What is wrong with the irish....

globalwarrior

G'day ...

I just had to join’ boards ie’ for one reason and one reason only –

to ask this question...

I am Irish living overseas and shocked and disgusted by the numbed out news press coverage around the Shell to sea issue at Rossport in Co – Mayo.

Moreover, I am even more disgusted by the numbed out lack of support portrayed by the irish people. The lack of objection and support displayed by the vast majority of Irish people is another example of the new found Irish tendency to exhibit unquestioned obedience to authority figures.

The first been with the banks bail out!

Has the Celtic tiger anesthetised you all...

Or what?

Permabear

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The Orb

If you're so passionate about it why don't you come back and do something about it

Benny_Cake

globalwarrior wrote: »

G'day ...

I just had to join’ boards i’ for one reason and one reason only –

to ask this question...

I am Irish living overseas and shocked and disgusted by the numbed out news press coverage around the Shell to sea issue at Rossport in Co – Mayo.

Moreover, I am even more disgusted by the numbed out lack of support portrayed by the irish people. The lack of objection and support displayed by the vast majority of Irish people is another example of the new found Irish tendency to exhibit unquestioned obedience to authority figures.

The first been with the banks bail out!

Has the Celtic tiger anesthetised you all...

Or what?

You only heard about Shell to Sea now?! The campaign has been going on for years you know.

globalwarrior

I guess living overseas has romanticised my views...

Well reading about the Shell to Sea fiasco has really woke me up from my slumber!!!

I cannot believe that every man, woman and child have not been out there protesting, and what is even more nutty to me, is the fact that those few brave citizens that have done so, are been criticised and ill-treated???

I take my hat off to them!


The documentary the pipe has is winning global accolades; I am embarrassed to say I knew nothing about it before this, despite reading the weekly Irish newspapers online over the years –but I’m thinking that was exactly what the national media wanted...
and the succeeded in their goal.

Well the pipe documentary has put many to shame!

globalwarrior

ob - typical!!!

Blisterman

Yes, an oil pipe is the biggest problem facing Ireland today...

globalwarrior

I have not seen the documentary yet, but it has caught the worlds attention.

I have odered the book, but gaining access to veiw the doc will be tricky enough, don't suppose it will be shown at my local cinema anytime soon,

...wonder if it will be available for sale anytime soon?

globalwarrior

Blisterman - its not as if you couldnt be doing with the money

symbolic

globalwarrior wrote: »

I have odered the book, but gaining access to veiw the doc will be tricky enough, don't suppose it will be shown at my local cinema anytime soon,

...wonder if it will be available for sale anytime soon?

it was televised on tg4 and available to buy here: http://thepipe.myshopify.com/

RMD

Yes, of all the problems facing the country right now our biggest is a project that will actually make us money.

globalwarrior

Thanks symbolic - I will try and chase it down and when I do I will probably take obs advice and jump on a plane.... sure what harm can I do??

Only.... Im thinking I am far too late, and those irish winters........

The Orb

globalwarrior wrote: »

ob - typical!!!

Typical? You are criticising from abroad, you don't appear to be doing anything yourself so what right have you to criticise. You may jot he aware that the country is facing other issues at the moment.

Padraig Mor

globalwarrior wrote: »

G'day ...

I just had to join’ boards ie’ for one reason and one reason only –

to ask this question...

I am Irish living overseas and shocked and disgusted by the numbed out news press coverage around the Shell to sea issue at Rossport in Co – Mayo.

Moreover, I am even more disgusted by the numbed out lack of support portrayed by the irish people. The lack of objection and support displayed by the vast majority of Irish people is another example of the new found Irish tendency to exhibit unquestioned obedience to authority figures.

The first been with the banks bail out!

Has the Celtic tiger anesthetised you all...

Or what?

The reason for the 'numbed out' coverage of the S2S issue is that the overwhelming majority of the Irish population, including those in the pipeline area, support the project and realise that S2S are just a combination of professional protestors and deluded nutjobs.

veritable

Padraig Mor wrote: »

The reason for the 'numbed out' coverage of the S2S issue is that the overwhelming majority of the Irish population, including those in the pipeline area, support the project and realise that S2S are just a combination of professional protestors and deluded nutjobs.

Hear, hear. Well-said. Professional agitators is how I would describe the failed ideologues and zealots of the S2S mob. There is massive local and nationwide support for the project.

Yahew

Always amused by people who oppose authority figures etc. and merely quote another - i.e. Adam Curtis. This documentary I saw. Noam Chomsky.

The only problem I see with Shell is that we didn't tax enough for the original revenue. The rest is nimbyism.

Kev_ps3

globalwarrior wrote: »

G'day ...

I just had to join’ boards ie’ for one reason and one reason only –

to ask this question...

I am Irish living overseas and shocked and disgusted by the numbed out news press coverage around the Shell to sea issue at Rossport in Co – Mayo.

Moreover, I am even more disgusted by the numbed out lack of support portrayed by the irish people. The lack of objection and support displayed by the vast majority of Irish people is another example of the new found Irish tendency to exhibit unquestioned obedience to authority figures.

The first been with the banks bail out!

Has the Celtic tiger anesthetised you all...

Or what?

Most Irish people are blonde westernized bimbos who frown on anything Irish. Im sure if the Brits joined the protest they would change their minds.

meglome

Padraig Mor wrote: »

The reason for the 'numbed out' coverage of the S2S issue is that the overwhelming majority of the Irish population, including those in the pipeline area, support the project and realise that S2S are just a combination of professional protestors and deluded nutjobs.

as I'm in Dublin I sometimes don't know quite who to believe but one thing's for sure some of the Shell to sea people are outright liars and obviously have their own agenda.



Still an improvement on the trillions they were claiming.

feicim

veritable wrote: »

Hear, hear. Well-said. Professional agitators is how I would describe the failed ideologues and zealots of the S2S mob. There is massive local and nationwide support for the project.

Don't confuse "massive local and nationwide" apathy with "massive local and nationwide" support.:eek:

Unless of course you have some proof of "massive local and nationwide" support...

JohnMarston

Our apathy is our greatest weakness

Callan57

IMO a lot of the support they had initially has been alianated by the activities of some of the objectors ... there is an element who come across, to a neutral observer, as a thoroughly unsavory rabble rousing mob who seem to be of the opinion that shouting No constitutes rational argument. IMO the campaign has not been well handled & has unfortunately allowed itself to be hijacted.

gman2k

RMD wrote: »

Yes, of all the problems facing the country right now our biggest is a project that will actually make us money.

A project that will enhance the Norwegian taxpayer to a much greater extent than the Irish who actually own the resource.

meglome

gman2k wrote: »

A project that will enhance the Norwegian taxpayer to a much greater extent than the Irish who actually own the resource.

Huh? How do you figure the Norwegian taxpayer benefits?

And that's leaving aside how much gas has been landed (none).

mgmt

In Noway, 78% of exploration expenditure is refunded by the taxpayer.

• 2.5billion euro has been spent on the Corrib Gas Field so far.
• 3billion euro will be added to the Irish GDP over the life of field.
• It is currently providing 815 badly needed jobs.
• It will provide badly needed energy security to Ireland for over 10 years.

There is 1trillion cubic feet of gas in Corrib, and not all of that can be recovered.

This is a great project for Ireland.

pog it

globalwarrior wrote: »

I guess living overseas has romanticised my views...

Well reading about the Shell to Sea fiasco has really woke me up from my slumber!!!

I cannot believe that every man, woman and child have not been out there protesting, and what is even more nutty to me, is the fact that those few brave citizens that have done so, are been criticised and ill-treated???

I take my hat off to them!


The documentary the pipe has is winning global accolades; I am embarrassed to say I knew nothing about it before this, despite reading the weekly Irish newspapers online over the years –but I’m thinking that was exactly what the national media wanted...
and the succeeded in their goal.

Well the pipe documentary has put many to shame!

There is a very sad fact. The majority of people are not particularly bright. It's the same majority who voted in FF constantly, and who are now cheering on FG and Enda Kenny.

The rest of us are in the minority and won't have the effect we need to ever achieve a more intelligent society.

Zubeneschamali

The term you are looking for is Untermenschen.

Einhard

globalwarrior wrote: »

I have not seen the documentary yet, but it has caught the worlds attention.

I have odered the book, but gaining access to veiw the doc will be tricky enough, don't suppose it will be shown at my local cinema anytime soon,

...wonder if it will be available for sale anytime soon?

Why bother investigating further, when you've alread made up your mind on the issue?

The reason people aren't out protesting about the pipeline, is because the majority of people don't see it as an issue. Nothing to do with a passive nature or anything of that crap. You want to protest against it? Be my guest- we could use your tourist dollars. And you'd fit in quite well with all the other foreigners milling about at the protests.

Einhard

pog it wrote: »

There is a very sad fact. The majority of people are not particularly bright. It's the same majority who voted in FF constantly, and who are now cheering on FG and Enda Kenny.

The rest of us are in the minority and won't have the effect we need to ever achieve a more intelligent society.

Just stop posting here a bit and you might see the intelligence levels of boards rise significantly...

dsmythy

I'll refer to this post from February.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70867166&postcount=47

RMD

Anyone know where the protesters are getting the money from to sustain a continuous protest?

Inverse to the power of one!

globalwarrior wrote: »

G'day ...

I just had to join’ boards ie’ for one reason and one reason only –

to ask this question...

I am Irish living overseas and shocked and disgusted by the numbed out news press coverage around the Shell to sea issue at Rossport in Co – Mayo.

Moreover, I am even more disgusted by the numbed out lack of support portrayed by the irish people. The lack of objection and support displayed by the vast majority of Irish people is another example of the new found Irish tendency to exhibit unquestioned obedience to authority figures.

The first been with the banks bail out!

Has the Celtic tiger anesthetised you all...

Or what?

Wonderful news OP!!!
Said protesters are as outspoken, shocked, disgusted and well researched in their views as you!

And better yet! You can go join them with the multitude of other like minded people in the wonderful climes of Mayo at the Rossport camp where you may pray for our salvation.

In the meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to obsess about the dismal state of our Society, Government, Economy and future of the nation.....

Maybe in about 30 years and 200+ Billion Eurons, we'll come see you in Rossport.

pog it

Einhard wrote: »

Just stop posting here a bit and you might see the intelligence levels of boards rise significantly...

Ah did something I say touch a nerve?

Cummybaby

Sorry buddy but I am bit busy worrying where the next 20 euros is gonna come from. Its sad what's happening in Rossport but that is the way the world works. Do you think ordinary decent people can win against an aggressive and powerful multi-billion dollar corporation? I dont think so. The game was up once the deal was signed.

Einhard

Cummybaby wrote: »

Do you think ordinary decent people can win against an aggressive and powerful multi-billion dollar corporation? I dont think so. The game was up once the deal was signed.

Sorry buddy, but you seem to be forgetting about the many ordinary decent people who actually support the scheme.

Cummybaby

Einhard wrote: »

Sorry buddy, but you seem to be forgetting about the many ordinary decent people who actually support the scheme.

Well then you should make a documentary about the local people who jumped in bed with these ruthless money hungry blood suckers. Maybe you could show the world what is going to happen when the resource is eventually depleted and "ordinary decent people" have served their use.

PseudoFamous

RMD wrote: »

Anyone know where the protesters are getting the money from to sustain a continuous protest?

Well, the protesters from the Glen of the Downs malarkey weren't even Irish for the most part. Plenty of them were British. Better still is the fact that when they finally admitted defeat, they went straight to Wicklowcoco and began seeking housing. Obviously, due to, you know, being a smelly nuisance to the council, their request was turned down. Better still was the fact that one of them handcuffed himself to a bannister.

Due to this, I would suspect that the majority of their protest money comes from the dole.

Grudaire

Einhard wrote: »

Sorry buddy, but you seem to be forgetting about the many ordinary decent people who actually support the scheme.

Hmmm.... almighty Google has to be asked:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pro_Gas_Mayo_Group


It's wrong to say that people support it, when in fact they are too self-centred to really give two flying flucks.
People are happy with the status quo, don't forget the same public were happy sleep-walking into the economic meltdown as the Corrib Gas Project was starting. Don't mistake not being bothered with support.

globalwarrior

Well thank you everyone for all of your opinions and responses, I did arrive here and admit my lack of knowledge, since the only views I have had access to be that of the social media and the material (albeit limited) put out by the national media.
I have found all of your views to be helpful, bar the odd one that is clearly on here as an alternative to dealing with their own bitterness issues. I will continue to research this issue as certainly eveything I have read and learnt todate - bothers me terribly!

I will continue to read all views and would appreciate any relevant website addresses or reading material you can recommend.

Thanks

InigoMontoya

Cummybaby wrote: »

Well then you should make a documentary about the local people who jumped in bed with these ruthless money hungry blood suckers. Maybe you could show the world what is going to happen when the resource is eventually depleted and "ordinary decent people" have served their use.

Well, what do you think is going to happen to them?

oscarBravo

Cliste wrote: »

It's wrong to say that people support it, when in fact they are too self-centred to really give two flying flucks.

You're absolutely right - you are, after all, the undisputed expert on what everybody thinks.

Wait a sec, who are you again, and how do you know what I do and don't support?

rounding tattenham Corner

globalwarrior wrote: »

G'day ...

I just had to join’ boards ie’ for one reason and one reason only –

to ask this question...

I am Irish living overseas and shocked and disgusted by the numbed out news press coverage around the Shell to sea issue at Rossport in Co – Mayo.

Moreover, I am even more disgusted by the numbed out lack of support portrayed by the irish people. The lack of objection and support displayed by the vast majority of Irish people is another example of the new found Irish tendency to exhibit unquestioned obedience to authority figures.

The first been with the banks bail out!

Has the Celtic tiger anesthetised you all...

Or what?

Another misty eyed paddy abroad, if you fancy doing something about it come back otherwise keep your nose out of our(the taxpayers) business.

Most of us in Ireland are to busy working trying to make a few bob, can't be bothered going off to northwest Mayo to join the other layabouts protesting.

Zubeneschamali

rounding tattenham Corner wrote: »

Most of us in Ireland are to busy working trying to make a few bob, can't be bothered going off to northwest Mayo to join the other layabouts protesting.

I must object. I'm not just too busy to join this protest, I disagree with it. I thought these protestors were a useless bunch of BANANAs from day one, long before the current economic crisis broke.

Irishstabber

Blisterman wrote: »

Yes, an oil pipe is the biggest problem facing Ireland today...

Well hold on a minute. If we didn't sell our gas reserves off Corrib then we would be looking at a substantial income from it.

Wouldn't that alleviate some of our problems?

globalwarrior

You know folks...

The bitterness and lack of intelligent dialogue on here prompted me to retreat after only a few posts, but on the whole I done so politly thanking everyone for their input etc, without engaging in any direct conflict with individuals who had being personal and RUDE.

Clearly Im attempting to access the wrong mode of media if I am to learn anything about this subject.

I have been insulted, named a tourist and a misty eyed paddy...

I realise this is only a small percentage of an irish sample group, but have reached the conclusion that you mob deserve everything you have settled for and you have settled.

Again to those few that have been courteous and responded with insight

Thank you

globalwarrior

RTC - ^^^ otherwise keep your nose out of our(the taxpayers) business ^^^

Your Redneck Ideology is Astounding

whatstherush

globalwarrior wrote: »

RTC - ^^^ otherwise keep your nose out of our(the taxpayers) business ^^^

Your Redneck Ideology is Astounding

If you want to know where the hostility comes from, look at the title of your post, it's condescending as fúck

globalwarrior

The overall tone was polite and im sorry if you found it condecending ...

My question was just that, a question... as in a general enquiry.

Moreover, I am not the one that has resorted to swearing??

whatstherush

globalwarrior wrote: »

The overall tone was polite and im sorry if you found it condecending ...

So this is polite, accusing the majority of the Irish people being stooges for the big bad oil company, would hate to see your insults.

globalwarrior wrote: »

Moreover, I am even more disgusted by the numbed out lack of support portrayed by the irish people. The lack of objection and support displayed by the vast majority of Irish people is another example of the new found Irish tendency to exhibit unquestioned obedience to authority figures.

globalwarrior wrote: »

My question was just that, a question... as in a general enquiry.

Is this your question, cause you seem to have made up your mind on everything else involving corrib.

globalwarrior wrote: »

Has the Celtic tiger anesthetised you all...

Lockstep

globalwarrior wrote: »

RTC - ^^^ otherwise keep your nose out of our(the taxpayers) business ^^^

Your Redneck Ideology is Astounding

Lay off the personal abuse.

globalwarrior

WTR - whatever!

globalwarrior

Lockstep -

RTC - ^^^ otherwise keep your nose out of our(the taxpayers) business ^^^

Globalwarrior ^^^ Your Redneck Ideology is Astounding ^^^

Not sure which of us you are addressing?

But in all fairness, I was responding to what I consider abusive....

Since when did paying tax (or not) determine one's citizenship?

Taking the current economic conditions into account, this line

of thinking promotes the 'idea' that all irish people are citizens,

....but some are greater citizens than others???

Yep – I find that redneck thinking !