Meego based Nokia N9

jesus_thats_gre

I am surprised that no on has posted about this yet. There is an N900 thread but that is a different device.

It looks like a beautiful handset and the OS looks to be quite well thought out - very responsive too:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/nokia-n9-first-hands-on/

Eoin_Sheehy

That's a beautiful looking phone, I haven't seen a negative comment about it yet, really wondering why Nokia is dumping MeeGo for Windows Phone now, I would love to buy it!

jesus_thats_gre

They aren't dumping Meego though. W7 will be their primary OS but there will still be Meego development.

coley

don't see Ireland listed as one of the countries for release
http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/check-availability
hopefully we'll see this list amended.

-Coley.

g0g

Think there's a post about it in upcoming phones! Again I'll ask the question here - why the hell are Nokia putting anything other than Xenon flashes on phones these days? Does it impact too much on size, weight, cost or battery life?

Oafley Jones

It's a fantastic looking phone. I'd take that design over my iPhone 4's anyday.

smegheadz

For the availability question that list was for the nokia shop's online, uk, usa aren't even listed because nokia closed their shops online and are selling through 3rd parties. eg expansys.

for the xenon flash comment, it would have impacted the size and thickness of the device,
The camera is up there with the n8 though. there's lots of info floating around about how good the camera is.

I've the n900 and i love it, has it's drawbacks but they weren't that big for me. This device is alot more user friendly and i've gone through loads of documentation from nokia to find out more about it.

check out www.swipe.nokia.com for a run through of it.

I was thinking that a windows phone 7 would be my next device in a year or so but after seeing this i have to get it. High quality craftsmanship, gorilla glass, amazing camera. extremely fast and optimized operating system. no need to jailbreak it has an option in the settings to switch developer mode on or off. not restricted to 1 location to download games/apps.

If you want to stand out from the crowd and have what the iphone and androids should have been i suggest you look it up and when it's released try it out.

jimmycrackcorm

The WP7 version of this phone will be stunning.

matrim

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

They aren't dumping Meego though. W7 will be their primary OS but there will still be Meego development.

My understanding is that Nokia are pulling out of the Meego as a phone OS after this. They may keep some interest in Meego as a tablet platform but I think that most of that push is coming from Intel.

There's also the fact that meego is heavily designed to use QT as the dev platform which Nokia have also pushed back / dropped and won't be porting to WP7

smegheadz

matrim wrote: »

My understanding is that Nokia are pulling out of the Meego as a phone OS after this. They may keep some interest in Meego as a tablet platform but I think that most of that push is coming from Intel.

There's also the fact that meego is heavily designed to use QT as the dev platform which Nokia have also pushed back / dropped and won't be porting to WP7

Nokia have always stated that meego will be for future and wp7 will be their "main" smartphone platform, maemo was never the main and i don't think meego will be either any time soon.

Qt is also not being pushed back but pushed forward, especially since the latest version. Qt is used on multiple platforms from linux to windows to mobiles to in-car systems. given that the whole world seems to be drooling over the UX nokia has released with meego 1.2 on the N9 (and it's hard to make engadget vlad the nokia hater like anything nokia let alone drool)

I don't think it will get as much support as wp7 but i don't think it needs to be supported beyond a year as a device.

jimmynokia

its an savage looking phone BUT im worried about support look at the N900 which is NAEMO one device will nokia continue support for this as they are focused on windows devices now and symbian3
if you like that look at this

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_nokiat/

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_first_wp7_device_codenamed_sea_ray_breaks_loose-news-2816.php

smegheadz

jimmynokia wrote: »

its an savage looking phone BUT im worried about support look at the N900 which is NAEMO one device will nokia continue support for this as they are focused on windows devices now and symbian3
if you like that look at this

http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_nokiat/

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokias_first_wp7_device_codenamed_sea_ray_breaks_loose-news-2816.php

What type of support do you want? with the n900 i wanted bug's fixed so it was more stable and 1 or 2 features added. and yes a little let down they stopped pushing it but they fixed a lot of bugs.

The difference with the n9 is that even if nokia only give the same amount of support it will still be an amazing device which won't lack much at all. Qt is the big thing for this and symbian and there's alot of developers using it and i would image it'd make sense to use Qt on meego platform also.
I'd suggest waiting until it's release to see how it goes but i wouldn't worry so much about support unless it's half baked (which we can see it isn't) or unless you want to have a massive app store (not to bothered about that, out of box experience with out the need of apps to make it a good phone for me please.)

jimmynokia

smegheadz wrote: »

What type of support do you want? with the n900 i wanted bug's fixed so it was more stable and 1 or 2 features added. and yes a little let down they stopped pushing it but they fixed a lot of bugs.

The difference with the n9 is that even if nokia only give the same amount of support it will still be an amazing device which won't lack much at all. Qt is the big thing for this and symbian and there's alot of developers using it and i would image it'd make sense to use Qt on meego platform also.
I'd suggest waiting until it's release to see how it goes but i wouldn't worry so much about support unless it's half baked (which we can see it isn't) or unless you want to have a massive app store (not to bothered about that, out of box experience with out the need of apps to make it a good phone for me please.)

im not really bothered about the N900 mate but nokia have alot of issues with updating their products go to the forums and check out symbian ANNA,plus other devices like S60,thats at its end now anyway.
I like this N9 myself bud dont get me wrong.

smegheadz

i'm not to bothered about symbian because it didn't age very well. i moved from n95 8gb to the n900, and i don't think i'll ever go back to symbian, i've used android and ios and wp7 but i don't like how locked in i am to their way of doing things. eg ios have to use itunes and it's a feature phone withough apps. wp7 isn't that great, it's still the same old winmobile underneath and microsofts track record of ditching win mobile versions is near criminal! android is pretend open, very bloated and needs high end hardware to make it work, is becoming more and more fragmented and i don't like any of the interfaces i've used so far. meego without nokia's UX looked terrible but it's very solid and run well on lower spec hardware so cheaper to build. just hope LG do a nice UX for their meego phone.

smegheadz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ8UVHGAzfs&feature=youtu.be
HAHA check out his reaction to the N9 announcement.

AntiVirus

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

They aren't dumping Meego though. W7 will be their primary OS but there will still be Meego development.

They have confirmed this week no matter how successful the N9 is they will be dropping the Meego os. I can't post a link but you'll find them with a quick Google

Plowman

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smegheadz

they wont be dropping meego but the n9 will be the last harmattan device, theres a huge difference. the n9 is not a true meego device but maemo6, the important thing to remember is that meego will be developed still and that is heavily steeped in Qt whcih means you can have all those lovely apps/games easily. also you can put meego handset ce on it too.

AntiVirus

smegheadz wrote: »

they wont be dropping meego but the n9 will be the last harmattan device, theres a huge difference. the n9 is not a true meego device but maemo6, the important thing to remember is that meego will be developed still and that is heavily steeped in Qt whcih means you can have all those lovely apps/games easily. also you can put meego handset ce on it too.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/nokias-stephen-elop-is-still-over-meego-even-if-the-n9-is-a-hi/

Dropped like a hot potato!

KrisW

You need to make a distinction between "OS", "API" and "User Experience". The OS (the bit that handles the hardware, schedules the tasks and lets applications run; the bit that is based on Linux) is going; Qt, the main API libraries (the bits that application developers use to make apps) is still continuing, and the new User Experience (the set of applications that provide the features of the phone to the user) is also continuing.

At the "leak" of Nokia's Windows Phone prototype, Elop said: "there is a whole collection of innovation available in the N9 that is going to live on [...] we're not saying exactly what device, or when or how, but the user experience you see here is something that will live on as well". (here's the video)

My guess is that while there's a chance that much of this Qt-based UI will make it to future Symbian updates too, this work is really for Nokia's lower product lines: As the hardware that currently runs Series40 becomes more capable, Nokia will bring Qt to these devices, and with it, this new user experience. Bringing Qt to lower-end devices has already been announced as part of Nokia's "Next Billion" plans.

Windows Phone will replace everything that now runs Symbian; Qt-based devices will fill in below in what used to be called the "Featurephone" market, and this is where the major opportunity for application developers lies.

TechnoKid

Stephen Elop is a *beep*. He has made bad decision after bad decision. He is basically a Microsoft puppet, mainly because he worked there before he came to Nokia. Lets list a few decisions:

1. "Let's use WP7 as our primary operating system!" I am in no way against Nokia adopting WP7 but making it the primary operating system? It's a down-right puppet. Symbian and MeeGo have more support, They are open and the media loves MeeGo.. Not so much Symbian but the people who have looked at Symbian Belle (The upcoming version of Symbian) described it as: "This could change Symbian and how people think of it" and "I'm thinking of buying this....[When it comes out]". Another thing: Nokia don't even have a WP7 released.

2. "Nokia will abandon Symbian" Symbian is still a very large platform and Symbian Belle looks extremely promising....

3. "Nokia will abandon MeeGo" While Nokia will still "test" on MeeGo, They won't be making phones made with MeeGo even though the N9 could be a massive hit (it would be but Nokia aren't supplying it in their main market... I know, It's just *beep*)

There is plenty more reasons on this webpage:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/7/5/wanna-be-the-ceo-of-nokia-take-the-simple-quiz.aspx?pageid=1

Another Webpage, This is pleading for Stephen Elop to be fired:
http://www.firestephenelop.com/

jimmycrackcorm

TechnoKid wrote: »

1. "Let's use WP7 as our primary operating system!" I am in no way against Nokia adopting WP7 but making it the primary operating system? It's a down-right puppet. Symbian and MeeGo have more support, They are open and the media loves MeeGo.. Not so much Symbian but the people who have looked at Symbian Belle (The upcoming version of Symbian) described it as: "This could change Symbian and how people think of it" and "I'm thinking of buying this....[When it comes out]". Another thing: Nokia don't even have a WP7 released.

Symbian is dying just as RIM is dying too. The only growth area for Symbian is in the very low-cost devices that are pushed out into third world countries.

Nokia don't have a WP7 device yet but Neither does MS have a symbiotic hardware partner so the Nokia / MS link up is going to really gain a lot of traction for WP7. Using both Android and WP7 development platforms, I can see how appealing WP7 app development is going to become.

The media doesn't love Meego, the media loves the iPhone and then Android somewhat.

Symbian Belle is too little, too late and doesn't address the fundamentals. It also doesn't help that symbian and touch screen are associated with being a horrible mis-match.

kirving

Symbian was never designed to be a touch-screen OS alright, but I think Symbian^3 (and capacitive) screens helped a great deal. S60 was, and still is a fantastic keypad OS, but with that success, Nokia couldn't just halt it there - but it didn't well at a critical time. I blame that on the resistive screen.

At first I was unhappy about WP7, but I'm actually looking forward to it on Nokia devices when I see it's ever-expanding capabilities and new approach. I hope Nokia WP7 devies have additional capabilites in relation to other WP7 manufacturers, such as maps and Nokia Beta Labs. Nokia's in house developers are actually very inventive and should be kept on.

richard2010

Lovely phone. Would love one. Just have to hold my breath and hope Nokia release it here!

TechnoKid

Stephen Elop has confirmed that Nokia will release a consumer WP7 by the end of the year. A leaked phone called the "Nokia Sea Ray" has a few pictures and specifications.

Venom

TechnoKid wrote: »

Stephen Elop has confirmed that Nokia will release a consumer WP7 by the end of the year. A leaked phone called the "Nokia Sea Ray" has a few pictures and specifications.

Demo of a working Sea Ray device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl_zUFprjbA

Looks ok but I still wouldn't touch a nokia phone again.

evolutionqy7

smegheadz wrote: »

i'm not to bothered about symbian because it didn't age very well. i moved from n95 8gb to the n900, and i don't think i'll ever go back to symbian, i've used android and ios and wp7 but i don't like how locked in i am to their way of doing things. eg ios have to use itunes and it's a feature phone withough apps. wp7 isn't that great, it's still the same old winmobile underneath and microsofts track record of ditching win mobile versions is near criminal! android is pretend open, very bloated and needs high end hardware to make it work, is becoming more and more fragmented and i don't like any of the interfaces i've used so far. meego without nokia's UX looked terrible but it's very solid and run well on lower spec hardware so cheaper to build. just hope LG do a nice UX for their meego phone.

There's a big difference what win mo and wp7. Its not windows mobile under it either.

You might not like iTunes or Zune. But people don't know how to do it any other way. Their drag and drop definition is drag the phone onto the laptop.

While I also used to hate iTunes and Zune I managed to grow into it. Don't have to look for folders anymore. Just right click and sync. Either way wp7 has a program that enables it to work as usb storage. Don't even need to jailbreak

TechnoKid

LG have said they won't be developing and releasing the proto-type phone. Also, I hope Nokia is just dropping MeeGo until the next version . Others have been speculating that Stephen Elop will be killing MeeGo but certain popular features will be integrated into WP7, being Nokia exclusive.

KrisW

Symbian was never designed to be a touch-screen OS alright

Um... yes it was. The last Psion organisers, on whose OS Symbian is based, had touch. The Ericsson R380, one of the first Symbian mobiles, was a touch-screen (followed by the SonyEricsson P800/P900).

Nokia's Series60 was unusual for not having touch support, but their abandoned Symbian-based Series70 did (Nokia 7700).

The problem was the Series60 with the AVKON UI toolkit quickly became Nokia's mainstay OS, and it was the least touch-friendly of them all. Symbian3 removed most of the nasty touch-unfriendly side-effects from AVKON. The latest Anna cleans up some small things, and the forthcoming Belle is as touch-friendly as Android. Of course, if like most "Symbian" developers, you write your apps against the Qt API, rather than Symbian3/AVKON, all of this is irrelevant. Qt has very good touch and gesture support, and you get it for free.

By the way, the N9 has "global release" according to Nokia Developer. This means Nokia will offer it to mobile operators in every country. I've read that Vodafone UK are taking it, but don't have a launch date.

If you want to see it in Ireland, call in to your local Vodafone/O2/Three/Meteor/eMobile and ask them if they'll have an N9 for you when your contract renews. These enquiries are usually recorded in some way to gauge interest.

Failing that, buy it online, sim-free. It'll be pretty much the same price as a PAYG version anyway.

@TechnoKid - MeeGo will not be used by Nokia for phones. This isn't going to change. The straightforward reason was that it would not be ready for mass-market use. The N9 is not MeeGo; it's Maemo6 with the Harmattan UI, and MeeGo-compatible libraries. To all intents and purposes (the ones that matter to most users) that's good enough; but the fact that this phone is using the Maemo kernel is a pretty big advertisment that the core OS of MeeGo was not ready for Nokia's hardware.
There's a lot of bitching at Nokia for this, but it's Intel who dropped the ball here - they were supposed to have a low-power Atom smartphone design, and even showed prototypes, but it's still not here; N9 runs on an ARM, not Intel, System-on-Chip.

Jaafa

So any word if this will be released here?

Also do people expect it to be supported in the future?

Jaafa

So any word if this will be released here?

Also do people expect it to be supported in the future?

I saw that it may be able to run android apps too. http://techbu.com/2011/06/23/meego-powered-nokia-n9-will-run-android-applications-seamlessly-with-alien-dalvik-android-emulator

evolutionqy7

Jaafa wrote: »

So any word if this will be released here?

Also do people expect it to be supported in the future?

I saw that it may be able to run android apps too. http://techbu.com/2011/06/23/meego-powered-nokia-n9-will-run-android-applications-seamlessly-with-alien-dalvik-android-emulator

Nokia rep told me it will not be.

But usually phone company reps are full of **** so hang on to see.

Jaafa

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Nokia rep told me it will not be.

But usually phone company reps are full of **** so hang on to see.

I'd imagine I could still get it off expansey or such?

evolutionqy7

Jaafa wrote: »

I'd imagine I could still get it off expansey or such?

Obviously since nokia shut down its online sales sites it relies on the likes of expansys to distribute its phones of non retail sites.

Apparent count down till it launches in 49 days

http://swipe.nokia.se/

Alanstrainor

Jaafa wrote: »

Also do people expect it to be supported in the future?

Look at the N900 as an example. Meego will be supported briefly and then it'll be done. Especially considering it's limited market i wouldn't bet on getting much support tbh.

Jaafa

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Look at the N900 as an example. Meego will be supported briefly and then it'll be done. Especially considering it's limited market i wouldn't bet on getting much support tbh.

I've a feeling tho,based on the reception online, that it'll sell pretty well. Perhaps then Nokia will step up?

Alanstrainor

Jaafa wrote: »

I've a feeling tho,based on the reception online, that it'll sell pretty well. Perhaps then Nokia will step up?

I really don't think they will. Only time will tell i suppose. But I certainly wouldn't be dropping any cash on it if support from Nokia is one of your concerns.

evolutionqy7

Alanstrainor wrote: »

I really don't think they will. Only time will tell i suppose. But I certainly wouldn't be dropping any cash on it if support from Nokia is one of your concerns.

Thats why going for Nokia WP7 phone is a much smarter choice as Microsoft is the one who writes updates.

Hey and it looks the same with the added Camera button on the side

Heart Break Kid

played with the n9 during training, its really nice, smooth and i love meego, shame it wont be backed properly... N9 is an awesome phone but only with teh Meego os, not interest in the windows version

AntiVirus

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

Thats why going for Nokia WP7 phone is a much smarter choice as Microsoft is the one who writes updates.

Hey and it looks the same with the added Camera button on the side

I'd be very tempted to get one of these with WP7 on it but I'm expecting Nokia to have an even higher spec phone out at the same time for WP7. This phone is just a nice distraction for everyone

evolutionqy7

AntiVirus wrote: »

I'd be very tempted to get one of these with WP7 on it but I'm expecting Nokia to have an even higher spec phone out at the same time for WP7. This phone is just a nice distraction for everyone

Well hopefully we will. Do remember up to this day nokia has struggled to put a device on the market that matches the performance of todays smartphones. So hopefully we will see a market first, and not just another 1ghz handset. As said before they need something really special, not just one unique selling point, but many over android and ios phones

Mimikyu

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Jaafa

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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Nokia really are shooting themselves in the foot. The only reason they are doing this is because they fear people wont buy the WP7 version of the phone when it comes out. Bad idea IMO.

Raskolnikov

What a joke! All that work and money into Meego and they're not even going to attempt to sell the thing.

da wiseguy

there is a lot of disinformation flying around too - one site says not coming here, other site says it is coming here....how the hell are you supposed to know what is right...!?

AntiVirus

Jaafa wrote: »

Nokia really are shooting themselves in the foot. The only reason they are doing this is because they fear people wont buy the WP7 version of the phone when it comes out. Bad idea IMO.

Thats complete rubbish! They will be selling the Nokia N9 phones in the same countries where they will be selling their WP7 phones. Use your brain and try to figure out why. :rolleyes:

Jaafa

AntiVirus wrote: »

Thats complete rubbish! They will be selling the Nokia N9 phones in the same countries where they will be selling their WP7 phones. Use your brain and try to figure out why. :rolleyes:

People were hating Nokia for a long time now. N9 with meego came along and everyone thought they had turned things around. I know a lot of people we're dying to get this phone with meego. They're gona piss people off with this move. In at least 2 big big markets. Anyway you put it, that's a bad move.

Frankly meego is the only thing that really makes this phone stand out from the crowd. Without it its just another windows phone with a better camera. It'll be lost in the WP7 pool IMO.Because you can bet the next range from HTC etc are gona be dual-core, 8mp camera etc, and then it'll have nothing at all going for it.

I just think it would have sold better or at least as well with meego instead of WP7.

AntiVirus

Jaafa wrote: »

Nokia really are shooting themselves in the foot. The only reason they are doing this is because they fear people wont buy the WP7 version of the phone when it comes out. Bad idea IMO.

I don't think you know that Nokia are not selling the N9 or the WP7 (SeaRay) version in the US

Jaafa

AntiVirus wrote: »

I don't think you know that Nokia are not selling the N9 or the WP7 (SeaRay) version in the US

Well then this decision makes even less sense. With skip this market completely?
I heard something about it not supporting carriers? Whats that about?

AntiVirus

Jaafa wrote: »

Well then this decision makes even less sense. With skip this market completely?
I heard something about it not supporting carriers? Whats that about?

They haven't done anything in the US market todate so they have to start a fresh and to do this they have to have different handsets, not just release with one but with a cheap low end phone, mid range phone and a high spec phone. In the US Nokia will only sell WP7 phones, nothing else well maybe Windows 8 tablets at some point. Nokia cannot sell the N9 there for there plan to work, there going forward with WP7 as there only OS in the US and can't release a Meego phone there, not only that there advertising will be part paid for by Microsoft.

Chris Weber (US Nokia head) only release their plan yesterday.
http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lays-out-its-plan-to-conquer-america/

Jaafa

Well fair enough about America but surly in thery're stronghold of europe you would think they'd keep it up. They're not releasing it in Germany too. http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/nokia-n9-gets-axed-in-germany-global-tour-looks-even-more-meage/

At this rate it's gona be a collectible.