Ireland set to force ISPs To disconnect pirates

Trevor451

http://torrentfreak.com/ireland-set-to-force-isps-to-disconnect-pirates-110621/

Following last year’s failed High Court bid to force an ISP to adopt a 3 strikes-style regime to deal with pirates, the Big Four record labels are set to get their way through a change in the law. If adopted, proposals published yesterday by the Irish government would allow copyright holders to hold ISPs liable for infringements and take out injunctions against them.

Our legal system/government is a joke. They will give in to the commands of the greedy music industry.

The music industry needs to adopt to the internet and not go by revenue models that worked years ago :rolleyes:

dillo2k10

Trevor451 wrote: »

http://torrentfreak.com/ireland-set-to-force-isps-to-disconnect-pirates-110621/



Our legal system/government is a joke. They will give in to the commands of the greedy music industry.

The music industry needs to adopt to the internet and not go by revenue models that worked years ago :rolleyes:

I dont see how they could do this. It would be like o2 telling you that you are not allowed to call certain people because you may be buying drugs from them. The ISP's ain't responsible. Also torrents are not only used for illegal stuff.

LighterGuy

dillo2k10 wrote: »

I dont see how they could do this. It would be like o2 telling you that you are not allowed to call certain people because you may be buying drugs from them. The ISP's ain't responsible. Also torrents are not only used for illegal stuff.

True but lets be honest, torrents are 99.9 percent used for downloading illegal things :pac:

But this law is a joke alright. Theres downloading in every country in the world. Trust the Irish government to give this silly thing the greenlight.

AskMyChocolate

Aaaarrr(gh)!




*gets coat

TimeToShine

moar proxies gentlemen

DesperateDan

Trevor451 wrote: »

The music industry needs to adopt to the internet and not go by revenue models that worked years ago :rolleyes:

No matter what the music industry does at this stage, there will always be pirated material available on an ever increasing scale. I can't really see a solution, people will always go for the "free" entertainment option if its there.

Daegerty

DesperateDan wrote: »

No matter what the music industry does at this stage, there will always be pirated material available on an ever increasing scale. I can't really see a solution, people will always go for the "free" entertainment option if its there.

I suppose the entertainment will have to become free. No more musicians record labels making billions and the money made from concerts and spin off products. The record labels dont really serve much of a purpose anymore since any ould eejit can make a .torrent file and seed it

before in the good old days the only way was to get vinyl pressed or make a wax cylinder to record stuff on and this wasn't the kind of stuff mere mortals could do on a large scale

LighterGuy

DesperateDan wrote: »

No matter what the music industry does at this stage, there will always be pirated material available on an ever increasing scale. I can't really see a solution, people will always go for the "free" entertainment option if its there.

Exactly.
Lets say somehow they bring in something where it stops your average person from downloading illegally.
Blackmarket sales will be up and people who can get around being caught will be making cds/dvds for their friends. heck, you could be opening up more of a black market if average joe downloading ceases.

cant stop piracy.

LighterGuy

Daegerty wrote: »

before in the good old days the only way was to get vinyl pressed or make a wax cylinder to record stuff on and this wasn't the kind of stuff mere mortals could do on a large scale

One could say it was the movie and music companies bad choice, or greed (as they cost so cheap to produce) to make cd's and dvd's a medium for entertainment goods knowing every pc in the world has a cd/dvd drive.

strobe

I hear they also are set to use those red flashy memory wiping things out of Men In Black so that we all don't just proxy or tor up and do the exact same thing we have always been doing. Yaaar! me maties!

seanbmc

Prepare for a shítstorm if this is adopted.

Daegerty

LighterGuy wrote: »

One could say it was the movie and music companies bad choice, or greed (as they cost so cheap to produce) to make cd's and dvd's a medium for entertainment goods knowing every pc in the world has a cd/dvd burner.

There were CDs and DVDs long before there were burners that you could fit in a PC

and the earliest ones the blank disc cost 15 Pounds and more than half the time it would fail because the table the PC was on moved or the disc wasn't perfect or there was a cat walking around downstairs

Chris Hansen

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we waiting on an ECJ judgement from France or Germany or somewhere on this matter that isn't due until the end of the year?

Hank Scorpio

YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th6PW5VwDFI

ScumLord

I hope this doesn't go ahead, ram raiding shops takes so long. You have to find a car and then the place might not have what your looking for.

old_aussie

Using that rationale, a shop selling cutlery should be held responsible if somweone kills with a knife purchased from that shop. :rolleyes:

RichieC

eircom already does.

good doggy!

strobe

nuxxx wrote: »

YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th6PW5VwDFI

Here is the ten hour long version on youtube. LOL sometimes I love the internet nerds. "Youtube? 10 minutes? No, Let's make it last ten hours. Ok, what will we do? Some government blocked political speech? No noob, let's just play that 'you are a pirate' song 2,000 times. OK. OK Done. Yes. Brilliant. Deal."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBH4g_ua5es

LighterGuy

Daegerty wrote: »

There were CDs and DVDs long before there were burners that you could fit in a PC

and the earliest ones the blank disc cost 15 Pounds and more than half the time it would fail because the table the PC was on moved or the disc wasn't perfect or there was a cat walking around downstairs

Thats incorrect.
Cd's were indeed around before cd drives were in average joe's pc. however by the time they were the medium of choice, pc's were shipping with cd drives. And to define the era of "medium of choice" ... It was pretty much the mid 90s. People were choosing cd players for music and the ps1 was released in 1995 which took the CD format to a higher level.

And as for dvds? ... near enough every pc had a cd drive by the time DVD came around.

The PlayStation 2 basically brought the DVD format to people in 2000. But, by that time people were already modding their ps1's and using blank cd's to burn games. And your average pc had a cd drive. In the late 90s (mainly '97 onwards) many people were also pirating games on the pc format too. As pc games were using the CD format as the products medium.

By the time DVD took over from CD in terms of entertainment (movies/games) the cd was pirated. The same thing happened with dvd. Your average pc drive began to have dvd drives in them.... now blu ray is the new thing. Give it a few years and you'll have more and more pc's having blu-ray drives.

Technolgy is invented. Its costly. Times goes by, blank medium and even drives become cheaper. Its been proven time and time again. But they only become cheaper when the average person buys entertainment goods that come on them.

The fate of DVDs was always going to be the same fate as CDs when it was accepted as the new format. To either copy games or movies. In 2003 i remember buying blank dvds for around 5 euro each. Short time later they dropped in price drastically. I remember buying 10 blank dvds for 20 euro in 2004.

MungBean

When are they gonna learn ? You cant beat the internet.

Daegerty

LighterGuy wrote: »

Thats incorrect.
Cd's were indeed around before cd drives were in pc's however by the time they were the medium of choice, average pc's were getting cd drives. And as for dvds? ... near enough every pc had a cd drive by the time DVD came around.

The PlayStation 2 basically brought the DVD medium to people in 2000. But, by that time people were already modding their ps1's and using blank cd's to burn games. And your average pc had a cd drive. In the late 90s (mainly '97 onwards) many people were also pirating games on the pc format too.

By the time DVD took over from CD in terms of entertainment (movies/games) the cd was pirated. The same thing happened with dvd. Your average pc drive had dvd drives in them.... now its blu ray. Give it a few years and you'll have more and more pc's having blu-ray drives.

Technolgy is invented. Its costly. Times goes by, blank and even drives become cheaper. Its been proven time and time again.



The same was always going to happen with dvds. To either copy games or movies. Which it did. In 2003 i remember dvds being like around 5 year each. Short time later they dropped in price drastically. I can go into LIDL and get 10 blank dvds for 3 euro.

In '97 every PC you could buy had a CD ROM drive but a burner was still a bit of an overpriced niche product. The burners didn't take quite as long to appear for DVD and they came out straight away for blu-ray but a blu-ray burner is still a bit more expensive than the read only one.

When CD's really got popular is when you could buy the burner for 100 pounds and a 10 pack for a tenner. Ah feck it this brings back bad memories, CD's with badly written labels in permanent marker everywhere and fecking empty cases that broke after you'd open them.

Pirating probably did a lot to help the environment, my collection of .flac files is a lot more tidy than the fecking CDs everywhere and remember the rewriteable CDs for the real stingey fecker like me who thought they could be reused indefinitely but in reality only about 10 times

marcsignal

DesperateDan wrote: »

No matter what the music industry does at this stage, there will always be pirated material available on an ever increasing scale. I can't really see a solution, people will always go for the "free" entertainment option if its there.

YEP ! and bring it on

no no no no no no mr suit !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwJCUn0ndwA

charlemont

LighterGuy wrote: »

True but lets be honest, torrents are 99.9 percent used for downloading illegal things :pac:

But this law is a joke alright. Theres downloading in every country in the world. Trust the Irish government to give this silly thing the greenlight.

Bang on, They dont want anyone getting anything for free.

LighterGuy

Daegerty wrote: »

In '97 every PC you could buy had a CD ROM drive but a burner was still a bit of an overpriced niche product. The burners didn't take quite as long to appear for DVD and they came out straight away for blu-ray but a blu-ray burner is still a bit more expensive than the read only one.

When CD's really got popular is when you could buy the burner for 100 pounds and a 10 pack for a tenner. Ah feck it this brings back bad memories, CD's with badly written labels in permanent marker everywhere and fecking empty cases that broke after you'd open them.

Pirating probably did a lot to help the environment, my collection of .flac files is a lot more tidy than the fecking CDs everywhere and remember the rewriteable CDs for the real stingey fecker like me who thought they could be reused indefinitely but in reality only about 10 times

Its quite funny isnt it.
Like, I can go over to lidl and buy 10 dvds for 2.99 :pac:
Remember buying a pack of 5 dvds in lidl in 2004 for something like double the price or something (6.99 or something)

In a sense, its piracy that pushes things.
Like, NTL offer a broadband package of 12mb, 25mb, 50mb and 100mb lines to households. Like, why on earth would you want such a fast line you know unless you're downloading.

Even back to disc formats. Why did CD and DVD blank discs drop so much "officially" :pac: if they werent used for piracy. I was in maplin today and seen that 1 blu-ray disc is 5 euros or 5 for 24.99. Give that a year or two and you'll probably see blue ray discs for 2 euro. Again, why on earth would your average person want a blue ray disc while conveniently they can be used to "pirate" things :P same goes for blu ray burners. they'll drop in price.

Daegerty

When blu ray came out the discs were a predictable 15 pounds so they down 1/3 already.

Blue ray might well be the last optical storage format in mainstream use. Other things exist but they might never be popular

They're a pain in the arse really compared to flash memory in many ways

LighterGuy

Thats true. Blu Ray discs have gone down it price! Conveniently the PS3 got hacked last september

Borderfox

Music companies missed the boat around Napster time and never recovered, tough **

orangebud

what is a CD?

LighterGuy

Borderfox wrote: »

Music companies missed the boat around Napster time and never recovered, tough **

Well... its a double sided coin.
Music, Movie and Game companies are greedy. We all know that. However, a large percentage of people are stealing from them. They dont like that.

But theres always hypocrissy with downloading. Lets say an average joe downloads. Alot. Regularly. Lets fast forward 5 years, he owns a company and people are "stealing" his companies product without paying. Suddenly his views are downloading is "bad"

all what side of the coin you are in life

LighterGuy

orangebud wrote: »

what is a CD?

cross-dresser.

Daegerty

ScumLord wrote: »

ram raiding shops takes so long.

Thats why I prefer raiding the hard drives, flash memory and overpriced blank discs instead

James Forde

I prefer this version

http://dagobah.net/flash/Pirate_full.swf

u140acro3xs7dm

I better go and download the whole internet before this law comes in.

Red Alert

Fine Gael couldn't wait to get this in Going to write to my local TD's.

Yahew

Red Alert wrote: »

Fine Gael couldn't wait to get this in Going to write to my local TD's.

Ah, the world's first "I am in favour of theft" letter to a member of parliament.

Worth a shot, I suppose.

Yahew

ISPs are not like telephone companies, as they already charge or control for people's bandwidth, and can therefore control for peer-peer. You cant do a little bit of regulation, if you do some, you can do all.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Everyone is suffering from this-

Indie record stores are getting hammering from tescos so blame downloading instead.

Someone releases a shíte record which doesnt sell so blame downloading instead.

Buy a good second hand cd from amazon so blame downloading instead.

philologos

Meh. I think if they provided easy access of music and video with advertising they'd make a huge profit. Free web streaming of music and movies with adverts in between would make far more for companies than this strategy. The amount of traffic would give way more impressions.

Yahew

philologos wrote: »

Meh. I think if they provided easy access of music and video with advertising they'd make a huge profit. Free web streaming of music and movies with adverts in between would make far more for companies than this strategy. The amount of traffic would give way more impressions.

There is too much music, and too few adds.

R P McMurphy

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

philologos

Yahew wrote: »

There is too much music, and too few adds.

What do you mean? Put the music in a streamer put a 30 second advert at the start before the music comes in or after every few songs. Or even put it in a banner around the page and use Javascript to switch the ads at the end of every song. It isn't all that difficult.

u140acro3xs7dm

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

Ya have to be fast though, Larry Gogan likes to come in with a few words just before the song ends. The mischievous little scamp!!

Seachmall

“The installation of that filtering and blocking system is a restriction on the right to respect for the privacy of communications and the right to protection of personal data, both of which are rights protected under the Charter of Fundamental Rights” - Cruz Villalón, top legal advisor to the European Court of Justice

They will not be able to implement this without the EU stepping in.

philologos

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Couldn't care less because I have a tape casette and recorder and can still record form the radio

What is this? 1992?

R P McMurphy

philologos wrote: »

What is this? 1992?

Probably more like '86, a vintage year

bleg

It just means I'll listen to less music...

Or use that software that grabs it off youtube and the like!

Yahew

philologos wrote: »

What do you mean? Put the music in a streamer put a 30 second advert at the start before the music comes in or after every few songs. Or even put it in a banner around the page and use Javascript to switch the ads at the end of every song. It isn't all that difficult.

I wasn't talking about technical details. That's been solved.

There isn't enough ad revenue to make up for lost sale revenue were everything free. The amount of advertising budget in the world is not proportional to the amount of songs in the world, nor it is proportional to number of Android apps in the app store.

People with advertising budgets can target magazines, print newspapers (as before); websites, online music - like spotify, online movies, and ad funded apps. There isn't enough budget to fund all of these groups, except the most successful.

Spotify has moved to a sub model for that reason.

u140acro3xs7dm

bleg wrote: »

It just means I'll listen to less music...

Or use that software that grabs it off youtube and the like!

It would mean i might get around to listening to the 100's of Gigs of music that magically appeared on my computer.

omahaid

There is 0% chance of stopping piracy with the stick approach, the carrot approach has a better hope of working. And to try and use technical means to prevent piracy is a waste of time, there is always someone smarter trying to circumvent technical restrictions.

Del2005

The thing which annoys me most about DVDs, I've moved on from disks so don't know about Bluray, was the fact that they forced the legitimate user of the disc to watch a 5 minute anti piracy ad. F*** Off I've paid good money for this disc yet have to watch some crap telling me not to steal, which you can't skip, so the only way not to see the anti piracy is to pirate:D


I've a DVR and generally record most shows or if I want to watch something that's on I'll do something else for 15 minutes and rewind. I then skip all the ads, is this also stealing? And when will my TV be cut off for not watching ads?

maglite

Proposed Tax on internet in manifesto, Now lets monitor and ban people from the internet if we don't like what they are up to.


Lol @ China noobs.