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* Ag Science Predictions / discussion / aftermath * (One thread please)

  • 15-06-2011 6:23pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 30


    Okay so after history not goin as well as id planned i really need to do well in ag to make up the points. Iv done a good project so if i pass the paper il get a C2 or C3 but would love a B iv got a week off before its on so iv some serious cramming to dosmile.gif has anyone got any tips on what i should focus on or predictions for what will come up or can you even predict for ag???any help please????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭._.


    Bit early for me to be thinking about Ag, I have Biology and Chem to take care of first :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Farmer poet


    get all the answers from examination.ie and go over all the years.... that really helped me..
    Go over soil, genetics, grass, animal figures ( birthweight, gestation lenght..), phylums...flushing and steaming up in sheep production.

    Can someone tell me what soil flocculation is? I never really covered it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭NotExactly


    ._. wrote: »
    Bit early for me to be thinking about Ag, I have Biology and Chem to take care of first :p

    Pfft, it's some peoples next exam. It's not all 'bout you y'know:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭._.


    NotExactly wrote: »
    Pfft, it's some peoples next exam. It's not all 'bout you y'know:rolleyes:

    In fairness, I did say "for me" :p (indicating that I'd be checking in with this thread later).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 fitz1011


    get all the answers from examination.ie and go over all the years.... that really helped me..
    Go over soil, genetics, grass, animal figures ( birthweight, gestation lenght..), phylums...flushing and steaming up in sheep production.

    Can someone tell me what soil flocculation is? I never really covered it.
    Thank you!!!according to my rapid revision flocculation is when ''clay particles come together into floccules or small clusters to improve soil structure''.Dont know how much use that is to you, dont really understand it myself either:P!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Farmer poet


    fitz1011 wrote: »
    Thank you!!!according to my rapid revision flocculation is when ''clay particles come together into floccules or small clusters to improve soil structure''.Dont know how much use that is to you, dont really understand it myself either:P!!

    Haha I think I have the same one! I'm kinda in an Ag mood so I'll talk about what I know...Might get your brain going!
    Functions of a leaf.... Food storage, gaseous exchange, photosyn, transpiration.
    Conditions for germination-- Water , oxygen , warmth..
    Seed structure --- Testa, Embryo, Endosperm.
    Stages of nutrition-- Ingestion, digestion, absorbtion, assimilation, egestion.
    Oxytocin- Milk let down , Prolactin - Milk production.
    Zoonoses -An animal disease that humans can contract.
    Milk is 87.5% water.
    Wire worms - Arthropoda, Lung worms - Nematoda, Earthworms - Annelida.
    Apples- Rosacaea .. Docks - polygonacaea..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Healium


    Make sure you have a general knowledge of everything. They always throw in a stinker of a question or two, sometimes not even on the syllabus. I also wouldn't leave out any section. Study every topic, even if you only have the most basic knowledge of some of them. Anything could come up in the short questions, and sometimes you'll get 2 topics within one of the later questions

    Can someone tell me what soil flocculation is? I never really covered it.
    Jeeeeeesus, you're really testing me here. Errr, I think it's something to do with ions and cations, and the soil particles forming lumps (crumbs) :confused: Sorry, I've drank all my Ag. Science knowledge away *shivers* It'll be in the experiments section, anyway. Surely you have a revision book? I like how rainbowtrout thanked the post, and didn't answer you :p No more free answers on here anymore, you've to buy the book :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Healium wrote: »
    Make sure you have a general knowledge of everything. They always throw in a stinker of a question or two, sometimes not even on the syllabus. I also wouldn't leave out any section. Study every topic, even if you only have the most basic knowledge of some of them. Anything could come up in the short questions, and sometimes you'll get 2 topics within one of the later questions


    Jeeeeeesus, you're really testing me here. Errr, I think it's something to do with ions and cations, and the soil particles forming lumps (crumbs) :confused: Sorry, I've drank all my Ag. Science knowledge away *shivers* It'll be in the experiments section, anyway. Surely you have a revision book? I like how rainbowtrout thanked the post, and didn't answer you :p No more free answers on here anymore, you've to buy the book :D

    I thanked it because it was good advice :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Healium wrote: »
    No more free answers on here anymore ...
    After being tormented by you for two years, hard to blame her! :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout



    Can someone tell me what soil flocculation is? I never really covered it.

    It's where small soil particles (clay and silt) cluster together to form larger particles or structures called floccules. They are normally attracted to each other due to their cations and the polarisation of water in the soil.

    They then trap larger particles which have no ions such as sand to form even larger particles.

    If you could imagine a chain of silt and clay particles attracted to each other, forming a ring around a sand particle holding it in place, that's a floccule.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 fitz1011


    If i leave out grassland and soil will i still be able to pass??? il still have the biology,crops,animals,genetics and phylum covered i just really dont have time to do grassland and soil too?????? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 frenchy1992


    Hey..
    I wouldnt leave anything else to be honest :

    Question 7 (my favourite :p )

    A. Definitions
    Gametes, Alleles, Haploid, Diploid, Heterozygous, homozygous, incomplete dominance, sex linkage, multiple alleles, mutation, Dominant, recessive, inbreeding, crossbreeding... Anything else you can think of !

    B. your crosses
    *Monohybrid cross
    *Dehybrid cross
    *Back cross
    *Incomplete dominance

    C. Applied Genetics
    *Embryo transplantation
    *Micro propagation
    *Performance ant progeny testing
    *Polyploidy
    *AI
    *Hybrids

    Question 2

    A. Factors affecting soil formation
    *Parent material
    *Climate
    *Topography
    *Living organisms
    *Time

    B.Soil Profiles
    Usually you have the choice. Podzol is the easiest !

    C.Soil Forming process
    *Calcification
    *Acidification
    *Gleisation

    D.Lime
    Adv. + Disadv. of liming

    E. Properties of Soil
    Physical properties (i.e. texture, water, structure etc..)
    Chemical properties (I.e. Cation exchange capacity..)
    Biological properties (i.e. earthworms .. )

    F. Experiment
    *pH
    *CEC
    *Soil capillarity
    *%water
    *Drainage

    Any else you can think of !

    For question 4 simply study your experiment copy.. an experiment takes about 15 mn to learn it's really no big deal

    These are not predictions but I just would not take the chance to leave out anything..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Farmer poet


    fitz1011 wrote: »
    If i leave out grassland and soil will i still be able to pass??? il still have the biology,crops,animals,genetics and phylum covered i just really dont have time to do grassland and soil too?????? :confused:

    Sure you'll pass, but I'd recommend grassland..One of the easier parts of the course I think!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Vodkat


    Hey..
    I wouldnt leave anything else to be honest :

    Question 7 (my favourite :p )

    A. Definitions
    Gametes, Alleles, Haploid, Diploid, Heterozygous, homozygous, incomplete dominance, sex linkage, multiple alleles, mutation, Dominant, recessive, inbreeding, crossbreeding... Anything else you can think of !

    B. your crosses
    *Monohybrid cross
    *Dehybrid cross
    *Back cross
    *Incomplete dominance

    C. Applied Genetics
    *Embryo transplantation
    *Micro propagation
    *Performance ant progeny testing
    *Polyploidy
    *AI
    *Hybrids

    Question 2

    A. Factors affecting soil formation
    *Parent material
    *Climate
    *Topography
    *Living organisms
    *Time

    B.Soil Profiles
    Usually you have the choice. Podzol is the easiest !.................

    I tend to opt for these two questions also. Q.2 is ALWAYS on soil, Q.7 ALWAYS genetics, Q.4 is the experiments and Q.9 is the scientific explainations, Q.1 is the mixed bag of questions and then i'm left to choose one nice one from whatever is left. I find it the easiest way to do the exam. I'm hoping the experiment questions are nice, theres just so many to learn.

    My teacher posted me out some extra notes last week on organic farming and a note to say she thinks there may be a question thrown in somewhere about it.
    Eg. Differences between fertilizers spread on a field with normal potatoes and one that is organic.
    Something along those lines. I wouldnt go into too much detail on it though.

    Have to say the AG Pre's this year were way to easy and I seem to have done less study since.

    MOO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    Grass and Soil are 2 of the easiest areas on the course IMO, grass is very easy and soil is a guaranteed question.

    If you use your head and learn what you know is coming up Ie Q2, 4 and 7 + Good marks in Q1/9 plus your best marks from another question you'll easily get a B.

    All I'm doing now at this stage is doing a different topic a day, doing the questions back to 2001 getting the answers from the marking schemes. Write out about 2-3 more points than what's asked for from the marking schemes that make sense and look like a proper answer, then on the day you'll remember at least 3-4 (they'll normally be looking for 3-4 points in a question). This will also help you with the Q1s and 9s. Know your soil experiments inside out as 1 comes up in Q2 every year and if you're lucky 1 will show up in the Q4 as well.

    If you use your head, it's a very easy paper to get marks in as you know to a certain extent what's coming up and if you do past questions, it's quite likely you'll have answered a very similar question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭galwayman17..


    hey guys im just wondering what i should be focusing on for the exam. Q2 and the gentics question are fine and ill be attempting the general 1st question and im learning the experiments.

    but what other areas should i study because i want to try and get a B2 or B3 in this subject and i think its very achievable. any thoughts will be really helpful!:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    Do the last 8 years of Q9s, they'll help your general knowledge of the course for 12/16 marks questions on other areas. Then just go through the papers and do any questions relating to livestock / tillage / grass + silage.

    If you do the previous 8 years of Q9s you'll be bound to see 3/4 of them pop up in other questions, they're very easy and pretty much general knowledge type questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Farmer poet


    Beef might be worth looking over...late maturing breeds, suckler beef production, EUROP...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭galwayman17..


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    Do the last 8 years of Q9s, they'll help your general knowledge of the course for 12/16 marks questions on other areas. Then just go through the papers and do any questions relating to livestock / tillage / grass + silage.

    If you do the previous 8 years of Q9s you'll be bound to see 3/4 of them pop up in other questions, they're very easy and pretty much general knowledge type questions.

    thanking you! thats a big help! :D
    Beef might be worth looking over...late maturing breeds, suckler beef production, EUROP...

    yeah man i'll do that! thanks for the reply so quick!;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 frenchy1992


    Any suggestions for the experiments (question 4) this year ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 fitz1011


    Eoin Jackson has his predictions for ag on this and he has the 16 most likely experiments could be handy.:)
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/*XLc-Project/129730288150


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    How many experiments is there to learn for the Exp Q?

    Is it the full 54 in the rapid revision?! Someone help!:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    I'd actually go with Jackson's predictions for Ag Science in this case. His predictions for History were awful and his predictions for Chemistry defy logic, but his predictions on experiments and what's coming up for Ag Science actually do make sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭galwayman17..


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    I'd actually go with Jackson's predictions for Ag Science in this case. His predictions for History were awful and his predictions for Chemistry defy logic, but his predictions on experiments and what's coming up for Ag Science actually do make sense.

    are his predictions up online? i dont see them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭galwayman17..


    guys just wondering with regard to answering the questions... do you give a nice paragraph about what your saying or do you just jot down the info and which would be better to do if both were satisfactory?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    guys just wondering with regard to answering the questions... do you give a nice paragraph about what your saying or do you just jot down the info and which would be better to do if both were satisfactory?

    I write my answer with all the necessary points and just enough related writing so it makes sense. Paragraphs don't really work for science subject IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 frenchy1992


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    I'd actually go with Jackson's predictions for Ag Science in this case. His predictions for History were awful and his predictions for Chemistry defy logic, but his predictions on experiments and what's coming up for Ag Science actually do make sense.

    I dont see them either ! Neither on his fb page nor on his youtube page :/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    Here's his predictions. Top 15 topics to cover and 16 experiments to cover.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?d8847dohqgp9j98


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    How many experiments is there to learn for the Exp Q?

    Is it the full 54 in the rapid revision?! Someone help!:eek:


    ^^ Really need to know as its a new subject for me this year !


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    ^^ Really need to know as its a new subject for me this year !

    You're supposed to know all 54, but if you cover the 16 in that link you'll more than likely get 2 that you know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    You're supposed to know all 54, but if you cover the 16 in that link you'll more than likely get 2 that you know.

    Great thanks very much:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭._.


    I know all 54.. Just sayin'...

    EDIT: Well, 56 really. There are two not in the Revise-Wise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 329 ✭✭!!!


    Will you only be asked about experiments in question 7?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37 frenchy1992


    ._. wrote: »
    I know all 54.. Just sayin'...

    EDIT: Well, 56 really. There are two not in the Revise-Wise.

    What's the point in that ? :confused::eek:

    Some of these 56 experiments you've learnt definitely won't come up on thursday !
    I think it's pointless to learn more than 20-25 exp as you can guess the one that are likely to come up.. but that's just my opininon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭._.


    Well there's no way to predict what'll come up in that section, and that's a section I absolutely need to get full marks in as I need an A in Ag and won't be learning anything about Pigs and don't know a hugh amount about animal science in general.
    So I sat down and learned them all for the mocks, only took a few hours..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭galwayman17..


    !!! wrote: »
    Will you only be asked about experiments in question 7?

    question 7 is based on genetics and if you have done biology then this question is very easy marks. if you havnt covered it in biology then its still not that hard.
    What's the point in that ? :confused::eek:

    Some of these 56 experiments you've learnt definitely won't come up on thursday !
    I think it's pointless to learn more than 20-25 exp as you can guess the one that are likely to come up.. but that's just my opininon.

    but learning those experiments will help in parts of other questions too. so i wouldnt regard it as pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Farmer poet


    Hope this years paper isn't too bad...last year was awkward :/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    Last years paper was fúcking horrible to say the least, I'm looking for the A1 but I'd be lucky to scrape a B with that paper. Problem is the major book most people are using (Green book) is seriously outdated and they went with a modern test. I think they'll go with the green book based test this year for the last time as most classes will probably have changed over to Rainbowtrouts new book for next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    Last years paper was fúcking horrible to say the least, I'm looking for the A1 but I'd be lucky to scrape a B with that paper. Problem is the major book most people are using (Green book) is seriously outdated and they went with a modern test. I think they'll go with the green book based test this year for the last time as most classes will probably have changed over to Rainbowtrouts new book for next year.

    New booooook? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    New booooook? :eek:

    Ya, myself and another teacher (westsa on here) have written a new ag science book. We thought it was about time. Details over on the main ag science thread :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭DanielGibbons


    Ya, myself and another teacher (westsa on here) have written a new ag science book. We thought it was about time. Details over on the main ag science thread :D

    Fair fecks to ye, I've been workin from my revisewise and Farmers Journal handouts for the past 2 years!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    Ya, myself and another teacher (westsa on here) have written a new ag science book. We thought it was about time. Details over on the main ag science thread :D

    Any last minute hints or tips from a teachers point of view?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    Any last minute hints or tips from a teachers point of view?

    I would just say that ag science is impossible to predict. I never predict anything for my classes.

    So when you get in there take your time and read the paper, it's not as long an exam to answer as other papers (in my opinion). Do not panic if you see something that you are not familiar with or don't quite understand or a question is asked in a way you weren't expecting. You may re-read it later on and in the meantime you may remember something that is relevant.

    When I did my own LC, I did Biology. There was a genetics question on it every year and it ALWAYS included a cross. I liked genetic crosses, so in my wisdom neglected a lot of the genetic theory on the course at the time because I think the structure of the question tended to be a few definitions and a cross and it was like that since the dawn of time. Figured I'd have one full question with full or close to full marks just from the cross. Day of the exam came. I opened the paper and went straight to the genetics question thinking 'I'll get this one over with quickly and have one in the bag in a few minutes and then I can get on with the rest of the paper' Read the question. No genetics cross. Read it again just to make sure. Nope, still not there. Ended up not doing the question at all because I hadn't learned the rest of the theory properly. It definitely threw me for the rest of the paper because I now had to find one more question out of the remaining ones as my 'definite' one could no longer be counted. Moral of the story: don't count on anything to definitely be asked and don't get thrown off by anything that isn't asked how you expected it to be.

    As has already been said, Q2 is always soil, Q7 is always genetics and Q4 is always experiments so it makes sense to go over those sections well.

    Q1 is worth 60 marks and while there are 10 parts to do 6, I would always advise my own class to do all 10 parts if possible. Don't leave blanks. You cannot get marks for a blank space. If you write something, it may be correct. Everything you write will be corrected and you will be awarded your best 6 out of the 10.

    For anyone choosing to do those four questions, that only leaves two more from the remaining ones, considering the remaining questions would normally cover livestock, plant and animal physiology, grassland and crops etc , you have a very good choice.

    I've usually found in my own classes that some just do not like genetics or soil and tend to leave out one or the other, but I would advise against leaving out both (studywise) as it limits your choice on the paper. Particularly when they are both guaranteed questions. You may choose not to answer either on the day, but you could be left kicking yourself if you don't study either and a question comes up that you could have answered if you had done the revision.


    When my own class did the mocks a couple of months back I warned them about leaving out those topics. So they went and they studied them, but a few said afterwards, 'I studied soil but I didn't like the question on the day, so I chose something else' but at least they had the choice to do that.



    Make sure you don't answer both options in Question 3 as two of your six questions. If you answer both question 3s, both will be corrected but only one of them can be counted in your total.

    You may choose to answer an extra question, nothing wrong with this but make sure you have answered your first six questions to the best of your ability first, rather than rushing through them to get an extra one done.

    Ag is the last exam for many students (unless you are in the Italian, Applied Maths, Religion category :D) and you may be tired and fed up of exams by the time you get to Thursday or you may feel that you should give one final push to get over the finishing line. Don't stay up half the night trying to cram those last facts in. Get a good night's rest so you will be fresh in the morning.

    Good luck!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 CokeyBear


    Cheers Rainbow, it really just seems to be about using your head at the end of the day. Right now my plan is do Q1, 2, 4, 7 and 9 no matter what's on them, might as well attempt them. After that, I'll do whatever I can out of 3, 5, 6 and 8. I have all of Wednesday off, so my plan is to do the last 5-6 years of Q1, 2, 7 and 9. Should be alright after that, I've done all I can do at this stage.

    Grand thing is, the questions always seem to repeat in one way or another, so hopefully it's just not like last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,397 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    Cheers Rainbow, it really just seems to be about using your head at the end of the day. Right now my plan is do Q1, 2, 4, 7 and 9 no matter what's on them, might as well attempt them. After that, I'll do whatever I can out of 3, 5, 6 and 8. I have all of Wednesday off, so my plan is to do the last 5-6 years of Q1, 2, 7 and 9. Should be alright after that, I've done all I can do at this stage.

    Grand thing is, the questions always seem to repeat in one way or another, so hopefully it's just not like last year.

    Well you sound like you are well prepared, so I'm sure you'll be fine on the day!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    Really nervous. I took this on new in september and our teacher made us learn the green book word for word.

    So confused....:(

    Dunno what to focus on!

    Genetic, experiments so far.......not good at soil though!!

    At the moment, I'm trying to learn dairy.....it taking ages!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Westsa


    CokeyBear wrote: »
    Problem is the major book most people are using (Green book) is seriously outdated and they went with a modern test. I think they'll go with the green book based test this year for the last time as most classes will probably have changed over to Rainbowtrouts new book for next year.

    The exam is NOT based on a book, the exam is based on a syllabus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭DanielGibbons


    While I entirely agree, I imagine Rainbowtrout has covered everything in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Westsa


    I would just say that ag science is impossible to predict. I never predict anything for my classes.

    So when you get in there take your time and read the paper, it's not as long an exam to answer as other papers (in my opinion). Do not panic if you see something that you are not familiar with or don't quite understand or a question is asked in a way you weren't expecting. You may re-read it later on and in the meantime you may remember something that is relevant.


    Sound advice rainbow trout


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭DanielGibbons


    Sorry westsa, just realised it was both of you :P


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