Peugeot 407

mackrel

Hey, anyone got an opinion on these cars?

colm_mcm

A 307 with huge overhangs

I wouldnt unless its really cheap

cadaliac

Diesel or petrol? Good car to drive but I personally think Peugeot dropped the ball after the 406.

mackrel

Thanks, petrol I'd think but I don't mind either way. What would be your suggestion on spend up to around 5000. Looking for something like passat a4 etc

cadaliac

Well all cars have their issues, petrol or diesel. The Peugeot is a far superior car to drive than a Passat or A4 for that matter. The German stuff holds value much better than the French stuff so for 5k you should be 2 or even 3 years higher with a Peugeot.
Get on to the Peugeot 407 fourms and trawl through the site to see what the known issues are - sorry I'm not to familliar with the issues.
A lot of Irish people think anything French is rubbish, and some of it is, but not all of it.
The Passat has some serious issues with a steering rack and parking brake, all of which are expensive to put right. But for 5k, you are looking at a car that has the mileage done and issues sorted out possibally.

Daegerty

I know someone who has one and it's given so much trouble. Only 5 years old and 25000 miles and so many things are after going wrong with it.

Not a nice car to drive either when ever ya push the accelerator there's a good bit of lag before it does anything. This is the petrol one by the way

thom119

my dad has a 2005 2l diesel
I think it's a nice car style wise, plenty of room in the front and back, decent on diesel (dont know the exact figures)
Bit of poke when needed and a good motorway cruiser

my dad's had a bit of trouble with sensors, but it's been covered under warranty.
When you're buying one make sure to have a good look at the screen above the radio, my dad's one sometimes goes off for no reason at all, can be fairly annoying!

Row

All you need to know is here...:)
http://www.407owners.com/forums/

The petrols should be bought for small money and are pretty reliable..:)

The 1.6hdi's need to be serviced on the button or can cause turbo failure if not....Dmfs can also fail around 120-130kmls...but this is a common failure on nearly all diesels today...:rolleyes:

The 2.0hdi's are pretty reliable also but again dmf's can cause greif.

Genarally..Watch out for worn lower balljoints (these were modified from 08) they also tend to go tru a few abs sensors in there lifetime.

@thom119...the fading display above the radio is usally down to heat...these
were also modified....:)

Best of luck...;)

bazz26

Petrol 407s are dirt cheap these days and no complicated DPF, turbo or Common Rail injectors to potentially replace like the diesels.

Dynamically there are better cars out there though and not a patch on the 406 it replaced.

Daegerty

bazz26 wrote: »

Petrol 407s are dirt cheap these days and no complicated DPF, turbo or Common Rail injectors to potentially replace like the diesels.

Dynamically there are better cars out there though and not a patch on the 406 it replaced.

The 406 is a brilliant car. Not even close to the amount of trouble from that fecking 407. One I can actually enjoy driving and get used to. Maybe some 407's are better than others but the one I drove was a right hape

the little display in that is also starting to go. as well as at least 10 other things. nothing wrong with the engine though except that it lags.

Row

I have to say the 406's were one of the best peugeot models they ever made....:cool:
But like all modern makes/models the 407's are packed with ecu's communicating with each other and if one sensor fails e.g. abs sensor it will cut the cruise control...Sat nav etc until that sensor has been replaced.
I'm afraid its all part and parcel of modern cars today.....

johnos1984

I love the look, comfort and handling in a well sorted 407. Lovely car but I'd prefer go for the 1.6HDI myself over any of the petrol versions.

johnos1984

What type of real world MPG could you expect from the 1.8l model?

Row

johnos1984 wrote: »

What type of real world MPG could you expect from the 1.8l model?

Usally between 32-38 mpg's...:)

johnos1984

Row wrote: »

Usally between 32-38 mpg's...:)

They are shockingly cheap on the used market

Row

johnos1984 wrote: »

They are shockingly cheap on the used market

Tbh if you can live with the running costs e.g. mpg and high road tax they are a grand car...:)

johnos1984

Row wrote: »

Tbh if you can live with the running costs e.g. mpg and high road tax they are a grand car...:)

I came close to buying a 1.6lHDI as a cheap car 2 years ago. In fact I had a deposit down. It was shockingly cheap. Was always a bit sorry I didn't go for it.

It was 3 years old, full service history, ex rep car all for 5k. No issues but was a little but ropey.

D16TURBO

Hi,

I've a 2005 2.0 HDi its got quite low mileage at 59000. But I do have some issues like the lower ball joint and the egr but these are easily replaceable.
The egr needs to to be coded to the the car tho.

I went for the 2.0 as they are more robust and just an improved version of the 406 engine. Its not as economical (48-54mpg indicated) as the 1.6 hdi but you will lose the savings pretty quickly as they tend to give more trouble.

But to be honest I think its a great car. Its got plenty of gadgets standard, looks great and really nice to drive. Had it all the way to Genoa and it didnt miss a beat.

Had test driven a4's, passats and mondeos all the usual stuff and this was the best all round for me. :cool:

johnos1984

D16TURBO wrote: »

the 1.6 hdi but you will lose the savings pretty quickly as they tend to give more trouble.

I'm surprised at that as they are being put into everything.

I drove a new Mazda3 HDI this evening and have to say the engine was great as was the rest of the car. Very under rated

LFC Murphy

Anybody got any thoughts on the SW models

Daegerty

LFC Murphy wrote: »

Anybody got any thoughts on the SW models

Thats the one I drove and it was a complete hape. I hope the others are better.

D16TURBO

johnos1984 wrote: »

I'm surprised at that as they are being put into everything.

I drove a new Mazda3 HDI this evening and have to say the engine was great as was the rest of the car. Very under rated

Well that might be the reason we are aware of more problems because of the sheer number that are out there.

My mum had that engine in an S40 and was great until it went wrong. Main dealer serviced and it still acted up.

Row

Daegerty wrote: »

Thats the one I drove and it was a complete hape

:)That one way of saying you did'nt like it..:)

The 1.6 hdi's in the Sw's are alittle under powered...I'd go for the 2.0 136 bhp...:)

The 1.6 hdi's need tlc when it comes to servicing....its better every 3rd service or so to use a good engine flush before dropping the oil and refill with 5w 30 fully syn oil.
I have the 110bhp (407) and have used mobil 1 5w/30 esp fully syn which has a low ash content (dpf friendly).Saying that I change oil and filter every
9k mls and have had no problems....:)

StevePH

This looks decent value (in my my not-so-expert opinion!) for an 05 motor -
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Peugeot/407/1.8***Sa/201107201315628/advert?channel=CARS
..it is a model not highly thought of my many...or could it give problems?

pajo1981

colm_mcm wrote: »

A 307 with huge overhangs

It sits on a lengthened 307 platform, just like the Passat sits on a lengthened Golf plat. Also the interior is far superior to the 307s.

johnos1984

pajo1981 wrote: »

It sits on a lengthened 307 platform, just like the Passat sits on a lengthened Golf plat. Also the interior is far superior to the 307s.

I still think the 407 weather petrol or diesel is under rated value in this sector

ShaneU

I've had a 2004 407 for three years, only problem I had was an issue with the earth wire connected to the rear light cluster, made error messages come up on the computer. Great car to drive, no complaints.

Davidtipp

Anyone with 407 questions, shout!

-Corkie-

johnos1984 wrote: »

I still think the 407 weather petrol or diesel is under rated value in this sector

I often thought about buying one but always said Nah. I owned two 405`s fairly reliable only for the old back axle. The 89 one was a GTTD IIRC. It had every extra at the time. Definitley the nicest car I ever owned and thats out of 30+ cars....:)

Davidtipp

D16TURBO wrote: »

Well that might be the reason we are aware of more problems because of the sheer number that are out there.

My mum had that engine in an S40 and was great until it went wrong. Main dealer serviced and it still acted up.

Service intervals need to be halved to at least 10,000kms. They give no trouble then.

johnos1984

-Corkie- wrote: »

I often thought about buying one but always said Nah. I owned two 405`s fairly reliable only for the old back axle. The 89 one was a GTTD IIRC. It had every extra at the time. Definitley the nicest car I ever owned and thats out of 30+ cars....:)

I had a 407 HDI coming with high mileage. Had agree to it only for the brother in law talked me out of it because it would explode any day now :rolleyes:

I ended up with a Clio forged by Satan himself

PaulKK

A friend of mine has one of these yolks, a 06 1.6 diesel.

Think the wheel sensors are an issue with these, they are easily broken when changing tyres and they are expensive to replace.

I can't say I would recommend, it constantly has the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. He's had some stuff replaced already and now another sensor is gone and its in limp mode.

The interior is absolutely brutal looking compared even to a 98 passat I had, maybe I'm just used to German cars though.


The ride quality seems pretty good in fairness though but its not something I would drive.

Davidtipp

PaulKK wrote: »

A friend of mine has one of these yolks, a 06 1.6 diesel.

Think the wheel sensors are an issue with these, they are easily broken when changing tyres and they are expensive to replace.

I can't say I would recommend, it constantly has the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. He's had some stuff replaced already and now another sensor is gone and its in limp mode.

The interior is absolutely brutal looking compared even to a 98 passat I had, maybe I'm just used to German cars though.


The ride quality seems pretty good in fairness though but its not something I would drive.

They are a weak point especially some fella dogging the tyre off with a tyre lever. Otherwise they're ok.

VolvoMan

LFC Murphy wrote: »

Anybody got any thoughts on the SW models

I remember being in the boot of one (don't ask why!) and found it strangely claustraphobic for an estate.

pajo1981 wrote: »

It sits on a lengthened 307 platform, just like the Passat sits on a lengthened Golf plat. Also the interior is far superior to the 307s.

I think it's based on the C5 rather than anything else.

mackrel

I've been looking at a few of these 407's. Seem great value for whats out there.

Row

mackrel wrote: »

I've been looking at a few of these 407's. Seem great value for whats out there.

Are you thinking of petrol or diesel..??

mackrel

Row wrote: »

mackrel wrote: »

I've been looking at a few of these 407's. Seem great value for whats out there.

Are you thinking of petrol or diesel..??

Probably petrol but not sure. I've been looking along the lines of passat bmw a4 but these seem to offer great value for money which may well sway me.

Row

mackrel wrote: »

Probably petrol but not sure. I've been looking along the lines of passat bmw a4 but these seem to offer great value for money which may well sway me.

Tbh there are no major problems with the petrol 407's thats if you can live with the running costs of a petrol...As you can see the resale value on petrol 407 is very poor.
Best of luck...Just watch out for worn balljoints...;)

Satanta

I have had a 04 2.0 diesel for the last few years. The issues I had were:

1. Broken front spring. Not the car's fault. Freeeeeezing temperatures last Jan and enormous speed bumps.
2. ABS sensor needed replacing. Rear left. Not a big job, I got a mate who works at cars to do this. We noted when doing it that the rear right had previously been done. As Row mentioned, this affected the sat nav, cruise control etc.
3. Earth connection in the rear light cluster caused warnings when the brake pedal was pressed. Very easy fix. 10 mins on the internet and I seen how to do it myself.
4. I have the xenon self leveling heads. One of them stopped working for a week (stopped self leveling when turned on). Weird. It is working now.

All in all I really like the car. It is very well finished. I have the HDI Executive with leather trim and a tiptronic/Auto box and colour sat nav. The car, in my opinion, is much better to drive than many of the others I have driven in it's size class (brother has an A4 and a mate has a BMW 3). It's handling is great with it's double wishbone at the front. I would agree that there is a bit of lag when you press go... but seriously, nothing major. I got mine remapped to 160 and it is excellent.

I think if you go in with your eyes open it is a great car. I had what I would describe as only minor problems. Also... way better to drive that the 406. Done know why some people love them so much.

On another note... does anyone know where to get a replacement lid for the armrest in the centre console? I had mine up in the lazy/comfy position, leaned over to open the passenger door and broke it

mackrel

Satanta wrote: »

I have had a 04 2.0 diesel for the last few years. The issues I had were:

1. Broken front spring. Not the car's fault. Freeeeeezing temperatures last Jan and enormous speed bumps.
2. ABS sensor needed replacing. Rear left. Not a big job, I got a mate who works at cars to do this. We noted when doing it that the rear right had previously been done. As Row mentioned, this affected the sat nav, cruise control etc.
3. Earth connection in the rear light cluster caused warnings when the brake pedal was pressed. Very easy fix. 10 mins on the internet and I seen how to do it myself.
4. I have the xenon self leveling heads. One of them stopped working for a week (stopped self leveling when turned on). Weird. It is working now.

All in all I really like the car. It is very well finished. I have the HDI Executive with leather trim and a tiptronic/Auto box and colour sat nav. The car, in my opinion, is much better to drive than many of the others I have driven in it's size class (brother has an A4 and a mate has a BMW 3). It's handling is great with it's double wishbone at the front. I would agree that there is a bit of lag when you press go... but seriously, nothing major. I got mine remapped to 160 and it is excellent.

I think if you go in with your eyes open it is a great car. I had what I would describe as only minor problems. Also... way better to drive that the 406. Done know why some people love them so much.

On another note... does anyone know where to get a replacement lid for the armrest in the centre console? I had mine up in the lazy/comfy position, leaned over to open the passenger door and broke it

Thanks for the post. I'll let you know how I get on.

PaulKK

Satanta wrote: »

I have had a 04 2.0 diesel for the last few years.
.....
The car, in my opinion, is much better to drive than many of the others I have driven in it's size class (brother has an A4 and a mate has a BMW 3).

Driving....You're doing it wrong.

johnos1984

PaulKK wrote: »

Driving....You're doing it wrong.

Not necessarily if it's being compared to a 115bhp A4 or a 318 BMW.

Also depends how much value is being placed on handling and comfort.

PaulKK

johnos1984 wrote: »

Not necessarily if it's being compared to a 115bhp A4 or a 318 BMW.

Also depends how much value is being placed on handling and comfort.

I was referring more so to the 3..

Even a 318i would handle far better than a 407.

A 407 would be a lot more comfortable alright.

Satanta

johnos1984 wrote: »

Not necessarily if it's being compared to a 115bhp A4 or a 318 BMW.

Also depends how much value is being placed on handling and comfort.

He had 2 A4'a, both 130bhp Avante, one was 'sport'. The sport one was too solid to be considered comfortable. The other one was fine, but I still prefer the 407. Driving position and comfort were way better. Mine has fully height adjustable electric seats, which I dont think comes on all models, so maybe that makes a difference too. I didnt find any difference power wise really as the 407 was 136bhp at that stage (before I remapped it). And in practice with the tip box the peugeot was actually a bit faster up to 60. It would do 60 in second gear so there was a full gear change of a difference.

As for the BM. When I went to buy the car I was actually heading off to buy a 320d. I was very dissapointed in the car because I really liked the look of them. I felt the ride was too solid, and when I was driving through a town I never felt as if I was in the right gear. The cabin is cramped. The pedals are too close together and I felt as if I was sitting at an angle as they were closer to the centre of the car. This was an 04 model. I drove the Peugeot and found it ticked all the right boxes for me. My mate has since got the newer 07 version and I tested that as well but didnt find a significant improvement.

As for handling and comfort, the car is set up for for comfort than speed. I obviously place importance in comfort. The 407 is a very smooth car. And handling wise I thin it is also quite good also. I am no boy racer so I dont go throwing it around corners like a tool, but I feel quite confident driving round most secondary roads at the speed limit and the car corners perfectly. The front is grippy and the back follows the front.

I am by no means a brand fan. Just giving my honest opinion.

Cootehill

Sorry for jumping into this conversation - I've had a 2007 407 for just over 2 yrs now and i have to say it has been the best money i spent. Not a minutes hardship with it. I bought it in the north and the spec was top class - full leather, sat nav the full works.Its the 2ltr HDI GT version. Like i said best car i've had so far

Row

I know the 407's suffer from lower balljoint failure due to water ingress(Modified in 08) but i find the roadholding 0n the 407's unreal...Peugeot have always been passionate about roadholding and have always been well in there when it came to updated suspension systems.
Like most french cars the 407's have been somewhat underestimated but tbh they have always been up there compared to the toyota's..vw's..fords etc..:)

I think French cars got there bad name years ago due to poor electrics...but this was due to the fact they were fitting elec windows/Remote C-locking in most of there models 20 years ago when all they other manufacturers were dreaming of these extras....:)

fear tuath

I bought one of these 23 months ago private sale 60kmiles,its was a genuine car with full srevice history and i knew the owner.'now has 135k on is .Biggest heap of crap ever De pollution system faulty,ABS sensors ,Ball joints ,Particle filter (6oo euro),Crank pully disenterigated and nearly cost me my engine,front disks.Its now in Lee motors in Cork with the clutch bearing and fly wheel in bits looking at 1400 euro to fix and they want to give me 2500 on a trade,never again will i buy a Peugeot.:mad:

Row

:mad:

fear tuath wrote: »

I bought one of these 23 months ago private sale 60kmiles,its was a genuine car with full srevice history and i knew the owner.'now has 135k on is .Biggest heap of crap ever De pollution system faulty,ABS sensors ,Ball joints ,Particle filter (6oo euro),Crank pully disenterigated and nearly cost me my engine,front disks.Its now in Lee motors in Cork with the clutch bearing and fly wheel in bits looking at 1400 euro to fix and they want to give me 2500 on a trade,never again will i buy a Peugeot.:mad:

The mad thing is that all modern diesels today have particle or (particulate filters which can block) dual mass flywheels..which fail around 100k mls+..:mad:
I know if you get your main dealer to do all the repairs this will cost a fortune..there are alot of small garages out there who can do this work for alot less......when the particle filter..dual mass flywheel has been replaced then you should be fine for another 100k mls of motoring..sadly owners spend a few grand on these repairs and sell the cars off for a song...

ecospace

completely agree with fear tuath -a piece of crap. The mrs has a 06 1.6 hdi with only 60 k on the clock , in the last 12 months we have replaced

1. Front ball joints - again
2. 2 of the abs sensors
3. Rear light cluster

And just the other day the abs warning popped up again - more sensors i suspect

As the owner in the past of a 406, mondeo & passat among others i would say its the worst car in terms of reliability, build quality and tbh handling i have seen in quite a while. Stay well away is my advice

Row

ecospace wrote: »

completely agree with fear tuath -a piece of crap. The mrs has a 06 1.6 hdi with only 60 k on the clock , in the last 12 months we have replaced

1. Front ball joints - again
2. 2 of the abs sensors
3. Rear light cluster

And just the other day the abs warning popped up again - more sensors i suspect

As the owner in the past of a 406, mondeo & passat among others i would say its the worst car in terms of reliability, build quality and tbh handling i have seen in quite a while. Stay well away is my advice

1. Front ball joints - again common fault but modified in 08.2. 2 of the abs sensors common fault sensors are siemens vdo...once replaced they rarely give trouble.
3. Rear light cluster no need to replace cluster only upgrade rear earth supply...:)

Name me a car that does not give trouble...??....:)

GeneHunt

I've a mate of mine with a 2004 407 1.6 HDi from new, with over 100k miles clocked up - they're very happy with the car, but that's from someone who had a Nissan Primera 2002 (02–08 model) which gave them a lot of trouble! Yes the 407 has had troubles too (as I have read here), the screen in the dash on his 407 is now hard to see, the only thing which is a problem is the button for opening the boot on the boot lid, the zero in (407) has stopped worked, the only way they open the boot now is from the key, is this an earth problem too, or does anyone know what the problem is?

P.S. I checked to see was the button disabled in the menu system - it wasn't. I also checked the contacts in the boot lid button!