasion.

crustyjuggler

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

I haven't been paying much attention to it, I may even have some of the incidents in some of the countries mixed up.

But I've heard reports of systematic rape, rooms full of soldiers being machine gunned and various atrocities.

You could make a similar video about Hitler if you wanted.
He accomplished many good and amazing things.
This website essentially does that:
http://www.adolfthegreat.com/

Given the right perspective anyone can be portrayed as good or bad.

Sher weren't Fianna Fail portrayed as economic masterminds for 12 years?:pac:


Based on Gaddafi's actions, those which are reported, and his struggle to retain power, I wouldn't shed a tear for him.

Cheers for the link .

Overheal

Deleted User wrote: »

Trying to defend Gadaffi?
What the hell?

Did you not see him on the bloodthirsty rant about how he was going to go door to door and kill all opposition. I suppose the CIA put him up to that too.

The Anti America brigade again hooray.

I know he said what he said....... but, when did it become "bloodthirsty"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ1gm30RxM

You make it sound as if he was like, Daniel-Day Lewis or something, with his fury..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JghkG4WydNk

Jonny7

digme wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLQAUUpJwU

Doesn't look like a dictator to me.
Only 2% of Libyan people are revolting, aided by U.S. agents, military and NATO.
Media propaganda and lies steer the thinking of the masses.

Aren't you the same poster who tried to claim that Germany didn't start world war 2?

Check out the uploader's other videos with such titles as
Gaddafi - A Libyan hero
Gaddafi - An African hero
etc etc

Next up : Assad - Our misunderstood Syrian champion of freedom

wes

While, its true, there are plenty of people who are as bad a Gaddafi, but in this case, there are people in Libya who asked for help, as they would have been murdered by Gaddafi. I think in this instance, that Nato has got it mostly right. Gaddafi is scum, and there in a position to do something about it.

Now, I don't believe there helping them out of the goodness of there hearts or anything, but then I don't really care, as there helping the Libyan people, and the people who I know who are from Libya are also against Gaddafi, and I have received several emails highlighting how the Libyan people need help against Gaddafi, and my friend isn't working for the US or anyone else, but it just trying to show that his people needs help.

digme

wes wrote: »

While, its true, there are plenty of people who are as bad a Gaddafi, but in this case, there are people in Libya who asked for help, as they would have been murdered by Gaddafi. I think in this instance, that Nato has got it mostly right. Gaddafi is scum, and there in a position to do something about it.

Now, I don't believe there helping them out of the goodness of there hearts or anything, but then I don't really care, as there helping the Libyan people, and the people who I know who are from Libya are also against Gaddafi, and I have received several emails highlighting how the Libyan people need help against Gaddafi, and my friend isn't working for the US or anyone else, but it just trying to show that his people needs help.

Your posts makes no sense.

Jonny7

Overheal wrote: »

I know he said what he said....... but, when did it become "bloodthirsty"?

Daniel Day Lewis doesn't have squat on this guy

Several translations, mostly the same, I don't think he's referring to hygiene and general cleanliness now

wes

digme wrote: »

Your posts makes no sense.

Its make perfect sense actually. The people of Libya asked for help, and Nato decided to help, now while I don't believe Nato member states reasons are purely altruistic, but seeing as there helping prevent people being murdered, then I think what there doing is basically right.

Einhard

digme wrote: »

My viewpoint is gaddafi is no angel, but he is no worse than the g bushes or obama's of this world.If someone were to invade america how would they react?I find the media to be fairly complicit once again in another invasion.

My enemy's enemy is my friend eh?

It never ceases to amaze me how some people are so blind in their hatred of America, that anyone who opposes America is automatically seen as an ally, and all crimes whitewashed.

digme

wes wrote: »

Its make perfect sense actually. The people of Libya asked for help, and Nato decided to help, now while I don't believe Nato member states reasons are purely altruistic, but seeing as there helping prevent people being murdered, then I think what there doing is basically right.

Your logic is retarded.

digme

Einhard wrote: »

My enemy's enemy is my friend eh?

It never ceases to amaze me how some people are so blind in their hatred of America, that anyone who opposes America is automatically seen as an ally, and all crimes whitewashed.

Isn't it nice you can make assumptions all by yourself?

mike65

Coming soon from digme -

"Mao, my part in his rehabilitation"
Pol Pot - why Year Zero made sense.

wes

digme wrote: »

Your logic is retarded.

No, it make prefect sense. Gaddafi want to kill people. Nato wants to stop him. Seems to me that Nato regardless of there reasons, are more or less in the right.

Also, if the only response you can muster is that my logic is retarded, then you don't have a leg to stand on imho.

charlemont

Whatever people think of Gadaffi, He is the most progressive leader in Africa, What im trying to say is basically is his country isn't a dump, With regard to his threats and use of violence, In those parts of the world you have to be hard/mad to stay in power.

Im not making excuses for him but id rather Gadaffi than the rest of the leaders in that region.

Einhard

digme wrote: »

Isn't it nice you can make assumptions all by yourself?

Just basing my opinions on your posting history to be honest.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Jonny7 wrote: »

Aren't you the same poster who tried to claim that Germany didn't start world war 2?

Boy was that a classic. Digme seemed completely unaware of the Munich conference.

Denerick

I love threads like these. Next thing we'll see a home video of Gadaffi being kind to puppies and teaching his daughter how to ride a bike.

digme

wes wrote: »

No, it make prefect sense. Gaddafi want to kill people. Nato wants to stop him. Seems to me that Nato regardless of there reasons, are more or less in the right.

Also, if the only response you can muster is that my logic is retarded, then you don't have a leg to stand on imho.

Surely you can't be that naive?

mattjack

digme wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLQAUUpJwU

Doesn't look like a dictator to me.
Only 2% of Libyan people are revolting, aided by U.S. agents, military and NATO.
Media propaganda and lies steer the thinking of the masses.

Gaddafi, Gaddafi..? armed the IRA Ido believe ......

digme

mattjack wrote: »

Gaddafi, Gaddafi..? armed the IRA Ido believe ......

America america armed the whole world i believe,what's your point?

mattjack

digme wrote: »

America america armed the whole world i believe,what's your point?

No they didnt

wes

digme wrote: »

Surely you can't be that naive?

I think it rather Naive to trust Gaddafi or Nato. I personally trust neither, but I find it bizarre that you are defending Gaddafi at all, the guy is at best unhinged, and made it very clear, he wanted to kill a lot of people, and if Nato are helping stop that, then regardless of there reasons, I agree with Nato, especially, as a lot of Libyans have asked for help.

digme

mattjack wrote: »

No they didnt

what planet are you living on at all? America export arms all over the world to dictators for the last few hundred years.
They've killed and maimed millions of people in the last decade alone. A lot more than the evil gaddafi.

digme

wes wrote: »

I think it rather Naive to trust Gaddafi or Nato. I personally trust neither, but I find it bizarre that you are defending Gaddafi at all, the guy is at best unhinged, and made it very clear, he wanted to kill a lot of people, and if Nato are helping stop that, then regardless of there reasons, I agree with Nato, especially, as a lot of Libyans have asked for help.

Nobody mentioned anything about trust.To mention trust with these people is idiotic.I posted the video to show the other side of the issue.Nobody picked it apart,all i have got so far is gaddaffi is evil and nato bombs are nice and friendly.

Jaafa

digme wrote: »

what planet are you living on at all? America export arms all over the world to dictators for the last few hundred years.

So does every other country with an arms industry.

mattjack

digme wrote: »

what planet are you living on at all? America export arms all over the world to dictators for the last few hundred years.

same as you....Gaddafi armed the IRA ,your answer was to bring America into it,Gaddafis initial response to protesters was to use artillery and snipers..

wes

digme wrote: »

Nobody mentioned anything about trust.To mention trust with these people is idiotic.I posted the video to show the other side of the issue.Nobody picked it apart,all i have got so far is gaddaffi is evil and nato bombs are nice and friendly.

Have you heard some of the stuff he said, he was going do to protesters. Nothing in that video changes any of that, and as such the video is pointless.

digme

wes wrote: »

Have you heard some of the stuff he said, he was going do to protesters. Nothing in that video changes any of that, and as such the video is pointless.

We know what governments are like ,it doesn't excuse an invasion to save protesters while bombing the sh1t out of the country .The invasion is wrong.

mattjack

digme wrote: »

We know what governments are like ,it doesn't excuse an invasion to save protesters.The invasion is wrong.

what invasion ?

digme

mattjack wrote: »

what invasion ?

Are you serious?

mattjack

digme wrote: »

Are you serious?

yeah...have NATO invaded ?

digme

mattjack wrote: »

yeah...have NATO invaded ?

They have troops flooding into the country from neighbouring countries and arming them to the teeth.I call that an invasion.
Add to that they are bombing it to bits from the sky.If you want to be pedantic and petty that's fine.

mattjack

digme wrote: »

They have troops flooding into the country from neighbouring countries and arming them to the teeth.I call that an invasion.
Add to that they are bombing it to bits from the sky.If you want to be pedantic and petty that's fine.

any takers for a follow up comment...?

craggles

I'm lost for words.

mattjack

MV Eksund , Pan Am 103 ?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Although most of Digme's claims are silly, I believe hes right about America supplying arms to shady groups and dictators around the world.

jumpguy

Gaddafi is merely a repeat of a sad, familiar story in Africa. He started out with noble roots, but then overstayed his welcome, and he cleverly engineered his country so any revolt would be very difficult. He weakened the military and instead used militias, so a repeat of Egypt couldn't happen to him.

Media exaggeration is rampant, but he is no hero. Just don't watch Fox News, or pretty much any Rupert Murdoch controlled media.

mattjack

jumpguy wrote: »

Gaddafi is merely a repeat of a sad, familiar story in Africa. He started out with noble roots, but then overstayed his welcome, and he cleverly engineered his country so any revolt would be very difficult. He weakened the military and instead used militias, so a repeat of Egypt couldn't happen to him.

Media exaggeration is rampant, but he is no hero. Just don't watch Fox News, or pretty much any Rupert Murdoch controlled media.

Egypt and a lot of other North African Countries had at the very least limited opposition groups that could in the event of election offers field candidates.Libya as you said Jumpguy has nothing of the sort ,so even Gadaffis most recent offer of elections is pointless.Like you said his use of militias and also tribes is his strength.

goose2005

charlemont wrote: »

Whatever people think of Gadaffi, He is the most progressive leader in Africa, What im trying to say is basically is his country isn't a dump, With regard to his threats and use of violence, In those parts of the world you have to be hard/mad to stay in power.

Im not making excuses for him but id rather Gadaffi than the rest of the leaders in that region.

He's not progressive at all. Even the Arab League condemned him, which is really saying something.

end a eknny

wes wrote: »

While, its true, there are plenty of people who are as bad a Gaddafi, but in this case, there are people in Libya who asked for help, as they would have been murdered by Gaddafi. I think in this instance, that Nato has got it mostly right. Gaddafi is scum, and there in a position to do something about it.

Now, I don't believe there helping them out of the goodness of there hearts or anything, but then I don't really care, as there helping the Libyan people, and the people who I know who are from Libya are also against Gaddafi, and I have received several emails highlighting how the Libyan people need help against Gaddafi, and my friend isn't working for the US or anyone else, but it just trying to show that his people needs help.

and nato are not killing any libyians and when gadafi is removed peace and harmoy will reign and the people of libyia will have democracy and live in peace like the iraqis got when saddam was killed and you are you are supporting tommy tiernan on his new tour when?

Nodin

digme wrote: »

They have troops flooding into the country from neighbouring countries and arming them to the teeth........

You've a source for that? And by source I mean a household name news organisation.....

end a eknny

mattjack wrote: »

Gaddafi, Gaddafi..? armed the IRA Ido believe ......

no charlie haughey and the americans i believe

end a eknny

its a pity nato werent about to help the rebels in northern ireland when the local dictators were trying to wipe them off the face of the earth

mattjack

end a eknny wrote: »

its a pity nato werent about to help the rebels in northern ireland when the local dictators were trying to wipe them off the face of the earth

what a bizarre and odd world you live in....

mattjack

end a eknny wrote: »

and nato are not killing any libyians and when gadafi is removed peace and harmoy will reign and the people of libyia will have democracy and live in peace like the iraqis got when saddam was killed and you are you are supporting tommy tiernan on his new tour when?

WTF..?

end a eknny

mattjack wrote: »

what a bizarre and odd world you live in....

same one as you but i have my eyes open

Merch

mattjack wrote: »

Gaddafi, Gaddafi..? armed the IRA Ido believe ......

But isnt that what The UK/NATO is doing now, kinda double standards really.
We fault you for arming our enemies in the past (in fact we never stopped holding it against you) so now we do ourselves what we claimed was wrong! strange double standards

mattjack wrote: »

same as you....Gaddafi armed the IRA ,your answer was to bring America into it,Gaddafis initial response to protesters was to use artillery and snipers..

Do you have evidence of this artillery and the snipers? and what makes you think most western countries wouldn't or already have not used snipers against people they consider enemies of their states, even if they happen to be its citizens also?

mattjack wrote: »

WTF..?

I believe that was sarcasm

Lets be honest, seems the yanks aren't really the big players here, France and the UK are falling over themselves to try out their military hardware, namely the eurofighter/suddenly bomber and the Rafale, Its a wargame to impress India which is one of the options to buy those airframes, the bonus is, I dont know, protracted war? oil? never really stopped hating gadaffi for standing up to them?? The west has a habit of supporting those in the short term who turn out to be their enemy in the future, and a history of deposing legitimate leaders.
I be;lieve the UN resolution here, http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/50/ares50-172.htm isnt being followed.
Whether I agree with Gadaffi or not, he seems no worse than Mubarak, Assad or the leaders of Saud??