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Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary
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21-06-2011 2:18pm#1
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After viewing this teaser I'm really excited. I do like the Halo-verse. 'tis a guilty pleasure.
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Can't wait for this myself, loved the game even though I never got into Halo multiplayer.
Apparently there is plenty of awesomeness as you can switch on the fly between the original visuals and the new hotness.
Also cool is that I can mention my love of the Halo games without my A&R buddies giving me grief although they will probably find me here...
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Can't wait for this myself, loved the game even though I never got into Halo multiplayer.
Apparently there is plenty of awesomeness as you can switch on the fly between the original visuals and the new hotness.
Also cool is that I can mention my love of the Halo games without my A&R buddies giving me grief although they will probably find me here...
Halo, load of rubbish!
Actually, I quite liked the first Halo, after that it's not been too interesting for me, but I've great memories of the level where you roll out of a tunnel in the tank and emerge into a full-scale battle. Epic stuff, should have been more of that but I guess it wouldn't have been as effective if they'd had moments like that every level.
Pity it's going to be full price, I'd have been happy to pay maybe €20 for this, and switching between graphics sounds brilliant. My only worry would be that the better graphics might make things too detailed, Halo had brilliantly clean visuals, adding layers of extra texture might just make things look a bit muddled. The video looked great though so I'd say it's not a problem.0 -
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Something just seems wrong about a Halo remake. Some games I think deserve a remake or rerelease like Ocarina of Time, Chrono Trigger or Bionic Commando. Maybe I'm getting old but Halo doesn't feel like a classic game and doesn't feel old enough to me.
Switching between graphical modes on the fly is a bit worrying becuase it would seem to me that they will be keeping the same level of geometry of the old game and not redesigning the game from the ground up. Complete level redesign would really help this game because lets face it the original Halo had a lot of long boring corridors and then there was the later backtracking as well. There's a lot of room for improvement and I'd be disappointed if they didn't take that oppurtunity.
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Ah leave sparky alone. He's no Halo's version of Audrey II for crappy character design. I found him amusing, especially his humming, it was the only thing that made the library anyway bearable.
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NeoKubrick wrote: »There isn't. Halo: Combat Evolved's level design was based upon circular level design. As a result, there are very few long linear corridors in the game relative to the amount of circular. The only level of ten levels where long linear corridors dominated the game was The Library.
You just don't remember the game properly. The opening level on hte pillar of autumn consists of just a long series of copy and pasted corridors. The second half of the 3rd level that takes on the truth and reconciliation is a series of copy and pasted tight linear corridors. The snow level has some outdoor sections that are good but they are interconnected by linear corridor sections that are almost identical to each other and made up of a handful of copy and pasted sections. It's even got little helpful arrows on the ground to guide you through since otherwise you'd get lost because each section looks the same as the last. The swamp level with the reveal of the flood mostly consists of an underground section of small, tight, linear copy and pasted corridors. The library is a lesson in bad level design. And then you back track through most of these.
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I'm not saying anything about the quality of the game just saying that there's a lot of reused assets in the game and a lot of the game takes place in tight enclosed corridors all of which is a product of the game being rushed to meet the Xbox launch. It would be nice if the development team could fix these issues.
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There might have been some flanking oppurtunities when the corridors opened up but I'd expect that from any first person shooter, it's nothing special and still counts as linear for me. You can call them 'open circular' areas all you like it doesn't make them anything special. If a game was made up of a series of tight and enclosed 'open circular' areas like the ones I'm referring to I'd still call that game linear as well. It's the same set up Half-life or the first Call of Duty usually work by as do most FPS linear FPS games but most of them don't reuse the same box shaped assets over and over which is my main problem. These sections I'm referring to are still quite linear and enclosed and are made up of the same assets reused far too much throughout the levels and a remake would be a perfect oppurtunity to fix these sections that weren't as much fun as when the game opened up and get rid of the reuse of assets. I'm also not denying that the game works better in the more open areas so no need to bring them up.
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hooradiation wrote: »The attitude that people who like halo simply don't know any better is one that needs to die in a fire.
I wouldn't say that about someone who likes Halo, it's certainly not a bad game and sure peoples tastes differ. For me it's when the game gets praised for certain innovations or say that it was way above other FPS games at the time by people that obviously had no experience of FPS games outside of consoles at the time.
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hooradiation wrote: »It doesn't matter who did it first, it's the first title to do it well that matters.
There is a reason people whine at the halo series when they have issues with things like dual weapon limits and recharging health.
Yeah I know but as someone with an interest in the archiving of videogame history it annoys me the most when journalists make there statements.
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I enjoy playing Halo - I even went and splashed on the big "super duper comes with a McFarlane statue thingy" version of Reach when it launched
So I'm not trying to hate on it.
I am however baffled by this insistence that as a game, it was some how innovative and ground-breaking and all that other stuff. It wasn't. At all. There was nothing new in it, it was just shown to a new audience who had never seen or experienced anything like it before. That's commendable, but it's not really innovative. I don't dispute how ground breaking it might have been for XBox and consoles in general - it can be argued that Golden Eye on the N64 was probably the benchmark for a console FPS experience at the time and this surpassed it in many ways.
I guess it was very much a case of "right place at the right time" for Bungee and Halo. That and Microsoft's ability to throw so much money at the XBox when trying to break into the market that made it the success story it is. I don't doubt that the console market would be a very different place right now if not for MS buying Bungee and making Halo (a game which PC gamers at the time were already really hyped about and therefore they were able to buy a bigger potential customer and fan base) an XBox exclusive.
Over time, consoles have become for gaming platform of choice for all the right reasons to be fair. They're considerably cheaper for the consumer, you don't have the "arms race" you did with PC gaming or the compatibility issues and they're somewhat easier to develop for because of all that. I acknowledge that Halo played a big part in that. Why? Because FPS gaming is a hell of a lot of fun and is a very compulsive experience for anyone who is new to gaming. You're seeing the game through your characters eyes and you're immediately becoming that character in a way that's probably more engaging than a 3rd person game. So all this was an exceptional and somewhat innovative *BUSINESS* decision for the gaming industry to run with but again, to say that Halo was an innovative *game* is, in my opinion, incorrect. It did little to advance the art of creating computer games except to bring it to a much wider audience who didn't really have anything comparable to it at the time.
I respect that, I admire that and I enjoy a lot of what's followed from that and as a Halo 3 special edition XBox 360 owner, it would be massively hypocritical of me to say otherwise
I initially bought my 360 because of GTA IV and didn't have the money for an Elite at the time, but didn't want a bland white one like everyone else, so got this instead0 -
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I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree. Halo was possibly the first seriously competitive multiplayer FPS a lot of "new" gamers would have played - people who'd never played a competitive team or FFA based FPS because they didn't have a device to play it on. This was a new market - properly competitive multi-player FPS on a console. There was very little to really compare it to so by definition, they were unaware of the wider market that PC players had been enjoying for years. The PlayStation was the first big console for "grown ups" where as prior to that, they were considered kids toys. MS saw that market emerging and being totally owned by Sony and made it work for them and buying Bungie and releasing Halo played a big part in that. So people became Halo fans and that's cool, I have no problem with that. They really enjoyed the experience of the first, so naturally they bought the sequel and the third and ODST and Reach (maybe even Wars - I did - now that was an innovation - an RTS that pretty much worked using a console controllerTerrorFirmer wrote: »In fairness that's a terrible comparison as it suggests that people who like Halo do so because they're unaware of the quality of a wider market. Which isn't really true at all. People like Halo because it's, to those that like it, an excellent game that gets so much right in its gameplay and core mechanics regardless of how inherently unoriginal it is. The gameplay it offers in MP is phenominal, in my own opinion, and I rank it up there with the likes of Unreal Tournament, Battlefield 42/2/Vietnam as an all time classic.). If you're a fan of a series, you're quite likely to buy it's sequel. I, for example, am a big fan of the Assassins Creed games and yes, I'm somewhat disappointed that they crank out another one every year, but you know what, I've enjoyed each and every one of them and I have noted that they make enough small changes in them to make me think "yea, this is a better and more enjoyable experience than the previous one." Should the next game not give me that same experience, then I will call it a day with these games.
And what is this new innovation it offers these players? I'm not suggesting that a game has to cater to every taste, but I can honestly think of nothing "new" that it offered to the world of gaming except that it was a proper competitive multiplayer experience on a console. That's not new though, that's just a new market. Again, I will state, I like Halo, I just don't know why people think it's one of the greatest games ever. You say that you rank it as one of the all time greats of multiplayer experiences and I won't try to take that away from you - it's your opinion and it's neither right nor wrong. Halo 3 for me was a game I played huge amounts of in multiplayer cause you could play system link and split screen and so my friends and I had regular 16 man LANs in a house over the course of a day. Great craic was had and it was considerably easier to organise because we didn't all have to have a PC.TerrorFirmer wrote: »Also, I've clocked up as many hours playing FPS games as any gamer, since the time of Wolf3d and Doom right through, so I don't accept your idea that it offers nothing new to such players. It does. If you don't like it, grand, there isn't a game in existance that caters to all tastes simultaneously.
As for the other thread, if you chose to be offended by my opinion, that's your responsibility - I can't be accountable or responsible for your emotions. My point was that I hate to see one of my favourite art forms turned into a crass, commercial, money generating and consumer exploiting machine. I would argue the same about "pop music" (and often do). You can't tell me that multi-million selling pop acts who are little more than dancers and lip-synchers have as much musical merit as a band that writes it's own music and plays all it's own instruments. The people who buy these pop acts don't care about music, they just want to hear what they like and not think about it. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but there are some of us who like to think about our artTerrorFirmer wrote: »But you seem to haved a major problem with games you don't like and subsequently belittling those that do. You were pretty offensive in your last rant on Black Ops, using pretty much the exact same argument albiet more aggressive of how it's only people who don't know any better that allegedly play it. It's getting tired, move on...you don't like the game, no problem, but it's rather irksome to suggest that one of the best selling xbox titles ever and the cornerstone of the LIVE service owes its allegence to people who 'don't know any better'. Similarly, you can't tell me that a "by the numbers" FPS based off a "formula" that has been proven to work with an earlier title or two, that's cranked out every year (yes, I know it's a 2 year life cycle because there are 2 studios involved) has the same artistic merit and value as something like STALKER which I believe was a genuine work of art in terms of the level of quality and depth in the game.
Finally, what new IP has come out this year really? It's been yet another year of sequels. Does no one else see why this is the case? It's too easy to play it safe. Where's the innovation? Where's the art? Where's the love? I lament that and I feel strongly enough about it to fight against that. I don't want to be treated like little more than a consumer, I am a gamer.0 -
I enjoy playing Halo - I even went and splashed on the big "super duper comes with a McFarlane statue thingy" version of Reach when it launched So I'm not trying to hate on it.
I am however baffled by this insistence that as a game, it was some how innovative and ground-breaking and all that other stuff. It wasn't. At all. There was nothing new in it, it was just shown to a new audience who had never seen or experienced anything like it before. That's commendable, but it's not really innovative. I don't dispute how ground breaking it might have been for XBox and consoles in general - it can be argued that Golden Eye on the N64 was probably the benchmark for a console FPS experience at the time and this surpassed it in many ways.[/size]
I agree, it wasn't revolutionary, but it was very well polished, and thats what made it such a success I think. It was clean and interesting and thats what gave it such a following. HL2 is kinda similar, very little of it was new, but production values were #1 and that worked. Still does, look at Portal/P2, they spent their time getting it right and the end result really is worth the wait. Meanwhile activision+treyarch churn out a new game every 6 months and ruin a franchise that was so high up there(4 ofc). Bungie appeared to rush Halo 2, and it shows, was shoite. 3 They did a better job of, nearly as good as 1, then they go back to churning out stuff for ODST/Reach and quality drops again(still ok though). I wish devs would be more like Relic(whoever it is) and take time getting it right(Bioshock). Unfortunately the retarded 12yo boys have, through their parents, the most spending power and thus ruin things for us with a little more taste, would be lovely if consoles had never progressed passed the N64....0 -
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I think it's fair to say Bullet and I share a lot of views but I honestly disagree with this:
I think these are 2 drastically different platforms and should be treated as 2 separate entities. Look at a company like Blizzard - their 3 main franchises are Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo and are PC only. They're not fussed about trying to be a part of the console market - but it's pretty clear why and how they can afford to.Games are now all built for console and ported to PC, it should really be the other way around.
Dice/EA are definitely tipping their hat more to the PC gamer for BF3 as they see there's a definite gap in the PC market for this level of team FPS game with dedicated server support for clans etc and an engine that has had to be hobbled to work on consoles (only 32 players and lower gfx settings), but EA is too big an organisation to not release this on the consoles.
This "split" in the type of game on each platform is sort of happening, but with the cost involved with producing a game, it's hard to justify not releasing it for any significant section of market and therefore if you want commercial success (i.e. to make a profit) then you need to sell as many as possible
All that said, get proper integrated mouse and keyboard support on a console and it's really hard to see why you'd even bother with PC gaming anymore Whatever about being able to span across 3 or 6 screens and have 10000fps with 64bit textures and whatever else, the interface is the biggest barrier imo. 0 -
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It's a strawman argument. It's not linear, it's now 'circular level design' because every other shooter that is linear is just a walk down a long corridor and no flanking oppurtunities. Anyway my point was that there were lots of places that Halo could be improved because of poor level design but it seems I'm wrong and it's the perfect game.
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TerrorFirmer wrote: »Actually, it's not. I wish it were. Best Halo map ever.
Well its like a crazy big super version of the level, they shoulda left it alone, just update the textures. Without a doubt the best map ever.0 -
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