Orwell/IRC/Lucan/Tiernans/UCD League - 10mile TT Batterstown

tawfeeredux

When I saw this on the calendar, I assumed it was straight out the Trim Road & back, i.e. largely flat, but someone was telling me last week that it goes left & up part of the Mullagh circuit. Can anyone confirm? Can't find a thread for last year's edition (there's one for a Boards TT, but that stayed on the Trim road).

Lumen

Thread from last year (cringe).

It was not up and down, went left through Culmullin. Speeds are roughly the same as a flat 40km TT.

Diarmuid

I wouldn't be my favourite TT circuit. The roads are really dead on the last 5k

lalorm

I heard that it starts where the race finishes in Batterstown, heads out the usual route like it did the other week and then the finish is at the Garage after the Mullagh. So ups and downs.

Chips Lovell

Yes, its part of the Mullagh circuit. Finish is near the Hatchett Bar.

tawfeeredux

Lumen wrote: »

Thread from last year (cringe).

It was not up and down, went left through Culmullin. Speeds are roughly the same as a flat 40km TT.

Cheers Aeroman!

I did that route as part of a doomed solo break a few weeks ago in the club league - was still missing a speed sensor at the time, so don't know what sort of speed i was doing.

DirkVoodoo

tawfeeredux wrote: »

Cheers Aeroman!

I did that route as part of a doomed solo break a few weeks ago in the club league - was still missing a speed sensor at the time, so don't know what sort of speed i was doing.

Can we get a word count on how many times you use "solo" and "breakaway" in your posts? I reckon they are beaten only by "the" and "and"

Thankfully I don't think they apply in a thread about TTs!

Lumen

The only part of the circuit that really bothers me is the left hand bend at Curraghtown (according to Google map). I don't know that it's easy to marshall it safely, and pelting round in the wet requires a lot of road.

AstraMonti

Can someone please post a map for the newbies?

Lumen

oflahero

el tonto wrote: »

Yes, its part of the Mullagh circuit. Finish is near the Hatchett Bar.

So you get to bury yourself by the Hatchett.

...

Hmm, needs work.

joker77

Would many people be on TT / Tri bikes for this?

Beasty

joker77 wrote: »

Would many people be on TT / Tri bikes for this?

If you've got one, use it.

If not, and you've got clip-on aerobars, use them

If not, use the drops

If you have a disc wheel, or deep section rims, use them

If not, use your normal wheels

If you have an aero helmet, use it

If not, use a normal one

If you have a skinsuit - use it

If not, I believe exposed skin is more aero than lycra;)

You will probably fine a cross section of pretty much all the above on parade*



* with the possible exception of naked bodies

Lusk Doyle

Marshalls at the turn around point beware - some riders get so far into the "zone" that they dont hear the shouted instructions to "go all the around the roundabout back the way you came" and continue outbound and then sit up, look confused, and head back the right way muttering! At least in the swords TT they do!

Beasty

They don't have this problem in this league - it's left turns all the way, which comes naturally to road racers

In fact, I suspect the real issue will be stopping the TT specialists from going all the way around the roundabout where you caused all the problems last time Lusk Doyle ...

Lusk Doyle

Beasty wrote: »

They don't have this problem in this league - it's left turns all the way, which comes naturally to road racers

In fact, I suspect the real issue will be stopping the TT specialists from going all the way around the roundabout where you caused all the problems last time Lusk Doyle ...

If I go down I'm taking ryaner with me. He was there too "helping".....

fat bloke

Ah sh1te, is that this week? What's the deal? After cycling out do you have to stand around for an age waiting for your turn?

Beasty

fat bloke wrote: »

Ah sh1te, is that this week? What's the deal? After cycling out do you have to stand around for an age waiting for your turn?

Not if you get an early slot;)

Most will spend their time warming-up, which is quite important, particularly when it's "only" 10 miles

lalorm

What will be a reasonably good time to complete this in?
What was the winning time last year?

Lumen

lalorm wrote: »

What will be a reasonably good time to complete this in? What was the winning time last year?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=65427131&postcount=73

kenmc

Do we still sign on in the usual spot? Or how does it work?

Diarmuid

kenmc wrote: »

Do we still sign on in the usual spot? Or how does it work?

Sign on is at the church in Batterstown

lalorm

This may seem like a stupid question, but what are the rules regarding drafting for the TT? I know it's not allowed, but what distance should be left between riders. Also if someone overtakes but then can't accelerate to get away what's the proper etiquette?

Lumen

lalorm wrote: »

This may seem like a stupid question, but what are the rules regarding drafting for the TT? I know it's not allowed, but what distance should be left between riders. Also if someone overtakes but then can't accelerate to get away what's the proper etiquette?

Ask MAWS. :pac:

Seriously: not sure whether there's a set distance, you just have to have no advantage from a draft. It's different from tri in that riders start separated by 60 seconds, so if two riders come together the one behind is clearly significantly faster. If you're overtaken it's polite to ease off a fraction to let the faster rider get a gap, and if you're overtaking it's polite to go a fraction harder to get a gap

Beasty

Lumen wrote: »

Ask MAWS. :pac:
Seriously: not sure whether there's a set distance, you just have to have no advantage from a draft. It's different from tri in that riders start separated by 60 seconds, so if two riders come together the one behind is clearly significantly faster. If you're overtaken it's polite to ease off a fraction to let the faster rider get a gap, and if you're overtaking it's polite to go a fraction harder to get a gap

The IVCA rules are as follows:

Competitors shall ride entirely alone and unassisted and not ride in the company of, or take shelter from, any other rider or vehicle.

When overtaking another rider, a competitor must pass without taking or giving shelter.

The onus of avoiding company riding or taking pace is the responsibility of the overtaken rider who should allow a gap to open immediately to a distance of a minimum of 25 metres.

No competitor shall be preceded, accompanied or followed by, or in any way receive assistance from, any person in/on a motor vehicle.

For some reason the Swords rules stipulate 7m rather than 25m

I've also read somewhere that once in the "25m zone" you have a set time to get past (15s I think), otherwise you have to drop back again before another "attempt"

mloc123

7m was the old tri rule... possibly why swords use 7m?

Chips Lovell

In practice, as Lumen said, if you've caught your minute man, you're going significantly faster and you will get a gap straight away unless the overtaken rider tries to speed up.

My first TT ever was the 25 miler in this league a few years ago. At one point I was overtaken by a guy on a full TT rig drafting a car.

Caroline_ie

Not looking forward to it.
I hope the weather will be ok and a nice tail wind on the mullagh

Diarmuid

el tonto wrote: »

My first TT ever was the 25 miler in this league a few years ago. At one point I was overtaken by a guy on a full TT rig drafting a car.

Sounds like he was motoring!

dave.obrien

The start line is the GAA club again, is that right?

niceonetom

dave.obrien wrote: »

The start line is the GAA club again, is that right?

It's about here, just after the turn.

joker77

Dreading this as well, hardly any sleep the last couple of nights, really running on empty at the moment.

Have just stocked up on a load of pasta though, hopefully that might see me to the finish line in a semi-respectable time for a first time effort

oflahero

joker77 wrote: »

Dreading this as well, hardly any sleep the last couple of nights, really running on empty at the moment.

Have just stocked up on a load of pasta though, hopefully that might see me to the finish line in a semi-respectable time for a first time effort

That you're allowed out at all is a miracle in itself.

joker77

oflahero wrote: »

That you're allowed out at all is a miracle in itself.

Yea... believe me a lot of work has been done to get the pass...

DirkVoodoo

joker77 wrote: »

Dreading this as well, hardly any sleep the last couple of nights, really running on empty at the moment.

Have just stocked up on a load of pasta though, hopefully that might see me to the finish line in a semi-respectable time for a first time effort

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-e5y-3dyUs

doozerie

joker77 wrote:

Dreading this as well, hardly any sleep the last couple of nights, really running on empty at the moment.

Have just stocked up on a load of pasta though, hopefully that might see me to the finish line in a semi-respectable time for a first time effort

I recommend a bottle of breast milk. Certainly kept my daughter going strong day and night for months and months. Seems like you need no sleep at all when on a diet of it so it must be mighty stuff, certainly better than pasta.

DirkVoodoo

doozerie wrote: »

I recommend a bottle of breast milk.

For the baby and not as a source of pre-race nutrients, right?

doozerie

DirkVoodoo wrote:

For the baby and not as a source of pre-race nutrients, right?

No, definitely for the adult. It's a secret super-fuel that babies have been selfishly keeping to themselves forever. The only downside is that joker77 might have to get someone to burp him before the TT. And possibly during it too.

fat bloke

doozerie wrote: »

... a bottle of breast milk.

????


Epic fail.

99% of its attraction/efficacy/deliciousness is in how it's administered

Like say... Swiss chocolate suppositories.

buffalo

Balls. In late from work, not going to make it to this. Good luck to the rest o' ye!

Beasty

Let the suffering commence .....:D

(and when you've done it, just remember there's 2 and a half times as much suffering in the 25m;))

Good luck to you all

AstraMonti

I am so f****** disappointed... I was there early to warm up, set up the bike went 1km feeling great and the legs light but returned to the car to adjust the saddle a bit up. But the #$%$%# seatpost clamp had a different opinion. Tried to loosen it and thread of the screw were fast gone! Run all over the place asking if anyone has a second clamp but no luck. The guys from the ambulance at the end help me remove the screw, but the thread inside the clamp was gone too so the spare screw that Dirk had gave me didn't work. I just packed the bike and off I came back home.. FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well, sh!t happens I guess.. Big thanks to everyone that tried to help and good luck too

Still can't believe I didn't race for a freaking clamp...

kenmc

bad luck astra, bummer when crap breaks on ya.
29m00s for me according to the timekeeper at the end. didn't know it was possible to have a headwind on 3 sides of a circuit. see what diarmuid meant by "dead roads" on the last five km

lalorm

That was hard going with the wind. Hard to get any speed at all with the head wind on the way out and then also up the Mullagh! Got passed by a guy in full tri gear at the start of the climb. I was going hard and he passed me like he was out for a sunday spin! Fighting the onset of stitches for most of the way around from the roundabout but happy enough with my time. I couldn't have gone any harder or the stitches would have stopped me. 28:08

JacksonHeightsOwn

Any info on who got placings?

pprendeville

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Marshalls at the turn around point beware - some riders get so far into the "zone" that they dont hear the shouted instructions to "go all the around the roundabout back the way you came" and continue outbound and then sit up, look confused, and head back the right way muttering! At least in the swords TT they do!

If the marshalls shouted louder/stood where you'd expect them to stand then this might not happen.:D

Diarmuid

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Any info on who got placings?

These are the Orwell results

Got 24:40 myself, a bit better than last year

joker77

28:16 for me, definitely room for improvement.

The lack of sleep caught up with me, and a stitch in my back at the end of the second section didn't help, but overall happy to be able to get out of the house - hadn't left it in the previous 2 days!

oflahero

26:57, reasonably satisfied given it was just the standard steel bike, no aerobars or disk wheels, and I was in my normal gear, not dressed up like something you'd find Sigourney Weaver laying into with a flamethrower.

Chips Lovell

The placings went to:

1, Stephen McNally (Orwell) 23:18;
2, Tom Blennerhassett (Orwell) 23:42;
3, John Caffrey (LCRC) 23:48.

Semi-Scratch:
1, Lloyd Berry (Orwell) 24:04;
2, Aidan Yates (IRC) 24:39;
3, Brian Quirke (IRC) 24:43.

Semi-Limit:
1, Ed O'Mahoney (Orwell) 25:45;
2, Craig Arrigan (Orwell) 25:48;
3, Liam Rowsome (Orwell) 25:55.

Limit:
1, Stephen Hayden (Orwell) 27:30;
2, Niall O'Sullivan (Orwell) 28:40;
3, Fiachra Ó Mathúna (Orwell) 29:00.

Ladies:
1, Ann Dalton (Orwell) 27:08;
2, Rachel Glendon (Orwell) 27:31;
3, Róisín Kennedy (LCRC) 28:22

Chips Lovell

Updated League Table and all times are here.