Is this too much fruit?

frankjunior

Hi all,
Just came across this site - looks the biz!
I was just wondering could people advise if this is too much fruit
- medium banana
-kiwi
-mandarin orange
- 1 inch slice of pineapple
-plum
-peach
- 7 or 8 strawberries
I was having it for breakie but think I am getting bit bloated from it and am a bit limited in breakfast options due to gluten intolerance.
Also would anyone know is this a lot of calories to take in at breakfast?

If it helps I am male, 29, reasonably fit, average weight (bout 12.6 to 12.8 stone )

Thanks

Adelie

frankjunior wrote: »

Hi all,
Just came across this site - looks the biz!
I was just wondering could people advise if this is too much fruit
- medium banana
-kiwi
-mandarin orange
- 1 inch slice of pineapple
-plum
-peach
- 7 or 8 strawberries
I was having it for breakie but think I am getting bit bloated from it and am a bit limited in breakfast options due to gluten intolerance.
Also would anyone know is this a lot of calories to take in at breakfast?

If it helps I am male, 29, reasonably fit, average weight (bout 12.6 to 12.8 stone )

Thanks

I don't know about calories but it seems like way too much sugar and not much else. I'd try to get in more protein. How about eggs? You could still keep one or two pieces of fruit. You could also consider yoghurt or gluten free oats.

Sea Horses

I would spread the fruit out over the day and you will be grand but it seems a lot for one go and I woud be having to snack very quickly after breakfast. Try the old reliable porridge with some of the fruit.

legendary.xix

Is there such a thing as too much fruit? I know everything has to be eaten in moderation but I'd have seen most fruit as healthy.

Ice.

legendary.xix wrote: »

Is there such a thing as too much fruit? I know everything has to be eaten in moderation but I'd have seen most fruit as healthy.

You have to be carefull here as most people in this forum seem to be carb phobic. They follow Mark "Supplement" Sisson who says that if you consume more than 150g of carbs a day you risk insidious obesity.

Frogdog

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OP, fruit is quite high in sugar, in comparison to vegetables. It's all carbohydrates.

Try get some protein and fat in there, that way you're covering the macronutrients. Eggs tick those two boxes. Boiled, scrambled, poached, omelettes etc. Even some full fat natural Greek yoghurt and take out some of the fruit.

Ice.

Frogdog wrote: »

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OP, fruit is quite high in sugar, in comparison to vegetables. It's all carbohydrates.

Try get some protein and fat in there, that way you're covering the macronutrients. Eggs tick those two boxes. Boiled, scrambled, poached, omelettes etc. Even some full fat natural Greek yoghurt and take out some of the fruit.

^

There is a big difference between natural sugars in fruit and refined sugars in processed food. To say otherwise is misleading. Also all natural foods contain carbs, fats and proteins in varying ratios.

Frogdog

Ice. wrote: »

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There is a big difference between natural sugars in fruit and refined sugars in processed food. To say otherwise is misleading. Also all natural foods contain carbs, fats and proteins in varying ratios.

^

I agree with you.

I shouldn't have said that "it's all carbs", however carbs are the dominant macronutrient in the fruits he listed, by a good bit, so I didn't want to complicate things.

I never mentioned anything about the difference in sugars, processed food etc. So I didn't say anything misleading in that regard.

Ice.

Frogdog wrote: »

I shouldn't have said that "it's all carbs", however carbs are the dominant macronutrient in the fruits he listed, by a good bit

Ok, but whats wrong with that?

Frogdog wrote: »

I never mentioned anything about the difference in sugars, processed food etc. So I didn't say anything misleading in that regard.

It's the impression I get. I see it a lot here. Carbs, whether processed or natural get lumped in together and likewise sugars, whether natural or refined, get lumped in together. But posters go out of their way to distinguish between good fats and bad fats. It's a bit one sided for my liking.

The High King

Thanks OP. Even though you eat too much fruit, you have inspired me enough to start eating healthy again. Beginning tomorrow. Yes. Tomorrow. I will start eating healthy again.

frankjunior

Frogdog wrote: »

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OP, fruit is quite high in sugar, in comparison to vegetables. It's all carbohydrates.

Try get some protein and fat in there, that way you're covering the macronutrients. Eggs tick those two boxes. Boiled, scrambled, poached, omelettes etc. Even some full fat natural Greek yoghurt and take out some of the fruit.

Thanks guys for all the help really appreciate it.

Frogdog is it the fruit that is all carbohydrates? I am never sure what are good carbs; or indeed what "wholefoods" are

So general feedback seems to be that maybe I am taking in too much fruit sugar and should replace some of the fruit with eggs?
Am I correct in thinking that without any veg I am getting more than the 5 a day from just fruit?

Thanks again for all the help and sorry if the questions are basic, finding it hard to get my head around all this

legendary.xix

Ice. wrote: »

You have to be carefull here as most people in this forum seem to be carb phobic. They follow Mark "Supplement" Sisson who says that if you consume more than 150g of carbs a day you risk insidious obesity.

I stick with apples and bananas anyways!

Bottle_of_Smoke

I'd say keep the strawberries, kiwi and mandarin and replace the rest with something proteinish. you could even make a fruit smoothie with some protein powder added.

gavtron

Ice. wrote: »

You have to be carefull here as most people in this forum seem to be carb phobic. They follow Mark "Supplement" Sisson who says that if you consume more than 150g of carbs a day you risk insidious obesity.

easy on the hyperbole...it's not 'most' and he doesn't say 'insidious obesity'

Frogdog

Ice. wrote: »

Ok, but whats wrong with that?

Nothing too bad, however I'm all into an "everything in moderation" kind of diet, trying to balance out the macros some bit etc. Nothing scientific behind it really. So that tends to be the kind of advice/opinions I give out here.

Now you could come back to me and tell me there's tribes/people that have nearly 100% fat/protein (Inuit & Maasai) or 100% carb (some Japanese hill-tribe) diets, but I have my reservations as to whether the OP belongs to any of those groups.

Ice.

gavtron wrote: »

he doesn't say 'insidious obesity'

Here is Mark Sisson's primal diet graph...

Technically he says "insidious weight gain" but on the corresponding bottom axis he refers to "obesity & illness".



BTW...Primal Blueprint is a nice bit of marketing. Just what is the difference between primal and paleo anyway? I guess it depends on who you buy your protein powders, creatine, b group vitamins, antioxidants, etc from..

Frogdog

frankjunior wrote: »

Thanks guys for all the help really appreciate it.

Frogdog is it the fruit that is all carbohydrates? I am never sure what are good carbs; or indeed what "wholefoods" are

So general feedback seems to be that maybe I am taking in too much fruit sugar and should replace some of the fruit with eggs?
Am I correct in thinking that without any veg I am getting more than the 5 a day from just fruit?

Thanks again for all the help and sorry if the questions are basic, finding it hard to get my head around all this

Hi OP,

Yes, fruit is predominantly made up of carbohydrate. As has been discussed above, there are some levels of the other two macronutrients, protein and fat, in them, but generally in miniscule amounts.

Yes, the general feedback would be to reduce the fruit intake and replace it with eggs of some sort (boiled, poached, scrambled, omelette) so that you're getting a better balance to your breakfast.

"Good" carbs are generally those that release energy in a steady release over a prolonged period of time. Scientifically, they are called complex carbs. Examples would be sweet potato, oats (porridge), brown rice, wholegrain versions of other foods etc. "Bad carbs" release energy quickly. They produce an insulin spike in your body - they give you a short burst of energy followed by a slump which can make you feel drowsy and hungry soon after. Examples are bread, white pasta, sweets, chocolate, cakes, biscuits etc.

Yes, you're definitely getting more than your 5 a day from fruit.

Frogdog

Ice. wrote: »

BTW...Primal Blueprint is a nice bit of marketing. Just what is the difference between primal and paleo anyway? I guess it depends on who you buy your protein powders, creatine, b group vitamins, antioxidants, etc from..

Hi Ice,

I'm not too sure, so don't take this as gospel, but I believe the difference is that one includes dairy and the other does not. Someone who actually follows these ways of eating might be better placed to tell you.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Frogdog wrote: »

Hi Ice,

I'm not too sure, so don't take this as gospel, but I believe the difference is that one includes dairy and the other does not. Someone who actually follows these ways of eating might be better placed to tell you.

Depending on wether dairy agreed with you or not,

I'd distinguish them as Paleo being a more of just a diet ,and Primal more of a lifestyle, a collection of diet, exercise, using all natural products on the body, etc.

Ice.

Frogdog wrote: »

I'm not too sure, so don't take this as gospel, but I believe the difference is that one includes dairy and the other does not.

Why is dairy permitted on one diet but not the other?

Horgan wrote: »

I'd distinguish them as Paleo being a more of just a diet ,and Primal more of a lifestyle, a collection of diet, exercise, using all natural products on the body, etc.

Besides being low on the carbs, you wouldn't want to break too much of a sweat on the Primal Diet™ as according to Mark Sisson you risk "Chronic Cardio". The type of exercise he recommends is short bursts of activity. That should be a warning right there where you only have enough energy to do things for a short amount of time. And as for natural products.... How natural are refined products like protein powders and pills etc?

gavtron

Ice. wrote: »

Here is Mark Sisson's primal diet graph...

Technically he says "insidious weight gain" but on the corresponding bottom axis he refers to "obesity & illness".

BTW...Primal Blueprint is a nice bit of marketing. Just what is the difference between primal and paleo anyway? I guess it depends on who you buy your protein powders, creatine, b group vitamins, antioxidants, etc from..

That's fair enough I suppose...i'll stand corrected.

Ice. wrote: »

Why is dairy permitted on one diet but not the other?


Besides being low on the carbs, you wouldn't want to break too much of a sweat on the Primal Diet™ as according to Mark Sisson you risk "Chronic Cardio". The type of exercise he recommends is short bursts of activity. That should be a warning right there where you only have enough energy to do things for a short amount of time. And as for natural products.... How natural are refined products like protein powders and pills etc?

Well dairy isn't allowed in Paleo diet as it causes inflammation or something, it's only recommended in raw forms in the primal blueprint, it's a bit more lax than 100% Paleo.

Mark also recommends long slow 'cardio' also, like hiking and walking. He does indeed recommend short bursts, sprinting etc. it has been shown (see Tabata) that short bursts can increase your cardio capacity also. It's not that you'll only have that much energy, it's more that you don't need to train for hours on end to be in great shape.

Anyway we're way off topic, there's a couple of Mark bashing threads around here too if you wanted to have a read of them as well.

frankjunior

Frogdog wrote: »

Hi OP,

Yes, fruit is predominantly made up of carbohydrate. As has been discussed above, there are some levels of the other two macronutrients, protein and fat, in them, but generally in miniscule amounts.

Yes, the general feedback would be to reduce the fruit intake and replace it with eggs of some sort (boiled, poached, scrambled, omelette) so that you're getting a better balance to your breakfast.

"Good" carbs are generally those that release energy in a steady release over a prolonged period of time. Scientifically, they are called complex carbs. Examples would be sweet potato, oats (porridge), brown rice, wholegrain versions of other foods etc. "Bad carbs" release energy quickly. They produce an insulin spike in your body - they give you a short burst of energy followed by a slump which can make you feel drowsy and hungry soon after. Examples are bread, white pasta, sweets, chocolate, cakes, biscuits etc.

Yes, you're definitely getting more than your 5 a day from fruit.

Thanks again for that, will alter a bit. The plan is to switch between fruit and eggs and fruit and porridge. Even though not sure if the gluten free porridge has the same value.

metamorphosis

Lets the paleo and primal posts stay in threads for them and lets keep this one for the OP who started it.

Elohim

Hey OP, I have:
2 boiled eggs,
porridge with blueberries and flax meal (I think),
an orange,
coffee.

Obviously you could mix and match the fruit to whatever ya like.
I think this pretty much covers all the bases and does me for several hours, have been eating it for months too.