ah now, how many more letters are they gonna add to this acronym?

Asry

This is a bit of a hobbyhorse that I woke up with in my head this morning (read: 2pm). Suit yourselves up for some ranting, pussycats.

I mean really. So it's LGBTQ now? I mean, b**** please? I was going to list examples of what we could include but maaannnn I'd probably end up offending those lily-livered pansies who lurk around waiting to see something they can soapbox about and jump on it....so I won't.
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

Sorry I'm kind of hyper.

But like. My point stands. It's going to end up like LGBTQBTRSA. Or something.

Also, if we're stuck in a world with many letters, is the title of this forum going to be updated soon?

Actually! And while we're on it, who got to decide that the lesbians and gays got to have their letters first? Who put the trans people at the end? Although as a woman it is fairly cool that the lesbians got in first. So that's pretty good for them like.

That being said, if we're to follow this on to the end, does that mean we'd be eliminating letters? If so, which one(s) would be chopped out first?

I decided to use that green pointing arrow icon thing because so help me baby Jesus I can't figure out what it's for.

Links234

http://yada.wikia.com/wiki/QUILTBAGPIPE

PJelly

I know right!
The Q is completely unnecessary. Are there really people out there who identify with the Q but no other part?
First time my mother heard it she wanted to know what every letter stood for, and was a bit shocked that we would include the Q, she sees it as a derogatory term.
I believe our true goal is to take over the alphabet.

PJelly

Links234 wrote: »

http://yada.wikia.com/wiki/QUILTBAGPIPE

Brilliant

Asry

PJelly wrote: »

I believe our true goal is to take over the alphabet.

And then every language that utilises the Latin alphabet will be OURS!!!! Suck on THAT everyone else.

In that case, we need to target the Cyrillic one next.

PJelly

I was just thinking about what kind of people actually demanded that the Q be included.
They don't identify with the rest of it, So they're straight, and not trans...
Yet they're "Queer".
So, the Q is for straight non-trans queers?
Confused.com

Asry

Wikipedia says this:

The range of what "queer" includes varies. In addition to referring to LGBT-identifying people, it can also encompass: pansexual, pomosexual, intersexual, genderqueer, asexual and autosexual people, and even gender normative heterosexuals whose sexual orientations or activities place them outside the heterosexual-defined mainstream, e.g., BDSM practitioners, or polyamorous persons.
For some queer-identified people, part of the point of the term "queer" is that it simultaneously builds up and tears down boundaries of identity. For instance, among genderqueer people, who do not solidly identify with one particular gender, once solid gender roles have been torn down, it becomes difficult to situate sexual identity. For some people, the non-specificity of the term is liberating. Queerness becomes a way to simultaneously make a political move against heteronormativity while simultaneously refusing to engage in traditional essentialist identity politics.[7]

I don't want BDSM people included with people like me! That'd imply that people like me also have a fetish and that it doesn't affect their miserable little lives on a daily basis! And those polyamorous people. Frankly they scare me. And give people like me a bad name as well.

God damn you, letter Q!!!! /shakesfist

Killer_banana

PJelly wrote: »

I was just thinking about what kind of people actually demanded that the Q be included.
They don't identify with the rest of it, So they're straight, and not trans...
Yet they're "Queer".
So, the Q is for straight non-trans queers?
Confused.com

I've heard the term Queer used by people who are gay, people who are bi, people who are genderqueer and people who simply don't like using other labels. So I don't think there's a clear cut meaning for it.

Also I think the Q in LGBTQ is sometimes used as Questioning instead of Queer.

Personally I like QUILTBAGPIPE 'cause it's pronouncable and it includes everyone who wants to be. Also it's bit more interesting.

PJelly

Dear god.

AndrewJD

I'm about 10 times more likely to say 'gay community' in day to day usage than stray into LGBTxyz territory. Far easier to say, everyone knows what it means, and although it doesn't state it I feel it encompasses a lot of the LGBQ areas.

PJelly

AndrewJD wrote: »

I'm about 10 times more likely to say 'gay community' in day to day usage than stray into LGBTxyz territory. Far easier to say, everyone knows what it means, and although it doesn't state it I feel it encompasses a lot of the LGBQ areas.

I'd be more likely to say "The Gays" myself

Asry

PJelly wrote: »

I'd be more likely to say "The Gays" myself

I would generally refer to us as 'those homos' but oddly enough people generally think I'm a homophobe.

baby and crumble

When I was writing my asters thesis, I had to use LGBTQI. (The i is for intersex. Try that on for size, Sesame Street!)

Also, in the US it's mostly GLBTQ- lesbians come second. :mad:

Platinum2010

Hang on I'm confused maybe im just seriously hungover , but what does Q stand for?

apache

the umbrella term is getting a bit small for us all. we will need a big golf brolly.

hare05

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Hang on I'm confused maybe im just seriously hungover , but what does Q stand for?

Quarks. They're a polyamorous bunch who conglomerate in groups of 3, a man, a woman, and a genderqueer who identifies outside of all gender norms and their sexual acts emit a charge that creates matter.

They're the big bang, baby!

By the way, I can totally go with QUILTBAGPIPE. Seriously.

wonderfulname

I wonder how complex the "correct" terminology will get before everyone just gives up and calls people people?

Aishae

it has gotten a bit mad alright - but at least its inclusive i suppose!
there are just so many diiferent 'lables' people take, its hard to include them all. maybe we need a new word. not an acronym. a nice all rounder.
like 'nutbags' not hat we're all nutty but sure no lable seems to cover everyone's queer bits!

loving quiltbagpipe though, you cant go wrong with a bit of tartan

hare05

wonderfulname wrote: »

I wonder how complex the "correct" terminology will get before everyone just gives up and calls people people?

What, you wanna lump us in with the straights? Fat chance I'd associate myself with that crowd of weirdos.



Also +1 for Nutbags. It would be my dream to say that with a serious face in a formal setting.

xsiborg

zoegh wrote: »

When I was writing my asters thesis, I had to use LGBTQI. (The i is for intersex. Try that on for size, Sesame Street!)

Also, in the US it's mostly GLBTQ- lesbians come second. :mad:

all this talk of extra letters and you miss the M on Masters, lol, for shame zeogh, for shame...

Aishae

oh blimey, my brain is half asleep. thats some shoddy grammar and spelling up there *goes to play sims3 - fewer braincells required*

Annasopra

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Hang on I'm confused maybe im just seriously hungover , but what does Q stand for?

Queer

wonderfulname

Questioning

Aishae

OR! make acronyms within acronyms. the Q is quiltbagpipe - covers the lot

hare05

Why not use the term Fruitcake?

We can have a different subgroup in each layer of the cake, and just like a cake, no one layer is more important than the other. Top layer is highest but tasted last, bottom layer is tasted first but really serves as a foundation for the rest and that perfect jumble of sweetness in the middle just wouldn't be the same if it wasn't sandwiched between the base and the top layer.

wonderfulname

What kind of fruitcake do you be eating?!

Annasopra

Lovely Dyke wrote: »

the umbrella term is getting a bit small for us all. we will need a big golf brolly.

I've also seen the term Sex And Gender Diverse used -so how about we use SAGD? It covers everything - apart from pomosexuals

wonderfulname

Pomosexual -

used to describe a person who avoids sexual orientation labels

Hahaha, love it.

apache

Johnnymcg wrote: »

I've also seen the term Sex And Gender Diverse used -so how about we use SAGD? It covers everything - apart from pomosexuals

that would work but the pomosexuals would be annoyed.

back to the drawing board....

Platinum2010

If being Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation why do we have it as LGBT?

apache

Platinum2010 wrote: »

If being Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation why do we have it as LGBT?

who said it dosen't?

wonderfulname

Platinum2010 wrote: »

If being Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation why do we have it as LGBT?

Put the pin back in that grenade!

Similar struggles, similar public perceptions. We're looking for pretty much the same changes, and we have common understanding on a lot of stuff. It's also easier to force change when there's a mob looking for it, rather than a subgroup within the mob.

Platinum2010

People who have been interviewed after having reassignment surgery

Killer_banana

Platinum2010 wrote: »

If being Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation why do we have it as LGBT?

They face a lot of similar issues as those with the non hetero orientations and there's some crossover within the cultures.

Edit: Wonderfulname bet me to it and explained it better.

apache

Platinum2010 wrote: »

People who have been interviewed after having reassignment surgery

that dosen't make sense. i am sure they are all different. some prefer the same sex after surgery so they are essentially gay/lesbian. that is still sexual orientation.

Platinum2010

Lovely Dyke wrote: »

that dosen't make sense. i am sure they are all different. some prefer the same sex after surgery so they are essentially gay/lesbian. that is still sexual orientation.

after surgery if they like the same sex then they are GLB .
I know a guy however from the North who, much to my dismay, is the biggest homophobe ever , he has big issues with coming under the LGBT category .

I have no issues with it being the LGBT Category . I know they face the same sort of problems and things like that. I was just curious if some people see it as being nothing to do with sexuality then why It comes under the category ,and the lads already explained it

Annasopra

Platinum2010 wrote: »

If being Transgender has nothing to do with sexual orientation why do we have it as LGBT?

Gender identity and sexual orientation are indeed entirely separate BUT Trans people face a lot of similar life hurdles as LGB people - coming out, societal discrimination, legal issues and also share many social spaces

apache

Platinum2010 wrote: »

after surgery if they like the same sex then they are GLB .
I know a guy however from the North who, much to my dismay, is the biggest homophobe ever , he has big issues with coming under the LGBT category .

I have no issues with it being the LGBT Category . I know they face the same sort of problems and things like that. I was just curious if some people see it as being nothing to do with sexuality then why It comes under the category ,and the lads already explained it

ah cool

i suppose everybody is different. that could be a danger of lumping everyone under the big golf umbrella brolly

Platinum2010

I have nothing against Transgender people . I empathize with the struggles and pain they go through daily ; not being transgender I don't know first hand , but I can imagine it's not great to feel trapped in the wrong body .

I could explain my view in detail but I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to be discriminative or anything of that nature

stephen_n

zoegh wrote: »

When I was writing my asters thesis, I had to use LGBTQI. (The i is for intersex. Try that on for size, Sesame Street!)

Also, in the US it's mostly GLBTQ- lesbians come second. :mad:

But bi's are still in the middle lol

apache

Platinum2010 wrote: »

I have nothing against Transgender people . I empathize with the struggles and pain they go through daily ; not being transgender I don't know first hand , but I can imagine it's not great to feel trapped in the wrong body .

I could explain my view in detail but I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to be discriminative or anything of that nature

i don't think anyone thinks you have a problem with it hun.

Platinum2010

They may have a problem with the reason It confuses me

Chuchoter

The problem I have with queer being in it is that it is far too general. Like there are straight people calling themselves queer and it irritates the ****e out of me. Like a while back I was reading an article on a lesbian website no less about the tech girl off Criminal Minds and the goody-two-shoes doctor off House who replaced 13, and because these two people were mildly unusual female characters, all of a sudden they were being described as queer. I also don't like the way allies makes it into the acronym sometimes.

Platinum2010

Queer is a very derogatory label to put on someone IMO

wonderfulname

I like how general it is, if people were honest with themselves it would incorporate the majority of the population, then the need to differentiate would be gone, then I would be happy!

And why not have enablers allies in there? Its primarily a rights thing, why lobby a bill with the weight of those who will be benefited by it when you can lobby it with the far greater weight of those who agree with it?

PJelly

I'm still not sure why we have so many different labels..
Like how gay and lesbian tend to mean a homosexual man, and woman respectively.
A straight man and woman don't have two different labels. How did ours start?

wonderfulname

Platinum - its been 'reclaimed', you can use it if it covers you.

apache

crayolastereo wrote: »

The problem I have with queer being in it is that it is far too general. Like there are straight people calling themselves queer and it irritates the ****e out of me. Like a while back I was reading an article on a lesbian website no less about the tech girl off Criminal Minds and the goody-two-shoes doctor off House who replaced 13, and because these two people were mildly unusual female characters, all of a sudden they were being described as queer. I also don't like the way allies makes it into the acronym sometimes.

well i feel the same way as bi people calling themselves gay when it suits them!

the techy girl from criminal minds is a lesbian (cough sorry a gay woman) in real life. i'd say that is what that is about.

i don't watch house so dunno there.

Rev Hellfire

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Queer is a very derogatory label to put on someone IMO

Is it if claimed by individuals themselves ?

Platinum2010

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Is it if claimed by individuals themselves ?

To each their own if people want to call themselves queer let them , just don't call me queer

apache

Platinum2010 wrote: »

To each their own if people want to call themselves queer let them , just don't call me queer

you are so queer platinum

edit - and also a bit gay.