missing goats........

crackcrack30

Aertel.

See aertel news re missing wild goats in passage east,
1000e reward offered. I suppose it gives the deer a break for one night.....

ssl

From RTE website
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0617/goats.html

"Bodhrán makers suspected as goats go missing
Updated: 18:24, Friday, 17 June 2011

It is feared that a herd of wild goats - missing from Co Waterford - have been stolen and killed to make bodhráns


Goats - Herd has not been seen for a number of weeks
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The Great Escape
A reward of €1,000 has been offered for information on a herd of wild goats that has gone missing from Co Waterford.
Around 20 goats disappeared from hills around Passage East one night a few weeks ago - they have not been seen since.
Searches of the area, including some by the local search and rescue helicopter, have proved fruitless.
Gardaí are investigating, as is the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government. A wild goat herd has been on the hills above Passage for at least 200 years.
Gardaí are investigating reports that the goats were rounded up by sheepdogs and loaded onto a lorry. Those who took the goats left behind one puck and seven kids.
There are reports that they will be - or have already been - killed to make bodhráns.
A local resident has now put up a €500 reward for information leading to the finding of the goats, with the Passage East car ferry company matching that amount.
Anybody with information is asked to contact gardaí at Passage East."

bazza888

hearing a lot of storys of sheep and cow rustling lately!

Spunk84

a rescue helicopter
Gardaí are investigating
Department of the Environment
Heritage and Local Government
1000 euro reward

For 20 missing WILD goats:eek:

Seriously 20 "Wild" Goats? :mad::mad::mad:

Grizzly 45

Thought it was Greyhounds you use for bodrahns these days??:eek:
[Going by greyhound action network:rolleyes:]

rabbit assassin

I came across someone lampin in one of our fields there a few weeks ago, thought it was one of my friends so i drove up the road to meet him at the gate to see if he shot anything .. turned out to be a complete stranger with a large calibre centrefire rifle, I asked was he in the gunclub or what he was shooting, he was very reluctant to talk. So when I got more agitated and annoyed as he was trying to get away his accent came out "Only shooting the fox , the fox" It was obvious the chap wasnt Irish. I could tell something was up and at this point I heard some noise in the field. I grabbed a spotlamp from the jeep and had a look in the field... Saw 2 other lads and they had a sheep each and were dragging it up the hill towards us.... they werent my sheep but they had crossed my land in order to shoot them. of course I called the gards "oh yeah someone will be there in 5 minutes" so I blocked them from gettin away by parkin my jeep infront of their car and called the man who's sheep they had just shot. he was there in a matter of minutes, to cut a long story short there had been a number of sheep and lambs going missing over the past few months but i hadnt been aware of this. Im not blaming it all on foreigners but apparently its happening to alot of farmers. the gards never showed up so all we could do is scare the **** out of the lads ourselves (not the lawful thing to do ) but there was no sign of gards.. so the next mornin at 6am i awake to a terrible rap at the front door , yep it was a gard... i opened the door and laughed in his face and closed it again and went back to bed.

sorry to say it but chances are those goats suffered the same fate as the sheep.. we also had wild goats on our hills (not many maybe 30 spread over 3 or 4 mile) and we reckon they were shot too because theres not even a dozen left

endasmail

rabbit assassin wrote: »

I came across someone lampin in one of our fields there a few weeks ago, thought it was one of my friends so i drove up the road to meet him at the gate to see if he shot anything .. turned out to be a complete stranger with a large calibre centrefire rifle, I asked was he in the gunclub or what he was shooting, he was very reluctant to talk. So when I got more agitated and annoyed as he was trying to get away his accent came out "Only shooting the fox , the fox" It was obvious the chap wasnt Irish. I could tell something was up and at this point I heard some noise in the field. I grabbed a spotlamp from the jeep and had a look in the field... Saw 2 other lads and they had a sheep each and were dragging it up the hill towards us.... they werent my sheep but they had crossed my land in order to shoot them. of course I called the gards "oh yeah someone will be there in 5 minutes" so I blocked them from gettin away by parkin my jeep infront of their car and called the man who's sheep they had just shot. he was there in a matter of minutes, to cut a long story short there had been a number of sheep and lambs going missing over the past few months but i hadnt been aware of this. Im not blaming it all on foreigners but apparently its happening to alot of farmers. the gards never showed up so all we could do is scare the **** out of the lads ourselves (not the lawful thing to do ) but there was no sign of gards.. so the next mornin at 6am i awake to a terrible rap at the front door , yep it was a gard... i opened the door and laughed in his face and closed it again and went back to bed.

sorry to say it but chances are those goats suffered the same fate as the sheep.. we also had wild goats on our hills (not many maybe 30 spread over 3 or 4 mile) and we reckon they were shot too because theres not even a dozen left

foreigners out shooting sheep with large calibre rifles??????
ya must be messin:eek:

Chiparus

These goats are "wild" in the sense no one owned them, they had no fear of humans and lived within 20 m of the village, They were a bit of a tourist attraction.

That said, some one must have been controlling the population previously.

Glensman

This same thing happened about 6 years ago in Co. Roscommon.
Group showed up with a Lorry quads and sheep dogs and herded All the goats up and left...

Its a real shame because I have permission on the land and it would have made some nice sustainable hunting...

Spunk84

rabbit assassin wrote: »

I came across someone lampin in one of our fields there a few weeks ago, thought it was one of my friends so i drove up the road to meet him at the gate to see if he shot anything .. turned out to be a complete stranger with a large calibre centrefire rifle, I asked was he in the gunclub or what he was shooting, he was very reluctant to talk. So when I got more agitated and annoyed as he was trying to get away his accent came out "Only shooting the fox , the fox" It was obvious the chap wasnt Irish. I could tell something was up and at this point I heard some noise in the field. I grabbed a spotlamp from the jeep and had a look in the field... Saw 2 other lads and they had a sheep each and were dragging it up the hill towards us.... they werent my sheep but they had crossed my land in order to shoot them. of course I called the gards "oh yeah someone will be there in 5 minutes" so I blocked them from gettin away by parkin my jeep infront of their car and called the man who's sheep they had just shot. he was there in a matter of minutes, to cut a long story short there had been a number of sheep and lambs going missing over the past few months but i hadnt been aware of this. Im not blaming it all on foreigners but apparently its happening to alot of farmers. the gards never showed up so all we could do is scare the **** out of the lads ourselves (not the lawful thing to do ) but there was no sign of gards.. so the next mornin at 6am i awake to a terrible rap at the front door , yep it was a gard... i opened the door and laughed in his face and closed it again and went back to bed.

sorry to say it but chances are those goats suffered the same fate as the sheep.. we also had wild goats on our hills (not many maybe 30 spread over 3 or 4 mile) and we reckon they were shot too because theres not even a dozen left

It's not just goats, a foreign lad was caught awhile ago on the canal down here with 2 swans and aload of ducks in his van:( he said they where dead and he was going to bury them the asshole was using hook with bread and catching like that!!!!!!! People like that should be horse whipped same as the fish population. There was more fishing 10 years ago than there is now because most Irish people don't like eating roach and carp :rolleyes: than some of our other guests:mad:- one instance the sister was walking the dog along the Same canal and found aload of dead lines going across the river with fish on it

landkeeper

how the f does a non national get a large calibre rifle anyway :eek:

Grizzly 45

Having a "non national " parent who has held liscenses here for over 25 years...By the same way any of us nationals do.Go away and apply for one!:)Absolutly nothing in Irish law that prevents you from doing so,so long as you have been resident here for over six months.

It seems that there is a big busisness in cattle rustling and nicking farm machinery again.Quads especially.

Spunk84

landkeeper wrote: »

how the f does a non national get a large calibre rifle anyway :eek:

I think the EU has something to do with it

rabbit assassin

landkeeper wrote: »

how the f does a non national get a large calibre rifle anyway :eek:

Its actually pretty easy as far as i know , I know 3 lads from austria that shoot clays here . they brought their own guns from austria because they now live and work here in ireland .

rabbit assassin

endasmail wrote: »

foreigners out shooting sheep with large calibre rifles??????
ya must be messin:eek:

afraid not its been going on all over the country from what i hear

garv123

rabbit assassin wrote: »

afraid not its been going on all over the country from what i hear

you should of rang the guards and told them there was a shooting and the suspects are armed. no other details. wonder how long it would have taken
them to arrive then. SWAT and all. your not lying to them

Traumadoc

I find most of the poaching and rustling that goes on is carried out by people born in Ireland.

As a non national ( I am not the only one to post here), I find attacks on this post us rather unpleasant and unfounded.

rabbit assassin

Traumadoc wrote: »

I find most of the poaching and rustling that goes on is carried out by people born in Ireland.

As a non national ( I am not the only one to post here), I find attacks on this post us rather unpleasant and unfounded.

well im sorry to say that the Irish people have never been caught doing this , to the best of my knowledge its only been foreigners been caught killing and taking animals in this manor. and if you read my reply i said i wasnt blaming it all on foreigners , but when I caught them red handed what do you expect me to say?

crackcrack30

Rabbit assin,...

On that night did u ask them their names and addresses?
Did you take the reg of the vehicle u blocked in?
Did u ask them if/for licences or gun club membership?
Did they agree to reimburse the farmer for the sheep?
Did the farmer agree to let them go without some satisfaction?
Did u laugh/slam the door on the guards face?/? not the way i would treat these guys..........cc30

Traumadoc

Where have they been caught?

Is this hersay or do you have a link?

The only people I have ever caught robbing me are thieving Irish (insert colloquial for ethnic minority)

A lot of the rustling seems to be carried out by irish farmers.

http://irishfarming.ie/2007/08/31/cattle-rustling-alive-and-well-in-ireland/

It is impossible for the goats in passage east to have been shot as it is a relatively populated area.

rabbit assassin

crackcrack30 wrote: »

Rabbit assin,...

On that night did u ask them their names and addresses?
Did you take the reg of the vehicle u blocked in?
Did u ask them if/for licences or gun club membership?
Did they agree to reimburse the farmer for the sheep?
Did the farmer agree to let them go without some satisfaction?
Did u laugh/slam the door on the guards face?/? not the way i would treat these guys..........cc30

Yes we have the reg of the vehicle, yes I asked if they were in the gun club (which I already knew they weren't as I am on the committee) No the farmer was not yet reimbursed for the sheep. The farmer did not want to let them , nor did I but we waited over an hour and the guards were called twice in that space of time. yes i did laugh at the gaurd and told him he was 8 hours too late , gave him the name of the farmer whos sheep were shot and closed the door. FORTUNATELY..... we have a great lead, there is not alot of foreigners with high calibre rifles and by enquiring at the local gun shop we were able to find out some information and the gaurds are currently acting on the information given to them by the local firearms dealer which they were able to source as he purchased ammunition recently. as far as I know it was a .223

landkeeper

whereabouts in the country did this happen
we have had some unexplained stuff going on with sheep

Spunk84

Traumadoc wrote: »

I find most of the poaching and rustling that goes on is carried out by people born in Ireland.

As a non national ( I am not the only one to post here), I find attacks on this post us rather unpleasant and unfounded.

Your probably right Irish people have been known to poach and rustle animals. In saying that non nationals which include an array of cultures grow up eating carp, pike, wild goats, children under 4 , fowl and other animals which Irish don't see as food! I have witnessed Liths/polish devast our duck, swan and fish population where I live, I know there nationality because I speak polish as well;) so I'm not just pointing fingers!

Birdnuts

landkeeper wrote: »

whereabouts in the country did this happen
we have had some unexplained stuff going on with sheep

Rustling and related criminality is nearly out of control in these parts:mad: - I'd say theres few rural areas safe from such activity ATM:(

Traumadoc

Yes there maybe non Irish involved in poaching, but pointing out that the alleged culprit spoke in a different way could have untoward effects.

What if the nonnational who recently purchased the ammunition had nothing to do with the alleged offence?

Will he get a visit from the Guards?
Will his firearm be removed for ballistics?

Will he now have a blot of his copy next time he applies for a firearm?

Will non nationals like me be refused a firearms license ?

landkeeper

but shooting domestic animals in a field is not poaching , it is breaching a whole pile of different laws ,
i hope the stupid pricks get what is coming to them , i don't care whether they are irish ,nigerian or polish :mad:
the truth remains that certain ethnic groups have decimated most of the coarse fishing in ireland
there is a carp fishing lake outside mullingar the balif ws hospitalised for quite a while after he approached a group of non nationals who were catching and cooking carp while they fished

Spunk84

Traumadoc yes this is what will happen, same as travellers, people from the north of Ireland and pretty much people known to the Garda as trouble makers will all have this done to them if there in the area of a crime or incident. You forget one thing, an Irish accent is unmistakable compared to a non nationals accent. So if you here a Irish accent you know it was somebody from Ireland, you here a foreign accent then you know where I'm going. As it has been said alot of lads who shoot and own their own land are coming across More foreign nationals doing it than Irish ones.

fodda

landkeeper wrote: »

but shooting domestic animals in a field is not poaching , it is breaching a whole pile of different laws ,
i hope the stupid pricks get what is coming to them , i don't care whether they are irish ,nigerian or polish :mad:
the truth remains that certain ethnic groups have decimated most of the coarse fishing in ireland
there is a carp fishing lake outside mullingar the balif ws hospitalised for quite a while after he approached a group of non nationals who were catching and cooking carp while they fished

Is it illegal to eat coarse fish then?

Spunk84

fodda wrote: »

Is it illegal to eat coarse fish then?

Yes, you can't take coarse fish of rivers and canals as far as I'm aware. Same way you need a licence to fish which they never have:mad:

fodda

Spunk84 wrote: »

Yes, you can't take coarse fish of rivers and canals as far as I'm aware. Same way you need a licence to fish which they never have:mad:

Didnt know that, i had a job once delivering carp and other fish to resturants, but that was in UK.

Carp are supposed to be nice and pike but very boney.

Birdnuts

fodda wrote: »

Didnt know that, i had a job once delivering carp and other fish to resturants, but that was in UK.

Carp are supposed to be nice and pike but very boney.

Perch appears to be popular with the non-nationals - I assume thats an accuired taste too

landkeeper

The Coarse Fish Bye Law No. 806 of the year 2006 provides for the following conservation measures
• a bag limit of 4 coarse fish in any one day,
• prohibits the killing of any coarse fish greater than 25 cm in length,
• prohibits the sale of any coarse fish in Ireland (excluding NI), this provision will not apply to fishing tackle dealers and fish bait suppliers who have been granted an exemption from their respective Regional Fisheries Boards.

Grizzly 45

Birdnuts wrote: »

Perch appears to be popular with the non-nationals - I assume thats an accuired taste too

And very nice it is too..Albeit a bit bony..So us "foreinerrs" generally make soup out of them.Ditto young pike,steamed they are delicious.
Reason alot of them see anything as fair game for dinner is.The natives wont/dont eat them,so our loss is their gain.. and we really have little or no proper enforcement of the game /conservation laws.

fodda

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And very nice it is too..Albeit a bit bony..So us "foreinerrs" generally make soup out of them.Ditto young pike,steamed they are delicious.
Reason alot of them see anything as fair game for dinner is.The natives wont/dont eat them,so our loss is their gain.. and we really have little or no proper enforcement of the game /conservation laws.

The natives hardly eat anything thats here for them Grizzly. So plenty for the ethnic minorities:D

bunny shooter

Pity 'they' don't eat crows & magpies :mad:

fodda

Any hairy scotsmen about? http://www.scottish-recipes.com/rook-pie.html

landkeeper

i worked with a lithuanian lad a proper carpenter and a good fisherman
we had several conversations about the actions of some of the other eastern block 'fishermen'
i was amazed to hear that fishing where they came from was very tightly policed and they were only allowed a few fish , he told me the reason they were so active here was that no-one stopped them and that they could basically do what they wanted so they go off fish and catch as much as possible and sell their catch
all the small lakes around here have been fished and netted to exhaustion
even some of the bigger lakes in cavan and monaghan are fecked now
it's a real shame as one of the things that could have brought cash into the country was the fishing as it did all through the 70s and 80s with lads from the uk flocking to the shannon system for the bream etc fishing
that's a thing of the past

Birdnuts

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And very nice it is too..Albeit a bit bony..So us "foreinerrs" generally make soup out of them.Ditto young pike,steamed they are delicious.
Reason alot of them see anything as fair game for dinner is.The natives wont/dont eat them,so our loss is their gain.. and we really have little or no proper enforcement of the game /conservation laws.

What ever about a Perch I'd be slow to eat a Carp unless I was sure where it came from - I get the impression they are the freshwater equivalent of a mullet in habits

Birdnuts

bunny shooter wrote: »

Pity 'they' don't eat crows & magpies :mad:

I reckon some of the Orientals would given whats for sale in their own food markets at home!!:eek:

marlin vs

It's well known by the locals who culled the goats and it's not the first time, it happened back in the 80s by a fella that got the nickname, the lonesome goatman.

B_Fanatic

'Dead or alive'?

Grizzly 45

Birdnuts wrote: »

What ever about a Perch I'd be slow to eat a Carp unless I was sure where it came from - I get the impression they are the freshwater equivalent of a mullet in habits

Not really,they live and hibernate in the river bottom in Winter,hence a muddy taste off the older ones,but by and large they are overgrown goldfish,and not trash feeders.Leave that to eels..Big thing in Germany carp ,they have stew ponds all over the place for them.

Rook pie isnt bad,but you do need the young ones,when they have got out of the nest and are out on the branches.Around Mid May,was when rook shooting was pouplar.Of course now you cant do this as even the vermin must be protected and in season.

Grizzly 45

Birdnuts wrote: »

I reckon some of the Orientals would given whats for sale in their own food markets at home!!:eek:

I reckon going by some of the "chicken" and duck I've had at my local takeaway,they arent botherd!:eek::D

Longranger

It's not just the coarse fishing that's fùckd. The river flowing through the town where I live used to be wedged with trout. Nowadays it's empty cos the eastern europeans in the town have been raping it 365 days a year. The closed season means nothing to these pricks and they have destroyed our river. I was walking along the river on new years day and there were 3 polish fellas whom I recognised,sitting by the riverbank,dutch gold in hand,rubbish all around them and a bag of maybe 30 trout all under 8 inches long! When I approached them and told them they were breaking the law I was told in no uncertain terms what they would do to me if I didn't fùck off and keep my mouth shut! I reported it to the guards and was ignored,the bailiff just said"shur,those boys don't speak english anyway! They won't know what I'm sayin!". If that was me fishing one day early i'd lose my gear and get a hefty fine! Next time I see someone doing what those gob****es were doing I won't be so polite. I want to get my 4 year-old son into angling and he seems keen but the bloody river is empty now,as are the 2 lakes on either end of it. I have also seen them on the foreshore near a few of my rabbit haunts,catching gulls! It's time the justice minister got his finger out and sees to it that the people coming into this country know and obey the law,and see that non-national law-breakers are punished the same way we are.

landkeeper

like thats gonna happen longranger
the sort your on about drive round in cars with no tax test or insurance pissed out of their minds and feck all gets done whats going to happen about a few fish or seagulls
there are alot of law abiding decent lads amongst them but there are some real dodgy feckers too

Tackleberry.

If you could send all non Irish home when they were caught breaking any law even speeding they would all fall in line pretty quick.

Grizzly 45

Folks ,they consider Ireland as paradise on Earth!:eek:.If you saw what sort of a shtehole they come from,you wouldnt be surprised.
Not to mind their cops and gamekeepers,customs officers and just about anyone in officaldom are armed..And have a tendency to break heads first then ask politely for a name and address.

Not to mind if you or your parents grew up under the gentle hand of being occupied and ruled more or less from Moscow for 50 years.Being arrested and or charged with somthing here or being jailed in Ireland,is no worse than a gentle telling off by a kindly headmaster!Compared to a few sound kicking and truncheon testing sessions down in a secret police cell with no chance of your "rights" or police brutality being worried about ,as you dont have any...,and a chance of 20 years hard labour in a gulag somwhere for not having your papers with you does tend to concentrate the mind wonderfully.

So being confronted by police with no guns and ever mindful of your rights and political correctedness[A term they are all to fammilar with,as it originated under the communist regimes:rolleyes:].Anything we do is no more concern to some of them than an angry duck quacking at them.

kieran1141

its the same all over, lough derg wiped out, swans gutted and skinned, setting night lines all over the place, farmer guy i know told me he went to check his land about 10 miles from him and rubbish lorry pulled in with a lad eating lunch at the gate,when he pulled up 2 lads in the field with a rope trying to round up a lamb, they told him they were just messing around, They were,nt irish, he met 3 of them up the mountain where i shoot deer and they had a crossbow and 3 shoulder bags had got a deer gutted it,skinned and cut up and put in the shoulder bags, they told him in broken english its ok its not sheep it was a deer. problem is he dont care who shoots the deer as long as they leave his sheep alone..BUT IF THAT WAS ME OR YOU IT WOULD BE A DIFFERANT STORY...

virminhunter

landkeeper wrote: »

but shooting domestic animals in a field is not poaching , it is breaching a whole pile of different laws ,
i hope the stupid pricks get what is coming to them , i don't care whether they are irish ,nigerian or polish :mad:
the truth remains that certain ethnic groups have decimated most of the coarse fishing in ireland
there is a carp fishing lake outside mullingar the balif ws hospitalised for quite a while after he approached a group of non nationals who were catching and cooking carp while they fished

garmoulstown(spelling:rolleyes:), was it? I remember going up there about 15years ago, every peg around the pond had a foreign national fishing they were openly killing carp in plain view and there was nothing anyone could do about it, the law at the time was you could take fish from a water once you killed it you couldn't take it away alive, it suited game fishing but wrecked course fishing I think and hope the law has been changed since but I'm unsure, I paid another visit to that pond about 5 years ago only to find a 10ft fence the whole way around it and no fishing signs in place.

Birdnuts

Longranger wrote: »

It's not just the coarse fishing that's fùckd. The river flowing through the town where I live used to be wedged with trout. Nowadays it's empty cos the eastern europeans in the town have been raping it 365 days a year. The closed season means nothing to these pricks and they have destroyed our river. I was walking along the river on new years day and there were 3 polish fellas whom I recognised,sitting by the riverbank,dutch gold in hand,rubbish all around them and a bag of maybe 30 trout all under 8 inches long! When I approached them and told them they were breaking the law I was told in no uncertain terms what they would do to me if I didn't fùck off and keep my mouth shut! I reported it to the guards and was ignored,the bailiff just said"shur,those boys don't speak english anyway! They won't know what I'm sayin!". If that was me fishing one day early i'd lose my gear and get a hefty fine! Next time I see someone doing what those gob****es were doing I won't be so polite. I want to get my 4 year-old son into angling and he seems keen but the bloody river is empty now,as are the 2 lakes on either end of it. I have also seen them on the foreshore near a few of my rabbit haunts,catching gulls! It's time the justice minister got his finger out and sees to it that the people coming into this country know and obey the law,and see that non-national law-breakers are punished the same way we are.

The Blessington Lakes are going the same way:(

Wolfe Tone

Delighted that this forum is not too "PC" and afraid to call it as it is when it comes to our foreign friends.

Another thing is that many Irish will see them breaking laws with regard to fishing etc, and start doing so themselves.